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Topic: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: Wilco737
Posted 2013-01-10 04:35:58 and read 26871 times.

Bad day for the snake on the QF flight. It seems to be stucked at the part where the flaps are.

http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-...tile-passenger-20130110-2ciu0.html

Unfortunately it got ripped in two parts and died...   

wilco737
  

[Edited 2013-01-10 04:36:21]

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2013-01-10 05:26:59 and read 26504 times.

RIP to the snake.   Hope the cleanup isn't too bad and hopefully the snale didn't do any damage.

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: comorin
Posted 2013-01-10 06:28:03 and read 26098 times.

Non-Rev pax will do anything to get on a flight...

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: mhkansan
Posted 2013-01-10 06:37:10 and read 26045 times.

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 1):
RIP to the snake.   Hope the cleanup isn't too bad and hopefully the snale didn't do any damage.

From what I understand from the article, the snake was still trying to get inside the wing/flap area after landing!

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: RussianJet
Posted 2013-01-10 07:12:47 and read 25722 times.

Poor snakey!

Certainly not the sort of thing you see every day on a flight.

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: Lufthansa
Posted 2013-01-10 07:27:34 and read 25606 times.

oh god this bloody country is full of the god damn things. honestly don't feel for the snake, feel for the pax... if this jammed a flight surface things could have ended very differently. luckily all landed in one piece bar the stow away.

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: TWA902fly
Posted 2013-01-10 07:34:37 and read 25532 times.

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 5):
oh god this bloody country is full of the god damn things. honestly don't feel for the snake, feel for the pax... if this jammed a flight surface things could have ended very differently. luckily all landed in one piece bar the stow away.

Maybe if it chewed up a few hydraulic lines and gas lines the night before...

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: aloges
Posted 2013-01-10 07:37:58 and read 25521 times.

Where is Samuel L. Jackson when you need him?

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: FI642
Posted 2013-01-10 08:02:32 and read 25126 times.

The snake was hired by Airbus to sabotage 787's The Boeing agents found out, and got him!

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: hawaii12
Posted 2013-01-10 09:14:28 and read 23372 times.

snakes do not chew. they're very protective of their fangs... one or two strikes and they're put away. and the other teeth snakes do have are used to hold their food in place as it moves forward to begin the swallowing process.

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: web500sjc
Posted 2013-01-10 09:25:50 and read 23120 times.

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 5):

So if the snake got the controls jammed, would it still be pilot error?

 

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: manny
Posted 2013-01-10 10:04:22 and read 22130 times.

Who says Hollywood movies do not depict reality!

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: higherflyer
Posted 2013-01-10 10:12:05 and read 21890 times.

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 10):
So if the snake got the controls jammed, would it still be pilot error?


Yes!

Did the snake have a passport? Or did it get deported back to point of origin at QF's expense?

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: awacsooner
Posted 2013-01-10 10:15:04 and read 21838 times.

The snake was sick and tired of all those mother-effing people on that mother-effing plane!

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: Superfly
Posted 2013-01-10 11:15:50 and read 20525 times.

The report is saying 3 meters long. In the photos, that snake doesn't look like it could be that long.
That said, I can't stand snakes!

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: dergay
Posted 2013-01-10 11:45:20 and read 19932 times.

Quoting hawaii12 (Reply 9):
snakes do not chew. they're very protective of their fangs... one or two strikes and they're put away. and the other teeth snakes do have are used to hold their food in place as it moves forward to begin the swallowing process.

Thank You!
  

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: vanguard737
Posted 2013-01-10 14:07:56 and read 17165 times.

Along with centipedes, earwigs, and wasps, I absolutely hate snakes!

But I can't help but feel sorry for this little guy. That was a slow, painful death.  

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: Lufthansa
Posted 2013-01-10 14:19:34 and read 16913 times.

you know i was thinking about this more. Cairn's apron is concrete and asphalt, depending on where the aircraft was parked. Assuming it when it during an overnight stop, it still would have taken the snake quite a while to cross this kind of surface, as there isn't much ability for it to gain traction on it. during the day people would have noticed. but during the night, well possibly not. The tarmac would have been warm, but it probably took the snake forever to leave whatever nearby garden it came out of and to get up inside the aircraft.... unless... a passenger brought it there!

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: flyingturtle
Posted 2013-01-10 15:33:37 and read 15593 times.

Poor critter. Had to die that far away from home.


David

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-01-10 15:41:00 and read 15435 times.

Quoting comorin (Reply 2):

Non-Rev pax will do anything to get on a flight...


  

Quoting aloges (Reply 7):
Where is Samuel L. Jackson when you need him?

  

How it got on top of the wing to begin with is pure wonder......

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: 777fan
Posted 2013-01-10 15:55:39 and read 15197 times.

Quoting aloges (Reply 7):
Where is Samuel L. Jackson when you need him?

"Enough is enough! I have had it with these muthaflapping snakes on this muthaflapping plane!"

In all honesty, though, that's one tough snake.

777fan

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: chanyxp
Posted 2013-01-10 16:03:37 and read 15067 times.

QF 191? I guess the number 191 is really cursed.

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: peterinlisbon
Posted 2013-01-10 16:42:52 and read 14435 times.

I wonder if it had a first class ticket? They normally do.

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: FlexJetOKC
Posted 2013-01-10 16:49:49 and read 14313 times.

Poor snake! I bet that was a chilly ride!

[Edited 2013-01-10 16:54:16]

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: a36001
Posted 2013-01-10 17:22:11 and read 13769 times.

OMG the post's on the news.com.au site are banging on about how dare the crew let that animal die, if it was a Koala blabla!!! Who cares about some snake, that thing would try and kill you first chance it got! The only good snake is a dead snake as far as I am concerned! (I have lost two pets to a red belly black snake). In this country we have so many of nature's finest both good and bad, and one less of the bad ones isn't going to get me upset. Glad the aircraft survived!  

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2013-01-10 18:19:07 and read 13453 times.

Quoting chanyxp (Reply 21):

THANK YOU!! I wasn't sure if I'd offend anybody by posting that myself, but that was the very first thing that came to mind for me. I do feel bad for the snake, as I hate to see any living creature pass away, but it might have attacked somebody if it hadn't so it all balances out.

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: qantas717
Posted 2013-01-10 21:15:08 and read 11642 times.

So lets speculate, what killed the snake?

More than likely a combination of things including loss of blood, extreme cold and hypoxia and well as probably being crushesd or possibly severed in several places.

I am absolutely petrified of snakes, yet I continue to live in this country that is full of venomous creatures, but I cant help but feel sorry for this one, it was doing what was natural to it (finding a place to hide) and that lead to its death.

What do you all think? perhaps someone with more knowledge on how the TE flap mechanism works on the Q400?

Regards

Matt

[Edited 2013-01-10 21:15:38]

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: GSPflyer
Posted 2013-01-10 22:25:25 and read 11178 times.

The real question here should be...

How did it get up there? Maybe climbed up the landing gear? I can't think of anything else.

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: Bureaucromancer
Posted 2013-01-10 23:30:55 and read 10585 times.

My question about this is how big a screwup is this in terms of preflight? It seems like this thing should have been pretty noticeable. Are we (or should we be) looking at disciplinary action against the crew?

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: aloges
Posted 2013-01-11 00:32:04 and read 9999 times.

Quoting Bureaucromancer (Reply 28):
It seems like this thing should have been pretty noticeable.

How so? IIRC, the article said that a passenger noticed "a head popping out of the wing" (or so) during the flight. That means the snake was tucked away nicely during the pre-flight inspection; if any sizeable animal can hide between e.g. a flap and the wing proper, it's a long and thin one.

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: Superfly
Posted 2013-01-11 06:02:35 and read 7658 times.

Quoting a36001 (Reply 24):
OMG the post's on the news.com.au site are banging on about how dare the crew let that animal die, if it was a Koala blabla!!!


Stupid animal rights activist types mostl likely. Qantas might get hit with a lawsuit from PETA.

Quoting a36001 (Reply 24):
Who cares about some snake, that thing would try and kill you first chance it got! The only good snake is a dead snake as far as I am concerned! (I have lost two pets to a red belly black snake). In this country we have so many of nature's finest both good and bad, and one less of the bad ones isn't going to get me upset. Glad the aircraft survived!


  
I agree.

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: steex
Posted 2013-01-11 06:30:12 and read 7519 times.

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 17):

you know i was thinking about this more. Cairn's apron is concrete and asphalt, depending on where the aircraft was parked. Assuming it when it during an overnight stop, it still would have taken the snake quite a while to cross this kind of surface, as there isn't much ability for it to gain traction on it. during the day people would have noticed. but during the night, well possibly not. The tarmac would have been warm, but it probably took the snake forever to leave whatever nearby garden it came out of and to get up inside the aircraft.... unless... a passenger brought it there!

I'm not so sure I agree with this. Asphalt and concrete have ample texture on which to gain traction, a snake could move fairly easily. If anything, the opposite problem is more likely to be true, it could be too much friction if the snake was dry.

Also, I notice there is an open drainage canal behind the ramp at CNS that connects out to the adjacent mangrove. Snakes are generally very effective swimmers, and it appears the majority of the gates would be within 150m or so of that drainage feature. It wouldn't be all that difficult for the snake to cover that distance unnoticed at night.

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: comorin
Posted 2013-01-11 13:15:06 and read 7014 times.

That snake is hiss-tory...

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: par13del
Posted 2013-01-11 16:16:26 and read 6760 times.

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 10):
So if the snake got the controls jammed, would it still be pilot error?

Yes, the captain is responsible for ensuring that all pax are properly seated before takeoff, and since they departed with the proper paperwork completed............

On the other hand, this should be enough evidence that we need to commence fumigating a/c on international flights, imagine the damage created from the introduction of an such an invasive species in a pristine environment.

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: skywaymanaz
Posted 2013-01-12 00:44:50 and read 6339 times.

Quoting par13del (Reply 33):
imagine the damage created from the introduction of an such an invasive species in a pristine environment.

That had me confused because reading the article I wasn't sure if the pilots continued to their destination, diverted to the nearest airport or returned to departure airport. I would think that due to invasive species you'd divert back to your departure airport if practical or an alternate advising them of the nature of the diversion so animal control can meet the flight. Guam was literally over run by snakes right after WW II due to this type of situation. Hawaii is in fear of it and why they have strict quartantine rules for plants and animals. Australia is known for this too so that surprises me this detail seems missing.

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: Superfly
Posted 2013-01-12 01:25:27 and read 6284 times.

Why does the article say python?
This snake doesn't look fat enough to be a python.
Are there any photos of the snake after it had been pulled out?

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: flyingturtle
Posted 2013-01-12 05:55:36 and read 6104 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 35):

Well, I do not know, but:

"Rick Shine, a snake expert at the University of Sydney, said the specimen was a ''very uncomfortable'' scrub python, the longest snake in Australia."

http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-...-flying-circus-20130110-2ciu0.html



David

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: HAWK21M
Posted 2013-01-12 10:43:03 and read 5734 times.

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 5):
if this jammed a flight surface

Exactly.....A jammed control surface would have been serious.Was the Aircraft parked for a long duration to permit the snake to get up to the area.

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: steex
Posted 2013-01-12 11:10:42 and read 5658 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 35):
Why does the article say python?
This snake doesn't look fat enough to be a python.
Are there any photos of the snake after it had been pulled out?

Unlike other species of python, scrub pythons are generally fairly slender snakes unless they've eaten very recently. What you see in the photos looks fairly consistent with the species.

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-01-12 11:20:32 and read 5614 times.

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 37):
Was the Aircraft parked for a long duration to permit the snake to get up to the area.

It was parked overnight. The flight left CNS at 0615.

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: flyingturtle
Posted 2013-01-12 11:23:20 and read 5617 times.

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 37):
Exactly.....A jammed control surface would have been serious.Was the Aircraft parked for a long duration to permit the snake to get up to the area.

And aircraft aren't able to do a no-flaps-landing, are they?

Well, it presumably took the snake only a night to crawl into the wing. Many and many A/C are parked for such a long duration.


David

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: HAWK21M
Posted 2013-01-12 23:03:45 and read 5132 times.

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 40):

And aircraft aren't able to do a no-flaps-landing, are they?

The TE flap may not have been the only jammed component....  

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: flyingturtle
Posted 2013-01-13 04:39:25 and read 4821 times.

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 41):

You mean, more snakes on the motherflapping plane???


David

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: freakyrat
Posted 2013-01-13 15:31:47 and read 4409 times.

This was a Q400 folks and I'm sure it is more than capable of a no flap landing especially with those big props put in reverse pitch after landing.

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: HAWK21M
Posted 2013-01-19 01:25:28 and read 3689 times.

Any idea where this Aircraft was long halted that wnabled the snake access to the flap track.
So procedures can be put in place to avoid similiar occurances in future.

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-01-19 14:34:22 and read 3355 times.

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 44):
Any idea where this Aircraft was long halted that enabled the snake access to the flap track.

See Reply 39. The aircraft was parked overnight at CNS and departed at 0615.

Topic: RE: Snake On The Wing Of QF Flight
Username: Geezer
Posted 2013-01-19 16:10:39 and read 3245 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 35):
This snake doesn't look fat enough to be a python.

There are many different species of pythons........many of them are not big and fat.......some are long and slender;

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
How it got on top of the wing to begin with is pure wonder......

If you have ever watched a snake climbing into a tree, your question would be answered; many species of snakes are extremely good climbers and are able to climb almost anything.

[quote=Lufthansa,reply=17]but it probably took the snake forever to leave whatever nearby garden it came out of and to get up inside the aircraft....

Why so ? we're not talking about a snail here; think: how long would it take you to walk 150 feet? double that, and most snakes would have "time left over"; and you can forget about all of the "lack of "traction" on a smooth surface; most species of snakes are capable of just as much "forward progress" on a sheet of glass as they would be across a lawn. (or a concrete apron at an airport)


[quote=steex,reply=31] Asphalt and concrete have ample texture on which to gain traction, a snake could move fairly easily. If anything, the opposite problem is more likely to be true, it could be too much friction if the snake was dry.

Asphalt and concrete have ample texture on which to gain traction; that part is completely true;

If you take a close look at most snakes, you'll realize why you're unlikely to ever see a "wet" snake; (most are kinda like a teflon coated frying pan); when you remove them from the water, they're already dry; water just doesn't stick to them.

And last but not least........all of the worrying about the snake causing damage to the flap mechanisms and endangering the A/C; I'm sure any aviation/mech on this forum will assure you.......the strength of the materials in the flap mechanisms, and the forces that power them, would many times greater than anything that would be damaged by a 10 or 15 pound snake. ( kinda like worrying about a hot dog breaking a meat grinder)

Charley


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