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Topic: Qatar 787 Grounded At LHR
Username: hotplane
Posted 2013-01-16 07:29:08 and read 21131 times.

A7-BCK is currently sat on a remote T4 stand following the cancellation of the outbound QR076. Presumably this is to do with the ANA and JAL problems.

www.heathrowairport.com/flight-infor...c6f2ffdae311a631ca_flightTerminal=

[Edited 2013-01-16 07:35:44]

Topic: RE: Qatar 787 Grounded At LHR
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-01-16 07:56:08 and read 20661 times.

No word thus far if QR grounded their fleet buuuuuuut I'm not a Middle East expert.

Topic: RE: Qatar 787 Grounded At LHR
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-01-16 08:09:59 and read 20441 times.

Quoting hotplane (Thread starter):
Presumably this is to do with the ANA and JAL problems.

Has QR cancelled all of their 787 flights? No reports of such in the news.

Topic: RE: Qatar 787 Grounded At LHR
Username: swallow
Posted 2013-01-16 08:13:09 and read 20324 times.

We will know soon enough, why she is grounded, after a volcanic eruption from AAB

Sadly for the 787, it dosen't rain, it pours  

Topic: RE: Qatar 787 Grounded At LHR
Username: col
Posted 2013-01-16 08:28:54 and read 20013 times.

Looks like BCA is still functioning Doha to DXB, so BCK may be another issue?

Topic: RE: Qatar 787 Grounded At LHR
Username: baldwin471
Posted 2013-01-16 08:39:35 and read 19774 times.

Hmm. Supposed to be flying on QR's 788 next week. Hopefully they are in service again then, or my 7 hour stopover on the way to CNX will be pointless.

Topic: RE: Qatar 787 Grounded At LHR
Username: rcair1
Posted 2013-01-16 08:43:02 and read 19693 times.

Quoting hotplane (Thread starter):
A7-BCK is currently sat on a remote T4 stand following the cancellation of the outbound QR076. Presumably this is to do with the ANA and JAL problems.

Or an engine failed, or it need a tire, or anything that exceeds the MEL failed.
Let's wait for some information please before we "presume" things.
If QR says "we are grounding our fleet because of JAL/ANA" then we can say that.
Have they?

Topic: RE: Qatar 787 Grounded At LHR
Username: a380heavy
Posted 2013-01-16 08:49:35 and read 19566 times.

Perhaps it's grounded due to a worldwide shortage of li-ion batteries!    Sorry, couldn't resist that one.

Topic: RE: Qatar 787 Grounded At LHR
Username: seahawks7757
Posted 2013-01-16 14:10:35 and read 17095 times.

Quoting rcair1 (Reply 6):
Or an engine failed, or it need a tire, or anything that exceeds the MEL failed.
Let's wait for some information please before we "presume" things.
If QR says "we are grounding our fleet because of JAL/ANA" then we can say that.
Have they?



I have reached out to Qatar who commented with "No Comment." Read about it along with UA and LAN's responses to yesterdays events here-
http://www.airlinereporter.com/2013/...ner-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/

Topic: RE: Qatar 787 Grounded At LHR
Username: kamilinlondon
Posted 2013-01-16 14:13:19 and read 17000 times.

On the positive note LO completed uneventful WAW-ORD today  

Topic: RE: Qatar 787 Grounded At LHR
Username: blueflyer
Posted 2013-01-16 14:28:30 and read 16299 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
Has QR cancelled all of their 787 flights?

No. As I wrote in another thread, Qatar had scheduled passenger flights today for three of the five 787s in the fleet. One is evidently grounded in LHR, but the other two aircraft completed their mission.

The two aircraft that were not scheduled for passenger flights remained at base. One was just delivered and isn't ready to enter service yet.

Topic: RE: Qatar 787 Grounded At LHR
Username: SCL767
Posted 2013-01-16 14:34:04 and read 16029 times.

Quoting seahawks7757 (Reply 8):
Read about it along with UA and LAN's responses to yesterdays events here-

Indeed, LAN reaffirmed today that the airline continues normal operations of its fleet of 787s:
Lan aclara que mantiene operativos sus tres aviones Boeing 787

Topic: RE: Qatar 787 Grounded At LHR
Username: TC957
Posted 2013-01-16 14:35:15 and read 16025 times.

Quoting kamilinlondon (Reply 9):
Quoting kamilinlondon (Reply 9):
On the positive note LO completed uneventful WAW-ORD today

Maybe so, but it hasn't flown the service back yet  

Topic: RE: Qatar 787 Grounded At LHR
Username: ordwaw
Posted 2013-01-16 15:14:14 and read 14591 times.

Quoting TC957 (Reply 12):
Quoting kamilinlondon (Reply 9):
On the positive note LO completed uneventful WAW-ORD today

Maybe so, but it hasn't flown the service back yet  

Actually, LO 3 is still in the air on its WAW-ORD leg, currently over NorthWest Quebec, a little over 2 hours away from ORD ...  

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[Edited 2013-01-16 15:16:29]

Topic: RE: Qatar 787 Grounded At LHR
Username: kamilinlondon
Posted 2013-01-16 15:36:03 and read 13991 times.

Quoting TC957 (Reply 12):

Well said. I think personally that it might get stopped for some extra checks while in States.

Topic: RE: Qatar 787 Grounded At LHR
Username: idlewildchild
Posted 2013-01-16 15:55:55 and read 13446 times.

FAA JUST announced all 787s are to be grounded until they sort out fire risk from wiring. Oy vey, not good for Boeing at all.

Topic: RE: Qatar 787 Grounded At LHR
Username: seahawks7757
Posted 2013-01-16 16:07:35 and read 13150 times.

Quoting idlewildchild (Reply 15):
AA JUST announced all 787s are to be grounded until they sort out fire risk from wiring. Oy vey, not good for Boeing at all.

The FAA only has jurisdiction on US carriers, so technically only the UA 787's are forced grounded.

Topic: RE: Qatar 787 Grounded At LHR
Username: 22886
Posted 2013-01-16 16:22:10 and read 12751 times.

The Qatar 787 at LHR is AOG for reasons unrelated to the grounding of the JAL and ANA fleet. Its got a problem with its hydraulic system and is overnighting at LHR. Its parked on stand 451.

http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/908_899441572468_1793997367_n.jpg
http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/317914_899441806998_179269712_n.jpg

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Topic: RE: Qatar 787 Grounded At LHR
Username: HBGDS
Posted 2013-01-16 16:27:21 and read 12645 times.

Quoting seahawks7757 (Reply 16):
The FAA only has jurisdiction on US carriers, so technically only the UA 787's are forced grounded.

Are you certain of that? How then did the FAA ground the entire DC-10 fleet in 1979? It's all about airworthiness certificates. If FAA orders the entire fleet grounded by temporarily suspending the airworthiness certificate, then LOT and Qatar must ground, too...
(When the French DGAC cancelled Concorde's certificate in AUgust 2000 BA was hit)

Topic: RE: Qatar 787 Grounded At LHR
Username: sankaps
Posted 2013-01-16 16:36:15 and read 12389 times.

Quoting HBGDS (Reply 18):
Are you certain of that? How then did the FAA ground the entire DC-10 fleet in 1979? It's all about airworthiness certificates. If FAA orders the entire fleet grounded by temporarily suspending the airworthiness certificate, then LOT and Qatar must ground, too...

See http://edition.cnn.com/2013/01/16/tr...reamliner-faa/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 . The FAA has recommended other countries follow suit.

Topic: RE: Qatar 787 Grounded At LHR
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-01-16 16:59:45 and read 11900 times.

Quoting HBGDS (Reply 18):
How then did the FAA ground the entire DC-10 fleet in 1979?

The FAA only grounded the DC-10s of US-flag carriers. They might also have denied entry into the US of foreign-flagged DC-10s, but they had no authority to deny foreign operators from flying DC-10s outside the US. Foreign civil aviation authorities made their own decision as to whether or not to ground the DC-10.



Quoting HBGDS (Reply 18):
If FAA orders the entire fleet grounded by temporarily suspending the airworthiness certificate, then LOT and Qatar must ground, too...

I would expect LOT is operating under the EASA Type Certificate, which has not (as yet) been pulled. I would also expect the Civil Aviation Authority of Qatar holds QR's Operating Certificate for the 787. They may, however, have adopted the FAA TCDS for certification basis, which I would expect means the FAA grounding would be in force with QR on that basis.



Quoting HBGDS (Reply 18):
(When the French DGAC cancelled Concorde's certificate in AUgust 2000 BA was hit)

As I recall, Concorde required both the British and French Civil Aviation Authorities permission to operate. When one of them - in this case, France - revoked that authority, Britain was required to comply.

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Topic: RE: Qatar 787 Grounded At LHR
Username: sankaps
Posted 2013-01-16 17:20:20 and read 11452 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 20):
I would expect LOT is operating under the EASA Type Certificate, which has not (as yet) been pulled. I would also expect the Civil Aviation Authority of Qatar holds QR's Operating Certificate for the 787.

I think you missed the part where the FAA has specifically recommended (as they cannot mandate) that other countries follow suit vis-a-viz the 787 grounding order.

Topic: RE: Qatar 787 Grounded At LHR
Username: kamilinlondon
Posted 2013-01-16 17:35:19 and read 11221 times.

Quoting kamilinlondon (Reply 9):



I Jinxed it!!
 

Topic: RE: Qatar 787 Grounded At LHR
Username: seahawks7757
Posted 2013-01-16 17:36:18 and read 11174 times.

Quoting sankaps (Reply 21):
I think you missed the part where the FAA has specifically recommended (as they cannot mandate) that other countries follow suit vis-a-viz the 787 grounding order.

Still doesn't mean that they have to follow the FAA. It is similar to the USA saying no one can have nukes, yet countries still do.

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Topic: RE: Qatar 787 Grounded At LHR
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-01-16 17:39:32 and read 11120 times.

Quoting sankaps (Reply 21):
I think you missed the part where the FAA has specifically recommended (as they cannot mandate) that other countries follow suit vis-a-viz the 787 grounding order.

The statement made was that the FAA pulling the TCDS would mean every other civil aviation would be required to do so. This is not true.

Indeed, most CAAs will follow the FAA's lead, but that is their decision.

[Edited 2013-01-16 17:43:21]

Topic: RE: Qatar 787 Grounded At LHR
Username: peterinlisbon
Posted 2013-01-16 17:40:34 and read 11423 times.

In any case it would be pretty wreckless for an airline to continue flying them if the aviation authority of the country that made them considers them unsafe to fly.

Topic: RE: Qatar 787 Grounded At LHR
Username: sankaps
Posted 2013-01-16 17:41:52 and read 11433 times.

Quoting seahawks7757 (Reply 23):
Still doesn't mean that they have to follow the FAA. It is similar to the USA saying no one can have nukes, yet people still do.

With respect, the above is not a good analogy... foreign countries (other than rougue states, none of which fly the 787) WILL follow safety recommendations like these.

Topic: RE: Qatar 787 Grounded At LHR
Username: aeroblogger
Posted 2013-01-16 17:48:29 and read 11550 times.

Quoting 22886 (Reply 17):
The Qatar 787 at LHR is AOG for reasons unrelated to the grounding of the JAL and ANA fleet. Its got a problem with its hydraulic system and is overnighting at LHR. Its parked on stand 451.

Well, this overnight might stretch out a bit longer than expected... By morning, the 787 will likely be grounded in Europe as well.

Topic: RE: Qatar 787 Grounded At LHR
Username: Wisdom
Posted 2013-01-16 17:53:32 and read 11413 times.

Any details on this hydraulic problem?
Pump, piping, accumulators, sensors?

Topic: RE: Qatar 787 Grounded At LHR
Username: 22886
Posted 2013-01-16 19:10:26 and read 10448 times.

Quoting Wisdom (Reply 28):

Any details on this hydraulic problem?
Pump, piping, accumulators, sensors?

No idea on what the exact problem is, was just told briefly it was hydraulic. The photo below shows a panel open on the bottom of the wing-fuselage fairing, you may be able to figure it out from that. The panel was not closed up and was left overnight like that.

Topic: RE: Qatar 787 Grounded At LHR
Username: Wilco737
Posted 2013-01-16 20:15:58 and read 9624 times.

Please continue all the discussions about 787 grounding in the FAA grounds 787 thread:

FAA Grounds 787 (by brons2 Jan 16 2013 in Civil Aviation)

So we can all discuss this matter in one thread and not 5 different ones.

Thanks.

wilco737
  


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