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Topic: CO In Australia
Username: Jackbr
Posted 2013-01-20 04:55:49 and read 10874 times.

Throughout the 80s and early 90s CO served SYD and MEL with DC-10s and 747s. What routes did they operate? I assume they continued onto LAX from HNL, possibly including a stop in NAN on the first sector?

And when did they switch from the DC-10 to the 747?

Topic: RE: CO In Australia
Username: SpaceshipDC10
Posted 2013-01-20 05:23:42 and read 10759 times.

For a start, here's a quote from a previous thread.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 1):
We served SYD, MEL, CNS and BNE from HNL and AKL. We also flew SYD from GUM, too
Continental To Australia (by Boeing777228 Jan 16 2008 in Civil Aviation)

Topic: RE: CO In Australia
Username: jfk777
Posted 2013-01-20 05:26:12 and read 10745 times.

Continetal flew to Australia primarily via HNL but also via Tahiti and Fiji. CO got a fleet of DC-10-30 for the flights, 747 came a bit later when CO merged with People's Express. The 747 were rotated around the long haul fleet and flew with the DC-10's to Austrlia but didn't replace them. When Continenal declared Chapter 22 Bankruptcy in the early 1990's they stopped flying to Aussie since they didn't have nonstops from LAX to SYD as Qantas and United did.

Topic: RE: CO In Australia
Username: Citationjet
Posted 2013-01-20 05:29:34 and read 10721 times.

I found lots of Continental timetables from that era listed on the following site:
http://airchive.com/html/timetable-a...-timetables-route-maps-and-history

I am not sure when they started Australia service, but their 1982 schedule shows service to Australia.

Topic: RE: CO In Australia
Username: Flyingsottsman
Posted 2013-01-20 05:52:58 and read 10624 times.

They flew to Sydney first in the very early 80s then taged Melbourne on to that Sydney flight, I think the flight was LAX/HNL/SYD/MEL then they delinked Melbourne from the Sydney flight and flew MEL/AKL//HNL/LAX and SYD/AKL/HNL/LAX. Thought out the 80s and 90s right up till they stopped serving Australia they used both the DC-10-30s and the 742 then in late 1992 they stopped serving Australia altogether which was a shame because their service was great I did a MEL/AKL/HNL/LAX flight back in 92, leaving LA we was 2 hours late leaving and missed our connecting flight to MEL and had an 8 hour stay in Honolulu put up in a nice hotel and a great tour around Honolulu. That night 2 CO flights heading out to Australia the MEL flight was going via Auckalnd using a DC-10-30 while the Sydney flight was a 742. Its strange seeing the globe livery back at MEL with UA titles on it. I Miss the tulip blue livery that was UA best livery ever but miss Continental the airline aswell.

Topic: RE: CO In Australia
Username: RWA380
Posted 2013-01-20 06:05:14 and read 10574 times.

Here are some route maps that may help you out:

1971 - No Australia, but several small south pacific stops on milk runs. http://www.departedflights.com/CO103171.html
1978 - The year prior to Australia service, with authorized routes but not yet being flown -
http://www.departedflights.com/CO043078.html
1979 - It's on, CO is flying to Sydney & Auckland - http://www.departedflights.com/CO060179.html
1980 - The Pacific flying is flying on CO Micronesia - http://www.departedflights.com/CO090880.html

[Edited 2013-01-20 06:18:10]

Topic: RE: CO In Australia
Username: ABQopsHP
Posted 2013-01-20 06:07:54 and read 10568 times.

Here is a route map from 1985.

http://www.departedflights.com/CO090485.html

As you can see, all flights at the time, went via HNL and then on to either NAN, SYD or AKL. The 747s came back after the merger with PE, in 1987.

JD CRP

Topic: RE: CO In Australia
Username: STT757
Posted 2013-01-20 06:55:36 and read 10409 times.

HNL-AKL-BNE (4x weekly)
HNL-AKL-CNS (3x weekly)
HNL-SYD
HNL-MEL

Most of the flights originated on The US West coast, however they did have direct service from JFK to SYD-MEL from the mid '80s to the late '80s via HNL.

Topic: RE: CO In Australia
Username: EWRCabincrew
Posted 2013-01-20 07:28:05 and read 10291 times.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
HNL-AKL-CNS

We never flew AKL-CNS, we did fly AKL-MEL. We served CNS from HNL and GUM. Routing was HNL-CNS-BNE-HNL.

Topic: RE: CO In Australia
Username: WTXJET
Posted 2013-01-20 12:19:26 and read 8967 times.

Don't forget the LAX-PPT-AKL. This was flown I know in 1987 and I don't remember the end date. If my memory is correct, it was served only a few times per week. I don't remember if this flew onto MEL or SYD.

[Edited 2013-01-20 12:20:12]

Topic: RE: CO In Australia
Username: GSPflyer
Posted 2013-01-20 12:41:33 and read 8689 times.

They also served GUM-CNS, and UA continues to operate the route.

Topic: RE: CO In Australia
Username: EWRCabincrew
Posted 2013-01-20 12:51:46 and read 8580 times.

Quoting WTXJET (Reply 9):
I don't remember if this flew onto MEL or SYD.

The a/c went onto AKL and SYD from PPT.

Topic: RE: CO In Australia
Username: PagoFlyer
Posted 2013-01-20 13:40:25 and read 8106 times.

Summer of '78 or '79 we flew CO, DC 10, from HNL to PPG to visit friends/family. While in PPG the DC 10 was grounded, (ORD). CO picked up our hotel/meals tab and a week later (?), PA 747 diverted from PPT to pick us up.

Topic: RE: CO In Australia
Username: PSAJet17
Posted 2013-01-20 15:33:57 and read 7115 times.

I joined CO in 1979 and service to Sydney and Auckland was already in place. The flight from HNL to SYD stopped in either PPT or PPG while the HNL-AKL flight stopped in PPG. The incident in ORD with AA191 on May 25th 1979 and the subsequent grounding of DC-10s were crippling to CO as we had no long range aircraft to replace the 10's.

Topic: RE: CO In Australia
Username: COSPN
Posted 2013-01-20 15:43:10 and read 7023 times.

Airmike used to have DC-10 service GUM-BNE-SYD-GUM

Topic: RE: CO In Australia
Username: pusserchef
Posted 2013-01-20 20:07:55 and read 5432 times.

Quoting GSPflyer (Reply 10):
They also served GUM-CNS, and UA continues to operate the route.

UA98 flies out of Guam on thursday afternoons and arrives into Cairns just prior to midnight (local) and UA99 departs approx 0120 friday (local) mornings. These flights currently use a B738 or 73G.

Topic: RE: CO In Australia
Username: ecuatoriana707
Posted 2013-01-21 01:15:59 and read 4086 times.

In 1990 I flew on a CO DC10 from SYD - HNL - LAX. I remember there was still a lounge area between the business and economy cabin. In 1991 I flew LAX-HNL-CNS-BNE again on a DC10 but this one had no lounge area.

Topic: RE: CO In Australia
Username: CARST
Posted 2013-01-21 03:17:45 and read 3656 times.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 5):
Here are some route maps that may help you out:

1971 - No Australia, but several small south pacific stops on milk runs. http://www.departedflights.com/CO103171.html
1978 - The year prior to Australia service, with authorized routes but not yet being flown -
http://www.departedflights.com/CO043078.html
1979 - It's on, CO is flying to Sydney & Auckland - http://www.departedflights.com/CO060179.html
1980 - The Pacific flying is flying on CO Micronesia - http://www.departedflights.com/CO090880.html

Raises the question, what happened to Continental Hotels? Do they still exist? Do they have a new owner/name? And why only at these small Pacific islands?

Topic: RE: CO In Australia
Username: SpaceshipDC10
Posted 2013-01-21 03:55:04 and read 3494 times.

Now I remember that CO ordered these two DC-10-30s specifically for their Pacific network. Until their delivery in 1980, CO only operated DC-10-10s/-10CFs.


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Topic: RE: CO In Australia
Username: PSAJet17
Posted 2013-01-21 09:57:31 and read 3050 times.

With the early CO service HNL-SYD (approx 5000 miles) it required the DC-10-10 in use to stop either in PPT or PPG since the stated range of a -10 was only 3800 miles.

I was with CO in 79/80 and don't remember AirMike having DC-10s at the time, only B727 and most were being flown by former WWII pilots, some who had seen action in the Marshall Islands and could tell some great stories while making the approach to Truk or Kwajalein.

Topic: RE: CO In Australia
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2013-01-21 10:15:06 and read 3008 times.

Quoting pusserchef (Reply 15):
UA98 flies out of Guam on thursday afternoons and arrives into Cairns just prior to midnight (local) and UA99 departs approx 0120 friday (local) mornings. These flights currently use a B738 or 73G.

Its only once a week now?


The time is coming for HA to do HNL-CNS

Topic: RE: CO In Australia
Username: STT757
Posted 2013-01-21 10:23:33 and read 2980 times.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 20):
Its only once a week now?

2x, Thursday and Sunday.

Topic: RE: CO In Australia
Username: SpaceshipDC10
Posted 2013-01-21 15:14:10 and read 2772 times.

Quoting PSAJet17 (Reply 19):
With the early CO service HNL-SYD (approx 5000 miles) it required the DC-10-10 in use to stop either in PPT or PPG since the stated range of a -10 was only 3800 miles.

They had to rely on those two -30s for almost two years before getting another pair from the second-hand market.

Quoting PSAJet17 (Reply 19):
I was with CO in 79/80 and don't remember AirMike having DC-10s at the time, only B727 and most were being flown by former WWII pilots

They were probably leased in from CO when required and with no special markings.

Topic: RE: CO In Australia
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-01-21 15:28:18 and read 2742 times.

Quoting CARST (Reply 17):
And why only at these small Pacific islands?

If memory correct it was because there was virtually no adquate hotel accommodation on many of the small islands served by CO's Air Micronesia operation so the hotels were built to assist in developing tourist traffic.

It was a smaller-scale equivalent of Pan Am's InterContinental Hotels subsidiary which built the first hotels that met international standards in many smaller Pan Am destinations all over the world.

Topic: RE: CO In Australia
Username: COSPN
Posted 2013-01-21 20:03:06 and read 2518 times.

Lots of DC-10-10's 6 or so

http://www.airliners.net/search/phot..._id+desc&page_limit=15&thumbnails=

Topic: RE: CO In Australia
Username: SpaceshipDC10
Posted 2013-01-22 00:31:37 and read 2444 times.

Quoting COSPN (Reply 24):
Lots of DC-10-10's 6 or so

Compared to UA or AA DC-10-10 fleets, that wasn't that much. For a while (about three years) CO had 16 DC-10-10/-10CF

Topic: RE: CO In Australia
Username: COSPN
Posted 2013-01-22 20:57:16 and read 2065 times.

Well its alot for Guam an Island of 160,000 now only 2 UA 777-200's operate to Guam

Topic: RE: CO In Australia
Username: SpaceshipDC10
Posted 2013-01-23 01:11:53 and read 1955 times.

Quoting COSPN (Reply 26):
Well its alot for Guam an Island of 160,000 now only 2 UA 777-200's operate to Guam

That way I can understand it was lots.

Topic: RE: CO In Australia
Username: CARST
Posted 2013-01-23 05:03:57 and read 1830 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 23):

If memory correct it was because there was virtually no adquate hotel accommodation on many of the small islands served by CO's Air Micronesia operation so the hotels were built to assist in developing tourist traffic.

It was a smaller-scale equivalent of Pan Am's InterContinental Hotels subsidiary which built the first hotels that met international standards in many smaller Pan Am destinations all over the world.

Hey thx for that answer Viscount!

I did not know that both airlines had hotels. Only knew about Swissair and SAS. I recently wondered when checking in why different InterContinental hotels are part of different companies. I assume when PanAm went bust the hotels were independently sold off to different companies?

And what happend to Continental Hotels? I don't find anything about them Google or Wiki. Still open? Closed?

Topic: RE: CO In Australia
Username: SpaceshipDC10
Posted 2013-01-23 08:52:24 and read 1738 times.

Quoting CARST (Reply 28):
I assume when PanAm went bust the hotels were independently sold off to different companies?

When Pan Am went bust, the Intercontinental were long gone from its assets. They were sold during the '80s when the company needed a lot of money due to the competition following deregulation but also because of the high price it paid for the little National Airlines.

Edit: From Wikipedia.

Quote:
Disposal of non-core assets and operational cutbacks

As 1980 progressed and the airline's financial situation worsened, Seawell began selling Pan Am's non-core assets. The first asset to be sold off was the airline's 50% interest in Falcon Jet Corporation in August. Later in November, Pan Am sold the Pan Am Building to the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company for $400 million. In September 1981 Pan Am sold off its InterContinental hotels chain. Before this transaction closed, Seawell was replaced by C. Edward Acker, Air Florida's founder and ex-president as well as a former Braniff International executive. The combined sale value of the InterContinental chain and the Falcon Jet Corp stake was $500 million.


[Edited 2013-01-23 09:02:21]

Topic: RE: CO In Australia
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-01-23 16:14:25 and read 1537 times.

Quoting CARST (Reply 28):
I did not know that both airlines had hotels. Only knew about Swissair and SAS.

TWA also owned Hilton International (only the international hotels, not the U.S. domestic operation) from 1964 to 1986, when they sold Hilton International to UA's parent company which only kept it for a year or so before disposing of it. UA had owned Westin Hotels (originally Western International), now part of Starwood (Sheraton etc.) for quite a few years at the time they acquired Hilton International from TWA.


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