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Topic: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: QF175
Posted 2012-12-30 02:54:07 and read 27262 times.

G'day and welcome to the Australian Aviation Thread # 67. In the previous thread, the following points were discussed/raised:

* Air NZ confirms a second season of Sunshine Coast - Auckland flights (op by A320s)
* Virgin Australia debuts its new Business Class on its E190 fleet
* QantasLink's first 717-200 returns to service with the new 125Y configuration and refreshed interior
* Hawaiian Airlines inaugurates services to Brisbane (767 N588HA operates first flight)
* Qantas 767-300 VH-ZXB departs Australian shores (the first of the ex-BA 767s to leave)
* Lengthy discussion about the curfew at Sydney Airport and diversions
* Progress on Canberra Airport terminal works
* Virgin Australia's corporate structure and share registry
* Qantas' services to Honolulu
* Qantas announces all weekday MEL/SYD-PER services to be operated by A330s come May 2013
* QF crew bases
* HiFly's A340-300 and operations
* Sydney - Dallas, Dallas - Brisbane/Sydney load factors for Sep 2012
* Future flights to Dallas from both Brisbane and Sydney - for and against discussion
* Emirates cancels an EK4143 service
* Update on Qantas' refurbishment of some of the 767-300 fleet
* Thai Airways operates a number of 747 charter flights
* China Southern rumoured to be suspending Perth services from April 2013
* Qantas reportedly set to upgrade/refurbish its Internationally-configured A330s
* CAPA reports that Aerolineas services to SYD are now profitable post elimination of AKL stopover
* Euroatlantic 777-200ER visits Sydney operating NAN services on behalf of Air Pacific
* Qatar Airways loads 787 on its PER-DOH route in GDS/booking engine
* Brindabella Airlines confirms it'll enter the Sydney-Orange market from February 2013
* Wagners gains approval to build a jet-capable Airport on the outer skirts of Toowoomba
* JetGo reportedly looking to operate ERJ services out of Bundaberg to Brisbane and Sydney
* Virgin Australia expresses its desire to operate in to regional QLD markets such as Roma
* Air New Zealand 'Hobbit' livery (777-300ER ZK-OKP) makes it debut on Australian services
* Air Canada reportedly looking at expanding services to MEL
* Singapore Airlines announces new fourth daily MEL service
* Etihad signs a $6m, three year partnership with Tourism Australia
* Qantas starts selling EK operated codeshare flights to MAN and MXP on its website
* China Southern reportedly keen to operate Australia or NZ services to South America
* QF21 SYD-NRT 17DEC12 diverts to CNS due to disruptive passenger
* QF8 diverts to Auckland
* CASA supends Barrier Aviation's (based in Far North Queensland) AOC

Thanks for supporting the Australian Aviation Thread throughout 2012, wishing everyone a very happy and prosperous New Year         

Cheers

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: QF175
Posted 2012-12-30 02:56:29 and read 27289 times.

TravelDaily from 17DEC12 suggests China Eastern is keen to expand its Australian presence.

Quote:
MU wants more Aust ports

CHINA Eastern Airlines is the latest carrier to set its sights on Australia, with the rapidly growing airline wanting to boost its current offering of nine weekly services ex Sydney, daily flights ex MEL and three weekly ex CNS.

MU gm Oceania, Kathy Zhang, told TD the airline wants to add more Australian cities to its network as it continues to expand worldwide.

“Stay tuned,” she said.

Article continues...


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Anyone keen to make their 2013 predictions regarding the Australian Aviation industry?

     

     

[Edited 2012-12-30 03:00:37]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: QF175
Posted 2012-12-30 02:59:47 and read 27272 times.

Please delete................

[Edited 2012-12-30 03:01:04]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: tayser
Posted 2012-12-30 05:29:46 and read 27090 times.

Quoting QF175 (Reply 1):
Anyone keen to make their 2013 predictions regarding the Australian Aviation industry?

a few things (MEL related):

Terminals/Airfield/Ground Transport/Planning related:

- The full plans for T3+T4 expansion will be released in the first quarter (I've eye-balled a few renders of the new LCC terminal (T4) where Tiger currently sits already) and construction will start this year - probably a 2 year timeframe for completion.
- Failleu Government's Tulla rail link study will be presented to the government at some point in the year, my tip: Rail link 10 year timeframe, "Albion" corridor option [given that all the airport masterplans are getting more and more detail of how a rail line will approach the terminals] preferred (just like previous studies!).
- Possibly some more whinging from the taxi and road lobbies to get the Airport Drive / 2nd access point (to compliment Tulla FWY access) coming from the Calder FWY off the ground.
- AVV rail link study will also be presented to Failleu, they'll sing its praises and then suddenly find that they dont want to spend the couple of hundred mil on an airport that's getting a mere fraction of the passengers the primary airport gets up the road.
- More noise from Linfox on AVV international terminals (good luck to them..................[crickets]........)
- The NIMBY/Greenie movement will mobilise on longshot Tooradin / 3rd airport for Melbourne.

Flights:

The Americas:
- SA)">UA might unveil plans to start a year round direct non-stop flight with 787s (they're fleet planning most likely underway now in full swing) - hoping for a SFO-MEL,
- VA/DL increase weekly frequencies to LAX, that would require SA)">DL to fly 4x weekly - possibly a longer-than-12-month timeframe.
- possibly more noise from AC on a YVR-MEL route.
- [longshot] noise from LA / AR to start MEL via AKL.

Asia:
- Royal Brunei could cease given they have ceased elsewhere in AU
- More noise from Skymark about NRT/HND-MEL services.
- KE back on seasonal basis
- Full de-linking of the 3rd flight via ADL on CX, (already talked about) - likely to have happen this year or next

NZ:
- probably more related to WLG management itself, but now that Tiger is majority owned by VA (new terms on its AOC?), might see some Tiger flights in and out of WLG to east coast ports (MEL likely starter given the base is here).
- more ZQN frequencies ex MEL.
- one of QF's 3x daily 738 flights on MEL-AKL to be dropped and capacity picked up by EK's 380 flying across the ditch - (similar changes ex BNE and SYD).

Domestic:
- more and more Tiger expansion (or re-expansion? hah),
-- NT: DRW and ASP might come back, would be nice to get one or two weekly frequencies in to AYQ (no non-stops at present)
-- QLD: possibly start TSV (have they flown MEL-TSV before?), HTI (a few a week, JQ 5x week only competition at the moment), possible shift from VA to TT on MCY (and maybe more than the current daily VA frequency, or VA kept on route and Tiger does a few frequencies on top).
-- SA: ramping right back up to pre-grounding frequencies to ADL (currently 2x daily, move toward 4-5x daily)
-- NSW/ACT: like SA / ASA)">DL, ramping frequencies to SYD up to pre-grounding frequencies, possibly restart CBR.
-- WA: a 3rd daily frequency to PER
-- TAS: frequencies increases to HBA and LST
- Qantas mainline:
-- more frequencies non-stop to non-PER ports in WA.
-- shift another JQ frequency to QF on HBA (they've been doing that over 1-2 years now IIRC)
- VA mainline:
-- taking it to QF on MEL-non PER WA ports? BME, KTA possibly?
- JQ:
-- all that needs to be said is that they'll probably make themselves the biggest pain in the arse for any TT expansion as possible.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: eta unknown
Posted 2012-12-30 15:31:39 and read 26747 times.

Quoting tayser (Reply 3):
Asia:
- Royal Brunei could cease given they have ceased elsewhere in AU

At this stage- doubtful. MEL exists purely to feed LHR- without MEL the BWN-DXB-LHR flight would be empty. There was a rumour to restart PER-BWN, but nothing came of it. Similarly, BNE-BWN was much more successful than MEL-BWN, but the decision to keep MEL was completely politically motivated. MEL pax loads are now decent, but the yield so bad the flight breaks even at best purely with help from the cargo revenue.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: QF762
Posted 2012-12-30 16:56:47 and read 26674 times.

I hope everyone had a great Christmas!

I just noticed on BNE-CNS that QF(Link) flies a once weekly B712 on Saturday afternoon (and return CNS-BNE on Sunday morning), but interestingly that the flight only has a scheduled flight time of 2 hr exactly (compared to 2 hr 20 min for the B73H). Is the B712 really that much of a pocket rocket?

Happy and Prosperous New Year to all!

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: Quokkas
Posted 2012-12-30 17:43:05 and read 26625 times.

Having previously promised that an A380-capable gate at PER would be available early next year, to then saying in July that it would be ready "within twelve months", it has now been conceded that the gate will not be available until November next year. So much for expediting things.

Understandably EK is reported to be not all too pleased as they have been forced to set back the hoped-for introduction of the A380 by at least five months. I wonder how much the delay will impact on the tie-up between QF and EK as it was to be expected that QF would be selling seats on EK, hence the initial promise to bring forward the opening of the A380-capable gate.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-...71/airport-setback-holds-up-a380s/

[Edited 2012-12-30 17:44:19]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2012-12-30 20:06:33 and read 26490 times.

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 4):
BNE-BWN was much more successful than MEL-BWN, but the decision to keep MEL was completely politically motivated.

Umm... If BNE was so successful it would have been kept. There was no political reason for MEL to be served instead of BNE.

With BI bringing 787's onto the route soon, it should help in making the route perform better. It had a slow start yes, but yields and pax loads have improved quite well from reports I have heard.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: eta unknown
Posted 2012-12-30 21:56:25 and read 26383 times.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 7):
Umm... If BNE was so successful it would have been kept. There was no political reason for MEL to be served instead of BNE.

100% incorrect. However, your comments are 100% logical though. Again, it was completely political. MEL was supposed to be cancelled 3 months after AKL/BNE/PER but it became VERY political (Bruneian political, not Australian). FYI BNE-BWN was the highest revenue generating route in the network. I know more but unable to post in a public forum.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2012-12-30 22:33:56 and read 26330 times.

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 8):
100% incorrect. However, your comments are 100% logical though. Again, it was completely political. MEL was supposed to be cancelled 3 months after AKL/BNE/PER but it became VERY political (Bruneian political, not Australian). FYI BNE-BWN was the highest revenue generating route in the network. I know more but unable to post in a public forum.

My point is, if BNE was the best performing route, as you indicate, why would they not have kept it and canceled all others? It doesn't add up.

Knowing more is all well and good, but fact is it still exists that they have not moved the flights from MEL to BNE when they very well could do so. They need the feed, and if BNE would give them the best results, it would be flying there.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: texan
Posted 2012-12-30 23:10:56 and read 26266 times.

CASA moved to extend Barrier Aviation's suspension until at least 15 February 2013. The court agreed with CASA and extended the suspension until at least that date.

Texan

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: eta unknown
Posted 2012-12-30 23:26:02 and read 26241 times.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 9):
My point is, if BNE was the best performing route, as you indicate, why would they not have kept it and canceled all others? It doesn't add up.

Knowing more is all well and good, but fact is it still exists that they have not moved the flights from MEL to BNE when they very well could do so. They need the feed, and if BNE would give them the best results, it would be flying there.

Your point is valid. But we're dealing with Bruneian logic (including loss of face for suspending a newly started route), and a certain amount of pride, hence why it doesn't add up. FYI all longhaul flying and MNL was supposed to be suspended.
There is a chance some suspended routes may be brought back if the 5th 787 arrives (there are 5 on order, but RBA might only take 4). All longhaul flying is now operated with 4 leased 777-200's.

[Edited 2012-12-30 23:30:46]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: eaglefarm4
Posted 2012-12-30 23:30:12 and read 26228 times.

I also have had contacts within BI's Australian operations.

BNE was the best performing market in Australia for BI -absolutely.Yes it is political .However i am now hearing that BNE will most likely be reinstated with the 5th 787.

Time will tell.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: maxter
Posted 2012-12-31 00:10:20 and read 26165 times.

WAC strikes again, unbelievable...

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-...71/airport-setback-holds-up-a380s/

Cheers

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2013-01-01 05:37:57 and read 25362 times.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 9):
My point is, if BNE was the best performing route, as you indicate, why would they not have kept it and canceled all others? It doesn't add up.

We are not talking about a private corporation with a profit maximisation objective here. Normal logic doesn't apply.

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 8):
FYI BNE-BWN was the highest revenue generating route in the network.

I'd heard the same. Well, actually I heard that BNE was the only profitable route in the network.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: Ben175
Posted 2013-01-01 07:17:26 and read 25309 times.

Quoting maxter (Reply 13):
WAC strikes again, unbelievable...

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-...71/airport-setback-holds-up-a380s/

Cheers

Absolutely ridiculous! PER has by far the worst airport management in the country.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-02 04:20:41 and read 24923 times.

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 15):
Quoting maxter (Reply 13):
WAC strikes again, unbelievable...

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-...71/airport-setback-holds-up-a380s/

Cheers

Absolutely ridiculous! PER has by far the worst airport management in the country.

Totally agree! PER airport continues to win Australia's worst managed transport infrastructure awards!

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2013-01-02 05:57:45 and read 24864 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 16):
Australia's worst managed transport infrastructure

Woah! That's a big call!!! Airport maybe, but I can think of quite a few poorly managed infrastructure projects 

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-02 11:40:11 and read 24749 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 17):

Ok, I'm giving the opportunity to name 1 worse than PER  I can't think of any at this point unless your referring to MEL but at least they have gone ahead and invested (even though its all patchup work)

My view on the gate situation is the fact the airport management had a clear indication EK would operate the A380 to PER & instead decided to sit around on their rear ends...

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: cupraibiza
Posted 2013-01-02 14:57:35 and read 24628 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 17):
but I can think of quite a few poorly managed infrastructure projects 



Myki - Melbourne's public transport ticketing system.

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 4):
Quoting tayser (Reply 3):
Asia:
- Royal Brunei could cease given they have ceased elsewhere in AU

At this stage- doubtful. MEL exists purely to feed LHR- without MEL the BWN-DXB-LHR flight would be empty. There was a rumour to restart PER-BWN, but nothing came of it. Similarly, BNE-BWN was much more successful than MEL-BWN, but the decision to keep MEL was completely politically motivated. MEL pax loads are now decent, but the yield so bad the flight breaks even at best purely with help from the cargo revenue.

I am in the international freight caper and we use BI for our air freight service LHR-MEL. Average service, But the price is right

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: tullamarine
Posted 2013-01-02 15:09:06 and read 24608 times.

Quoting tayser (Reply 3):
- one of QF's 3x daily 738 flights on MEL-AKL to be dropped and capacity picked up by EK's 380 flying across the ditch - (similar changes ex BNE and SYD).

I doubt the ACCC would look on this very favourably. One of the approval conditions for the QF/EK codeshare arrangement was that there be no lessening of capacity or competition on trans-Tasman services.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-02 15:36:29 and read 24589 times.

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 20):
Quoting tayser (Reply 3):
- one of QF's 3x daily 738 flights on MEL-AKL to be dropped and capacity picked up by EK's 380 flying across the ditch - (similar changes ex BNE and SYD).

I doubt the ACCC would look on this very favourably. One of the approval conditions for the QF/EK codeshare arrangement was that there be no lessening of capacity or competition on trans-Tasman services.

This was one of my original arguments when there was a quote suggesting EK drop an A380 service & in favour of operating a turn around service to DXB instead... The ACCC end of the day will make the final decision & either give the alliance a green light...or bring it back to the negotiating table...

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: sydscott
Posted 2013-01-03 18:47:53 and read 24182 times.

Question for the more technical minded, I flew in on QF2 this morning and when I was in SIN I noticed a QF 744 which had a wingtip winglet missing. I got the rego when we landed in Sydney, VH-OJI, which operated QF6 from Frankfurt. Surely having a winglet on 1 side, and none on the other, would create some compensatory issues for the pilots? It's obviously not a safety issue but the aircraft looked funny in SIN taking off with 1 winglet missing. Surely QF aren't that short of 744's yet?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-04 04:47:49 and read 23889 times.

Quoting sydscott (Reply 22):
B747-400 Without Left Winglet (by Lu Jan 15 2007 in Civil Aviation)#

I probably won't be able answer the technical side but I can shed some light on how VH-OJI ended up with one winglet...

A Qantas Airways Boeing 747 lands at Kingsford Smith International Airport in Australia from Frankfurt via Singapore as QF6.
This bird damaged it's winglet on pushback in Johannesburg after colliding with a blast fence. Subsequently VH-OJI went on to fly to Frankfurt and back, then to Johannesburg with only one winglet.
It is a very rare sight to see a 747-400 with only one winglet, it has happened a few times in the past however.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h8eV...LGm7s&feature=youtube_gdata_player

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-04 20:46:56 and read 23610 times.

QF10 which was enroute to SIN is diverting into DXB due to a medical emergency... Scheduled to arrive into DXB 09:58...

Spotters... Spotters... Spotters...

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: vhqpa
Posted 2013-01-04 22:14:04 and read 23775 times.

It appears Virgin is moving to Sabre next weekend. Looks like the DJ designator might not be in use for much longer.

Quoting Email:

Dear Mr XXXXXXXXXX,

Virgin Australia will be transitioning to a new Sabre booking and check-in system on Saturday 12 January and Sunday 13 January 2013 in order to enhance the travel experience for our customers.

To support this transition, the Velocity Frequent Flyer website (My Account) will be offline from 10.30pm AEDT on Wednesday 9 January to Sunday 13 January 2013. If you plan to make a booking or redeem Points during this time, we encourage you to do so prior to the My Account area of our website being unavailable, as some of our usual member services will not be available, including:

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: Rotation
Posted 2013-01-05 18:38:01 and read 23345 times.

Quoting vhqpa (Reply 25):
Looks like the DJ designator might not be in use for much longer.

Yeah, it says on the website that from 14 January all flights will use designator VA. I was wondering if they were ever going to do that - seems like the answer is "yes!"

That said, it's a long time, I think, to have the Velocity stuff down.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: CXfirst
Posted 2013-01-05 19:24:19 and read 23612 times.

Quoting Rotation (Reply 26):
That said, it's a long time, I think, to have the Velocity stuff down.

I do think they are trying not to rush it too much, thinking that the steadier they do it, the better the result will be. They don't want a system crash, which happened with the old system a bit too often.

Things like staff travel and duty travel have been reduced in this period as well, even work rosters for some have been locked down for the coming weekend in order to make sure everything goes as smoothly as possible.

-CXfirst

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: Ben175
Posted 2013-01-05 22:39:47 and read 23506 times.

Oh wow, I am flying the 8:00pm SYD-PER service on the 13th, looks like I will be onboard the last ever "DJ" coast to coast service.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: sydscott
Posted 2013-01-06 13:28:25 and read 23104 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 23):
A Qantas Airways Boeing 747 lands at Kingsford Smith International Airport in Australia from Frankfurt via Singapore as QF6.
This bird damaged it's winglet on pushback in Johannesburg after colliding with a blast fence. Subsequently VH-OJI went on to fly to Frankfurt and back, then to Johannesburg with only one winglet.
It is a very rare sight to see a 747-400 with only one winglet, it has happened a few times in the past however.

That video was uploaded on Dec 27th. I saw it January 4th. Surely they aren't so short of 744's that they could have fixed a winglet by now?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-06 14:24:54 and read 23024 times.

Quoting sydscott (Reply 29):

I'm aware the video clip was uploaded 27th of December.... I believe QF are short of B744s considering they have been operating double daily SYD-BKK services opposed to upgrading the flight to a B744...

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-07 01:37:19 and read 22642 times.

It appears a QF aircraft has gone u/s in HNL with Qantas ferrying an aircraft tonight to pickup the stranded passengers...

The 2nd ex-BA B763 in the QF fleet is off to the desert 6th of February...

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: qf002
Posted 2013-01-07 02:15:02 and read 22568 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 21):
This was one of my original arguments when there was a quote suggesting EK drop an A380 service & in favour of operating a turn around service to DXB instead

The issue here would be matching capacity and the DXB waves. It just doesn't quite fit together properly and would mean long periods sat on the ground at SYD anyway.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 30):
I believe QF are short of B744s considering they have been operating double daily SYD-BKK services opposed to upgrading the flight to a B744

I'm inclined to say that the BKK example has more to do with crewing issues (ie no flight crew cross qualification across the 747s and A330s) than a shortage of 744s. Given that OJD has been floating around doing random MEL-PER, SYD-DRW etc rotations for the last six weeks, I think it's probably just not a big enough issue to call engineers in for their holidays (at high overtime rates), or they are awaiting spare parts (it's not exactly a high volume item) and things are taking time because of the time of year.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-07 02:24:37 and read 22527 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 32):
The issue here would be matching capacity and the DXB waves. It just doesn't quite fit together properly and would mean long periods sat on the ground at SYD anyway.

With current operations EK have services timed with 3 banks (correct me if I'm wrong)...

Quoting qf002 (Reply 32):
I'm inclined to say that the BKK example has more to do with crewing issues (ie no flight crew cross qualification across the 747s and A330s) than a shortage of 744s. Given that OJD has been floating around doing random MEL-PER, SYD-DRW etc rotations for the last six weeks, I think it's probably just not a big enough issue to call engineers in for their holidays (at high overtime rates), or they are awaiting spare parts (it's not exactly a high volume item) and things are taking time because of the time of year.

So is it safe to say the double daily BKK services are a direct result of crewing issues & not lack of aircraft...? I haven't seen VH-OJD for a while & I've noticed an -400ER type will be operating QF567 SYD-PER on the 25th of January...

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: flylonghaul
Posted 2013-01-07 06:05:55 and read 22317 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 33):
With current operations EK have services timed with 3 banks (correct me if I'm wrong)...

EKs current pattern connects with 2 waves. EK 415 connects well with the mid afternoon wave, 413 and 419 connect with the morning wave. (They arrive 45 minutes apart)
Its a shame they don't operate a a terminator flight that allows connections to the midnight bank for early morning arrivals. I guess QF will cover that option for them come march.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: Mikey86
Posted 2013-01-07 17:59:59 and read 22150 times.

There is talk about making SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD to a SYD-DFW-AKL-SYD routing due to the diversions. Interesting and would suck big time for us BNE folk.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: Mikey86
Posted 2013-01-07 19:21:35 and read 22032 times.

Update - CZ reinstates CAN-PER-CAN services as of 31MAR13 according to TravelDaily on 08JAN13. Just checked availability and I can sell seats on both sectors.

Please see timetable display below:

TN31MARCANPER/ACZ
** AMADEUS TIMETABLE - TN ** PER PERTH.AUWA 31MAR13 07APR13
1 CZ 319 246 CAN PERT1 2145 0600+1 0 02APR13 26OCT13 333 8:15

TN31MARPERCAN/ACZ
** AMADEUS TIMETABLE - TN ** CAN GUANGZHOU.CN 31MAR13 07APR13
1 CZ 320 357 PERT1 CAN 0850 1715 0 31MAR13 25OCT13 333 8:25

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: Ben175
Posted 2013-01-07 22:11:38 and read 21910 times.

Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 36):
Update - CZ reinstates CAN-PER-CAN services as of 31MAR13 according to TravelDaily on 08JAN13. Just checked availability and I can sell seats on both sectors.

A huge relief. It would be a shame for PER to lose its only service to mainland China. I did expect a change in schedule however.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: 9MMPD
Posted 2013-01-08 00:14:14 and read 21773 times.

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 37):
A huge relief. It would be a shame for PER to lose its only service to mainland China. I did expect a change in schedule however.

Or change of aircraft. A333 was a bit ambitious I thought they would have use the A332 instead. Hopefully PER will also be a prime 787 route.

The timings are bad for connections onto Europe which they seem to promote themselves heavily on. I have had friends who have spent many hours at CAN in transit. Not sure how conections are for flights to LAX but CZ seem to also promote themselves.

Any idea how cargo is doing on the route?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: DJMEL
Posted 2013-01-08 01:25:38 and read 21667 times.

From Sunday afternoon the DJ flight code will pass into history!!!

Virgin Australia will officially use VA for all flights!!!

SabreSonic SHOULD be up and running sometime Sunday afternoon - Good Bye Navitaire and Amadeus!

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: flylonghaul
Posted 2013-01-08 01:46:05 and read 21631 times.

Quoting DJMEL (Reply 39):
From Sunday afternoon the DJ flight code will pass into history!!!Virgin Australia will officially use VA for all flights!!!SabreSonic SHOULD be up and running sometime Sunday afternoon - Good Bye Navitaire and Amadeus!

Is this also why I have been hearing the call sign VELOCITY on ATC instead of VIRGIN?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2013-01-08 01:52:05 and read 21648 times.

The fact it took them so long to decide on what they were going to do tends to suggest it has not gone to plan so far.

Even at only 3X weekly, the PER/WA market will need to continue to develop its offering to Chinese tourists if they want this route to work. The market is very different to the East Coast destinations CZ service (MEL/SYD/BNE), which tend to have more of a diverse travel base to work from to China, and as such will be interesting to see what moves they make in the upcoming period.

[Edited 2013-01-08 01:54:40]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-08 04:24:06 and read 21463 times.

Quoting flylonghaul (Reply 34):

Thanks for clarifying...  

It's just amazing how my comments on another forum received criticism suggesting QF time the SYD-LAX/DFW flights to meet up with EK services allowing passengers to connect to DXB services giving a choice to fly both East bound and West bound... Now Mr Clark has the exact same idea up his sleeve! Straight from the horses mouth...

“If the timing is right and the two aircraft meet, with Qantas and Emirates you could go around the world with A380s,” he said yesterday. “I’m sure we could do trans-Pacific business on Qantas metal as part of this overall deal.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...for-pacific-routes.html?cmpid=yhoo

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: Mikey86
Posted 2013-01-08 15:12:08 and read 21272 times.

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 37):

A huge relief. It would be a shame for PER to lose its only service to mainland China. I did expect a change in schedule however.

A change - to tie up to with onward destinations to Europe?

I think CZ wants to target the FIFO business more so than the onward connections. Didn't think that would be the bigger market.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: Mikey86
Posted 2013-01-08 15:13:19 and read 21264 times.

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 37):

A huge relief. It would be a shame for PER to lose its only service to mainland China. I did expect a change in schedule however.

A change - to tie up to with onward destinations to Europe?

I think CZ wants to target the FIFO business more so than the onward connections. Didn't think that would be the bigger market.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: sydscott
Posted 2013-01-08 16:15:41 and read 21201 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 42):
suggesting QF time the SYD-LAX/DFW flights to meet up with EK services allowing passengers to connect to DXB services giving a choice to fly both East bound and West bound

I think that makes perfect sense and I, personally, thought the daytime LAX-SYD service was a fantastic service to travel on. (Midday departure at LAX and evening arrival into SYD). Considering the amount of O&D between Australia and the West Coast of the US, plus immediate States, Mexico etc where it's feasible to make a connection to an earlier service, re-timing one of the SYD-LAX flights to return earlier could make sense if QF also agreed to the round the world service. For DFW I'd stick with the evening departure/morning arrival into Australia schedule until they were ready to add additional services.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: thegeek
Posted 2013-01-08 17:26:57 and read 21131 times.

Re: PER-CAN

Quoting 9MMPD (Reply 38):
A333 was a bit ambitious I thought they would have use the A332 instead.

On paper, it seems that the trip costs are almost the same. Why use the A332 when the A333 can do it comfortably and has more revenue potential?

-
Oct BITRE stats are out:
SYD->DFW: 7855 only 70% LF, assuming 31x 364 seat aircraft. Interesting. Were there cancellations in that month?
DFW->BNE: 4952
DFW->SYD: 3043
71% LF westbound assuming 31x 364 seat aircraft and no restrictions *cough*.

Interesting that westbound had more than eastbound too.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: strangr
Posted 2013-01-10 01:20:33 and read 20550 times.

I wonder if he was carry on or Checked

http://www.theage.com.au/travel/trav...tile-passenger-20130110-2ciu0.html

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-10 03:15:26 and read 20433 times.

Appears the Qantas and China Eastern relationship is getting pretty cozy...

Certainly a clear indication Qantas is brushing off OneWorld partner Cathay Pacific in favor of non-alliance carrier China Eastern...

China Eastern eager to push Qantas tie-up talks
Eager to increase flights and add new destinations to Australia, Qantas Airways Ltd's partner in China, China Eastern, is pushing for progress in longstanding negotiations between the two airlines on forging a deeper commercial relationship, according to The Australian Financial Review.


http://www.businessspectator.com.au/...0130107-3QP22?opendocument&src=rss

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: Tassieboy
Posted 2013-01-10 06:52:40 and read 20229 times.

Anyone hear about the snake on QF191 on Thursday morning? Apologies if it's already been mentioned and I've missed it!  

Source: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/an...-flying-circus-20130110-2cj3g.html

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-10 10:34:03 and read 20198 times.

Quoting Tassieboy (Reply 49):
Anyone hear about the snake on QF191 on Thursday morning? Apologies if it's already been mentioned and I've missed it!  

Source: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/an....html

Yep, it's definitely been brought up...

Quoting strangr (Reply 47):

I wonder if he was carry on or Checked

http://www.theage.com.au/travel/trav....html

R.I.P Mr Snake  EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: eta unknown
Posted 2013-01-10 16:54:00 and read 20075 times.

Quoting sydscott (Reply 45):
I think that makes perfect sense and I, personally, thought the daytime LAX-SYD service was a fantastic service to travel on

It was a fantastic flight, but suffered from huge LAX inbound misconeections during Northern winter.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: TN486
Posted 2013-01-12 02:07:23 and read 19743 times.

Just saw EK A380 A6-EDN come over my home (I live in Berwick) on its way from AKL into MEL. Quite a usual occurrence actually, but I am continually amazed at the quietness of this ac in flight. If I had not been monitoring dataflight24.com I would not have known it was there, very different from the A320's, 738's and Dash 8's that fly over on a daily basis. A very remarkable ac indeed.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: calvo747
Posted 2013-01-12 23:05:57 and read 19332 times.

Jetstar passengers stuck in Honolulu will travel now as JQ1002 departing 7.30pm local time arriving into YMML 4.30am Tuesday morning. Passengers weren't trapped as reported in the herald sun but were stuck on the taxi way while they troubleshooted the issue.

Friends on the plane said accommodation was organised quickly by Jetstar

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: vhqpa
Posted 2013-01-14 03:27:32 and read 18696 times.

Virgin Australia has completed it's transition from Navitaire to Sabre. However their website seems to be a bit unstable at the moment. I get white screens trying to access my PNR's, logging into Velocity and even attempting a booking. They have also changed their fare types:

Saver Lite is a new fare which doesn't include checked baggage, nor will it be possible to purchase checked baggage allowance.

Saver now includes 1x 23kg checked bag with the option to purchase allowance for an additional bags online. Food and Beverages is still buy on board.

Flexi remains the same with 1x 23kg checked bag no change fees, refundable with a fee and complimentry food/beverages.

Business Saver is a new discounted Business class fare with 2x 32kg checked bag allowance, no change fees, priority check in/boarding and lounge access however it is non refundable.

Business is the same as the Business Saver fare however it is fully refundable.

Pre-Assigned seating is now available on all fares at the time of booking.

I must admit I'm not to keen on the checked baggage restrictions on the Saver Lite fare it seems to defy their efforts of the last couple of years to rebrand their image as a more upmarket airline. It reminds me of the old Go fares which weren't changeable.

[Edited 2013-01-14 03:30:07]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: CXfirst
Posted 2013-01-14 03:41:17 and read 18682 times.

Quoting vhqpa (Reply 54):
I must admit I'm not to keen on the checked baggage restrictions on the Saver Lite fare it seems to defy their efforts of the last couple of years to rebrand their image as a more upmarket airline. It reminds me of the old Go fares which weren't changeable.

You can upgrade from Saver lite to Saver at any time. This essentially is purchasing luggage at a later date. However, one cannot purchase additional luggage with a saver fare, if that fare was upgraded from a saver lite (so when you purchase saver lite, you can only upgrade to one bag per passenger, not any more).

However, the bigger change with the fare classes is that it is now the same across domestic, international short-haul and international long-haul, with the exception being that 'saver lite' is only available for domestic (and possibly international short-haul [can't remember quite]).

Having common fare classes across all services is nothing but good.

-CXfirst

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: maxter
Posted 2013-01-14 06:34:32 and read 18559 times.

Another cutting comment on the efforts of the gang at WAC...

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalk...ches-toward-better-things-perhaps/

Cheers,

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-14 11:26:24 and read 18526 times.

Quoting calvo747 (Reply 53):
Jetstar passengers stuck in Honolulu will travel now as JQ1002 departing 7.30pm local time arriving into YMML 4.30am Tuesday morning. Passengers weren't trapped as reported in the herald sun but were stuck on the taxi way while they troubleshooted the issue.

Friends on the plane said accommodation was organised quickly by Jetstar

By looks of it big brother QF have come to the rescue yet again operating a ferry / charter flight QF6403 last night to pickup the stranded passengers...

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: vhebb
Posted 2013-01-15 18:30:16 and read 18039 times.

Qantas brings forward planned A330 SYD-PER increases, all weekday BNE-PER to be refurbished B763s:

http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airl...a-releases/jan-2013/5480/global/en

I noticed from May onwards pretty much all A330 SYD-PER and MEL-PER flights will be operated by the 5 domestic A332s... Possibly freeing up currently used intl A330s to perhaps achieve the speculated intl service increases?

[Edited 2013-01-15 18:31:49]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: Zkpilot
Posted 2013-01-16 04:44:45 and read 17675 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 57):
By looks of it big brother QF have come to the rescue yet again operating a ferry / charter flight QF6403 last night to pickup the stranded passengers...

so JQ keeps the airfares whilst QF bares the costs once again.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: qf002
Posted 2013-01-16 06:20:59 and read 17628 times.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 59):
so JQ keeps the airfares whilst QF bares the costs once again.

I doubt it. Simon Hickey will probably bill JQ for every last cent given that he is now directly accountable for financial results internationally.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: flylonghaul
Posted 2013-01-16 13:23:29 and read 17519 times.

It seems QF5 was delayed last night for 24 hours.
Anyone have any further info as to why?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2013-01-16 14:57:35 and read 17432 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 18):
Ok, I'm giving the opportunity to name 1 worse than PER

I said INFRASTRUCTURE, not "airport"...

In the context of "infrastructure project", that suggests to me that it includes rail, roads etc. Anything [attempted to be] built by NSW Government in the past decade, for example, would make WAC look highly competent.

Quoting Rotation (Reply 26):
That said, it's a long time, I think, to have the Velocity stuff down.
Quoting CXfirst (Reply 27):
I do think they are trying not to rush it too much, thinking that the steadier they do it, the better the result will be

Having personally witnessed the horros of the United cross over last March, I think that VA were very smart to keep things slow.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 32):
OJD has been floating around doing random MEL-PER, SYD-DRW etc rotations for the last six weeks

I thought OJD was a 2-class, non-Y+ bird and therefore only used on domestic flights?

Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 35):
would suck big time for us BNE folk.

        

That said, I would still go xxx-DFW-AKL-BNE over xxx-DFW-LAX-BNE.
As I've intimated before, it's a competition for which one I detest more: AA or LAX.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-16 18:06:36 and read 17313 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 62):
I said INFRASTRUCTURE, not "airport"...

My bad, I miss interpreted it, I meant to say airport & not infrastructure in my original post...

Moving on, ACCC has granted interim authorization for the QF/EK Alliance... The green light will allow both carriers to coordinate around pricing, sales and capacity...
Both carriers can commence marketing and selling on each others networks which is to commence 31 March 2013 with exception of services to & from New Zealand where regulatory approvals are still pending...

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-16 18:21:52 and read 17295 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 62):
Quoting qf002 (Reply 32):
OJD has been floating around doing random MEL-PER, SYD-DRW etc rotations for the last six weeks

I thought OJD was a 2-class, non-Y+ bird and therefore only used on domestic flights?

Correct, -OJD is the sole 2 class B744 in the fleet...

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: qf002
Posted 2013-01-16 18:30:09 and read 17277 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 62):
I thought OJD was a 2-class, non-Y+ bird and therefore only used on domestic flights?

Generally yes, but she's done quite a bit of random international work over the summer (including NRT, JNB, SIN-FRA). I imagine she's quite useful over the summer when premium traffic is down -- W pax can be seated in J with W service and they can fit an extra 100 Y pax.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: sydscott
Posted 2013-01-16 18:36:44 and read 17283 times.

An interesting tidbit from the IASC - http://www.iasc.gov.au/applications/index.aspx

There are currently 2 route cases involving codeshare capacity to Italy and, frankly, QF and VA are in, for want of a better word, a pissing contest about allocation of the capacity. Currently QF holds 1,000 seats per week of codeshare capacity which it uses with Cathay Pacific and this represents all of the available capacity short of running your own flights. There are two lots up for grabs;

Lot 1 - QF's authorisation on 600 seats is coming up to expire and QF have applied for a renewal. Virgin has applied for half of this capacity to be allocated to them in order to codeshare on Singapore Airlines and Etihad services to Italy. What makes this interesting is that usually these are simply renewed in favour of the incumbent but Virgin has been making a concerted push, as all of the correspondence on the website demonstrates, to persuade the Commission to give them some. What's interesting is that the initial applicaitons for renewal were made in September and, as of today, there is still not a final decision from the Commission. Even in all of the hard fought Indonesia Route Cases in the past the IASC has made capacity orders quicker than they have in this case which probably means that whichever side loses you will see some sort of legal action.

Lot 2 - QF has applied to transfer 400 seats of codeshare capacity from Cathay Pacific codeshare to Emirates codeshare. Bear in mind that the actual authority relating to the 400 seats is not up for renewal or expiring, QF are just applying for a variation. What's interesting is that in this case, rather than using the argument that the Italy route is in start up mode, VA are using an argument that between Emirates and Qantas they will control just over 50% of the Australia - Italy market. It'll be interesting to see how this argument washes with the IASC and whether or not the IASC asks for input fom the ACCC given the ACCC's interim decision on the QF/EK alliance.

Certainly it represents an enhancement of the hostilities by VA against QF in relation to the QF/EK deal which is to be expected. (Even if I do find it hypocritical given VA's deals with EY and SQ)

I'll be particularly interested to see what happens if QF loses part of its capacity to VA. The only way to make it back up would be for QF to start flying again to Italy on its own right and for EK to codeshare on the QF service. (The reverse of what is currently proposed to Europe) It would certainly make life more interesting for QF/EK!

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-16 19:43:17 and read 17198 times.

Quoting sydscott (Reply 66):
Lot 1 - QF's authorisation on 600 seats is coming up to expire and QF have applied for a renewal. Virgin has applied for half of this capacity to be allocated to them in order to codeshare on Singapore Airlines and Etihad services to Italy.

Just wanna wrap my head around it, QF have 1000 seats & of the 1000 seats 600 are up for grabs...?

Quoting sydscott (Reply 66):
Lot 2 - QF has applied to transfer 400 seats of codeshare capacity from Cathay Pacific codeshare to Emirates codeshare. Bear in mind that the actual authority relating to the 400 seats is not up for renewal or expiring, QF are just applying for a variation

Im guessing this answers my question... So QF have 400 seats which are definitely theirs and they can simply shuffle the allocation as they please pending authorization from IASC...?

Quoting sydscott (Reply 66):
Certainly it represents an enhancement of the hostilities by VA against QF in relation to the QF/EK deal which is to be expected. (Even if I do find it hypocritical given VA's deals with EY and SQ)

Very well said...

Quoting sydscott (Reply 66):
I'll be particularly interested to see what happens if QF loses part of its capacity to VA. The
only way to make it back up would be for QF to start flying again to Italy on its own right and for EK to codeshare on the QF service. (The reverse of what is currently proposed to Europe) It would certainly make life more interesting for QF/EK!

So in a nutshell if by any case QF loses part of the capacity they can easily claim the seats back by operating the route with their own aircraft (B787)...? therefore VA have no argument unless they decide to operate the route too...

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: sydscott
Posted 2013-01-16 20:40:01 and read 17145 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 67):
Just wanna wrap my head around it, QF have 1000 seats & of the 1000 seats 600 are up for grabs...?

Correct.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 67):
Im guessing this answers my question... So QF have 400 seats which are definitely theirs and they can simply shuffle the allocation as they please pending authorization from IASC...?

Again correct. Normally this would go through without a hitch but VA is determined to argue the point.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 67):
So in a nutshell if by any case QF loses part of the capacity they can easily claim the seats back by operating the route with their own aircraft (B787)...? therefore VA have no argument unless they decide to operate the route too...

Again correct. The 1,000 relate to codeshares only and QF has held the bulk of them since they discontinued service to Italy. The only other airline to hold part of them was Ansett International which was going to use them for a SQ codeshare but didn't get around to it before they went bust. The register of available capacity shows 7 unused frequencies available for any aircraft type without restriction except for supersonic aircraft. So again, if VA lost they could always start the route themselves. In fact I don't know why they don't. EY only flies to Milan daily, not to Rome and is constrained by the UAE/Italy bilateral, (as is Emirates by the way), from expanding any further. With only 7 frequencies and no real intention of the Italian Government to expand available capacity if I was Virgin or QF I'd jump all over it and use it, over the Middle East, to bolster their position. Surely with their respective Partner networks they could make it profitable.............

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: mariner
Posted 2013-01-16 21:03:33 and read 17149 times.

Quoting sydscott (Reply 68):
With only 7 frequencies and no real intention of the Italian Government to expand available capacity if I was Virgin or QF I'd jump all over it and use it, over the Middle East, to bolster their position. Surely with their respective Partner networks they could make it profitable.............

  

Oh, for an A330 or two based at DXB and flying to a couple of European cities two or three times a week.

BUT - I'm not holding my breath.  

mariner

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: sydscott
Posted 2013-01-16 21:54:32 and read 17098 times.

Quoting mariner (Reply 69):
Oh, for an A330 or two based at DXB and flying to a couple of European cities two or three times a week.

BUT - I'm not holding my breath.

mariner

It would actually be an interesting way for QF to base a couple of A332's in DXB. If they did this they would be able to serve;

Paris CDG - 6 times per week under the Australian bilateral;
Rome/Milan - a total of 7 services per week depending on EK requirements;
Berlin/Frankfurt/Germany in general - 25 times per week.

Considering EK is constrained under the UAE/German bilateral it would be interesting to see QF add Berlin on their behalf along with other destinations.

VA could also try the same thing with EY as well. Certainly a way to help a bilateral constrained strategic partner expand their services in Europe and in EY's case it would be interesting to see VA and AB hookup.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: thegeek
Posted 2013-01-16 22:09:09 and read 17055 times.

Quoting sydscott (Reply 70):
Paris CDG - 6 times per week under the Australian bilateral;

That's only 1pw short of the daily service that they crave. Is the bilateral in "seats" terms rather than flights, so using an A332 allows more frequencies?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: Mikey86
Posted 2013-01-16 22:17:22 and read 17072 times.

China Southern Airlines has just announed services 5 weekly on CAN-BNE-CAN now!!!

Please see Amadeus Timetable display below:

>tn1aprbnecan/acz
TN1APRBNECAN
** AMADEUS TIMETABLE - TN ** CAN GUANGZHOU.CN 01APR13 08APR13
1 CZ 382 X57 BNE CAN 0955 1700 0 01APR13 26OCT13 333 9:05

>tn1aprcanbne/acz
TN1APRCANBNE/ACZ
** AMADEUS TIMETABLE - TN ** BNE BRISBANE.AUQL 01APR13 08APR13
1 CZ 381 X46 CAN BNE 2115 0825+1 0 31MAR13 25OCT13 333 9:10

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: Quokkas
Posted 2013-01-17 02:38:15 and read 16879 times.

Quoting sydscott (Reply 70):
Considering EK is constrained under the UAE/German bilateral it would be interesting to see QF add Berlin on their behalf along with other destinations.

The Australia -Germany Bilateral provides access to FRA only, unless there is a recent amendment in force.

Quote:
II. Route to be operated by an airline designated by the Commonwealth of Australia:

From Australia, via points in Indonesia, Singapore or Malaya, Thailand, Burma or Ceylon, India, Pakistan, Middle East, South and South-East Europe to Frankfurt/M. and beyond to the Netherlands and/or to the United Kingdom, in both directions.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/other/dfat/treaties/1959/2.html

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-17 02:41:56 and read 16884 times.

Quoting sydscott (Reply 68):

Cheers, thanks for confirming...

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 73):
The Australia -Germany Bilateral provides access to FRA only, unless there is a recent amendment in force.

If my memory serves me well, QF amended the Australia - Germany bilateral prior to the QF/EK Alliance announcement...?

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: Quokkas
Posted 2013-01-17 03:24:00 and read 16798 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 74):
If my memory serves me well, QF amended the Australia - Germany bilateral prior to the QF/EK Alliance announcement...?

I have tried an online search for an amendment but without success. But I do recall there being discussion of QF ending its flights to FRA from October, leaving passengers to either back-track from LHR or use codeshare flights on EK.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: qf002
Posted 2013-01-17 03:26:48 and read 16798 times.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 71):
That's only 1pw short of the daily service that they crave. Is the bilateral in "seats" terms rather than flights, so using an A332 allows more frequencies?

Kind of -- smaller aircraft count less towards the capacity allowan than larger ones. Difficult to explain, you should be able to figure it out scrolling down to France on the IASC Register of Available Capacity (which can be found here).

If they used 738s then they would be allowed to fly in daily...

Quoting EK413 (Reply 74):
If my memory serves me well, QF amended the Australia - Germany bilateral prior to the QF/EK Alliance announcement...?

Don't think so -- the last supplements were in 1996 and 1998 apparently. There was a lot of discussion here about how Germany might respond if EK tried to use QF to gain more German capacity, perhaps that's what you're thinking of?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: a36001
Posted 2013-01-17 03:44:42 and read 16909 times.

Does anyone know what the internal thoughts at JQ and QF would be regarding the problems the 787 is having? Not impressed - expected - not surprised - Oh what's next?  

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: qf002
Posted 2013-01-17 04:05:16 and read 16874 times.

Quoting a36001 (Reply 77):
Does anyone know what the internal thoughts at JQ and QF would be regarding the problems the 787 is having? Not impressed - expected - not surprised - Oh what's next?

Apparently they are still 'confident' in a 2013 EIS regardless of the issues. Fairfax published this article yesterday -- not sure if the attitude will have changed with more recent events.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: a36001
Posted 2013-01-17 04:14:17 and read 16882 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 78):

Thanks for the link, really looking forward to seeing them in QF/JQ colours.  

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: QF175
Posted 2013-01-17 06:53:28 and read 16847 times.

This is pretty big news!

QantasLink
- Additional five 717-200s, delivery commencing second half of this year
- Additional three Q400s (74 seats), delivery commencing second half of this year

Jetstar
- Firm order for one 787 cancelled

Quote:
Qantas cancels Dreamliner order in readiness for Jetstar long-haul slowdown

QANTAS is hedging against slower growth in Jetstar's long-haul operations by cancelling a firm order for one of the low-cost carrier's Boeing 787 Dreamliners.

But it is boosting its domestic fleet with the addition of five 125-seat Boeing 717 aircraft and three 74-seat Bombardier Q400s, with deliveries slated to start in the second half of the year.

The new domestic aircraft will be used to pursue growth opportunities in short-haul markets such as Queensland and Western Australia.

Article source - The Australian

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: sydscott
Posted 2013-01-17 13:40:52 and read 16740 times.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 71):
That's only 1pw short of the daily service that they crave. Is the bilateral in "seats" terms rather than flights, so using an A332 allows more frequencies?

Yeah it's a calculation based on the number of seats on an aircraft. With only 3 frequencies available an A332 in QF International config takes up .5 of a frequency per week hence they could do 6 per week.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 73):
The Australia -Germany Bilateral provides access to FRA only, unless there is a recent amendment in force.

Then reverse it and EK could do the BER part and QF could do the FRA part. Either way it works.   The IASC register of available capacity doesn't state restrictions on cities able to be served in Germany.

Quoting QF175 (Reply 80):
- Firm order for one 787 cancelled

Hardly surprising although I'd have thought that if Jetstar had spare 788's that QF mainline could have made use of them either for domestic services or for regional ones.

Good news re the new 717's and Dash 4's though, it highlights where QF is making $$$.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: gemuser
Posted 2013-01-17 14:44:44 and read 16694 times.

Quoting sydscott (Reply 81):
Good news re the new 717's

Where are the MD95s coming from? Anybody know?

Gemuser

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-17 15:08:40 and read 16680 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 76):
Don't think so -- the last supplements were in 1996 and 1998 apparently. There was a lot of discussion here about how Germany might respond if EK tried to use QF to gain more German capacity, perhaps that's what you're thinking of?

I'm not 100% certain, I know the discussion revolved around the German routes & was just prior to the Alliance announcement...

Quoting a36001 (Reply 77):

Does anyone know what the internal thoughts at JQ and QF would be regarding the problems the 787 is having? Not impressed - expected - not surprised - Oh what's next?

From what I've read and heard QF management are very confident in the B787 & looking forward to receiving the 1st aircraft this year...

Quoting QF175 (Reply 80):
- Additional five 717-200s, delivery commencing second half of this year
- Additional three Q400s (74 seats), delivery commencing second half of this year

Perhaps the aircraft will be sourced from an American carrier...? Air Tran..?

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: tullamarine
Posted 2013-01-17 15:30:03 and read 16684 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 83):
Perhaps the aircraft will be sourced from an American carrier...? Air Tran..?

I think all of the AirTran 717s are going to Delta but Mexicana/Click had a number of 717s that remain unallocated since it went under.

QF are bolstering up its FIFO ops in the face of Skywest that will be more formidable once it comes fully under VA's control.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: sydscott
Posted 2013-01-17 16:19:30 and read 16654 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 83):
Perhaps the aircraft will be sourced from an American carrier...? Air Tran..?

They're leasing rather than acquiring them so I presume the aircraft are already owned by a leasing company somewhere. Are the ones coming out of AirTran all going to Delta or are some being returned to their lessor?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: TN486
Posted 2013-01-18 01:58:29 and read 16391 times.

It would appear at this time MEL is going to see 2 EK A380 tonight, currently EK 407 on approach from AKL, and EK 413, normally AKL - SYD - DXB is heading for MEL over the Alpine National Park and is currently losing height, and not travelling real fast, so I suspect a divert to MEL.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: CXfirst
Posted 2013-01-18 02:23:12 and read 16319 times.

Quoting TN486 (Reply 86):

It would appear at this time MEL is going to see 2 EK A380 tonight, currently EK 407 on approach from AKL, and EK 413, normally AKL - SYD - DXB is heading for MEL over the Alpine National Park and is currently losing height, and not travelling real fast, so I suspect a divert to MEL.

Wonder why? First thought was heat, but that would have died down significantly by departure time.

It looks like a planned diversion, as the route takes it straight to MEL, rather than turn around and land in SYD.

-CXfirst

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: ZKOKQ
Posted 2013-01-18 02:27:23 and read 16315 times.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 87):
Wonder why? First thought was heat, but that would have died down significantly by departure time.

It looks like a planned diversion, as the route takes it straight to MEL, rather than turn around and land in SYD.

-CXfirst

Maybe MEL was planned before departure? Very weird. If it was heat why not go BNE? Wouldnt that work better?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: ZuluAlpha
Posted 2013-01-18 06:13:32 and read 16168 times.

Quoting TN486 (Reply 86):

It would appear at this time MEL is going to see 2 EK A380 tonight, currently EK 407 on approach from AKL, and EK 413, normally AKL - SYD - DXB is heading for MEL over the Alpine National Park and is currently losing height, and not travelling real fast, so I suspect a divert to MEL.
Quoting CXfirst (Reply 87):
Wonder why? First thought was heat, but that would have died down significantly by departure time.

It looks like a planned diversion, as the route takes it straight to MEL, rather than turn around and land in SYD.
Quoting ZKOKQ (Reply 88):
Maybe MEL was planned before departure? Very weird. If it was heat why not go BNE? Wouldnt that work better?

There was a strong Southerly wind change at SYD late this evening, There were a few QF flights that did an air turnback and one reroute tonight due to the poor weather (AKL SYD diverted to CBR, OOL SYD returned to OOL, BNE SYD returned to BNE and MEL SYD returned to MEL).

So I guess the EK flight was a part of the problem

[Edited 2013-01-18 06:14:30]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: qf002
Posted 2013-01-18 06:49:25 and read 16120 times.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 87):
Wonder why? First thought was heat, but that would have died down significantly by departure time.

Probably to do with the severe weather warning that was in place this evening as the cold front came through. It didn't end up being particularly bad, but there were definitely some dangerous conditions for half an hour or so (strong northerly wind, rain coming down horizontally etc).

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: TN486
Posted 2013-01-18 19:50:34 and read 15867 times.

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 89):
There was a strong Southerly wind change at SYD late this evening
Quoting qf002 (Reply 90):
Probably to do with the severe weather warning that was in place this evening as the cold front came through. It didn't end up being particularly bad, but there were definitely some dangerous conditions for half an hour or so (strong northerly wind, rain coming down horizontally etc).

Had a look at the historical on flightradar24.com, EK413 attempted an approach from the North, aborted that, went to base leg for a 2nd approach from the north, then gave up and skipped to MEL.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: CXfirst
Posted 2013-01-18 21:18:47 and read 15790 times.

Quoting TN486 (Reply 91):
Had a look at the historical on flightradar24.com, EK413 attempted an approach from the North, aborted that, went to base leg for a 2nd approach from the north, then gave up and skipped to MEL.

Ah, ok. I didn't realize it was the flight coming in from AKL that wasn't able to land. I thought it had departed SYD for DXB and for some reason diverted to MEL.

Thanks for the clarification.

-CXfirst

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: eaglefarm4
Posted 2013-01-19 02:38:30 and read 15561 times.

BNE airport had a 4.5% growth in 2012 to just over 21.5 million pax.

Source BAC news.

Today Alliance received their 4th Fokker 70 when F70 registered YR-KMB landed in full Carpatair colours.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: thegeek
Posted 2013-01-20 18:00:59 and read 14998 times.

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 89):
AKL SYD diverted to CBR,

Really? I thought there were issues with doing this due to a lack of customs at CBR.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: ZuluAlpha
Posted 2013-01-21 03:09:44 and read 14606 times.

Also on a separate issue, on an Q&A for the staff at QF, they advise that the codeshare flights with EK (excluding the already MAN and MXP flights) should be up in about a week, with airfares

Quoting thegeek (Reply 94):
Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 89):
AKL SYD diverted to CBR,

Really? I thought there were issues with doing this due to a lack of customs at CBR.

They were hoping for for a splash and dash .. to try and make SYD before curfew. I do admit I am not sure of the end result, if it made it

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: Jetair99
Posted 2013-01-21 04:01:46 and read 14540 times.

Hi all   

New aussie here, hope to be fairly active in this thread, amongst others!



Anyone had any experience with booking through Virgin's new Sabre system?

I had to feel my way around it a little the other day, particularly with the baggage add-ons.
As a point of interest, the saver-light fare doesn't allow for online baggage purchase at all, which is curious.

I would have thought they'd try and minimise the confusion, not maximise it!

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: QF175
Posted 2013-01-21 04:16:26 and read 14500 times.

Quoting Jetair99 (Reply 96):

Let me be the first to say welcome and look forward to more of your posts..

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: thegeek
Posted 2013-01-21 18:18:27 and read 14243 times.

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 95):
They were hoping for for a splash and dash .. to try and make SYD before curfew. I do admit I am not sure of the end result, if it made it

Looks like this flight confused flightware - shows them landing at SYD then taking off for CBR, but it seems that they did actually make it back in spite of these errors. I guess if they didn't make the curfew they could then go to MEL or BNE.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: allrite
Posted 2013-01-21 20:58:07 and read 14143 times.

Quoting sydscott (Reply 70):
It would actually be an interesting way for QF to base a couple of A332's in DXB.

I thought Qantas was going to move all it's services to the new "all A380" terminal in DXB.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-21 21:37:16 and read 14099 times.

Quoting allrite (Reply 99):

Quoting sydscott (Reply 70):
It would actually be an interesting way for QF to base a couple of A332's in DXB.

I thought Qantas was going to move all it's services to the new "all A380" terminal in DXB.

I believe the original quote was referring to EK constrained under the UAE / Germany bilateral, therefore QF could base A330's in DXB & operate various European routes such as DXB-BER for example...

Quoting sydscott (Reply 70):
It would actually be an interesting way for QF to base a couple of A332's in DXB. If they did this they would be able to serve;

Paris CDG - 6 times per week under the Australian bilateral;
Rome/Milan - a total of 7 services per week depending on EK requirements;
Berlin/Frankfurt/Germany in general - 25 times per week.

Considering EK is constrained under the UAE/German bilateral it would be interesting to see QF add Berlin on their behalf along with other destinations.
EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: MilesDependent
Posted 2013-01-22 22:22:42 and read 13517 times.

It seems that Air Services have put ATIS data behind a paywall. Is there another source for this? I can't seem to find it.

There is this on twitter which is all I can find:
https://twitter.com/yssyatis/status/293962554970095616

This link seems to indicate that AirServices don't provide it for free anymore.
https://twitter.com/yssyatis/status/266290402863243264

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: TheCommodore
Posted 2013-01-23 01:14:58 and read 13463 times.

Qantas to cut jobs after contract loss !

Yet more jobs to go, although how many has not yet been established,

http://www.smh.com.au/business/qanta...-contract-loss-20130123-2d768.html

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: ZKOKQ
Posted 2013-01-23 01:51:48 and read 13386 times.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 102):

If this helps keep Qantas alive, I am for it. The company needs to be put first. And that means staying profitable.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-23 02:17:56 and read 13345 times.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 102):

Not much can be done considering QF lost another ground handling contract... From a business perspective makes sense for NZ to switch to an agent which hanles it's interline partner VA/SQ...

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: QF175
Posted 2013-01-23 04:16:38 and read 13210 times.

This is fantastic news and it's really pleasing to hear the project has been completed (it seemed to fly under the radar after it was announced some time ago).

Aircraft graveyard completed in Alice Springs

Quote:
Allyson Horn

Posted Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:21pm AEDT

The first aircraft graveyard to be built outside of the United States has been completed in Alice Springs.

The facility at the Alice Springs Airport will store and recycle old planes from across the world.

Tom Vincent from Asia Pacific Aircraft Storage says negotiations are underway to have planes stored at the site.

"It's a milestone for us to have finished the development and we're looking forward to getting busy accepting aircraft," he said.

"We're now in the process of discussing our offerings to airlines and lessors throughout the world."

Source - ABC News

It would be great to see QF aircraft leaving the fleet over the next year or so ending up in Alice Springs!

http://www.apas.com.au/Images/Services/Storage.jpg

Images courtesy APAS | Asia Pacific Aircraft Storage - Source

[Edited 2013-01-23 04:20:28]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: eta unknown
Posted 2013-01-23 20:09:00 and read 12905 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 104):
Not much can be done considering QF lost another ground handling contract... From a business perspective makes sense for NZ to switch to an agent which hanles it's interline partner VA/SQ...

Ah but was it intentionally lost in order to shred staff? The same thing happened a few years ago- QF management purposely submitted bids that were so out of the ballpark they "lost" a bunch of ground handling contracts. Then QF turned around to the unions and said they had to shed jobs because there was now no work for these staff. It only became public knowledge after PAL leaked it to the Sydney Morning Herald as to why they had to find a new contractor as their new QF rates were about 200% increased.

I heard the QF NZ contarct was a month-to-month arrangement with a 30 day notice clause and NZ switched to Menzies.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: sydscott
Posted 2013-01-23 20:58:11 and read 12844 times.

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 106):
and NZ switched to Menzies.

To quote from the posted article link;

Air New Zealand made a decision in November to contract Toll Dnata to do the work.

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 106):
Ah but was it intentionally lost in order to shred staff?

I think the real question is whether or not it is profitable for QF to do it and does it make a commercial return. If not, ditch it and join the outsourcers like CX, NZ and others have.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: a320fan
Posted 2013-01-23 22:53:53 and read 12734 times.

Was playing around with Virgins new Sabre system earlier today. It is not much different, but there are a few small things that could do with some refining, mainly graphically. It's great that you can now make a seat pre-selection at booking. For no charge too. Unlike Jetstar and Tiger.

I am planning on spending a day flying a Mel-Syd-Cbr-Mel triangle as I have yet to fly Virgin Australia. (Flew the old Virgin Blue several time's) The reason I chose that routing was because I will get to fly 2 new aircraft types in the ATR and E-190, as well as the good old 737. The only thing I'm not sure on is what would be the best minimum time between flights in Sydney? The flights I am considering have 2 hours and 10 minutes between them. I would have checked in online before leaving home, so there should be no reason to leave the secure area.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-23 23:01:23 and read 12725 times.

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 106):

I'm not in a position to comment...

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: ZKOKQ
Posted 2013-01-24 02:19:07 and read 12482 times.

Anyone know the reason for the 3 hour delay to EK434 BNE - AKL this morning?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: vhebb
Posted 2013-01-24 02:41:24 and read 12460 times.

Now that all the QF/EK flight options have been loaded I cant help but notice that you cant book any QF metal flights from BNE, PER, and ADL to LHR/Europe only EK options are displayed.. I thought they would still offer via SIN connecting onto BA, or even domestic connections to the QF flights from SYD/MEL.

If this is the case I don't see how QF is gonna keep flights to SIN with no connections at all...

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-24 04:20:51 and read 12358 times.

Quoting ZKOKQ (Reply 110):

EK407 had a problem after take off yesterday, the pilot deeming the aircraft "unsafe", the aircraft circled around MEL, dumping fuel before landing safety back at MEL. No one onboard was harmed in anyway.... Possible due to the MEL airturn back...?

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: a320fan
Posted 2013-01-24 04:34:00 and read 12331 times.

Quoting vhebb (Reply 111):
I don't see how QF is gonna keep flights to SIN with no connections at all...

I believe they are selling connections to Jetstar Asia flights. A flawed model if you ask me, as there are much higher quality options, and if your flying to SIN with a full service carrier your not going to appreciate your connection been onto the JQ product.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: qf002
Posted 2013-01-24 04:41:01 and read 12332 times.

Quoting vhebb (Reply 111):
I thought they would still offer via SIN connecting onto BA, or even domestic connections to the QF flights from SYD/MEL.

The codeshares still exist, but you probably can't access them unless you're booking a multi stop itinerary and want to stopover in Asia for a few days.

Quoting vhebb (Reply 111):
If this is the case I don't see how QF is gonna keep flights to SIN with no connections at all...

The whole idea behind retiming their flights to SIN is to make better use of regional connections, which have been very difficult with the existing late night arrivals which were geared towards morning arrivals in Europe.

So they will lose a big chunk of traffic connecting through to LHR but will hopefully open themselves up to a lot of traffic connecting across Asia instead. That said, I find it hard to believe that 3K is really a viable way to carry that connecting traffic, but QF is so conservative these days that they rarely make major missteps.

They've spoken publicly about CX/KA so I would expect the longer term focus to be at HKG. It's a more premium destination for them, and is far better placed geographically to access the areas where QF struggles (ie China and North Asia). India will be better served nonstop in the future, but isn't of such urgent concern.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: jrfspa320
Posted 2013-01-24 21:23:35 and read 12019 times.

I agree...shame they got rid of the BA/SIN option......i would much rather this over the awful transit in DXB. Especially as BA are introducing the 77W on the route....
The EK 777s are fine DXB-Europe..but 10 abreat DXB-Oz, no thanks. Fine if you live in SYD/MEL and can fly QF all the way but BNE/ADL/PER I actually would prefer the QF 330s to EK777s.
Living in DRW i see the new route to LHR is via SYD/MEL.....great! Luckly i've already booked a trip this year routing via SIN on JQ/BA....at least its much more direct, nice transit and get the BA 77W.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: BNE
Posted 2013-01-25 01:23:00 and read 11843 times.

Great move by Qantas.

Qantas will remove its code from a range of Jetstar-operated domestic flights with immediate effect in a bid to “increase transparency” in the booking process.

The airline will take its code off Jetstar services between Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth.


More here, Qantas takes code off Jetstar routes

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: ZKOKQ
Posted 2013-01-25 03:02:50 and read 11683 times.

Quoting BNE (Reply 116):

Fantastic, another move to be trusted! I love seeing all these little steps the company is taking to improve!

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: smi0006
Posted 2013-01-25 04:16:30 and read 11611 times.

Quoting sydscott (Reply 107):
I think the real question is whether or not it is profitable for QF to do it and does it make a commercial return. If not, ditch it and join the outsourcers like CX, NZ and others have.
Quoting eta unknown (Reply 106):
Ah but was it intentionally lost in order to shred staff? The same thing happened a few years ago- QF management purposely submitted bids that were so out of the ballpark they "lost" a bunch of ground handling contracts.

I think this move will be generally well received by QF ground crew. I do not believe that a package has been offered to them in a while, cabin crew have been offered a few over the years but only one or two for ground staff. I know a number of older staff have been busting for a package. Those staff that aren't ready to retire will be happy to take a nice big package, retain full staff travel and move across to TDAS for a bit less money and the chance of quicker career progression. I also believe this means TollDnata takes over Menzies as the largest ground handling agency in Australia.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: tim
Posted 2013-01-25 04:25:26 and read 11620 times.

As a perthian QR will get the nod for me on flighs to Europe. 9 abreast in their 777's versus 10 for Ek certainly can make it a bit more comfortable in cattle. Amazing what a bit of marketing can do for EK I can't think of anything world class about being crammed 10 abreast Perth-Europe in y on one of their 777's when their competition do it with 9 for the same price

Although EK with 3 daily and SQ 4 dailys from Perth they have the upper hand for frequency.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: qf002
Posted 2013-01-25 04:30:18 and read 11611 times.

Quoting BNE (Reply 116):
Great move by Qantas

I suspect this move has got more to do with taking the cheaper fares out of QF's booking system than 'increasing transparency'.

Still good to see though -- I wonder when/if this will be rolled out further.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: QF175
Posted 2013-01-25 06:04:09 and read 11571 times.

Here's some news of significance..

JAL in talks over Brisbane return

Quote:
24 January, 2013 Steve Jones

Japan Airlines is continuing to ponder a return to Brisbane as airport officials insisted demand remains for the reintroduction of direct services to Tokyo.

The carrier withdrew from Queensland in late 2010 after more than two decades of services. The suspension was part of a wider restructure at JAL which saw it withdraw from 15 international destinations.

But the carrier always insisted it would seek to reinstate Brisbane to its network once its restructure was complete - possibly using 787 aircraft - and it returned to profitability, which it has now done.

A spokeswoman for Brisbane Airport confirmed officials were in talks with JAL and said a return of direct services had the backing of the Queensland Government and business leaders.

"We are in discussions with Japan Airlines. We cannot confirm anything at this stage but those discussions are on-going," she told Travel Today. "Demand is still there and there is a groundswell of support both from the Government and business community."

She stressed the airline's withdrawal back in 2010 was never about a lack of demand but part of a wider restructure.


Travelweekly - Source

and...

PAL to Perth?

Quote:
Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Philippine Airlines (PAL) is expected to start flying to Perth, Western Australia in February.

Airline officials have been in Perth talking to service suppliers on proposed A320 services operating Perth-Darwin-Manila with a start-up as soon as 18 February.

Services by Philippine Airlines using this route were first proposed some 25 years ago. Presumably, aviation economics have improved since then.

The Philippines is reasonably popular with Western Australians for both business and leisure. A direct air service will help.


Aircargo Asia Pacific - Source

 

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: Ben175
Posted 2013-01-25 07:59:06 and read 11531 times.

PAL to PER!? That is something you wouldn't expect to hear. DRW is quite a significant backtrack too, DPS would make a much more viable fuel stop.

Anyone know why today (25/1) QF569 SYD-PER was operated by 744 VH-OEE today? The aircraft is now idle at PER away from the terminal according to Plane Finder.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: QF175
Posted 2013-01-25 08:17:34 and read 11509 times.

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 122):
Anyone know why today (25/1) QF569 SYD-PER was operated by 744 VH-OEE today? The aircraft is now idle at PER away from the terminal according to Plane Finder.

Operating the 2x Antarctica scenic flights from PER 26/27JAN.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-25 14:41:05 and read 11399 times.

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 122):
Anyone know why today (25/1) QF569 SYD-PER was operated by 744 VH-OEE today? The aircraft is now idle at PER away from the terminal according to Plane Finder.

The aircraft is operating 2 x Antarctic Charters 26/01 QF2906, 27/01 QF2907 & then return to SYD 28/01 QF576...

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: CXfirst
Posted 2013-01-25 21:37:05 and read 11170 times.

Quoting QF175 (Reply 121):
PAL to Perth?

Yeh, I heard something about that at work. But can't really say too much. All I'll say is that I thought I heard wrong....

-CXfirst

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: vhebb
Posted 2013-01-25 22:23:02 and read 11119 times.

Hi,

Apparently QantasLink current T2 ops in SYD will be moving to T3...

Is this true?

Cheers

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-25 23:38:34 and read 11149 times.

Quoting vhebb (Reply 126):
Apparently QantasLink current T2 ops in SYD will be moving to T3...

More than likely due to the removal of JQ codes from mainline...

Quoting BNE (Reply 116):
Great move by Qantas.

Qantas will remove its code from a range of Jetstar-operated domestic flights with immediate effect in a bid to “increase transparency” in the booking process.

The airline will take its code off Jetstar services between Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth.

More here, Qantas takes code off Jetstar routes


EK413

[Edited 2013-01-25 23:40:43]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: ZuluAlpha
Posted 2013-01-26 00:04:03 and read 11115 times.

Happy Australia Day to all the readers of the Australian Aviation Thread !!

        

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: qf002
Posted 2013-01-26 00:11:24 and read 11119 times.

Quoting vhebb (Reply 126):
Apparently QantasLink current T2 ops in SYD will be moving to T3...

I hope so! I'm not sure how they will fit them all in though -- space constraints are the reason there are flights at T2 in the first place.

Another thought -- is T3 able to support the growing number of A332s that will be replacing the 767 fleet over the next few years? I've only ever seen the A330s down at the end of the terminal, never along the main strip opposite the maintenance area which seems to be dominated by 767s most of the time. Will we see some more work to respace gates?

Quoting EK413 (Reply 127):
More than likely due to the removal of JQ codes from mainline...

That only applies to PER flights. None of the QF flights in T2 are related to JQ in any way.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-26 00:16:13 and read 11119 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 127):
Quoting qf002 (Reply 129):
Will we see some more work to respace gates?

I've read on other forums talk about realigning the bays to accomadate more A330's...

Quoting qf002 (Reply 129):

Quoting EK413 (Reply 127):
More than likely due to the removal of JQ codes from mainline...

That only applies to PER flights. None of the QF flights in T2 are related to JQ in any way.

Thanks for pointing that out...

I believe the removal of JQ codes is to introduce EK codes on the SYD, MEL, BNE, ADL, PER services  

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: ZKOKQ
Posted 2013-01-27 01:46:18 and read 10710 times.

With all this rain from the ex tropical cyclone, its great to see BNE not really affected to much.

Well done to all the airlines and staff to keep it going.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: Fuling
Posted 2013-01-27 06:13:18 and read 10481 times.

It's been some months now that QF resumed flights to OOL, and I was wondering how loads are on these flights so far?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: ZuluAlpha
Posted 2013-01-27 12:08:44 and read 10394 times.

Quoting Fuling (Reply 132):

It's been some months now that QF resumed flights to OOL, and I was wondering how loads are on these flights so far?

I have heard they are going okay was the answer to that question that has been raised to QF management. So I guess that can be interpreted as not great, but not bad either.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: qf002
Posted 2013-01-27 12:32:10 and read 10364 times.

Quoting Fuling (Reply 132):
It's been some months now that QF resumed flights to OOL, and I was wondering how loads are on these flights so far?

There have been some very cheap fares (as low as $99 for travel in February when I had a look a couple of weeks ago -- cheaper than the basic JQ fares that came up in the same search), which is good for me but probably not amazing for QF.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: eaglefarm4
Posted 2013-01-27 14:03:11 and read 10302 times.

Quoting ZKOKQ (Reply 131):

Yes i agree however yesterday arvo and evening at least 30 aircraft performed missed approaches.
I heard on the ATC radio that 4 Virgins could not get into their gates around 10pm last night and on my wife's flight the baggage handlers refused to get the baggage out of the aircraft due to very strong winds.

Winds yesterday and earlier today have been up to 45 knots with crosswinds to 35 knots.Lot's of windshear.

Today so far several missed approaches including KE and EK.


Anyway Alliance 5th Fokker 70 arrived here last night.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-27 16:19:37 and read 10201 times.

Gold Coast Airport is closed due to high winds today... Scoot has gone to BNE, and JQ20 KIX-OOL-SYD has skipped the OOL stopover and is going nonstop to SYD...

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: ZuluAlpha
Posted 2013-01-27 18:37:03 and read 10087 times.

If the weather in the past 24 hours in BNE and if the intensity continues while it it heading south, it is not going to be a good thing for the NSW regional airports and SYD once / if it hits there

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: skyhawkmatthew
Posted 2013-01-27 19:08:54 and read 10043 times.

Quoting vhebb (Reply 126):

There is no way there is enough room at T3 for the QantasLink ops.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: eta unknown
Posted 2013-01-27 19:48:35 and read 10013 times.

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 135):
Anyway Alliance 5th Fokker 70 arrived here last night.

That would explain the ex Air Panama aircraft parked at DHL...

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-27 19:52:18 and read 10018 times.

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 137):

Sydney Airport is presently operating in a mix 07 / 34L departures configuration... I'm not certain if this has a lot to do with the noise sharing agreements or simply due to the heavy rain / weather...?

Quoting skyhawkmatthew (Reply 138):

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't CBR QF Link services depart from T3...?

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: eta unknown
Posted 2013-01-27 19:59:16 and read 10013 times.

There's also a PAL BNE-MNL nonstop rumour going around at the moment... third time lucky?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: skyhawkmatthew
Posted 2013-01-27 20:08:19 and read 10012 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 140):

That's right - only the CBR ops though - and they only have two gates for that. I guess with a huge number of buses they could do it, but it would be pretty messy and there probably isn't enough room to park the aircraft without using bays at T2 anyway.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: aussie747
Posted 2013-01-27 22:43:18 and read 9875 times.

It has been reported that the QF link pax will board near where the international transfers take place at T3 near where gate 1 is, they will then be bused to where the QF link Aprons will be (vacant apron space opposite hanger 96) Some modifications might be made to tmake the lounge a bit bigger. Although I could not find any information as to whether CBR pax will move from their current position. I guess more will be heard on this once modifications are made.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-27 23:43:43 and read 9809 times.

Quoting aussie747 (Reply 143):
It has been reported that the QF link pax will board near where the international transfers take place at T3 near where gate 1 is, they will then be bused to where the QF link Aprons will be (vacant apron space opposite hanger 96) Some modifications might be made to tmake the lounge a bit bigger. Although I could not find any information as to whether CBR pax will move from their current position. I guess more will be heard on this once modifications are made.

I thought this could've been a possibility and certainly a smart move considering the QF Link hangers are not to far from Gate 1 either...
I'm guessing the move is to make room for JQ expansion at T2...?

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: Fuling
Posted 2013-01-28 00:13:41 and read 9750 times.

Thanks ZuluAlpha and QF002.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: skyhawkmatthew
Posted 2013-01-28 02:39:45 and read 9576 times.

Quoting aussie747 (Reply 143):

It has been reported that the QF link pax will board near where the international transfers take place at T3 near where gate 1 is, they will then be bused to where the QF link Aprons will be (vacant apron space opposite hanger 96) Some modifications might be made to tmake the lounge a bit bigger.

That lounge would have to increase in size at least five times over! Whenever I've been in T2 most of the gate-lounges for Qlink flights have been chockers, not to mention the Qantas Club – the current T3 Q club is crowded enough without adding all the load from T2 as well. It'll be interesting to see how they work it.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 144):
I'm guessing the move is to make room for JQ expansion at T2...?

How does the leasing for T2 work? The eastern pier is obviously all Virgin territory, and at the moment the western side is Qantas' operations plus Tiger, seemingly randomly interspersed. Presumably with the ramp-up in both Tiger and Jetstar's operations, it's becoming less feasible to have Dash 8s park at aerobridge-equipped gates that could have A320s at them. Is it possible also that Virgin wishes to expand into that western pier, squeezing Qlink out?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-28 02:54:52 and read 9545 times.

Quoting skyhawkmatthew (Reply 146):

I could be wrong but I believe the T2 lease will be expiring soon which is probably another reason why QF Link flights are being relocated to T3... At the moment seems though JQ occupy gates 53, 55, 57, & 59... (Correct me if I'm wrong)...

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: flylonghaul
Posted 2013-01-28 03:07:21 and read 9546 times.

Weather in SYD is getting miserable.
Lots of aircraft having to circle north and south on the way in.
10pm now, lets see if there are diversions due to curfew soon. I can still count around 20 aircraft circling at the moment.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: ZuluAlpha
Posted 2013-01-28 03:15:45 and read 9521 times.

Quoting flylonghaul (Reply 148):
Weather in SYD is getting miserable.
Lots of aircraft having to circle north and south on the way in.
10pm now, lets see if there are diversions due to curfew soon. I can still count around 20 aircraft circling at the moment.

With the bad weather, think they will allow the curfew to be extended ?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: flylonghaul
Posted 2013-01-28 03:25:20 and read 9518 times.

Im not overly familiar with the regulations, but I imagine some flights may be allowed in depending on the individual situation of the individual flight.
Perhaps someone else can shed some light?

EK414 is still circling at FL250. It has already been holding for a while. Fuel must become an issue for diverting soon you would think.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: flylonghaul
Posted 2013-01-28 03:47:04 and read 9501 times.

Diversions have begun

VA540 from OOL
VA536 from OOL
VA887 from MEL
VA883 from MEL
VA891 from MEL

JQ626 is still circling near Canberra

And also just saw EK413 depart from RWY07! Thats a long heavy flight to come of that runway.

[Edited 2013-01-28 03:53:02]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: Aussie_
Posted 2013-01-28 03:56:21 and read 9556 times.

There's talk on another message board of JQ starting flights CNS-Guam. Has anyone heard anything about this?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: flylonghaul
Posted 2013-01-28 04:25:06 and read 9512 times.

Quoting Aussie_ (Reply 152):
There's talk on another message board of JQ starting flights CNS-Guam. Has anyone heard anything about this?

I like the sound of that. Would be an interesting new holiday option.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: skyhawkmatthew
Posted 2013-01-28 12:57:25 and read 9367 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 147):

Quoting skyhawkmatthew (Reply 146):

I could be wrong but I believe the T2 lease will be expiring soon which is probably another reason why QF Link flights are being relocated to T3... At the moment seems though JQ occupy gates 53, 55, 57, & 59...

That makes sense... Though I've seen JQ aircraft at every gate on that pier at various points – even the hardstands at the very end on occasion. Likewise, I've seen most of the western side taken up with Dash 8s, which seems an awful waste.

Quoting flylonghaul (Reply 150):
Im not overly familiar with the regulations, but I imagine some flights may be allowed in depending on the individual situation of the individual flight.

I was up at the TCU yesterday – they were saying they can't extend the curfew, they just had to do what they could at about 19 arrivals an hour on the single runway and that they were expecting quite a number of flights to divert as they simply couldn't fit them in before curfew. By about 5pm inbound delays were already up around an hour.

Quoting flylonghaul (Reply 151):
And also just saw EK413 depart from RWY07! Thats a long heavy flight to come of that runway.

There were only a few departures I saw that went off 34L - the Virgin Atlantic A340, a Thai 747, Malaysia 747 and United 747. Most other heavies managed to get off 07, including QF5 and QF1.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: eaglefarm4
Posted 2013-01-28 13:25:46 and read 9318 times.

Quoting flylonghaul (Reply 153):

Not a new option as UA fly twice weekly out of CNS to GUM and have so for many years.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: qf002
Posted 2013-01-28 17:28:42 and read 9129 times.

Quoting aussie747 (Reply 143):

Seems messier than the existing arrangement to me.

I've often thought that the space between T3 and T2 would make a good spot for a small regional pier, replacing the existing CBR area in T3 and allowing them to consolidate QFLink into one area. It doesn't need to be anything too fancy so wouldn't be an expensive thing to design/build, and would add a lot of useable gate space to T3.

Quoting skyhawkmatthew (Reply 154):
they were saying they can't extend the curfew

The only person who can authorise exemptions to the curfew is the NSW Minister for Transport, on a per case basis. These exemptions are only legally allowed in extreme circumstances, and weather doesn't seem to count...

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: tullamarine
Posted 2013-01-28 17:56:39 and read 9099 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 156):
I've often thought that the space between T3 and T2 would make a good spot for a small regional pier, replacing the existing CBR area in T3 and allowing them to consolidate QFLink into one area.

When QF acquired its lease for the T2 gates, Geoff Dixon indicated plans to create an airside link between T2 and T3. 11 years later nothing has happened.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: flylonghaul
Posted 2013-01-28 18:49:18 and read 9043 times.

Quoting skyhawkmatthew (Reply 154):

Ok thanks for the info. After holding for an hour it must have been very annoying to be told you were not allowed to land.

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 155):

Yes indeed. I was aware of that flight but was meaning more in relation to the prices JQ would likely offer.  
I've looked in the past and been quoted some horribly expensive prices.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: Airvan00
Posted 2013-01-28 19:50:40 and read 8956 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 156):

The only person who can authorise exemptions to the curfew is the NSW Minister for Transport, on a per case basis. ..

I think you might find that it is the Federal Minister for Infrastructure and Transport (The Hon Anthony Albanese MP) is the one to authorise exceptions, whose electorate of Grayndler sits adjacent to the airport.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: qf002
Posted 2013-01-28 20:59:57 and read 8863 times.

Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 159):
I think you might find that it is the Federal Minister for Infrastructure and Transport (The Hon Anthony Albanese MP) is the one to authorise exceptions, whose electorate of Grayndler sits adjacent to the airport.

You're absolutely right -- apologies!

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-29 22:20:08 and read 8246 times.

Quoting flylonghaul (Reply 150):

Probably the crew of EK413 opted to add a tech stop on route to refuel...?

I am baffled why under such circumstances the airlines aren't given priority clearance to land & depart opposed to inconvenience the passengers...

Other news, a little birdie told me a Qantas retro scheme is on the cards to be applied on a B738 (VH-VXB)... & the 2nd Rolls Royce B763 is off to the desert on the 12th of September... Thank god!!!

EK413

[Edited 2013-01-29 22:49:19]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: skyhawkmatthew
Posted 2013-01-29 22:55:35 and read 8200 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 161):
a Qantas retro scheme is on the cards to be applied on a B738 (VH-VXB)

Is a new Aboriginal scheme going to appear on a different aircraft to replace Yananyi if VXB's getting the retro treatment?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-29 23:03:33 and read 8191 times.

Quoting skyhawkmatthew (Reply 162):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 161):
a Qantas retro scheme is on the cards to be applied on a B738 (VH-VXB)

Is a new Aboriginal scheme going to appear on a different aircraft to replace Yananyi if VXB's getting the retro treatment?

I could be wrong in saying this but I believe QF are leaning away from Aboriginal schemes in favour of "other" forms of special schemes such as, Optus promotion, the Prostrate foundation, "spirit of Australians", names printed on 2 mainline aircraft & Oneworld... The retro scheme is word of mouth, however considering VH-VXB is due for a heavy maintenance check its the candidate for a retro scheme...

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: thegeek
Posted 2013-01-29 23:59:14 and read 8119 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 161):
Probably the crew of EK413 opted to add a tech stop on route to refuel...?

Wasn't it EK414? More likely they looked at the weather forecast before they took off in DXB and added the extra fuel to allow time for circling. Unless it's just too long a range flight to justify the extra fuel over the risk of the extra stop?

Quoting EK413 (Reply 161):
I am baffled why under such circumstances the airlines aren't given priority clearance to land & depart opposed to inconvenience the passengers...

I don't know what you mean. If they declare an emergency, they have priority. If they don't, they generally have to wait their turn (unless there's some other qualification I am unaware of). Quite a while ago (1990s) there was a proposal to make the airlines only schedule flights at times that they would be able to land at the destination, but the airlines didn't like it as I recall. That would be far more sensible than letting airlines get in line in the air.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: SYDSpotter
Posted 2013-01-30 02:33:38 and read 7954 times.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 164):
Wasn't it EK414? More likely they looked at the weather forecast before they took off in DXB and added the extra fuel to allow time for circling. Unless it's just too long a range flight to justify the extra fuel over the risk of the extra stop?

No I think he does mean EK413 which had to take off on runway 07 which is only 2500m compared with 4km on 34L. It is an awful long flight to DXB ! Lucky it wasn't QF's DFW flight.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-30 02:49:16 and read 7936 times.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 164):
Wasn't it EK414?

EK413 which departed from Sydney's East-West runway 07 as pointed out by

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 165):
Quoting thegeek (Reply 164):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 161):
I am baffled why under such circumstances the airlines aren't given priority clearance to land & depart opposed to inconvenience the passengers...

I don't know what you mean. If they declare an emergency, they have priority. If they don't, they generally have to wait their turn (unless there's some other qualification I am unaware of). Quite a while ago (1990s) there was a proposal to make the airlines only schedule flights at times that they would be able to land at the destination, but the airlines didn't like it as I recall. That would be far more sensible than letting airlines get in line in the air.

Just to clarify I was referring to the aircraft which opted to divert due to the weather & curfew...

Quoting flylonghaul (Reply 151):
Diversions have begun

VA540 from OOL
VA536 from OOL
VA887 from MEL
VA883 from MEL
VA891 from MEL

JQ626 is still circling near Canberra

And also just saw EK413 depart from RWY07! Thats a long heavy flight to come of that runway.
Quoting EK413 (Reply 163):
The retro scheme is word of mouth, however considering VH-VXB is due for a heavy maintenance check its the candidate for a retro scheme...

Just wanted to add "take it with a grain of salt" this ain't official...

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: eaglefarm4
Posted 2013-01-30 13:14:48 and read 7722 times.

Lynden Air Cargo C130 N404LC operated at least 2 BNE-Bundaberg freight rotations yesterday as part of the flood provisions of aid.

China Southern added a extra 3 weekly seasonal flights yesterday, to make a daily flight for the next 4 weeks.

Etihad commence their daily scheds this Sunday up from 3 a week for the past several years.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-30 16:13:03 and read 7593 times.

Yesterday, EK have began selling to a number of Qantas Domestic destinations for travel from 31st of March...

Other news, Today Alan Joyce will welcome Malaysian Airlines to Oneworld...

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: ZKOKQ
Posted 2013-01-31 01:02:24 and read 7326 times.

Today QF 767 bound for SYD kissed the runway at BNE. They returned to BNE.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-31 01:08:15 and read 7296 times.

Quoting ZKOKQ (Reply 169):

??? I don't get it lol...

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: flylonghaul
Posted 2013-01-31 01:11:51 and read 7299 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 170):
??? I don't get it lol...

I'm guessing a tail strike?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: ZKOKQ
Posted 2013-01-31 01:24:05 and read 7274 times.

Excuse my vague post, long day at work.

Yes the plane had a tail strike.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-31 01:47:55 and read 7221 times.

Quoting ZKOKQ (Reply 172):

Excuse my vague post, long day at work.

Yes the plane had a tail strike.

Reasonable excuse... Do we know which aircraft...?

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: ZKOKQ
Posted 2013-01-31 02:35:12 and read 7144 times.

I can not seem to find any rego around or news about it.

BNE site shows QF545 as being canceled.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-31 02:44:30 and read 7130 times.

Quoting ZKOKQ (Reply 174):

I can not seem to find any rego around or news about it.

BNE site shows QF545 as being canceled.

It's time to do some fishing around... Any idea as to the damage...? I understand aircraft are fitted with tail strike devices...

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: ZKOKQ
Posted 2013-01-31 02:45:50 and read 7132 times.

When nine news aired it here in BNE, not much was known.

Is think the flight is underway now.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: flylonghaul
Posted 2013-01-31 02:52:57 and read 7185 times.

QF 549 also appears to have been cancelled

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-31 02:55:11 and read 7185 times.

Only flight showing at the moment SYD bound & descending is QF557 VHVZD....

Just about to touch down runway 34R...

EK413

[Edited 2013-01-31 03:09:33]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: vhebb
Posted 2013-01-31 03:49:30 and read 7101 times.

The aircraft was VH-ZXF it returned to BNE then operated again a few hrs later... Can't have been too serious.

Cheers

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-31 10:30:17 and read 6947 times.

Quoting vhebb (Reply 179):
The aircraft was VH-ZXF it returned to BNE then operated again a few hrs later... Can't have been too serious.

That's a relief... Good thing is the ACE / Rolls Royce aircraft are heading off to the desert with another aircraft being retired in 12 days time...

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: Boof
Posted 2013-01-31 22:58:41 and read 6676 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 161):
Other news, a little birdie told me a Qantas retro scheme is on the cards to be applied on a B738 (VH-VXB)...

I hope this is true, I'd love to see a 738 in these colours with the winglets having the flying roo on them:

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Quoting vhebb (Reply 179):
The aircraft was VH-ZXF it returned to BNE then operated again a few hrs later... Can't have been too serious

Good news that it's not too serious. Apart from the fact that 767 is built like a tank, there is the tail strike protector on the 300 and 400 series of the 767's that provides a lot of protection to the fuselage. You can see it in both of these photos:

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Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: mal787
Posted 2013-02-01 03:40:38 and read 6442 times.

Quoting Boof (Reply 181):
I hope this is true, I'd love to see a 738 in these colours with the winglets having the flying roo on them:

We have to see it on a 744 as well. It looked great on the 742 so no reason why it wont work

Mal787

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: eaglefarm4
Posted 2013-02-01 13:44:50 and read 6271 times.

Malaysian announced daily ex BNE from mid September up from the current 5 a week.

I also see that TransAsia Airways of Taiwan are also planning flights to Australia and NZ.So BNE and SYD would have to be favoured.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: vhqpa
Posted 2013-02-01 14:42:42 and read 6214 times.

If they do a retro scheme on a 737. I'd rather see a TAA based scheme than a Qantas scheme. Just replace the TAA titles with Qantas.

Leave the Retro Qantas for the 744



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Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-02-01 14:59:37 and read 6204 times.

Quoting mal787 (Reply 182):
We have to see it on a 744 as well. It looked great on the 742 so no reason why it wont work
Quoting vhqpa (Reply 184):
Leave the Retro Qantas for the 744

Unfortunately the B744s have had the NEW scheme applied unless there are plans to apply a new coat of paint to the remaining B744s (to be retired)...? I saw VHOJE yesterday & let me tell you she's a perfect candidate for a fresh coat of paint...

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: AirNiugini
Posted 2013-02-01 17:44:20 and read 6071 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 163):

Is there a reason that the wonderful Aboriginal schemes are being removed? I know that the planes are a little heavier, but surely those costs are not that significant...

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: qf002
Posted 2013-02-01 20:02:54 and read 5971 times.

Quoting mal787 (Reply 182):
We have to see it on a 744 as well. It looked great on the 742 so no reason why it wont work

They won't be repainting any of the aircraft due to be retired in the next 12-18 months, and the ERs probably won't be completely stripped and repainted again before they get retired.

I'd like to see an A333 in a retro scheme. And that fleet is well overdue for some new paint.

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 186):
Is there a reason that the wonderful Aboriginal schemes are being removed? I know that the planes are a little heavier, but surely those costs are not that significant...

We don't know what is happening with Yananyi yet -- they might leave the paint during her heavy check or repaint her with the same livery but new kangaroo/titles.

That said, I think it's likely at she'll either get something else or revert to the standard livery. The Aboriginal schemes date back to what was a very different airline back in the 90s. Looking at the branding update in 2008 and things like the new advertising, my guess is that the company is probably keen to move past that image and onto something new. I'm all in favour of a brand new Aboriginal livery being part of that though.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2013-02-01 20:15:15 and read 5963 times.

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 183):
I also see that TransAsia Airways of Taiwan are also planning flights to Australia and NZ.So BNE and SYD would have to be favoured.

Given the growth in Tawanese pax, MEL could very well be favoured for this.

SYD and BNE have a substantial level of competition already afterall, so this could be an opportunity to try a new market, and one that MEL has targeted for a few years.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: eaglefarm4
Posted 2013-02-01 21:54:58 and read 5843 times.

If they are similar to mainland China where all 4 Chinese carriers fly to MEL or about to, then BNE and SYD would be favoured over any new market.Also if they plan to operate to AKL then a route via BNE or SYD will make more sense.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: AirNiugini
Posted 2013-02-01 23:29:13 and read 5729 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 187):
I'm all in favour of a brand new Aboriginal livery being part of that though.



I agree. It would be a shame to see the QF fleet without an Aboriginal livery. I think having at least 2 schemes in the fleet would be fantastic. One representing mainland Aboriginals, and one representing the Torres Strait. This was the case with both Nalanji Dreaming, and Wunala Dreaming in the fleet.



Quoting qf002 (Reply 187):
The Aboriginal schemes date back to what was a very different airline back in the 90s. Looking at the branding update in 2008 and things like the new advertising, my guess is that the company is probably keen to move past that image and onto something new.

I actually don't even think Qantas have a clear well defined marketing plan or vision in place. It's a total mess, and what they have created is boring and not relevant!
  

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-02-02 00:21:05 and read 5672 times.

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 186):

Quoting EK413 (Reply 163):

Is there a reason that the wonderful Aboriginal schemes are being removed? I know that the planes are a little heavier, but surely those costs are not that significant...

Qantas are leaning away from the Aboriginal schemes & the cost behind special scheme's couldn't be justified & as we all know QF is preserving its cash reserves & investing where it counts...

There was talk in mid 2012 concerning a special scheme being applied to a A330 which ended up being nothing other than another Oneworld scheme VH-EBV...

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: ZKOKQ
Posted 2013-02-02 00:28:46 and read 5669 times.

I am still hoping to see something on an A330.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: AirNiugini
Posted 2013-02-02 17:09:35 and read 5297 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 191):

I agree that it would be more expensive to operate due to the weight, but it being only applied on 2 or 3 planes I thought it would have been negligible overall. Or at least worth it considering it is a great ambassador for QF and Australia.

Quoting ZKOKQ (Reply 192):
I am still hoping to see something on an A330.

Maybe the dreamtime livery on the Dreamliner? 

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2013-02-02 19:04:03 and read 5194 times.

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 189):
If they are similar to mainland China where all 4 Chinese carriers fly to MEL or about to, then BNE and SYD would be favoured over any new market.

MEL would have a to be option to consider, but yes it is an outside chance.

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 189):
Also if they plan to operate to AKL then a route via BNE or SYD will make more sense.

True, CZ had originally planned CAN-MEL-AKL, so you never know what airlines will consider.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: Flyingsottsman
Posted 2013-02-03 05:12:52 and read 4889 times.

Yeah I would love to see a 737 in the old TAA 70s blue scheme and a 744 or a 767/A330 in the QF 70s scheme with that orchid colour cheat line I reacon that would look so good.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: allrite
Posted 2013-02-03 15:41:23 and read 4740 times.

Qantas has announced changes to the Asian network.

Quote:
Key among the changes in the first phase of improving the Asia network, which will apply from today for travel after 31 March, are:
- Better access to the key Asian hubs of Hong Kong and Singapore, with a dedicated capacity increase of around 10 per cent and 40 per cent respectively on the Qantas network plus extended capacity on the Qantas-Emirates network
- Earlier arrival times into Hong Kong, Bangkok and Singapore, with flights brought forward by up to three hours to increase the number of onward connections
- A new destination – Kuala Lumpur – available to Qantas customers via the combined Qantas-Emirates network.
The Qantas-Emirates partnership remains subject to government and regulatory approval.
As part of schedule changes made today, Qantas is reducing its Perth-Singapore services to one per day and ceasing its Adelaide-Singapore and Perth-Hong Kong services. However, Qantas will increase its Brisbane-Hong Kong service from four per week to seven and add four additional Sydney-Singapore services per week (increasing to daily from June).
Media release

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: sydscott
Posted 2013-02-03 15:58:36 and read 4707 times.

Quoting allrite (Reply 196):
Qantas has announced changes to the Asian network.

So Frankfurt is ending in April, no more ADL-SIN or PER-HKG while BNE sees an increase in BNE-HKG to daily. They call this "improvements". I call it "pathetic". There had better be more to it than that!

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: vhebb
Posted 2013-02-03 16:03:06 and read 4693 times.

http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airl...a-releases/feb-2013/5486/global/en

Basically the changes are:

*Both ADL-SIN and PER-HKG routes will be cut.

*PER-SIN-PER reduced from 2x daily to 1x daily.

*SYD-SIN-FRA will now be cut from April 2013.

*SYD-SIN-SYD will increase to double daily.

*BNE-HKG-BNE will increase to daily.

*SYD-HKG-SYD reduced from 11 services per week to daily.

*Intl A330s will probably get a cabin upgrade.

Not much of an enhancement really.....

[Edited 2013-02-03 16:14:49]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: allrite
Posted 2013-02-03 16:03:38 and read 4700 times.

Quoting sydscott (Reply 197):
They call this "improvements". I call it "pathetic". There had better be more to it than that!

It was a fairly airy announcement.

- To be rolled out in 4 phases.
- Investigating adding lie flat beds to A330s and other improvements
- Expanded network within Asia through local partners (such as Japan Airlines, China Eastern, Jet Airways, Cathay Pacific and Malaysia Airlines)
- Investigating an increase in destinations to Asia using the Qantas Group’s B787-9 options from 2016, coinciding with the turnaround of Qantas International (direct destinations under consideration include Beijing, Seoul, Mumbai, Delhi and Tokyo-Haneda).

Very sad about the end of Frankfurt flights being brought forward as I'll miss the Qantas 747s to Europe via Asia and had hoped to somehow catch a last flight with them.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: Quokkas
Posted 2013-02-03 16:09:23 and read 4680 times.

Quoting allrite (Reply 196):
Better access to the key Asian hubs of Hong Kong and Singapore

Only if you live on the east coast. From PER no HKG at all and one only per day to SIN. CX and SQ will be pleased. At least with the route to SIN the counter-argument is that there will be fewer passengers heading onward to Europe, making more seats available to Asian destinations.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: vhebb
Posted 2013-02-03 16:11:35 and read 4675 times.

New Schedule:

http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20130204/pdf/42ctm8nyxl52zm.pdf

Looking at the timeline my guess is the MEL-SIN-MEL and BNE-SIN-BNE will both switch from B744 to A330 in April.

Maybe more B744 retirements planned?

[Edited 2013-02-03 16:16:16]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: jsoprano
Posted 2013-02-03 16:17:15 and read 4660 times.

With these changes, who did the maths on the capacity increases they quote (10% to HKG and 40% to SIN)? I strongly doubt any net increase.

Also very sad re FRA culled in April, being a long time Frankfurt (and now Melbourne) resident the big red roo will be missed. Will take QF6 back home next Sunday, for the first and last time now apparently.  

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: ZKOKQ
Posted 2013-02-03 16:32:11 and read 4621 times.

Whats better, change or QF contining to make you guys happy and fade away?

I am glad QF finally has the sense to grab the company by the balls and operate ruthlessly.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: sydscott
Posted 2013-02-03 16:58:17 and read 4590 times.

Quoting vhebb (Reply 201):
Maybe more B744 retirements planned?

Definitely more 744 retirements. Once FRA goes there are 3 there that can be scrapped.

Quoting jsoprano (Reply 202):
who did the maths on the capacity increases they quote (10% to HKG and 40% to SIN)? I strongly doubt any net increase.

I think it's "available" capacity for Asia services which is a fancy way of saying "we used to sell lots of connecting seats via Asia but no we won't be selling any and we'll market that as a capacity increase for Asian travel."

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: tullamarine
Posted 2013-02-03 17:47:46 and read 4533 times.

Quoting allrite (Reply 196):
A new destination – Kuala Lumpur – available to Qantas customers via the combined Qantas-Emirates network

This is actually an old QF destination so it's a "resumption via codeshare" not a new destination. The MEL-KUL service arrives in MEL at 2AM and departs MEL at 4AM so it's not exactly highly sought after. If you want QF FF points flying to KUL, you'd be better off using MH now that it's part of Oneworld and operates 1 or 2 times daily from Australian capitals.

Quoting allrite (Reply 196):
ceasing its Adelaide-Singapore and Perth-Hong Kong services

Truly bizarre ceasing PER-HKG!!! You can still earn FF points on CX but CX must be wrapped, Likewise SQ will gladly accept the ADL pax heading to Asia.

Quoting allrite (Reply 199):
Investigating an increase in destinations to Asia using the Qantas Group’s B787-9 options from 2016

So the new Asian strategy is deferred another 3 years and even that may be optimnistic given the 787-9s in 2016 are no certainty given the current dramas. Surely QF understands that SQ,CX and the Chinese carriers are not going to sit on their hands for 3 years. By 2016, there will be litlle of worth for QF to consider that is not already serviced.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 67
Username: allrite
Posted 2013-02-03 17:51:18 and read 4528 times.

Australian Aviation Thread #68 is now open.


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