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Topic: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: SA7700
Posted 2012-12-07 12:37:02 and read 56947 times.

Dear members,

This is a continuation thread of part 11 which can be accessed by following link: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

Please feel free to add you thoughts and comments to the new thread and please continue to enjoy the website.

Sincerely,


SA7700

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-12-07 12:42:23 and read 57035 times.

Boeing is sending up ZA289 on another test flight today. I wonder if this one can be delivered by the end of next week?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE289

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: sweair
Posted 2012-12-07 12:47:22 and read 57004 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 1):

When did it have its B1? Must have been flawless?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-12-07 12:49:37 and read 57013 times.

Copied and pasted United787's last post about current 787 deliveries.

Please note again this is his work, not mine, i'm posting this for references purposes only. Please update the list if anything was missed.


DELIVERED TO DATE: 38 Aircraft to 8 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO NOVEMBER
NH-16; JL-6; AI-3; ET-3; LA-2; UA–2; QR-1

NOVEMBER DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 64 - A7-BCL – 11/06/2012- QR #2
L/N 61 - SP-LRA - 11/09/2012 - LO #1
L/N 44 - ET-AOP - 11/19/2012 - ET #4
L/N 57 - A7-BCA – 11/20/2012 - QR #3
L/N 50 - N20902 - 11/20/2012 - UA #3

NEXT IN LINE FOR DELIVERY Tentative - Subject to Change
L/N 80 - CC-BBC - xx/xx/2012 - LA #3
L/N 55 - N26905 – 12/xx/2012 - UA #4
L/N 62 - A7-BCK - 12/xx/2012 - QR #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 59 - JA817A - 12/xx/2012 - NH #17 Awaiting first flight
L/N 83 - JA818A - 12/xx/2012 - NH #18 Awaiting first flight
L/N 45 - N26901 – 12/xx/2012 – UA #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 82 - A7-BCC – 12/xx/2012 - QR #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 78 - SP-LRB – 1/xx/2013 - LO #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 52 - N26903 – 1/xx/2013 – UA #6 Awaiting first flight
L/N 86 – SP-LRC – 1/xx/2013 – LO #3 Awaiting first flight

In addition, there are three airlines that aren’t accepting deliveries of completed aircraft due to financing or political/certification issues: 4 for AI; 2 for CZ; & 2 for HU.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-12-07 12:51:59 and read 56986 times.

Quoting sweair (Reply 2):
When did it have its B1? Must have been flawless?

B-1 was done on 11/21/12.

ZA183 just copied clearance to Moses Lake for their B-1 flgiht test. Hopefully they'll be on the move and that'll be Boeing's 6 787 B-1 in one week.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE183

[Edited 2012-12-07 12:52:20]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2012-12-07 12:57:44 and read 56945 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 4):
ZA183 just copied clearance to Moses Lake for their B-1 flgiht test. Hopefully they'll be on the move and that'll be Boeing's 6 787 B-1 in one week.

How's the weather in Everett? Looking out my office window in downtown Seattle, ceilings look *very* low...

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-12-07 13:01:53 and read 56929 times.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 5):
How's the weather in Everett? Looking out my office window in downtown Seattle, ceilings look *very* low...

Looking at teh Everett web cam, it seems that there is some clearing tothe north of the airfield, ceilings are about 2200 ft so abovethe minimums needed for a B-1 flight.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: kaitak
Posted 2012-12-07 13:29:50 and read 56841 times.

Five a month isn't too bad; what is the combined total of production from both sites, Seattle and Charleston? How long does Boeing expect it to take before both sites reach optimum/maximum production?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-12-07 13:37:53 and read 56810 times.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 7):
Five a month isn't too bad; what is the combined total of production from both sites, Seattle and Charleston?

4 from Everett and 1 from Charleston.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 7):
How long does Boeing expect it to take before both sites reach optimum/maximum production?

Still on track for 10 by the end of next year - I believe they're planning 7 a month from Everett (main + surge) and 3 a month from Charleston.


The above figures would not include what they can run through EMC as they work on the existing stock.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-12-07 13:43:03 and read 56776 times.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 7):
Five a month isn't too bad; what is the combined total of production from both sites, Seattle and Charleston? How long does Boeing expect it to take before both sites reach optimum/maximum production?

Currently Everett is at 4/month and Charleston is at 1/month.

It is to go up to 7/month by middle of next year but I don't know the split. I am willing to bet that by mid-lae summer Everett will be at 5/month and Charleston will be at 2/month.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: United787
Posted 2012-12-07 14:04:00 and read 56714 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
Copied and pasted United787's last post about current 787 deliveries.

Please note again this is his work, not mine, i'm posting this for references purposes only. Please update the list if anything was missed.



Thanks PHX787... I was hoping the LA (L/N 80) aircraft would be delivered by now... but here is the updated list...I have taken some liberties in guessing December deliveries. For example, the LO #2 (L/N 78) I show as January since someone had stated LOT isn't expecting it until then...this could be ready this month. I was surprised that for UA, L/N 52 flew before L/N 45, so I switched those and others around to reflect their apparent progress based on their first flights...

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft in production, I recommend going to http://nyc787.blogspot.com/

DELIVERED TO DATE: 38 Aircraft to 8 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO DECEMBER
NH-16; JL-6; ET-4; AI-3; UA–3; QR-3; LA-2; LO-1

NO DELIVERIES IN DECEMBER TO DATE But a plethora on the horizon!          

NEXT IN LINE FOR DELIVERY Tentative - Subject to Change
L/N 80 - CC-BBC - 12/xx/2012 - LA #3
L/N 55 - N26905 – 12/xx/2012 - UA #4
L/N 62 - A7-BCK - 12/xx/2012 - QR #4
L/N 59 - JA817A - 12/xx/2012 - NH #17
L/N 52 - N26903 – 12/xx/2012 – UA #5
L/N 83 - JA818A - 12/xx/2012 - NH #18
L/N 82 - A7-BCC – 12/xx/2012 - QR #5
L/N 84 – JA829A – 12/xx/2012 – JL #7
L/N 78 - SP-LRB – 1/xx/2013 - LO #2
L/N 45 - N26901 – 1/xx/2013 – UA #6 Awaiting first flight
L/N 86 – SP-LRC – 1/xx/2013 – LO #3 Awaiting first flight

In addition, there are three airlines that aren’t accepting deliveries of completed aircraft due to financing or political/certification issues: 4 for AI; 2 for CZ; & 2 for HU.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-12-07 15:36:41 and read 56532 times.

Looks like Boeing delivered LAN's 3 787 today as it's flying out tonight:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/LAN1329

Boeing just confirmed to me that they delivered LAN's 3rd 787 today.

[Edited 2012-12-07 15:46:36]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: SCL767
Posted 2012-12-07 15:48:24 and read 56500 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 11):

Looks like Boeing delivered LAN's 3 787 today as it's flying out tonight:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/LAN1329

Fantastic! Looking forward to flying on CC-BBC soon!  

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-12-07 17:42:02 and read 56333 times.

I put up a second blog post regarding projected 787 delivery dates in December.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KELPkid
Posted 2012-12-07 18:06:43 and read 56280 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 11):
Boeing just confirmed to me that they delivered LAN's 3rd 787 today.

This one was sure a delayliner. Any word on what held up CC-BBC? If things had gone smoothly, it probably would have been out the door Nov. 30...

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: ual747-600
Posted 2012-12-07 20:24:26 and read 56111 times.

Looks like Boeing needs to deliver another Qatar 787 as LN57 ZA460 38319 A7-BCA Qatar Airways is on the way to Doha. Couldn't post the flightaware link as something is messed up on their site tonight..


QTR3787 B788 So California Logistics (KVCV) Doha Int'l (OTBD / DOH) Fri 06:31PM PST Sat 08:03PM AST 14:38

UAL747-600

[Edited 2012-12-07 20:44:03]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: SCL767
Posted 2012-12-07 20:32:49 and read 56080 times.

Quoting ual747-600 (Reply 15):
Looks like Boeing needs to deliver another Qatat 787 as LN57 ZA460 38319 A7-BCA Qatar Airways is on the way to Doha. Couldn't post the flightaware link as something is messed up on their site tonight..


QTR3787 B788 So California Logistics (KVCV) Doha Int'l (OTBD / DOH) Fri 06:31PM PST Sat 08:03PM AST 14:38

Here is the link:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR3787

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-12-08 05:17:39 and read 55228 times.

ZA462 will be the next one to deliver to Qatar Airways.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-12-08 08:38:53 and read 54244 times.

ZA460 spent about 2 weeks in VCV for the IFE work so if anymore '87s head there that's the max time that they would spend there.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2012-12-08 08:56:46 and read 54131 times.

Looks like LOT ZA271 (78) is scheduled for a C-1 later today.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE271/history

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-12-09 10:42:49 and read 52574 times.

Got infor that ZA271 (LN 78, SP-LRB) will have it's delivery around Jan. 4th) Won't be delivered this month.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2012-12-09 11:43:43 and read 52441 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 20):
Got infor that ZA271 (LN 78, SP-LRB) will have it's delivery around Jan. 4th) Won't be delivered this month.

If that's the delivery flight you're talking about the money could very well change hands this year.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-12-09 20:24:48 and read 51982 times.

Contractual delivery (money changing hands) of ZA271 not until January 2013.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2012-12-10 07:43:43 and read 51526 times.

Looks like UAL ZA285 (45) has a B-1 scheduled for today. Things go well and we may be able to add it to the year end total.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE285

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: United787
Posted 2012-12-10 08:59:16 and read 51347 times.

Ironic, Boeing can deliver more 787s than customers will take:

AI - Want them but can't afford them
CZ and HU - Want them but China won't let them have them yet
QR - Will only take one at time for IFE installation
LO - Looks like one will be ready soon but they are expecting it in January and may not want it early
UA - Was only expecting 5 this year and may not want the 6th early

If the projection was 35-42 787s this year (source: NYC777), it seems like there may have been a chance they could have hit 53!

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-12-10 08:59:56 and read 51760 times.

UAL has said in SEC filings that they are expecting to take delivery of 5 787s by the end of the year. They have 3 so far and I expect two more delivered by the end of the month and one more in January.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-12-10 13:11:20 and read 51358 times.

Weather looks terrible at Everett, doubt that ZA285 will fly today.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: JoeCanuck
Posted 2012-12-10 14:02:12 and read 51817 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 24):

Now that it's getting time for customers to lay out the big cash, they might not want to rush into things. It's refreshing to see that fewer holdups are caused by Boeing...but it could all come to a crashing halt if the SPEEA strike happens.


http://seattletimes.com/html/busines...ogy/2019857739_speeaboeingxml.html

Quote:
Boeing’s engineering union has begun making detailed preparations for a strike that could come as soon as February, the executive director of the union said Friday.

“I think there is a very high chance of a strike,” said Ray Goforth, executive director of the Society of Engineering Employees in Aerospace (SPEEA).


[Edited 2012-12-10 14:03:52]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2012-12-11 07:28:26 and read 51044 times.

LOT ZA271 (78) out on a C-2.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE271

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2012-12-11 10:52:24 and read 50672 times.

UAL ZA287 (52) and JAL ZA183 (84) away on their C-1's (?).

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE287

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE183

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2012-12-11 11:19:31 and read 50571 times.

We'll make that a B-2 on JAL.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KELPkid
Posted 2012-12-11 11:38:18 and read 50513 times.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 28):
LOT ZA271 (78) out on a C-2.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE271

If, as Suresh says, it definitely won't be delivered until after Jan. 1st, why would the customer be flying it around this early?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2012-12-11 12:01:24 and read 50419 times.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 31):
If, as Suresh says, it definitely won't be delivered until after Jan. 1st, why would the customer be flying it around this early?

Most likely the LOT crew wants to spend the holidays in Warsaw rather than Everett.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2012-12-11 12:13:23 and read 50355 times.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 31):
Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 28):LOT ZA271 (78) out on a C-2.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE271
If, as Suresh says, it definitely won't be delivered until after Jan. 1st, why would the customer be flying it around this early?

Can't say for sure, but this way everything can be completed except the money changing hands and all of the LOT personnel can go home for the holidays and not be here flying between Xmas and New Years. This way they just show up on January 3rd, pay the $$$$, get the keys and take to the sky.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-12-11 13:45:27 and read 50125 times.

I was listening to the ATC for BOE271 this morning as it left on the test flight. It wasn't a LOT crew at the controls. It was a Boeing crew.

[Edited 2012-12-11 13:51:08]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2012-12-11 14:12:49 and read 50049 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 34):
I was listening to the ATC for BOE271 this morning as it left on the test flight. It wasn't a LOT crew at the controls. It was a Boeing crew.

During a customer flight the Boeing captain sitting in the right seat makes all of the radio calls so I don't understand how you determined it was not a customer flight -- please explain. Also, some customer flights are manned by an all Boeing crew.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-12-12 15:34:31 and read 49112 times.

http://youtu.be/euGoiijBtV8
Anyone see this previously? JA656J
Doraemon Jet....was this one delivered in this livery or not?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-12-12 16:15:16 and read 49031 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 36):
Anyone see this previously? JA656J
Doraemon Jet....was this one delivered in this livery or not?

That's a 767-300ER, not a 787-8.  angel 

And no, she was not delivered in that livery.  Smile

[Edited 2012-12-12 16:17:01]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-12-12 18:57:52 and read 48711 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 37):
That's a 767-300ER, not a 787-8. angel

Oh wow my mistake.....loooooong morning with no sleep  

Ok back on topic- any more special liveries planned for 787s or are we pretty much done with those for the time being?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: flood
Posted 2012-12-13 06:04:08 and read 48205 times.

Came across this tweet this morning by Max K-J of Flightglobal:
"Qatar" very disappointed" with Boeing as 3rd #B787 diverted on del flight due to tech and is grounded"

Anyone know where it diverted to or what the issue was?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: petera380
Posted 2012-12-13 06:30:44 and read 48107 times.

Quoting flood (Reply 39):
Anyone know where it diverted to or what the issue was?

Reportedly the same issue that caused the UA diversion a coupleof weeks ago.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: flood
Posted 2012-12-13 06:44:39 and read 48060 times.

Quoting petera380 (Reply 40):
Reportedly the same issue that caused the UA diversion a coupleof weeks ago.

Thanks, I see there's already separate thread on the issue.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2012-12-13 07:50:20 and read 47943 times.

UAL ZA285 (45) scheduled for its B-1 again today if the wx doesn't keep them on the ground again.


http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE285



ANA ZA510 (59) and JAL ZA183 (84) scheduled for C-1's.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE510

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE183

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2012-12-13 08:01:54 and read 47927 times.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 42):
UAL ZA285 (45) scheduled for its B-1 again today if the wx doesn't keep them on the ground again.

That frame is snakebit. By my count this is the fourth attempt at a B-1, and it doesn't look any more promising today than it has the last three times they tried.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2012-12-13 08:21:50 and read 47809 times.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 43):

That frame is snakebit. By my count this is the fourth attempt at a B-1, and it doesn't look any more promising today than it has the last three times they tried.

Wx is good to go right now, they need to get airborne.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-12-13 08:52:46 and read 47719 times.

ZA235 is now in the air, take off around 1635Z, Tweeted by Matt Cawby.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2012-12-13 11:40:46 and read 47475 times.

Looks like the third C-1 of the day is airborne QTR ZA464 (82). That's 4 787's, 2 777's and 1 747 so far today--Xmas rush--busy, busy,busy!!!!


http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE464

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: United787
Posted 2012-12-13 12:05:16 and read 47390 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 45):
ZA235 is now in the air, take off around 1635Z, Tweeted by Matt Cawby.

I assume that you mean ZA285?

Aside from the AI, HU and CZ aircraft, this may be one of the last change and incorporation planes for a while. This and four other aircraft should be delivered in the next few weeks leaving only new builds ready to deliver.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-12-13 12:23:48 and read 47312 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 47):

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 45):
ZA235 is now in the air, take off around 1635Z, Tweeted by Matt Cawby.

I assume that you mean ZA285?

Yes I did, sorry for the typo!

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-13 12:58:00 and read 47264 times.

Two more deliveries for Qatar are expected on December 19th (ZA462 and ZA464).

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-1...with-same-fault-as-united-jet.html

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: sweair
Posted 2012-12-13 13:07:10 and read 47240 times.

Hercule Poirot   It´s scary how similar he looks, minus the mustache..

If they will take 2 more it cant be that much of a problem?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2012-12-14 13:19:48 and read 46457 times.

UAL ZA287 (52) up and down on its C-2 earlier and QTR ZA462 (82) out on its C-1.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE287

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE462

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2012-12-14 15:03:00 and read 46531 times.

UAL ZA289 (55) ? delivery flight later today.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL6857.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KELPkid
Posted 2012-12-14 17:17:27 and read 46299 times.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 52):
UAL ZA289 (55) ? delivery flight later today.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...6857.

Wow, they're even delivering it to a non-pre merger Contintental hub  

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: aeroblogger
Posted 2012-12-14 19:35:48 and read 46062 times.

Some good news for a change: AI's 4th delivery is slated for the end of the month.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-12-14 20:20:23 and read 45988 times.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 54):
Some good news for a change: AI's 4th delivery is slated for the end of the month.
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 49):
Two more deliveries for Qatar are expected on December 19th (ZA462 and ZA464).

Looks like two of the three Airlines That Shall Not Be Named are getting their delivery act together  
Quoting KELPkid (Reply 53):
Wow, they're even delivering it to a non-pre merger Contintental hub

Wonder if it's going into immediate service to IAH, DEN, or ORD....guessing game!

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-12-15 08:09:17 and read 45518 times.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 54):
Some good news for a change: AI's 4th delivery is slated for the end of the month.

Just one? there are 4 ready on the CHS flightline, another 2 that is in production and 5 that are undergoing change incorporation or will under go change incorporation over the next few months. I hope Boeing is charging AI a storage fee at least and I say that in all seriousness.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: ordramper98
Posted 2012-12-15 08:41:45 and read 45419 times.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 53):

This is the second 787 delivered to LAX, after the first two went to Houston.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-12-15 09:48:04 and read 45270 times.

Getting word that LOT's second 787 should be delivered around middle of next week with delivery towards the end of the week. That was fast but they did conduct 4 test flights in a short amount of time. This is all provisional due to the current turmoil at LOT.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: Aircellist
Posted 2012-12-15 11:19:10 and read 45086 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 58):
Getting word that LOT's second 787 should be delivered around middle of next week with delivery towards the end of the week.

I guess the word "flight" is missing from the second half of that sentence  

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: United787
Posted 2012-12-15 12:17:58 and read 44982 times.

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft in production, I recommend going to http://nyc787.blogspot.com/

DELIVERED TO DATE: 40 Aircraft to 8 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO DECEMBER
NH-16; JL-6; ET-4; AI-3; UA–3; QR-3; LA-2; LO-1

DECEMBER DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 80 - CC-BBC - 12/7/2012 - LA #3
L/N 55 - N26905 – 12/14/2012 - UA #4

NEXT IN LINE FOR DELIVERY Tentative - Subject to Change
L/N 62 - A7-BCK - 12/19/2012 - QR #4
L/N 82 - A7-BCC – 12/19/2012 - QR #5
L/N 59 - JA817A - 12/xx/2012 - NH #17
L/N 83 - JA818A - 12/xx/2012 - NH #18
L/N 52 - N26903 – 12/xx/2012 – UA #5
L/N 84 – JA829A – 12/xx/2012 – JL #7
L/N 78 - SP-LRB – xx/xx/2013 - LO #2
L/N 45 - N26901 – 1/xx/2013 – UA #6
L/N 86 – SP-LRC – 1/xx/2013 – LO #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 87 - SP-LRD – 1/xx/2013 – LO #4 Awaiting first flight

In addition, there are three airlines that aren’t accepting deliveries of completed aircraft due to financing or political/certification issues: 4 for AI; 3 for HU; & 2 for CZ.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-12-15 12:39:20 and read 44937 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 60):
In addition, there are three airlines that aren’t accepting deliveries of completed aircraft due to financing or political/certification issues: 4 for AI; 3 for HU; & 2 for CZ.

Ok I have a throbbing question which probably has been answered but I didn't catch up on-

Are these the a/c sitting on the PAE runway, along with those NH/JL planes? What's wrong with those aircraft? Will those be delivered?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: United787
Posted 2012-12-15 12:54:06 and read 44915 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 61):
Are these the a/c sitting on the PAE runway, along with those NH/JL planes? What's wrong with those aircraft? Will those be delivered?

I am not sure if this answers your questions but:

The 4 AI birds are at CHC
2 of the HU birds are at PAE (South Ramp)
1 of the HU birds is at CHC
The 2 CZ birds are at PAE but not on the runway (Flightline and South Ramp)

The planes on the runway are L/N 10-12, 14-15, 18-19, 26 & 28 were originally for LA, NH, AT and AI and are awaiting change incorporation. They will be delivered but may be to different airlines and won't be for a while.

Source: http://nyc787.blogspot.com/

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-12-15 13:18:15 and read 44845 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 62):
The planes on the runway are L/N 10-12, 14-15, 18-19, 26 & 28 were originally for LA, NH, AT and AI and are awaiting change incorporation. They will be delivered but may be to different airlines and won't be for a while.

Another stupid question- what does Change Incorporation entail?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-12-15 14:17:14 and read 44761 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 63):
what does Change Incorporation entail?

Those airframes were completed before Boeing received the Type Certificate for the 787, so any differences on those planes needs to be addressed to bring them in compliance with the Type Certificate. They will also replace any parts or systems affected by the long-term storage.

For example, Airplane 23 - ZA177 for Japan Airlines - spent eight months at San Antonio undergoing change incorporation. Per a blog post by Jon Ostrower, this included:

"...wholesale replacement of its environmental control system air-conditioning packs and modification of ducting and baffling in the aircraft's cabin, as well as motor and fan changes and related software.

Further, modifications were made to the aircraft's flight control system hardware and software, changing out the outboard ailerons, outboard and inboard flaps and flaperons, as well as making changes to the elevator and rudder systems.

The aircraft now features a new wiring configuration, along with the fully certified version of the updated electrical power distribution system that was changed after the November 2010 fire aboard test aircraft ZA002."

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2012-12-15 14:24:58 and read 44756 times.

Both ANA ZA510 (59) and QTR ZA462 (62) are out on C-2's today--should be easily ready before Xmas. Only ANA ZA512 (83) and UAL ZA285 (45) left to start customer flights.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: aklrno
Posted 2012-12-15 20:31:44 and read 44372 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 62):
I am not sure if this answers your questions but:

The 4 AI birds are at CHC
2 of the HU birds are at PAE (South Ramp)
1 of the HU birds is at CHC
The 2 CZ birds are at PAE but not on the runway (Flightline and South Ramp)

I'm on my way to New Zealand now. I'll check out those 787's, unless they are actually at CHS.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: BlueSky1976
Posted 2012-12-16 01:21:31 and read 44096 times.

I've got information that apparently the delivery flight crew is leaving for Seattle this Tuesday and that SP-LRB is expected to arrive at Warsaw on 20th of December. Which would indicate delivery is indeed being expedited from early January, which is great.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2012-12-16 11:33:44 and read 43538 times.

Looks like QTR ZA464 (82) will fly a C-2 later today.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2012-12-16 21:35:05 and read 43001 times.

With 2012 coming to an end, i thought i would open the debate on volume/customers for 2013.
Based on 5/month now, increasing to 7/month mid year and then 10/month at year + factoring in 789 test planes being built and a few deliveries from the EMC, we should be looking at 75-85 deliveries in 2013, up from ~45 in 2012.

The customer list looks like this based on data released by the various airlines:

All Nippon Airways - 11 (LN 97/101/107/110 + 7 others awaiting assembly)
Air India - 9 (LN 60/65 ready for delivery, LN 72 ready to fly, LN90/91 assembly, LN 30/32 EMC, LN 25/28 storage)
China Southern - 7 (LN 43 flight tests, LN 34 storage, LN 36 EMC, LN 93/95 assembly, LN 100/104 awaiting assembly)
LOT Polish - 6 (LN 86/87/88 ready to fly + 3 others awaiting assembly)
United Airlines - 5 (awaiting assembly)
Japan Airlines - 5 (LN 89 assembly, LN 98/105 + LN 20/21 EMC)
Qatar Airways - 5 (LN 99/103/109 + 2 others awaiting assembly)
TUI - 5 (LN 92/94/96 assembly, LN 106 + 1 other awaiting assembly) -> 4x Thomson + 1x Jetairfly
Hainan Airlines - 5 (LN 81/85 assembly, LN 73/76/79 storage)
ILFC - 4 (LN 102/112/115 + 1 other awaiting assembly) -> 2x Norwegian + 2x Aeromexico
British Airways - 4 (LN 108/111/114 + 1 other awaiting assembly)
Qantas - 3 (awaiting assembly) -> 3x Jetstar
LAN Airlines - 2 (LN 113 + 1 other awaiting assembly)
Ethiopian Airlines - 1 (LN 39 EMC)
Aeromexico - 1 (awaiting assembly) -> 3 total incl. 2 ILFC
Norwegian - 1 (awaiting assembly) -> 3 total incl. 2 ILFC

I know the numbers don't add up to 75-85 as some airline data is old and more importantly airlines are in continuous discussions with airbus re: delivery schedules. To get from the 74 identified to 75-85, we may see additional frames delivered to JAL, Hainan, China Southern, ILFC, and Air India. The other airline figures are pretty safe.

Cheers
A

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: starrion
Posted 2012-12-18 15:59:12 and read 41761 times.

In other news, according to All Things, one of the air india frames was pulled into the EMC...

Hopefully AI will have it's finances figured out before it is done with change incorporation...

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: Capt747ret
Posted 2012-12-18 18:47:36 and read 41457 times.

We have seen 4 of the AI frames flown in the past week or so. AI has 3 frames that are ready for delivery and now B is flying LN72 while moving another into EMC. So the Big question is: What's up?

My guess is that B has worked a deal to take AI’s 777-200’s in on trade for the 787’s. B and the USA need to move the AI backlog. With the Em Ex Bank working with all parties I can see this.

With all the AI frames being flown and more in the production line, something needs to give. This must be a huge embarrassment and hit on revenue for GOI, AI and B.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: aeroblogger
Posted 2012-12-18 19:13:36 and read 41396 times.

When is VT-ANN expected to be ready for delivery? It looks like that frame might be the next AI delivery.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-12-18 19:16:08 and read 41402 times.

Quoting SA7700 (Thread starter):

First, a happy 9 year joining day anniversary is an order for SA7700 

Second:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 72):
When is VT-ANN expected to be ready for delivery? It looks like that frame might be the next AI delivery.

Is this one of the ones still at CHS?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: aeroblogger
Posted 2012-12-18 19:30:48 and read 41346 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 73):
Is this one of the ones still at CHS?

I have no idea.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-12-18 19:43:30 and read 41342 times.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 72):
VT-ANN

Don't expect it to be delviered until early February at the earliest.

I have updated my 787 tables to reflect the firing order for LN 116 to LN 130 as well as some interesting analysis on the first 787-9 (LN126, ZB001). I have also put up a new blog post to go along with the updated tables.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KELPkid
Posted 2012-12-18 23:29:16 and read 41049 times.

Quoting starrion (Reply 70):
other news, according to All Things, one of the air india frames was pulled into the EMC...

Maybe we should start a countdown to PAE getting runway 11/29 back thread   

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-19 04:00:21 and read 40957 times.

Quoting Capt747ret (Reply 71):
We have seen 4 of the AI frames flown in the past week or so. AI has 3 frames that are ready for delivery and now B is flying LN72 while moving another into EMC. So the Big question is: What's up?

My guess is that B has worked a deal to take AI’s 777-200’s in on trade for the 787’s. B and the USA need to move the AI backlog. With the Em Ex Bank working with all parties I can see this.

With all the AI frames being flown and more in the production line, something needs to give. This must be a huge embarrassment and hit on revenue for GOI, AI and B.

An Air India spokesman said earlier that the company would receive a total of 7 787 aircraft in the fiscal year of 2012 (which ends on 31 March 2013); 5 of them were due for delivery in the year 2012. If that is still the case then we should see 2 more deliveries this year and 2 more by the end of March 2013.

Also, Air India should receive 7 more 787 aircraft in the fiscal year of 2013 (which ends in 2014). Rework on the early frames takes at least 6 months, that's why there are already 3 frames at the EMC.

So with that knowledge we can start sorting out the deliveries. A possibility is:

FY 2012 (1 April 2012 to 31 March 2013):
- LN54 / ZA238 / VT-ANJ (2012)
- LN60 / ZA239 / VT-ANK (2012)
- LN65 / ZA240 / VT-ANL (2013)
- LN72 / ZA241 / VT-ANM (2013)

FY 2013 (1 April 2013 to 31 March 2014):
- LN90 / ZA242 / VT-ANN (2013)
- LN91 / ZA243 / VT-ANO (2013)
- LN28 / ZA232 / VT-ANC (2013)
- LN30 / ZA234 / VT-ANE (2013)
- LN32 / ZA235 / VT-ANG (2013)
- LN25 ?? (2014 ??)
- LN26 ?? (2014 ??)

[Edited 2012-12-19 04:01:49]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: United787
Posted 2012-12-19 06:58:03 and read 40666 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 77):

I hate to be such a Debbie Downer... I know AI wants the planes but have they secured financing?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: BlueSky1976
Posted 2012-12-19 08:32:59 and read 40475 times.

SP-LRB is scheduled to depart for Warsaw tomorrow (20.12.2012) at 18:00 local time.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-12-19 08:43:25 and read 40437 times.

Let's hope the runaways are cleared by then.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: PA515
Posted 2012-12-19 09:08:06 and read 40365 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 75):
I have updated my 787 tables to reflect the firing order for LN 116 to LN 130 as well as some interesting analysis on the first 787-9 (LN126, ZB001). I have also put up a new blog post to go along with the updated tables.

The spreadsheet makes no reference to LN 126 going to Air New Zealand. Will the first 789 for Air New Zealand be one of the other test aircraft?

PA515

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: starrion
Posted 2012-12-19 09:45:30 and read 40237 times.

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 79):
SP-LRB is scheduled to depart for Warsaw tomorrow (20.12.2012) at 18:00 local time.

Does that mean that contractual delivery has already taken place?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2012-12-19 10:42:06 and read 40116 times.

The first 789 delivery to ANZ will be LN004. ZB 001--003 will be 3 test flight aircraft that MAY eventually be reassigned to customers should they still be seem fit post test flights. the first 789 delivery remains LN004 to ANZ.
Regards
A

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-12-19 10:55:15 and read 40080 times.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 83):
ZB 001--003 will be 3 test flight aircraft that MAY eventually be reassigned to customers should they still be seem fit post test flights.

I'm sure they have homes lined up for them.

Unlike the first three 787-8 test frames, these should be at spec (or better) and should have little to no change incorporation or re-work necessary.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: tdscanuck
Posted 2012-12-19 11:35:36 and read 39970 times.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 83):
ZB 001--003 will be 3 test flight aircraft that MAY eventually be reassigned to customers

They're already assigned to customers. As were ZA001-ZA006...they only ended up stuck with Boeing *after* the whole initial production mess. ZA002 was in ANA livery (and ZA003 originally came with a Northwest rudder) because that's where those aircraft were supposed to end up.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 83):
should they still be seem fit post test flights. the first 789 delivery remains LN004 to ANZ.

First delivery is never a flight test frame...refurb takes to long. That's the not the same thing as flight test aircraft not being assigned to customers. They normally are, they just deliver after a long delay.

Tom.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-19 11:41:07 and read 39916 times.

Removing all the test equipment takes a while, the 4th 787-9 should be the first one to get delivered.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: ER757
Posted 2012-12-19 12:00:10 and read 39860 times.

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 85):
ZA002 was in ANA livery

Hi Tom, I may be a little fuzzy on this, my memory ain't what it used to be when I had a lot less gray hair, but didn't ANA agree to that livery only as "advertising?" IIRC they were not actually going to take that specific plane.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-19 12:26:11 and read 39808 times.

Quoting ER757 (Reply 87):
Hi Tom, I may be a little fuzzy on this, my memory ain't what it used to be when I had a lot less gray hair, but didn't ANA agree to that livery only as "advertising?" IIRC they were not actually going to take that specific plane.

See http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...exclusive-ana-to-take-most-of.html

"Boeing also confirms that the first six test flight aircraft, once destined for customers ANA, Delta Air Lines and Royal Air Maroc are no longer assigned to specific airlines.

Adding that the company is confident it will be able to place the six refurbished flight test aircraft with customers.
"

But those plans have also changed http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...s-second-787-test-aircraft-367915/

"Boeing determined in August 2009 the first three 787s had no commercial value, and their costs would be recorded as research and development expense."

[Edited 2012-12-19 12:29:06]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: N14AZ
Posted 2012-12-19 12:33:40 and read 39774 times.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 69):
With 2012 coming to an end, i thought i would open the debate on volume/customers for 2013. [...] + factoring in 789 test planes being built

Waow, I wasn't aware that we will see the first 789 next year. What's the time schedule for the first prototype?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: tdscanuck
Posted 2012-12-19 12:49:26 and read 39723 times.

Quoting ER757 (Reply 87):
Hi Tom, I may be a little fuzzy on this, my memory ain't what it used to be when I had a lot less gray hair, but didn't ANA agree to that livery only as "advertising?"

As I understand it, that was the agreement reached after Boeing decided not to sell the aircraft. It was originally (many years ago) actually supposed to go to ANA. After Boeing decided (ANA decreed?) that ZA002 would not go to ANA they got permission to keep it in ANA livery for the duration of the test program.

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 89):
Waow, I wasn't aware that we will see the first 789 next year. What's the time schedule for the first prototype?

It's supposed to enter production in the spring and go into flight test in the fall:
http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/n...-9-ahead-of-schedule.html?page=all

Technically, ZB001 is a not a prototype. The only 787 that label would correctly apply to (and even that is debatable since it was retroactive) is ZA001.

Tom.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: ferpe
Posted 2012-12-19 13:55:05 and read 39557 times.

Boeing have now released a 787 ACAP 10-2012 which lists the OEWs and also gives a payload-range chart. In the end it show that the 12-2011 ACAP was correct for those that could count, MZFW-MSP give you OEW (for ACAPs  ). It was then 118t for a 224seat config, today it is 117.7t for a 242 seat config. For those that did not care to count back then there was a dream (pun intended  Wow! ) OEW of 111.5t  .

All the final data and the Payload-range chart here:

www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/tech_ops/read.main/310338/#46

Boeing shall be commended for finally stating the OEW, Airbus has stopped doing that since about a year. For those that now say that the A330-200 is then lighter at 116.7t for the GE variant I would say this was long time ago when the MTOW was lower, I think we are very close to 120t for a spec OEW for a 332 today. Anyway this is not the thread for a B vs A weight discussion, lets then start a new thread for that. Just wanted to announce that the real data is now available on the Boeing ACAP site:

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/787.html

[Edited 2012-12-19 13:56:10]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: klkla
Posted 2012-12-19 14:09:53 and read 39506 times.

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 90):
Quoting N14AZ (Reply 89):Waow, I wasn't aware that we will see the first 789 next year. What's the time schedule for the first prototype?
It's supposed to enter production in the spring and go into flight test in the fall

This should be interesting. Does this mean the 789 and 359 will be doing their test flights at the same time? Should be some interesting A vs. B threads this time next year.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: dynamicsguy
Posted 2012-12-19 19:34:51 and read 39084 times.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 83):
The first 789 delivery to ANZ will be LN004

Others have already chimed in about other aspects, but also note that the line numbers are shared between the 787 models, rather than starting from 1 and having a separate count for 787-8s and 787-9s. The first (and second and so on) 787-9 will have a line number which slots in among the production 787-8s.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: BlueSky1976
Posted 2012-12-19 20:01:47 and read 38992 times.

Quoting starrion (Reply 82):
Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 79):
SP-LRB is scheduled to depart for Warsaw tomorrow (20.12.2012) at 18:00 local time.

Does that mean that contractual delivery has already taken place?

As far as I understand, it's possible, though I do not have that information.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-20 00:16:28 and read 38785 times.

The Hainan 787 (B-2728) is back on the flightline.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/8290071724/in/photostream

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: aeroblogger
Posted 2012-12-20 07:52:37 and read 38316 times.

The next AI delivery is in front of CHS delivery center. The aircraft is expected to enter service on 3JAN

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-12-20 08:13:35 and read 38296 times.

Boeing delivered 787s to Qatar and Air India today.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-12-20 11:27:04 and read 37873 times.

Boeing has confirmed to me that they have delivered 787s to Qatar and LOT but hasn't confirmed Air India. There is flight plan filed for AI 170 from CHS to FRA leaving at 3pm.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AIC170

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: starrion
Posted 2012-12-20 11:31:56 and read 37846 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 98):
Boeing has confirmed to me that they have delivered 787s to Qatar and LOT but hasn't confirmed Air India. There is flight plan filed for AI 170 from CHS to FRA leaving at 3pm.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AIC170

Did Qatar take one or both? Four deliveries in two days would be a nice xmas present.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-12-20 12:18:16 and read 37666 times.

They took one. Three deliveries today including Air India.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-12-20 12:20:44 and read 37665 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 100):
Three deliveries today including Air India.

So that puts us at 40 (to date) for 2012?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: tarheelwings
Posted 2012-12-20 12:21:13 and read 37760 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 100):
They took one. Three deliveries today including Air India.

Can you confirm which line #s were taken?

Thanks.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-20 12:22:57 and read 37756 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 101):
So that puts us at 40 (to date) for 2012?

Correct.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-20 12:27:50 and read 37772 times.

Delivery flights:

Qatar PAE-VCV
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR999

Air India CHS-FRA
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AIC170

[Edited 2012-12-20 12:29:14]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-20 12:34:02 and read 37728 times.

The delivered Air India bird seems to be LN60 / ZA239 / VT-ANK.

http://twitter.com/Kearney_Brendan/status/281857790115467264

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-12-20 12:34:44 and read 37740 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 101):
So that puts us at 40 (to date) for 2012?

Incredible! Of course many of these airframes were completed and ready to be delivered prior to 2012, right?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-12-20 12:39:05 and read 37718 times.

The Air India is ZA239. LOT is ZA271. I'm still trying to figure out which was delivered to Qatar but I suspect that it's ZA462.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-12-20 12:46:41 and read 37672 times.

Boeing just confirmed to me that they delivered a 787 each to ANA and Japan Airlines today.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-12-20 12:46:51 and read 37672 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 103):
Quoting Stitch (Reply 101):
So that puts us at 40 (to date) for 2012?

Correct.

Great! Nice to see the 787 deliveries coming along nicely.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-12-20 12:56:38 and read 37629 times.

Boeing will have delivered 5 787s today, 7 in December and 42 in 2012 thus far. I don't think they're done for the month.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2012-12-20 13:07:07 and read 37549 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 110):
Boeing will have delivered 5 787s today, 7 in December and 42 in 2012 thus far. I don't think they're done for the month.

2 UAL, 1 ANA, 1 QTR to go unless something unexpected pops up to add to the total.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-20 13:12:30 and read 37522 times.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 111):
2 UAL, 1 ANA, 1 QTR to go unless something unexpected pops up to add to the total.

UA would receive 5 787 aircraft in 2012 and they have already 4 of them. The 6th one (ZA285) is for next year.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-12-20 13:25:52 and read 37451 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 112):

That's correct, UAL stated in their regulatory filings that they take 5 787s by the end of the year.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: United787
Posted 2012-12-20 13:47:02 and read 37370 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 109):
Boeing will have delivered 5 787s today, 7 in December and 42 in 2012 thus far. I don't think they're done for the month.

My head is spinning! Merry Christmas Boeing!

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 111):
2 UAL, 1 ANA, 1 QTR to go unless something unexpected pops up to add to the total.

I know it was reported here that QR would be taking two at this time. Given that they only delivered one today and their is a clear pattern of them taking only one at time so they can send them down to VCV for IFE work etc., I am guessing that L/N 82 won't be delivered until mid January, IMHO.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: aeroblogger
Posted 2012-12-20 13:49:06 and read 37348 times.

VT-ANK was delivered today. VT-ANL will be taken early next month.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2012-12-20 14:32:17 and read 37180 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 112):
UA would receive 5 787 aircraft in 2012 and they have already 4 of them. The 6th one (ZA285) is for next year
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 113):
That's correct, UAL stated in their regulatory filings that they take 5 787s by the end of the year.
Quoting United787 (Reply 114):
I know it was reported here that QR would be taking two at this time. Given that they only delivered one today and their is a clear pattern of them taking only one at time so they can send them down to VCV for IFE work etc., I am guessing that L/N 82 won't be delivered until mid January, IMHO.

Both the airplanes have completed their customer flights (+/-) and I'm not so sure "regulatory filings" or when VCV will be available for mod work will trump Boeing's desire to get the cash this year. There's plenty of parking space at VCV. We'll see.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-12-20 14:41:10 and read 37156 times.

Ok so make that 6 as Boeing delivered a 787 to United

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: starrion
Posted 2012-12-20 15:06:38 and read 37079 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 117):
Ok so make that 6 as Boeing delivered a 787 to United

Now they're just showing off. The Boeing lawyers are going to have a critical case of writer's cramp.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: FriendlySkies
Posted 2012-12-20 15:28:28 and read 36975 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 117):
Ok so make that 6 as Boeing delivered a 787 to United


Does anyone know how many UA will take next year? I think they will have 5 left in the pmCO order for 11 788, I'd imagine they may take all of those (plus 901) next year and start taking -9's in 2014?

[Edited 2012-12-20 15:33:40]

[Edited 2012-12-20 15:34:01]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KELPkid
Posted 2012-12-20 16:13:03 and read 36867 times.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 115):
VT-ANK was delivered today. VT-ANL will be taken early next month.

Why was poor VT-ANJ (who was ready earlier than ANK) passed up?  

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: aeroblogger
Posted 2012-12-20 16:45:36 and read 36826 times.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 120):
Why was poor VT-ANJ (who was ready earlier than ANK) passed up?

I'm not sure...

I'd speculate that since the early build CHS frames have been having so many issues, AI wanted to take a later frame which has more fixes in place.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: dynamicsguy
Posted 2012-12-20 17:21:17 and read 36761 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 110):
Boeing will have delivered 5 787s today

@BoeingAirplanes tweeted:

Quote:
The 787 makes history today with 6 deliveries in less than 14 hours. Congrats to our teams in Everett & SC! #Boeing #AvGeek

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: WarpSpeed
Posted 2012-12-20 17:40:40 and read 36688 times.

Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 122):
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 110):
Boeing will have delivered 5 787s today

@BoeingAirplanes tweeted:

Quote:
The 787 makes history today with 6 deliveries in less than 14 hours. Congrats to our teams in Everett & SC! #Boeing #AvGeek

A Boeing Merry Christmas to all!      

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: ZKOKQ
Posted 2012-12-20 17:48:58 and read 36684 times.

Wow. Thats unbelievable. to deliver 6 planes in 14hrs is great news!

Lets hope the ramp up next year is smooth and we start seeing more of these great aircraft across the worlds airports!

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: Dan23
Posted 2012-12-20 17:52:20 and read 36685 times.

Very impressive days work by the delivery team. The bank balance will have got a very nice boost.

43 for the year (so far) is a good result after what was a slow start to the year. Is the delivery outlook for 2013 still expected to be in the order of 70-80 frames?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: JoeCanuck
Posted 2012-12-20 18:06:38 and read 36616 times.

Quoting Dan23 (Reply 125):
Is the delivery outlook for 2013 still expected to be in the order of 70-80 frames?

Deliveries, (or at least production), could take a hit if Boeing and SPEEA can't agree on a contract.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: ZKOKQ
Posted 2012-12-20 18:25:01 and read 36777 times.

What was this years plan?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: dynamicsguy
Posted 2012-12-20 18:36:54 and read 36776 times.

Quoting ZKOKQ (Reply 127):
What was this years plan?

The guidance was between 70 and 85 deliveries of 787s and 747-8s combined, with approximately half of each. A lot of people have interpreted this as 35-42 787s, but a look at the numbers shows that even if every 747-8 produced up to the the end of the year was delivered then that wouldn't have made 42 747-8s. Therefore I believe the range for 787s was really closer to 40-52.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-12-20 18:39:30 and read 36767 times.

Wow 6 deliveries in 24 hours.....I remember when Boeing was struggling to get 6 of them delivered within a period of 2 months   

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: JoeCanuck
Posted 2012-12-20 18:58:34 and read 36668 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 129):

Isn't it refreshing that 787 deliveries are getting delivered with what is becoming almost boring regularity?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: Aircellist
Posted 2012-12-20 20:46:58 and read 36413 times.

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 130):
Isn't it refreshing that 787 deliveries are getting delivered with what is becoming almost boring regularity?

You call 6 deliveries in 14 hours "boring regularity?   

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: United787
Posted 2012-12-20 20:59:03 and read 36451 times.

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft in production, I recommend going to http://nyc787.blogspot.com/

DELIVERED TO DATE: 46 Aircraft to 8 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO DECEMBER
NH-16; JL-6; ET-4; AI-3; UA–3; QR-3; LA-2; LO-1

DECEMBER DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 80 - CC-BBC - 12/7/2012 - LA #3
L/N 55 - N26905 – 12/14/2012 - UA #4
L/N 78 - SP-LRB – 12/20/2012 - LO #2
L/N 62 - A7-BCK - 12/20/2012 - QR #4
L/N 59 - JA817A - 12/20/2012 - NH #17
L/N 84 – JA829J – 12/20/2012 – JL #7
L/N 60 - VT-ANK – 12/20/2012 - AI #4
L/N 52 - N26903 – 12/20/2012 – UA #5

NEXT IN LINE FOR DELIVERY Tentative - Subject to Change
L/N 82 - A7-BCC – 12/xx/2012 - QR #5
L/N 83 - JA818A - 12/xx/2012 - NH #18
L/N 45 - N26901 – 1/xx/2013 – UA #6
L/N 86 – SP-LRC – 1/xx/2013 – LO #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 87 - SP-LRD – 1/xx/2013 – LO #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 88 - SP-LRE – 1/xx/2013 – LO #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 89 – JA830J – 1/xx/2013 – JL #8 Awaiting first flight

In addition, there are three airlines that aren’t accepting deliveries of completed aircraft due to financing or political/certification issues: 3 for AI; 3 for HU; & 2 for CZ.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: JoeCanuck
Posted 2012-12-20 21:10:36 and read 36343 times.

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 131):

You call 6 deliveries in 14 hours "boring regularity?

Hopefully, soon it will be.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2012-12-21 07:52:20 and read 35733 times.

Sigh. Aviation Week is reporting that CAAC will likely not issue a 787 type certificate until March.

http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....l/avd_12_18_2012_p05-03-529596.xml

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: ER757
Posted 2012-12-21 09:45:40 and read 35359 times.

Quoting ZKOKQ (Reply 124):
Wow. Thats unbelievable. to deliver 6 planes in 14hrs is great news!

And to six different airlines to boot. Not bad, I'd say.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-12-21 11:26:14 and read 35190 times.

Boeing is not done with deliveries, another 787 for Qatar scheduled to leave for VCV tonight

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR998

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: JoeCanuck
Posted 2012-12-21 11:38:38 and read 35143 times.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 134):

China must be really cheesed off about something. I wonder what particular political wrangling is going on concerning this.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2012-12-21 11:52:05 and read 35084 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 114):
I know it was reported here that QR would be taking two at this time. Given that they only delivered one today and their is a clear pattern of them taking only one at time so they can send them down to VCV for IFE work etc., I am guessing that L/N 82 won't be delivered until mid January, IMHO.
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 113):
That's correct, UAL stated in their regulatory filings that they take 5 787s by the end of the year
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 136):
Boeing is not done with deliveries, another 787 for Qatar scheduled to leave for VCV tonight

"Money talks (especially at the end of year/half/quarter as far as Boeing is concerned) -- you know the rest.

The fact that QTR already had one in mod didn't stop the second delivery and I don't think the regulatory filings will stop UAL from taking 6 this year.

ANA ZA512 appears to be out on an engineering flight today which may push its delivery to next year.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: United787
Posted 2012-12-21 11:59:19 and read 35079 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 136):
Boeing is not done with deliveries, another 787 for Qatar scheduled to leave for VCV tonight
Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 138):
"Money talks (especially at the end of year/half/quarter as far as Boeing is concerned) -- you know the rest.

The fact that QTR already had one in mod didn't stop the second delivery and I don't think the regulatory filings will stop UAL from taking 6 this year.

I happily stand corrected! Maybe AI will even scrape up some more cash and take 3 more this year...

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-12-21 12:02:10 and read 35099 times.

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 137):
China must be really cheesed off about something. I wonder what particular political wrangling is going on concerning this.

And yet, if they just approved the purchase of 30 777s....

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KELPkid
Posted 2012-12-21 12:52:19 and read 34935 times.

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 137):
China must be really cheesed off about something. I wonder what particular political wrangling is going on concerning this.



What the...?

Dunno, but if they're replacing less fuel effecient aircraft, think of all the fuel China could be saving as a country by replacing them with 787's...   

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: JoeCanuck
Posted 2012-12-21 13:12:19 and read 34857 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 140):
And yet, if they just approved the purchase of 30 777s....

True...that just seems to muddy the waters more.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-22 10:43:23 and read 33960 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 95):
The Hainan 787 (B-2728) is back on the flightline.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvo...tream

The other Hainan bird (LN79 / ZA432) is now also back on the flightline.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/8296769227/in/photostream

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: gigneil
Posted 2012-12-22 21:17:12 and read 33351 times.

I apologize if this isn't the appropriate thread, but I am interested in hearing more about the 787-9 schedule... both the first example to test as well as NZ and UA's planes.

Also can anyone update us on the schedule for the sUA orders? After the 11 sCO orders, when is the next 787-8 due?

NS

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: SonomaFlyer
Posted 2012-12-22 21:26:57 and read 33364 times.

The 789 will be assembled this winter/spring with its first flight in the 3d quarter this year. NZ is the launch customer.

IIRC, after the first 11 788s are delivered to UA, their next set won't be delivered till later in 2014. They will be taking a lot of 789s and they should be among the first airlines to get the 789.

[Edited 2012-12-22 21:35:57]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: SCL767
Posted 2012-12-22 21:42:33 and read 33316 times.

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 145):
They will be taking a lot of 789s and they should be among the first airlines to get the 789.

LAN Airlines expects to be the first carrier in the Americas to take delivery of the B-787-9. Just as LAN Airlines was the first carrier in the Americas to take delivery of the B-787-8.  

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-23 01:29:15 and read 33133 times.

And there is more good news: LN34 / ZA380 / B-2725 is now also back on the flightline. None of the completed Chinese birds at PAE are in storage anymore.

http://paineairport.com/kpae5778.htm

[Edited 2012-12-23 01:30:06]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: kaitak
Posted 2012-12-23 02:27:02 and read 33086 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 147):
nd there is more good news: LN34 / ZA380 / B-2725 is now also back on the flightline. None of the completed Chinese birds at PAE are in storage anymore.

http://paineairport.com/kpae5778.htm

Good news; so the issues preventing delivery of the Chinese 787s have now been resolved; when can we expect the first delivery to a Chinese carrier?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: rotating14
Posted 2012-12-23 03:38:43 and read 32958 times.

Correct me if I'm wrong but did Boeing deliver 3 more 787's yesterday?

http://boeing-test-flights.blogspot.com/?m=1

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: sweair
Posted 2012-12-23 04:35:11 and read 32887 times.

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 149):

They delivered 6 frames 12-20-2012 and one more for QR 21-12-2012, the ones you saw fly yesterday were delivered some days before fly out.

B delivered 7 frames, 6 one day and 1 more the following day, a total of 9 frames for December.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: DCMTL
Posted 2012-12-23 08:26:12 and read 32572 times.

Does anyone have an update on the frames in Change Incorporation? Are any of these expected to be ready for flight testing in the next month?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: SonomaFlyer
Posted 2012-12-23 08:43:26 and read 32886 times.

I'd expect the Chinese deliveries to take place in the month of January. They just need to complete their Boeing and customer flights and they'll be good to go. Each already completed change incorporation this year.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-12-23 08:45:35 and read 32903 times.

Quoting DCMTL (Reply 151):
Does anyone have an update on the frames in Change Incorporation?

Per All Things 787, the following frames are in the EMC so they should all be working towards delivery in 2013:

LN17 - Royal Air Maroc
LN20 - Japan Airlines
LN21 - Japan Airlines
LN28 - Air India
LN30 - Air India
LN32 - Air India
LN36 - China Southern Airlines
LN39 - Ethiopian Airlines

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: DCMTL
Posted 2012-12-23 09:01:03 and read 32840 times.

LN21 and LN39 both have Engines attached (per All Things 787) and have for some time. Does that mean they are almost complete? Will they be finished in January?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: kanban
Posted 2012-12-23 10:20:07 and read 32656 times.

Thinking ahead to the -9, would it be appropriate to start a "787-9 mfg/test" thread as a stand alone, or would it be too confusing?

personally I like threads that have a clear structure/purpose and would favor a new thread.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: sweair
Posted 2012-12-23 10:47:34 and read 32594 times.

How much will the thrust grow for the 787-9 compared to the 8? As PIP2 added booster stages to the current engine for more thrust?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-12-23 10:48:13 and read 32592 times.

Quoting kanban (Reply 155):
Thinking ahead to the -9, would it be appropriate to start a "787-9 mfg/test" thread as a stand alone, or would it be too confusing?

Have they any work completed on the test frame anyway?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: sweair
Posted 2012-12-23 10:50:27 and read 32601 times.

LN126 is the first 9 frame, it will probably enter FAL around June?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2012-12-23 18:28:53 and read 32185 times.

Quoting DCMTL (Reply 154):

LN 21 is scheduled for delivery in Feb 2013.
LN 39 by 30-June-2013 (without any more precise information).

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-12-24 14:07:30 and read 31455 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 153):
LN17 - Royal Air Maroc
LN20 - Japan Airlines
LN21 - Japan Airlines
LN28 - Air India
LN30 - Air India
LN32 - Air India
LN36 - China Southern Airlines
LN39 - Ethiopian Airlines

When LN 17 is delivered next year it mostly likely won't be to RAM but to another customer who will obviously get a nice discount.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-12-24 15:18:11 and read 31361 times.

Quoting sweair (Reply 156):
How much will the thrust grow for the 787-9 compared to the 8?

Baseline thrust for the 787-8 is 64,000 pounds and for the 787-9, it is 75,000 pounds. The top thrust I am aware of is 77,826 pounds for the Trent 1000-Z.

However, you can have higher-powered engines on the 787-8 if you need better field performance.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2012-12-25 00:35:04 and read 30886 times.

LN 17 most probably to end up with Transaero but more likely delivered in Q1-2014 than in 2013.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-27 02:07:13 and read 29842 times.

A peak on the surge line:
- position 3/4: LN90 / ZA242 (Air India)
- position 2: LN94 / ZA318 (first for Thomson)
- position 1: LN97 / ZA513 (ANA)

http://paineairport.com/kpae5779.htm

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: BlueSky1976
Posted 2012-12-27 03:09:52 and read 29723 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 132):
L/N 86 – SP-LRC – 1/xx/2013 – LO #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 87 - SP-LRD – 1/xx/2013 – LO #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 88 - SP-LRE – 1/xx/2013 – LO #5 Awaiting first flight

Does this mean that next 787s due in 2013 for Lot Polish Airlines will be delivered in January? Interesting...

[Edited 2012-12-27 03:22:37]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2012-12-27 03:47:12 and read 29639 times.

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 164):

LOT was saying SP-LRC in Late-Jan, SP-LRD in Early-Feb and SP-LRE in Early Mar as recently as last month in terms of delivery timetable for the next three frames. i reckon SP-LRE will be delivered sooner than that, mid-Feb most likely.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-12-27 08:31:08 and read 29236 times.

A peak on the surge line:
- position 3/4: LN90 / ZA242 (Air India)
- position 2: LN94 / ZA318 (first for Thomson)
- position 1: LN97 / ZA513 (ANA)

http://paineairport.com/kpae5779.htm

Actually ZA318, LN 94 isn't the first 787 for Thomson it is ZA317, LN 92 which is currently in 40-26 which is Thomson's 1st 787

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: starrion
Posted 2012-12-27 09:06:03 and read 29103 times.

Given that the remaining frames have (tens of) thousands of jobs each, how many of the 20 or so change incorporation aircraft will deliver in 2013?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-27 11:04:49 and read 28849 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 166):
Actually ZA318, LN 94 isn't the first 787 for Thomson it is ZA317, LN 92 which is currently in 40-26 which is Thomson's 1st 787

You are right, I need my glasses.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: SonomaFlyer
Posted 2012-12-27 11:16:45 and read 28820 times.

ZA 285 (L/N 45) for UA is scheduled for delivery and ferry flight from PAE to LAX today, Dec 27th per United/Cont. Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 14 (by LipeGIG Dec 10 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Post 65. This is UA a/c #6. Their fifth delivery is scheduled to ferry from LAX to IAH today.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-27 11:51:46 and read 28763 times.

Quoting starrion (Reply 167):
Given that the remaining frames have (tens of) thousands of jobs each, how many of the 20 or so change incorporation aircraft will deliver in 2013?

About 12 of those frames should be deliverable next year. Let's have a look on the list.

- There are 5 pre-LN66 frames ready (ready = finished work at the EMC):
LN34: China Southern
LN43: China Southern
LN45: United Airlines
LN54: Air India
LN65: Air India

- There are 8 frames at the EMC which are very likely to roll out in 2013:
LN17: new customer ?? (outside)
LN20: Japan Airlines (inside)
LN21: Japan Airlines (inside)
LN28: Air India (outside)
LN30: Air India (inside)
LN32: Air India (inside)
LN36: China Southern (outside)
LN39: Ethiopian Airlines (inside)

- There are 12 frames left in storage:
LN10 - LN16
LN18 - LN19
LN22, LN25, LN26

The 5 that are ready should be delivered next year, no question mark here. Of the 8 at the EMC, 7 should be deliverable in 2013. I have my doubts on LN17, she won't enter a hangar before LN36 and LN28 I guess plus it will need about 8 months of rework and another 2 months for painting and flight testing.

The EMC should be able to deliver another 8 frames in 2014, these frames probably will be LN26, LN25, LN22, LN19, LN18, LN17, LN16 and LN15. The remaining 5 frames (LN14, LN13, LN12, LN11 and LN10) should be ready in the first half of 2015.

So we are looking at about 12 pre-LN66 frames for next year. Maybe 1 or 2 more, I wouldn't be surprised if Boeing can complete LN26 and LN25 too. Time will tell.

[Edited 2012-12-27 11:53:56]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: United787
Posted 2012-12-27 12:00:14 and read 28733 times.

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 169):
ZA 285 (L/N 45) for UA is scheduled for delivery and ferry flight from PAE to LAX today, Dec 27th per United/Cont. Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 14 (by LipeGIG Dec 10 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Post 65. This is UA a/c #6. Their fifth delivery is scheduled to ferry from LAX to IAH today.

Nice to see that UA accepted delivery of their 6th earlier than expected! What does UA do with the aircraft at LAX? N27903 (L/N 52 - UA#5) spent a week there!

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KELPkid
Posted 2012-12-27 12:55:57 and read 28574 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 171):
Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 169):
ZA 285 (L/N 45) for UA is scheduled for delivery and ferry flight from PAE to LAX today, Dec 27th per United/Cont. Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 14 (by LipeGIG Dec 10 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Post 65. This is UA a/c #6. Their fifth delivery is scheduled to ferry from LAX to IAH today.

Nice to see that UA accepted delivery of their 6th earlier than expected! What does UA do with the aircraft at LAX? N27903 (L/N 52 - UA#5) spent a week there!

So if UA #5 wasn't flying for United at LAX, what was she doing there? Seems confusing that UA is getting new birds delivered to LAX, yet all the flying seems to be by pre-merger Continental crews (I do kow that these early delivery birds were part of the original Continental order...). Will there be a 787 crew base at LAX?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: SonomaFlyer
Posted 2012-12-27 13:29:48 and read 28464 times.

LAX is the "induction" airport for UA on the 787. CALTECH or someone at UA might be able to give details but it likely involves "customer specific" stuff like loading entertainment systems, carts, placards for the seats etc. For their fifth frame, it took a week.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: United787
Posted 2012-12-27 13:54:32 and read 28384 times.

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 173):
LAX is the "induction" airport for UA on the 787. CALTECH or someone at UA might be able to give details but it likely involves "customer specific" stuff like loading entertainment systems, carts, placards for the seats etc. For their fifth frame, it took a week.

That is what I thought... but they went to IAH for the first 4, correct? I am guessing they now need the hanger space at IAH for the 787s already in service...

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: ordramper98
Posted 2012-12-27 14:56:38 and read 28273 times.

No, UA's first two (904, 906) went to IAH. The last three (902, 905, 903) and now 901 are going/ went to LAX for induction.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: Capt747ret
Posted 2012-12-27 18:28:26 and read 27918 times.

CalTech? I think that they are too busy with their curiosity about Mars. They have had an ongoing opportunity that I’m sure they don’t want to turn their attention from. And let’s not forget… other places that they have chosen to boldly go. If they are too busy for the 787 then I’ll be glad to give them a pass.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2012-12-27 19:21:57 and read 28152 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 112):
UA would receive 5 787 aircraft in 2012 and they have already 4 of them. The 6th one (ZA285) is for next year.
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 113):
That's correct, UAL stated in their regulatory filings that they take 5 787s by the end of the year.

As I stated previously, if the airplane is ready to deliver Boeing wants the money, especially at the end of the year. They're getting the airplanes to the customer sooner than they expected now--the initial guidance was a little conservative.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: SonomaFlyer
Posted 2012-12-27 19:34:40 and read 28121 times.

Quoting Capt747ret (Reply 176):
CalTech? I think that they are too busy with their curiosity about Mars. They have had an ongoing opportunity that I’m sure they don’t want to turn their attention from. And let’s not forget… other places that they have chosen to boldly go. If they are too busy for the 787 then I’ll be glad to give them a pass.


You're likely kidding but I'll bite, CalTech is a member of A.Net who works for UA (I believe he is an sCO engineer).

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: sweair
Posted 2012-12-28 00:11:35 and read 27822 times.

LN45 was not expected, how many test flights did it have? I saw it had an experimental number just the other day.

This was really a surprise!

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2012-12-28 09:36:36 and read 27255 times.

Quoting sweair (Reply 179):
LN45 was not expected, how many test flights did it have? I saw it had an experimental number just the other day.

This was really a surprise!

Two, B-1 -- C-1 out the door.

What "experimental" number?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-28 11:12:41 and read 27083 times.

I think he is confused with the ANA frame (JA818A).

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2012-12-28 11:59:24 and read 26977 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 181):
I think he is confused with the ANA frame (JA818A).

That makes sense as ANA ZA512 (83) flew an experimental flight on the 21st and can be seen with the taped over registration in Matt's photo on the 22nd.

http://paineairport.com/kpae5776.htm

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: sweair
Posted 2012-12-29 12:31:58 and read 26087 times.

Did AI take another frame? A delivery flight has been posted on flight aware?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-29 13:53:11 and read 25892 times.

It probably is ZA240 / VT-ANL, and she is in the air now.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: aeroblogger
Posted 2012-12-30 00:32:25 and read 25349 times.

VT-ANL is delivered. VT-ANJ is next up, followed by VT-ANN. It is unclear whether ANJ will be delivered this year - I can't get a word out of AI as to what the delay is about, but I'd guess that there are some changes which Boeing is making before delivery.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: sweair
Posted 2012-12-30 04:42:57 and read 25058 times.

Did AI find new financing lately? As they took 2 frames in December 2012..

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: aeroblogger
Posted 2012-12-30 19:13:19 and read 24309 times.

Quoting sweair (Reply 186):
Did AI find new financing lately? As they took 2 frames in December 2012..

Same financing as before. Finance ministry finally stopped getting in the way.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: Capt747ret
Posted 2012-12-31 13:56:07 and read 23618 times.

Enjoy!

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...aventador-and-the-boeing-787-video

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KELPkid
Posted 2012-12-31 16:20:57 and read 23365 times.

I guess NH won't be getting LN 83 before New Year's Day, to mark the halfway point in ANA's 787-800 order  

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2012-12-31 17:19:27 and read 23264 times.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 189):
I guess NH won't be getting LN 83 before New Year's Day, to mark the halfway point in ANA's 787-800 order

I thought it might make it earlier in the month but then instead of a C-1 following the B-1 it had an "EWA" flight for some reason and hasn't flown since.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: aeroblogger
Posted 2012-12-31 18:33:17 and read 23160 times.

VT-ANJ expected to be delivered this week. Probably tomorrow (2JAN), as today is a holiday.

[Edited 2012-12-31 18:33:37]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: PIEAvantiP180
Posted 2012-12-31 19:23:29 and read 23061 times.

So what is the year total for deliveries? And total overall deliveries?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2012-12-31 20:45:06 and read 22968 times.

Assuming VT-ANJ did not contractually deliver before new year's, 2012 total was 46 and grand total was 49.

Next up for January are:

Air India: VT-ANJ
All Nippon Airways: JA-818A
LOT Polish: SP-LRC

Followed by:

Air India: VT-ANM
LOT Polish: SP-LRD
China Southern: B-2727
Hainan Airlines: B-2728
China Southern: B-2725

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: PIEAvantiP180
Posted 2012-12-31 20:50:49 and read 22959 times.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 193):

That's a solid number for the year. Is 46 above or below the number of delivered frames Boeing said they expect to do at the beginning of the year?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2012-12-31 21:19:14 and read 22954 times.

There was no 787 specific guidance for 2012. Boeing's guidance was for between 70 and 85 deliveries of 787s and 747-8s combined. They've met that goal.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: PW100
Posted 2013-01-01 03:26:38 and read 22673 times.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 195):
There was no 787 specific guidance for 2012. Boeing's guidance was for between 70 and 85 deliveries of 787s and 747-8s combined. They've met that goal

So with 31 748's and 46 787's, total 2012 deliveries were 77. Right in the middle of their initial 2012 guidance. I think that is a solid performance, considering some customers were not "ready" to acceptsome of their deliveries, operational wise, cash wise etc.

To me this is the best indicator that most of the major production problems and bottlenecks have now been overcome, and production processes are now starting to stablelize nicely. That is very promisisng for 2013 and beyond!

Rgds,
PW100

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-01-01 05:06:51 and read 22543 times.

Boeing's guidance for 2012 787 deliveries was half of the 70 to 85 deliveries. Therefore their guidance on deliveries for 2012 (787) was between 35 and 43. Boeing exceeded that by a comfortable margin.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: United787
Posted 2013-01-01 07:14:34 and read 22320 times.

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft in production, I recommend going to http://nyc787.blogspot.com/

DELIVERED TO DATE: 49 Aircraft to 8 Airlines
NH-17; JL-7; UA–6; AI-5; QR-5; ET-4; LA-3; LO-2

2011 DELIVERIES: 3
L/N 8 - JA801A - 9/25/2011 - NH #1
L/N 24 - JA802A - 10/13/2011 - NH #2
L/N 31 - JA805A - 12/30/2011 - NH #3

2012 DELIVERIES: 46
L/N 41 - JA807A - 1/12/2012 - NH #4
L/N 9 - JA804A - 1/13/2012 - NH #5
L/N 23 - JA822J - 3/25/2012 - JL #1
L/N 33 - JA825J - 3/25/2012 - JL #2
L/N 40 - JA806A - 3/29/2012 - NH #6
L/N 42 - JA808A - 4/14/2012 - NH #7
L/N 37 - JA826J - 4/25/2012 - JL #3
L/N 38 - JA827J - 4/25/2012 - JL #4
L/N 47 - JA809A - 6/20/2012 - NH #8
L/N 48 - JA810A - 6/24/2012 - NH #9
L/N 56 - JA812A - 6/30/2012 - NH #10
L/N 51 - JA811A - 7/16/2012 - NH #11
L/N 49 - ET-AOQ - 8/14/2012 - ET #1
L/N 7 - JA803A - 8/20/2012 - NH #12
L/N 68 - CC-BBA - 8/28/2012 - LA #1
L/N 67 - JA813A - 8/30/2012 - NH #13
L/N 70 - JA828J - 9/4/2012 - JL #5
L/N 35 - VT-ANH - 9/6/2012 - AI #1
L/N 29 - VT-AND - 9/17/2012 - AI #2
L/N 53 - N20904 - 9/22/2012 - UA #1
L/N 69 - JA814A - 9/23/2012 - NH #14
L/N 27 - JA824J - 9/24/2012 - JL #6
L/N 66 - JA815A - 9/30/2012 - NH #15
L/N 71 - ET-AOR - 10/3/2012 - ET #2
L/N 46 - VT-ANI - 10/5/2012 - AI #3
L/N 58 - A7-BCB - 10/5/2012 - QR #1
L/N 75 - ET-AOS - 10/22/2012 - ET #3
L/N 74 - CC-BBB - 10/24/2012 - LA #2
L/N 77 - N26906 – 10/31/2012 - UA #2
L/N 63 - JA816A - 10/31/2012 - NH #16
L/N 64 - A7-BCL – 11/06/2012- QR #2
L/N 61 - SP-LRA - 11/09/2012 - LO #1
L/N 44 - ET-AOP - 11/19/2012 - ET #4
L/N 57 - A7-BCA – 11/20/2012 - QR #3
L/N 50 - N20902 - 11/20/2012 - UA #3
L/N 80 - CC-BBC - 12/7/2012 - LA #3
L/N 55 - N26905 – 12/14/2012 - UA #4
L/N 78 - SP-LRB – 12/20/2012 - LO #2
L/N 62 - A7-BCK - 12/20/2012 - QR #4
L/N 59 - JA817A - 12/20/2012 - NH #17
L/N 84 – JA829J – 12/20/2012 – JL #7
L/N 60 - VT-ANK – 12/20/2012 - AI #4
L/N 52 - N26903 – 12/20/2012 – UA #5
L/N 82 - A7-BCC – 12/21/2012 - QR #5
L/N 45 - N26901 – 12/27/2012 – UA #6
L/N 65 - VT-ANL – 12/29/2012 - AI #5

NEXT IN LINE FOR DELIVERY Tentative - Subject to Change
L/N 83 - JA818A - 1/xx/2013 - NH #18
L/N 54 - VT-ANJ – 1/xx/2013 - AI #6
L/N 72 - VT-ANM – 1/xx/2013 - AI #7
L/N 86 – SP-LRC – 1/xx/2013 – LO #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 87 - SP-LRD – 1/xx/2013 – LO #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 88 - SP-LRE – 1/xx/2013 – LO #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 89 – JA830J – 1/xx/2013 – JL #8 Awaiting first flight

OTHER COMPLETED AIRCRAFT NOT BEING ACCEPTED BY AIRLINES DUE TO POLITICAL/CERTIFICATION ISSUES
L/N 73 - B-2728 - TBD - HU #1
L/N 79 - B-2730 - TBD - HU #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 76 - B-2729 - TBD - HU #3 Storage - Awaiting first flight
L/N 43 - B-2727 - TBD - CZ #1
L/N 34 – B-2725 – TBD – CZ #2 Awaiting first flight

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: dynamicsguy
Posted 2013-01-01 20:34:14 and read 21660 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 197):
Therefore their guidance on deliveries for 2012 (787) was between 35 and 43.

I disagree. They could never have come close to 42 747-8s even if everything went right, so the realistic figure for 787s should be higher. By my reckoning it would have been 40-52, and they fell in the middle of that range as they fell in the middle of the range for combined 747-8 and 787 deliveries.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: PW100
Posted 2013-01-02 09:07:39 and read 21067 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 197):
Boeing's guidance for 2012 787 deliveries was half of the 70 to 85 deliveries. Therefore their guidance on deliveries for 2012 (787) was between 35 and 43. Boeing exceeded that by a comfortable margin

Would you please be so kind to show me where Boeing stated that exactly half of those 70 - 85 would have been 787's?

According to this http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2112
Quote:
Commercial Airplanes' 2012 deliveries are expected to be between 585 and 600 airplanes and is sold out. This includes an expected 70 to 85 787 and 747-8 deliveries, of which approximately half are 787 aircraft.


Like dynamicsguy mentioned, it seem far fetched that they would deliver well north of 40 747's, so the balance should always have been tiliting in favour of the 787, especially if they would hit the higher end of their spectrum (70 to 85).

I'd say with 46 787 deliveries, they were pretty much meeting the lower end to middle of the 787 forecasted delivery spectrum, but not near the higher end. I'm not sure why you're keeping beating that drum . . . ?

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 197):
Boeing exceeded that by a comfortable margin


If I may do an educated guess, I suspect, in your applaudable and admirable enthousiasm, you may have underestimated this word:
. . . approximately . . .  


I'm looking forward to their 2013 forecast!

Rgds,
PW100

Edit: typo

[Edited 2013-01-02 09:12:50]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-01-02 09:40:32 and read 20966 times.

Well if China was on the ball we might have seen 51 787 deliveries, which would have been 73% of the low estimate and 60% of the high estimate. Evan at 46, they were at 54% of the high estimate, so they did better than even numbers.

Airbus squeaked by at the wire to attain their A380 delivery estimate (30 frames) and I don't see people breaking their balls over it. *shrug*

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: sweair
Posted 2013-01-02 09:46:16 and read 21209 times.

2012 was the year the 787 turned around, looking forward it will just get better, be produced in record numbers and loved by the flying public.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-02 12:51:31 and read 20850 times.

Air India took 3 frames last month, so LN54 / ZA238 / VT-ANJ has been delivered too.

http://www.charlestonbusiness.com/ne...elivers-three-787s-during-december

And in related news: LN76 / ZA431 for Hainan Airlines is now out of the CHS factory.

http://twitter.com/Kearney_Brendan/status/286571977660059648

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: fleabyte
Posted 2013-01-02 22:06:34 and read 20324 times.

Does anyone know why (6) ANA teen birds without engines have been re-located to the flight line?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2013-01-02 23:09:52 and read 20249 times.

Quoting fleabyte (Reply 204):
Does anyone know why (6) ANA teen birds without engines have been re-located to the flight line?

I think you are looking at a picture on Matt Cawby's blog without noticing that the date on the picture is December 31, 2010.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KELPkid
Posted 2013-01-03 00:23:30 and read 20142 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 203):
Air India took 3 frames last month, so LN54 / ZA238 / VT-ANJ has been delivered too.

When isVT-ANJ flying away?   

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: seahawks7757
Posted 2013-01-03 01:01:07 and read 20092 times.

Anyone know if B-2725 has been repainted to the new CZ 787 scheme yet?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-01-03 06:00:16 and read 19773 times.

Quoting seahawks7757 (Reply 207):

It has not and as recently as last month there was no intention on doing so. CZ has said that 9/10 aircraft would sport the special (not new) lively which indicates that B-2725 will stay as is. Plans always change of course...

A

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: United787
Posted 2013-01-03 06:40:56 and read 19677 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 203):
Air India took 3 frames last month, so LN54 / ZA238 / VT-ANJ has been delivered too.

All Things 787 shows it being delivered 1/2/2013. I wonder how accurate the article is...there is nothing in Randy's blog that specifically says AI took three last month.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 206):
When isVT-ANJ flying away?

The article says today but nothing on FlightAware as of yet...

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-03 06:51:51 and read 19642 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 209):
All Things 787 shows it being delivered 1/2/2013. I wonder how accurate the article is...there is nothing in Randy's blog that specifically says AI took three last month.

Yeah now I'm confused too.

Quote:
The article says today but nothing on FlightAware as of yet...
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...0/history/20130103/2030Z/KCHS/EDDF

[Edited 2013-01-03 06:52:35]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-01-03 07:33:44 and read 19530 times.

China Southern is saying that they'll be receiving their first 787 in March

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2013-01-03 07:38:42 and read 19527 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 211):
China Southern is saying that they'll be receiving their first 787 in March

B-2727 I assume. It's hard to imagine that their first frame would be one not in the special livery.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-03 08:34:51 and read 19430 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 209):
All Things 787 shows it being delivered 1/2/2013. I wonder how accurate the article is...there is nothing in Randy's blog that specifically says AI took three last month.
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2552

11 787 deliveries in December; LN54 was indeed delivered on 1/2/2013 and not last month.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: MEA-707
Posted 2013-01-03 13:20:52 and read 19082 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 213):
LN54 was indeed delivered on 1/2/2013 and not last month

I believe this is the 50th 787 delivery , correct?
Also nice to see that l/n 44 to 71 are all delivered now. The production list is getting less spotty with Boeing working on both the lower and higer end.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: ual747-600
Posted 2013-01-03 13:27:39 and read 19053 times.

LIne 54 for is on the way.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AIC170

UAL747-600

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: ual747-600
Posted 2013-01-03 13:31:43 and read 19048 times.

Line 72 flown to KRTW for paint today.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE241

UAL747-600

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: aeroblogger
Posted 2013-01-03 20:13:16 and read 18559 times.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 191):
VT-ANJ expected to be delivered this week. Probably tomorrow (2JAN), as today is a holiday.
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 203):
Air India took 3 frames last month, so LN54 / ZA238 / VT-ANJ has been delivered too.

VT-ANJ was delivered 2JAN, as predicted.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-01-04 09:28:40 and read 18055 times.

First 787 of the new year scheduled to fly later today GUN ZA382 (43) out of storage.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE382

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-01-04 13:03:34 and read 17705 times.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 218):
First 787 of the new year scheduled to fly later today GUN ZA382 (43) out of storage.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE382

Maybe tomorrow.

Made it after all.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE382

[Edited 2013-01-04 13:46:55]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: petera380
Posted 2013-01-04 14:29:33 and read 17506 times.

You made it sound like it was a first flight! ZA382 has already had it's first flight!

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-01-04 15:08:50 and read 17425 times.

Quoting petera380 (Reply 220):
You made it sound like it was a first flight! ZA382 has already had it's first flight!

Didn't say that anywhere. If it was a first flight I would have labeled it a B-1. Just the first production flight of a 787 out of PAE in the new year. Probably a redo of the whole B-1 profile prior to customer since it's hasn't flow in almost 3 months.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: ual747-600
Posted 2013-01-04 15:37:39 and read 17371 times.

Not sure but I think LN62 ZA462 38329 A7-BCK Qatar Airways is otw to DOH

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR3787

UAL747-600

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: sweair
Posted 2013-01-05 02:08:03 and read 16933 times.

ZA382 has my favorite livery of all 787s so far. Hope they keep it for all aircraft.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-05 04:34:37 and read 16799 times.

Quoting ual747-600 (Reply 222):
Not sure but I think LN62 ZA462 38329 A7-BCK Qatar Airways is otw to DOH

A7-BCK it was.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: Capt747ret
Posted 2013-01-07 19:03:51 and read 15601 times.

Any news of the BOS fire?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-01-07 19:34:35 and read 15600 times.

Quoting Capt747ret (Reply 225):
Any news of the BOS fire?
Breaking: Japan Airlines Is Smoking Up At BOS (by boeingbus Jan 7 2013 in Civil Aviation)

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-01-08 08:50:16 and read 15323 times.

Out of storage flight (B-1 profile) on ZA430 HNA(73) scheduled for later today.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE430

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-09 01:18:15 and read 14651 times.

Matt tweeted:

Quote:
787 ZA512 scheduled for certification flight with FAA on Wednesday

ZA512 = LN83 = JA818A

I do not know what has changed on this frame.

Quote:
Out of storage flight (B-1 profile) on ZA430 HNA(73) scheduled for later today.

Picture by Matt Camby: http://paineairport.com/kpae5817.htm

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-09 11:42:00 and read 14100 times.

Breaking news on the CAAC issue?!

Quote:
Flight crew on ZA382 N1014X for cert flite with CAAC
http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/289048798548852736

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: United787
Posted 2013-01-09 12:37:37 and read 13984 times.

It seems like there is enough activity with the Chinese planes to take them off the "black list".

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft in production, I recommend going to http://nyc787.blogspot.com/

DELIVERED TO DATE: 50 Aircraft to 8 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO JANUARY
NH-17; JL-7; UA–6; AI-5; QR-5; ET-4; LA-3; LO-2

JANUARY DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 54 - VT-ANJ – 1/2/2013 - AI #6

NEXT IN LINE FOR DELIVERY Tentative - Subject to Change
L/N 83 - JA818A - 1/xx/2013 - NH #18
L/N 72 - VT-ANM – 1/xx/2013 - AI #7
L/N 86 – SP-LRC – 1/xx/2013 – LO #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 87 - SP-LRD – 1/xx/2013 – LO #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 88 - SP-LRE – 1/xx/2013 – LO #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 89 – JA830J – 1/xx/2013 – JL #8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 43 - B-2727 – 3/xx/2013 - CZ #1
L/N 73 - B-2728 - TBD - HU #1
L/N 34 – B-2725 – TBD – CZ #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 79 - B-2730 - TBD - HU #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 76 - B-2729 - TBD - HU #3 Awaiting first flight

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-10 04:09:09 and read 13288 times.

Production update!

LN89 / JA830J is in paint.

http://paineairport.com/kpae5822.htm

LN83 / JA818A went on a certification flight with the FAA on board.

http://paineairport.com/kpae5821.htm (experimental logo above the door)

LN43 / B-2727 went on a certification flight with the CAAC on board.

http://paineairport.com/kpae5820.htm (also an experimental logo above the door)

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-01-10 08:01:58 and read 12920 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 231):
http://paineairport.com/kpae5821.htm (experimental logo above the door)

FAA requirement so the people flying on the airplane know what they're getting into.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: United787
Posted 2013-01-10 11:09:38 and read 12569 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 231):
http://paineairport.com/kpae5821.htm (experimental logo above the door)
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 231):
FAA requirement so the people flying on the airplane know what they're getting into.

Maybe they should put that logo above all 787 doors so passengers know what they're getting into     

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: sonomaflyer
Posted 2013-01-10 11:14:52 and read 12546 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 233):
Maybe they should put that logo above all 787 doors so passengers know what they're getting into    

ZING! I think the issues are in-hand and will be sorted before long. Unlike prior a/c introductions, Boeing has real-time data fed to them via Sat Link so they can quickly get the needed information disbursed out to their teams for analysis. Thanks to the digital age, every hiccup of this new a/c will be splashed across blogs, web pages and 24/7 news channels. What a P.R. headache.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: United787
Posted 2013-01-10 11:23:55 and read 12495 times.

Quoting sonomaflyer (Reply 234):
ZING! I think the issues are in-hand and will be sorted before long. Unlike prior a/c introductions, Boeing has real-time data fed to them via Sat Link so they can quickly get the needed information disbursed out to their teams for analysis. Thanks to the digital age, every hiccup of this new a/c will be splashed across blogs, web pages and 24/7 news channels. What a P.R. headache.

I know and I agree...but I couldn't resist the opportunity!

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: tistpaa727
Posted 2013-01-10 12:59:17 and read 12316 times.

Quoting sonomaflyer (Reply 234):
ZING! I think the issues are in-hand and will be sorted before long. Unlike prior a/c introductions, Boeing has real-time data fed to them via Sat Link so they can quickly get the needed information disbursed out to their teams for analysis. Thanks to the digital age, every hiccup of this new a/c will be splashed across blogs, web pages and 24/7 news channels. What a P.R. headache.

The PR nightmare is just nuts. I just took to calling out the author of a recent Forbes article. Just ticks me off. I posted a comment in his article, on my G+ page and on his. http://goo.gl/uc5gV The media keeps talking about how this is unprecedented, horrible, etc. That no other plane introduction has experienced hiccups. Boils my blood and I finally popped and had to comment on this guys article.

Oh well, I for one can't wait to fly one of these graceful birds.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-01-10 14:49:34 and read 12085 times.

It'll all be forgotten in a few months as the media's attention will be deflected by the latest scandal on "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo"

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: PlanesNTrains
Posted 2013-01-10 14:58:56 and read 12065 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 237):
It'll all be forgotten in a few months as the media's attention will be deflected by the latest scandal on "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo"



With the 787 I want to be able to say the same as you, that in a few months it will all blow over. But it's been FIVE YEARS of crap with the program and while I love the plane and think it's likely to have a fabulous long-term future, I'm done buying into the hope that dawn is breaking.

-Dave

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: sonomaflyer
Posted 2013-01-10 15:48:00 and read 11944 times.

I think we all need to keep in mind that in the history of commercial aviation, there've been plenty of a/c programs which have suffered delays, initial service issues and frustrated airline customers. It's safe to say that almost every program has suffered these kinds of issues.

What is different here are forums such as this one, Twitter, 24/7 news cycles and instant access to all sorts of rumor, speculation and information. It can distort things all out of proportion.

I won't worry unless they have a hull loss attributed to something like an electrical fire/arc/failure in flight. I just don't see that happening with the various safety systems and multiple redundancies. I'm willing to bet the battery issue on the JL flight was a one-off manufacturing/material defect or an improper installation/wiring.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: Capt747ret
Posted 2013-01-10 16:43:38 and read 11861 times.

From AW&ST concerning other electrical issues that have been blown out of proportion:

We’d only seen it once in 100,000 hours on the system. Then we had the similar event on the United airplane and two days later a similar one on Qatar. We realized all three of those boards came from the same 16 boards in one manufacturing lot.”

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: sonomaflyer
Posted 2013-01-10 16:55:36 and read 11806 times.

Thanks for that info Capt. That makes more sense to me that there was a manufacturing defect on a run of boards rather than a design flaw with the electrical system itself. If this is the case, it should be straight-forward to trace the other boards from that run and replace them rather than wait for a premature failure.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-01-11 09:24:20 and read 11194 times.

LOT #3 ZA272 (86) scheduled for a B-1 later today--first one of the new year at PAE.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE272

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: GSPflyer
Posted 2013-01-11 19:39:58 and read 10683 times.

Hey guys, I have a question, and since it's relevant, I thought I would ask it here, instead of starting a new thread.

I am wondering which 787s are being built in CHS. It looks like, as of now, they are producing all of the AI and HU aircraft there, and the rest in PAE. Is this correct? Is there a way I can keep up with the ones that are being produced in CHS? Are the CHS aircraft given c/n's in a certain range, or maybe there is a list of some kind that's available? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Also, one Saturday this summer, the first AI 787 was here in GSP doing some touch-and-go landings prior to delivery. Does Boeing plan on using GSP for this type of thing in the future?

Great blog, NYC777. Sorry if the answers to any of my questions are in there, but I just found this thread, and haven't read much.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-01-11 19:43:43 and read 10675 times.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 242):
LOT #3 ZA272 (86) scheduled for a B-1 later today--first one of the new year at PAE.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE272

Maybe Saturday

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: justloveplanes
Posted 2013-01-12 01:26:06 and read 10452 times.

Quoting GSPflyer (Reply 243):
I am wondering which 787s are being built in CHS. It looks like, as of now, they are producing all of the AI and HU aircraft there, and the rest in PAE. Is this correct? Is there a way I can keep up with the ones that are being produced in CHS? Are the CHS aircraft given c/n's in a certain range, or maybe there is a list of some kind that's available? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Are any of the Air India birds flying?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-12 02:00:22 and read 10422 times.

Quoting GSPflyer (Reply 243):
I am wondering which 787s are being built in CHS.

Here is an overview:

Delivered:
LN46 / ZA237 / VT-ANI (Air India)
LN54 / ZA238 / VT-ANJ (Air India)
LN60 / ZA239 / VT-ANK (Air India)
LN65 / ZA240 / VT-ANL (Air India)

Awaiting delivery:
LN72 / ZA241 / VT-ANM (Air India)
LN76 / ZA431 / B-2729 (Hainan Airlines)

Undergoing final assembly:
LN81 / ZA433 / B-2731 (Hainan Airlines)
LN85 / ZA434 / B-2732 (Hainan Airlines)
LN91 / ZA243 / VT-ANO (Air India)
LN95 / ZA384 / B-2734 (China Southern)

Scheduled for final assembly:
LN100 / ZA385 / B-2735 (China Southern)
LN104 / ZA386 / B-2736 (China Southern)
LN109 / ZA467 / A7-??? (Qatar)
LN113 / ZA539 / CC-BBD (LAN)
LN119 / ZA387 / B-2737 (China Southern)
LN124 / ZA292 / ??? (United Airlines)
LN125 / ZA187 / JA833J (Japan Airlines)
LN129 / ZA469 / A7-??? (Qatar)

This list could change in the future.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-12 02:06:14 and read 10412 times.

Quoting justloveplanes (Reply 245):
Are any of the Air India birds flying?

LN54 / VT-ANJ hasn't entered revenue service yet but the other frames are flying.

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/vt-ani
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/vt-anj
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/vt-ank
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/vt-anl
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/vt-anh (assembled at PAE)
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/vt-and (assembled at PAE)

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-12 06:21:18 and read 10215 times.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...2/history/20130112/1500Z/KPAE/KFTW

LN43 / ZA382 is scheduled to fly to Fort Worth in about a hour. Is it going to lose its special livery?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-13 02:24:36 and read 9518 times.

LN92 / G-TUIA for Thomson is outside (but not painted yet).

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: sweair
Posted 2013-01-13 02:30:53 and read 9515 times.

I hope LN43 does not lose that beautiful livery, any less euro white is a win   Most boring white livery is JAL, it is just plain boring.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-13 02:47:35 and read 9497 times.

sabian404 has just uploaded a high-res picture of LN92 / G-TUIA:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sabian404/8376293838/lightbox/

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-01-13 10:14:26 and read 9129 times.

LOT #3 ZA272 (86) finally off on its B-1:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE272

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-13 11:21:37 and read 9007 times.

China delays B787-8 certification following incidents:
http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/new...-certification-following-incidents

Those poor Charleston workers, Boeing should give them some other frames.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: sweair
Posted 2013-01-13 11:35:49 and read 8939 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 253):

They will make Qatar, AI and UA frames too?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-13 11:50:46 and read 8900 times.

Quoting sweair (Reply 254):
They will make Qatar, AI and UA frames too?

Yes but that's gonna take a while with a production rate of 1 frame a month. And building a Qatar frame means dealing with Admiral Akbar,  

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2013-01-13 12:15:05 and read 8848 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 247):
LN54 / VT-ANJ hasn't entered revenue service yet but the other frames are flying.

Seems VT-ANJ started revenue service with a round trip to DXB yesterday, and is doing another one today.

Small miracle that of all the mechanical incidents none of them have befallen AI (except the jammed-shut cargo door that was their fault).

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-13 12:23:56 and read 8818 times.

Air India said they faced some electrical issues too.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 2175301
Posted 2013-01-13 14:52:10 and read 8562 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 257):
Air India said they faced some electrical issues too.

Since the human brain and thinking involves electrical signals, I agree that it is in fact obvious that they do in fact face electrical problems. That might be the best explanation yet for all the delays in India.

Have a great day,

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-01-13 15:16:45 and read 8475 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 253):
China delays B787-8 certification following incidents:
http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/new...-certification-following-incidents

Those poor Charleston workers, Boeing should give them some other frames.

One wonders now if Boeing is going to give some of those Chinese frames to other customers? Perhaps that's why ZA382 flew to Ft. Worth yesterday?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-01-13 16:36:31 and read 8324 times.

Quoting 2175301 (Reply 258):
One wonders now if Boeing is going to give some of those Chinese frames to other customers? Perhaps that's why ZA382 flew to Ft. Worth yesterday?

I think the Chinese will end up taking these in the first half, if not in March as they recently indicated. As for another customer, I think the interior rework would be a bit costly depending on the new customer.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: Capt747ret
Posted 2013-01-13 16:53:25 and read 8287 times.

My 2 cents worth
The news media thrives on controversy, pain and spin. Let’s make it clear that spin is another word for lie; it is a distortion of truth. It is normal for reporters to embellish. They believe it is their right! The news is a product. It is no different than going to the grocery store and buying a bag of potatoes. The reporter is selling something just like used cars. Be careful who you trust.

The fuel spill in BOS was due to a valve that was open either thru human or software error. The fuel thus sloshed between the tanks and filled the vent lines. Except for the sticky valve the system worked as designed. It was not a leak it was a spill – huge difference. It’s happened to me and most every pilot. No one wants to drive or fly with a fuel leak.

You do the same when you gas up and fill your car tank vent lines and it overflows. The idiots of the press just want to create yellow journalism! Then they hide behind Freedom of the Press. For some reason they believe they get a free pass for their deliberate hype and misrepresentations. What it does is distort the problem from reality. Then the bureaucrats step in (not sure which one is worse).

Concerning some of the electrical issues from AW&ST:
“We’d only seen it once in 100,000 hours on the system. Then we had the similar event on the United airplane and two days later a similar one on Qatar. We realized all three of those boards came from the same 16 boards in one manufacturing lot.”

The press will lead us to believe that there were another 3 burning hulks where the pax and crew “managed to escape with their lives”. That happened in BOS where everyone somehow escaped a half hour before it happened just in the nick of time. What a great emergency evacuation! They even used the Jetway!

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: kanban
Posted 2013-01-13 17:23:43 and read 8221 times.

Quoting sweair (Reply 254):
They will make Qatar, AI and UA frames too?

Charleston may produce a/c for any airline that buys the 787..... so what's the question? eventually they will also produce -9s and -10s

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-01-13 17:43:11 and read 8168 times.

We established previously that these frames can be taken by other airlines right, so what's holding B back?


Speaking of previous threads, this thing is getting crowded. Part 13 please mods  

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: SonomaFlyer
Posted 2013-01-13 18:12:09 and read 8123 times.

Reallocating frames is a very big deal. Taking those frames away from Chinese state owned airlines is a bigger deal. Boeing isn't going to do any such thing. The market in China and that area is massive - why pull the tail of the tiger?

China has a concern about the 787. Part I'm sure is wrapped up in the delays and gamesmanship around that issue. The recent spate of problems have caused them to slow down and take a second look. The FAA did the same thing with the design review. In the end, China will take the frames. Boeing would never hint at or threaten publicly or privately that they would "reallocate" the frames to someone else.

If they didn't smack around India, they certainly aren't going to do so to China.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: dc1030cf
Posted 2013-01-13 19:43:42 and read 7975 times.

I heard B-2727 is to receive a modified paint job. No more, no less. Either way, we'll find out in about a week.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: AA737-823
Posted 2013-01-13 21:17:27 and read 7859 times.

Quoting Capt747ret (Reply 261):
The news media thrives on controversy, pain and spin. Let’s make it clear that spin is another word for lie; it is a distortion of truth.

Welcome to my respected user list- a list which I haven't touched in nearly a decade!

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 264):
If they didn't smack around India, they certainly aren't going to do so to China.

Well said. There is way too much at stake for Boeing to flippantly put a United paintjob on these birds and tell Smisek "Happy New Year."

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-14 09:24:42 and read 7349 times.

Matt reports that LN90 / VT-ANN is in paint and on the flightline.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: sweair
Posted 2013-01-14 10:10:06 and read 7221 times.

Quoting kanban (Reply 262):

Some poster felt sorry for them only having chinese frames in fal, I just added that they will eventually have other airlines to build for, even the first RR bird for LAN, CHS has only built GE birds so far.

And I agree it must suck when your flight line is filled with frames of customers that wont accept them.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12
Username: iowaman
Posted 2013-01-14 13:10:17 and read 6852 times.

Since this thread has received over 250 replies, please continue the discussion here:

787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13 (by iowaman Jan 14 2013 in Civil Aviation)


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