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Topic: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: someone83
Posted 2012-10-28 20:35:35 and read 25464 times.

Seems like the last one got archived after a quiet period order wise

Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 Part 1 (by someone83 Jan 24 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Assume the newest TK and SQ orders should show up in Boeing and Airbus' order book pretty soon, but who else are we waiting on the conformation from?

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: someone83
Posted 2012-10-30 03:44:03 and read 25013 times.

Etihad orders to firmed A330-200 from Airbus, in addition to converting seven A320 to A321.


http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...-two-more-a330-passenger-aircraft/

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: mffoda
Posted 2012-10-30 05:41:36 and read 24819 times.

Rostech is exercising purchase rights for 35 737 Max's that were part of a 2010 agreement.

"Boeing Gets $3 Billion Deal With Rostech Unit for Max Model 737s"

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-1...stech-unit-for-max-model-737s.html

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Flying-Tiger
Posted 2012-10-30 06:08:05 and read 24743 times.

Appears to be the "orders day":

[quote]Avation Plc (LSE: AVAP) the aircraft procurement and leasing company is pleased to announce that following
a confirmation from Virgin Australia of its desire for an additional three ATR 72-600 aircraft to be made
available to it throughout the course of 2014, the Company will exercise aircraft purchase options to
acquire three new additional ATR 72-600 aircraft for this purpose.[/unquote]

http://www.marketwire.com/press-rele...2-600-options-lse-avap-1719152.htm

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: phxa340
Posted 2012-10-30 06:29:44 and read 24673 times.

Quoting someone83 (Thread starter):
SQ orders should show up in Boeing

Confused , were the 787s for Scoot new 787 orders or is SQ simply transferring existing SQ orders to Scoot ? Thanks.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-10-30 06:35:57 and read 24649 times.

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 4):
Confused , were the 787s for Scoot new 787 orders or is SQ simply transferring existing SQ orders to Scoot ? Thanks.

SQ transferred the orders to Scoot. So we should just see a customer change (delete SQ, add TZ).

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: f4f3a
Posted 2012-10-30 07:02:21 and read 24569 times.

Does anyone know when the U2 decision on fleet
Replacement is going to happen? Could be a big end
Of year order for whoever wins

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: doulasc
Posted 2012-10-30 07:55:27 and read 24476 times.

whats the latest news on JetBlue's order for some A320 NEO and about 30 A321s?

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: scouseflyer
Posted 2012-10-30 08:31:40 and read 24391 times.

Quoting f4f3a (Reply 6):
Does anyone know when the U2 decision on fleet
Replacement is going to happen? Could be a big end
Of year order for whoever wins
Quoting doulasc (Reply 7):
whats the latest news on JetBlue's order for some A320 NEO and about 30 A321s?

Could there be a end of year Airbus order bonanza?

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: wingman
Posted 2012-10-30 09:54:45 and read 24262 times.

There's one every year!

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: someone83
Posted 2012-10-31 15:27:51 and read 23936 times.

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 4):

Confused , were the 787s for Scoot new 787 orders or is SQ simply transferring existing SQ orders to Scoot ? Thanks.

Seems like a wasn't accurate enough, for SQ and a only wait for them to show up in Airbus' order books (the A380 and A350), while the recent orders from TK should soon be shown in both's

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: PanAm_DC10
Posted 2012-11-04 16:43:06 and read 23509 times.

ALAFCO have firmed their commitment for 20 737MAX-8's

Boeing, ALAFCO Firms up Order for 20 Boeing 737 MAXs

KUWAIT, Nov. 4, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA) and Kuwait airplane leasing company ALAFCO finalized an order for 20 Boeing 737 MAX 8s valued at $2.0 billion at current list price. The order was first announced as a commitment at the Farnborough Airshow in July.

Source Boeing and ALAFCO via www.boeing.com

Boeing now state they have a total of 878 737 MAX orders

Regards

Paul

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: flood
Posted 2012-11-05 20:18:52 and read 23251 times.

Aeromexico has firmed their order for 60 MAX-8 / 9:

"Mexico City, November 5, 2012. – Grupo Aeromexico [...]
has announced that the Company has finalized a purchase agreement with
Boeing Aircraft to purchase up to 90 Boeing 737 MAX narrow body aircraft. [...]
Of the 90 aircraft, 60 are firm deliveries, with the ability to purchase an
additional 30 aircraft, subject to reconfirmation by Grupo Aeromexico."

http://www.aeromexico.com/us/downloa...anuncio_de_compra_de_flota_vfi.pdf

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: someone83
Posted 2012-11-08 06:37:07 and read 23249 times.

Tranaa har placed a firm order for 6 A321neo
http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...ays-orders-six-additional-a321neo/

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: someone83
Posted 2012-11-08 09:22:33 and read 23258 times.

Boeing has updated their website and 60 737s for AeroMexico and 20 for ALAFCO has been firmed

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: someone83
Posted 2012-11-09 00:12:17 and read 23257 times.

This should bring Boeing's firm order so fra in 2012 to:

Boeing

Firm Orders
Air Astana - 4 767-300ER & 3 787-8
Air Canada - 3 777-300ER
Air China - 5 747-8i
Air Lease Corp. - 75 737-MAX
Air New Zealand - 2 787-9
* ALAFCO - 20 737-MAX
* Alaska Airlines - 16 737-900ER, 20 737-8MAX &17 737-9MAX
All Nippon Airways - 11 787-9
American Airlines - 3 777-300ER
Avolon - 10 737-800 & 15 737-MAX
Boeing Business Jets - 1 737-700BBJ
China Eastern - 45 737-800
El Al Israel Airlines - 2 737-900ER
Ethiopian Airlines - 1 777-200LR
FedEx - 15 767-300F
GE Capital - 10 737-800 & 75 737-MAX
*GOL - 60 737-8MAX
Japan Airlines - 10 787-9
Jet Airways - 17 737-800
Korean Air Lines - 2 777-300ER
Lion Air - 29 737-900ER, 201 737-MAX & 5 787-8
Norwegian Air Shuttle - 22 737-800, 100 737-MAX
Pakistan Int'l Airlines - 5 777-300ER
TAAG Angola Airlines - 3 777-300ER
Transaero Airlines - 4 787-8
Turkmenistan Airlines - 1 737-800
United Airlines - 50 737-900ER & 100 737-MAX
Virgin Australia - 1 737-800 & 23 737-MAX
U.S. Navy - 11 737-800A
Unidentified - 4 737-800 & 2 777-300ER
Unidentified - 1 737-800, 1 777-300ER & 3 787-8
*Unidentified - 22 737-MAX

Don't have any updates/overview of the cancellations/conversions/identifies groups, but maybe Hamlet69 has?

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: mffoda
Posted 2012-11-09 07:10:21 and read 23254 times.

Quoting someone83 (Reply 15):
This should bring Boeing's firm order so fra in 2012 to:

You forgot Aeromexico in your list = 60 - 737 MAX

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: someone83
Posted 2012-11-09 08:00:43 and read 23256 times.

Quoting mffoda (Reply 16):

You forgot Aeromexico in your list = 60 - 737 MAX

harder than woodpecker lips...


The list is up to 31/10  

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: someone83
Posted 2012-11-12 06:25:16 and read 23255 times.

Accordng to Airbus' spreadsheet, Afriqiyah has ordered four A350-900, and converted its six A350-800 on order to -900

Confirmed order October, most of them already known:
Turkish: 15 A330-300
Etihad: 2 A330-200
Afriqiyah: 4 A350-900
Airbus Private Jet: 2 A319ACJ

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: scouseflyer
Posted 2012-11-12 07:33:36 and read 23259 times.

Quoting someone83 (Reply 18):
Accordng to Airbus' spreadsheet, Afriqiyah has ordered four A350-900, and converted its six A350-800 on order to -900

Confirmed order October, most of them already known:
Turkish: 15 A330-300
Etihad: 2 A330-200
Afriqiyah: 4 A350-900
Airbus Private Jet: 2 A319ACJ

Good month for Airbus wide bodies and the SQ A350 and A380s to come.

Anyone think that the AF/KLM A350 order will get firmed this year?

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: fcogafa
Posted 2012-11-12 08:53:28 and read 23252 times.

Flightglobal reports that GFA have cancelled 20 A330s and replaced them with 16 NEOs and 8 standard A320s.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: mffoda
Posted 2012-11-12 15:05:03 and read 23252 times.

Mexican airline Interjet orders 40 A320neo. Doesn't give delivery info.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...erjet-airbus-idUSBRE8AB18420121112

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: someone83
Posted 2012-11-12 23:20:40 and read 23249 times.

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 20):
Flightglobal reports that GFA have cancelled 20 A330s

Wasn't ten of these among the one cancelled in September?

See part one of this thread

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: scbriml
Posted 2012-11-13 04:18:32 and read 23258 times.

Quoting someone83 (Reply 22):
Wasn't ten of these among the one cancelled in September?

Possibly - that cancellation of 10 was listed as "undisclosed" showing -10 A330-300s and GF still listed as 20 on order. That's still the case in October's O&D spreadsheet. I'll guess we'll have to wait a month to see what happens unless Airbus make an announcement before then.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Flying-Tiger
Posted 2012-11-13 12:50:34 and read 23255 times.

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 20):
Flightglobal reports that GFA have cancelled 20 A330s and replaced them with 16 NEOs and 8 standard A320s.

This would actually leave GF off the hook pretty cheap IMO. 20 WBs traded against 24 NBs? Something behind the scenes we don´t know of yet? (=> "undisclosed optioned A350 XWBs"?)

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Hamlet69
Posted 2012-11-13 19:20:01 and read 23636 times.

Sorry bout the delay, folks. Those 60-hr+ weeks are really starting to catch up with me.  

However, I do have the full update for October. And also, a huge THANK YOU to Someone83 for getting this new thread going!!   


Airbus

Firm Orders
Afriqiyah Airways - 3 A330-200
* Afriqiyah Airways - 4 A350-900
Airbus Corporate Jets - 2 A318CJ & 1 A330-200
* Airbus Corporate Jets - 2 A319CJ
Aircraft Purchase Fleet - 2 A320
Air Namibia - 2 A319
Air Lease Corp. - 36 A320Neo, 1 A330-200 & 2 A330-300
Arkia Israeli Airlines - 4 A321Neo (the MOU was for 4 Neo's, however, up to 3 could be Oeo's based on other statements)
AviancaTaca - 18 A32X, 33 A32X Neo. (Airbus shows 27 A319's, 20 A320's & 4 A321's. However, the individual breakdown between Oeo and Neo is not known at this time)
BOC Aviation - 3 A320
Cathay Pacific - 6 A350-900 & 10 A350-1000
CIT Leasing - 10 A330-300
Druk Air - 1 A319
Etihad Airways - 2 A330-200F
* Etihad Airways - 2 A330-200
Garuda Indonesia - 11 A330-300
ICBC Leasing - 30 A320 & 20 A320Neo
Norwegian Air Shuttle - 100 A320Neo
Philippine Airlines - 34 A321, 10 A321Neo & 20 A330-300
Spirit Airlines - 30 A320
Synergy Aerospace - 6 A330-200 & 3 A330-200F
Tibet Airlines - 3 A319
TransAero Airlines - 4 A380-800
* Turkish Airlines - A330-300
UTair - 20 A321
Undisclosed - 10 A320Neo


Cancellations
AerCap - 1 A330-200
Afriqiyah Airways - 3 A321
AirAsia X - 1 A330-200
Airbus Corporate Jets - 1 A318CJ
Aircraft Purchase Fleet - 14 A320
ALAFCO - 6 A350-900
CIT Leasing - 1 A319 & 3 A320
Etihad Airways - 7 A350-1000
* Etihad Airways - 2 A320
Intrepid Aviation - 2 A330-200F
MatlinPatterson - 6 A330-200F
Undisclosed - 10 A330-300


Conversions
* Afriqiyah Airways - 6 A350-800 to 6 A350-900
AirAsiaX - 1 A330-200 to 1 A330-300
Aircraft Purchase Fleet - 1 A330-200 to Air Lease Corp. - 1 A330-200
Aircraft Purchase Fleet - 1 A330-200 to GE Capital - 1 A330-200
Air Lease Corp. - 1 A320 to 1 A321
ALAFCO - 1 A320 to Air Berlin 1 A320
Aviation Capital - 2 A320 to 2 A321
BOC Aviation - 2 A320 to 2 A321
* BOC Aviation - 2 A320 to 2 A321
CASGC - 2 A320 to Spring Airlines - 2 A320
CASGC - 2 A320 to Juneyao Airlines - 2 A321
Cathay Pacific - 16 A350-900 to 16 A350-1000
CIT Leasing - 1 A330-200 to 1 A330-300
Etihad Airways - 6 A320 to 6 A321
GECAS - 8 A320 to 8 A321
Germania - 2 A319 to 2 A321
ICBC - 3 A320 to 3 A321
IndiGo - 18 A320 to 18 A321 (it is unknown if these are CEO or NEO)
Intrepid Aviation - 5 A330-200F to 2 A330-200 & 3 A330-300
Juneyao Airlines - 1 A320 to 1 A321
Korean Air Lines - 6 A330-200 to 6 A330-300
Singapore Airlines - 5 A330-300 to AerCap Ireland - 5 A330-300
Spirit Airlines - 13 A319 to 13 A320
TACA Int'l - 7 A320 to 2 A319 & 5 A321
* US Airways - 1 A319 & 10 A320 to 11 A321


Identified
Air Berlin - 5 A320 & 14 A321
ALAFCO - 35 A320Neo
Gulf Air - 1 A320 & 4 A321
WizzAir - -20 A320 (cancellation booked December 2011)



Boeing

Firm Orders
Air Astana - 4 767-300ER & 3 787-8
Air Canada - 3 777-300ER
Air China - 5 747-8i
Air Lease Corp. - 75 737-MAX
Air New Zealand - 2 787-9
* ALAFCO - 20 737-MAX
Alaska Airlines - 3 737-900ER
* Alaska Airlines - 13 737-900ER & 37 737-MAX
All Nippon Airways - 11 787-9
American Airlines - 3 777-300ER
Avolon - 10 737-800 & 15 737-MAX
Boeing Business Jets - 1 737-700BBJ
China Eastern - 45 737-800
El Al Israel Airlines - 2 737-900ER
Ethiopian Airlines - 1 777-200LR
FedEx - 15 767-300F
GE Capital - 10 737-800 & 75 737-MAX
* GOL - 60 737-MAX
Japan Airlines - 10 787-9
Jet Airways - 17 737-800
Korean Air Lines - 2 777-300ER
Lion Air - 29 737-900ER, 201 737-MAX & 5 787-8
Norwegian Air Shuttle - 22 737-800, 100 737-MAX
Pakistan Int'l Airlines - 5 777-300ER
TAAG Angola Airlines - 3 777-300ER
Transaero Airlines - 4 787-8
Turkmenistan Airlines - 1 737-800
United Airlines - 50 737-900ER & 100 737-MAX
Virgin Australia - 1 737-800 & 23 737-MAX
U.S. Navy - 11 737-800A
Unidentified - 5 737-800, 2 777-300ER, 1 777-300ER & 3 787-8
* Unidentified - 22 737-MAX


Cancellations
Air Europa - 3 737-800
AWAS - 2 737-800
Boeing Business Jets - 1 787-8
China Eastern - 15 787-8
* GOL - 12 737-800
Jet Airways - 2 777-300ER
Qantas - 35 787-9
Royal Brunei Airlines (UFO) - 4 777-300ER
Shanghai Airlines - 9 787-8


Conversions
AeroMexico - 6 737-700 to 6 737-800
Air Berlin - 7 737-700 to 7 737-800
* Alaska Airlines - 3 737-800 to 3 737-900ER
All Nippon Airways - 4 787-8 to 4 787-9
American Airlines - 1 777-200ER to 1 777-300ER
Aviation Capital - 8 737-700 to 8 737-800
CIT Leasing - 1 737-900ER to 1 737-800
Continental Airlines - 38 737-700 & 9 737-900ER to United Airlines - 47 737-900ER
ILFC - 1 737-700 to 1 737-800
Lion Air - 8 737-900ER to 8 737-800
SpiceJet - 1 737-900ER to 1 737-800
Vietnam Aircraft Leasing - 8 787-8 to Air Lease Corp. 8 787-9
WestJet - 4 737-700 to 4 737-800
Unidentified - 3 737-700 to 3 737-800 (order placed 22 June, 2011)


Identified
Air Canada - 2 777-300ER (from Aug. 2011)
Air France/KLM Group - 25 787-9 (from Dec. 2011)
American Airlines - 2 777-300ER (from Aug. 2011)
China Eastern - 3 737-700 & 4 737-800 (from Feb. 2008)
Hainan Airlines - 4 737-700 & 8 737-800 (from Nov. 2007)
Japan Airlines - 1 737-800 (from Aug. 2010)
LAN Airlines - 2 767-300ER (from Dec. 2011)
Shandong Airlines - 6 737-800 (from Aug. 2007)
Shanghai Airlines - 2 737-800 (from Dec. 2006)
Shanghai Airlines - 2 737-800 (from April 2007)
Shanghai Airlines - 2 737-700 & 3 737-800 (from Dec. 2007)
Shenzhen Airlines - 10 737-800 (from Sept. 2007)
Virgin Atlantic - 1 787-9 (from Dec. 2009)


Regards,

Hamlet69

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: flood
Posted 2012-11-14 05:54:12 and read 23504 times.

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 25):
Arkia Israeli Airlines - 4 A321Neo (the MOU was for 4 Neo's, however, up to 3 could be Oeo's based on other statements)

That was my understanding, as in a previous monthly update they stated "also included in the month's order book was one A321neo for Arkia Israel".

It seems this was a miscommunication and Arkia did take their 4 Neos, as Airbus today claimed they have firmed 1515 Neos. Interjet's 40 Neos are firm as well.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: flood
Posted 2012-11-14 16:08:31 and read 24146 times.

SilkAir has firmed their 737 order:

"finalized an order for 54 Next-Generation 737s and 737 MAX 8s worth $4.9 billion at list prices. With this agreement, the 737 MAX has accumulated 969 orders to date."
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2498

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-11-14 16:17:26 and read 24170 times.

With this order, the 737 family has surpassed 1000 net orders for the year - the first time such an achievement has been reached.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Karan69
Posted 2012-11-14 22:44:15 and read 24130 times.

If I am not mistaken the GF air order has been reduced on Airbus books to reflect 6 330s and the 24 320 CEO and NEO ,
Can anyone confirm the 6 330 order

Quoting Stitch (Reply 28):

Has the 320 achieved the 1000 order year before or is the 737 the first one to do so

Karan

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-11-15 07:41:15 and read 24144 times.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 29):
Has the 320 achieved the 1000 order year before or is the 737 the first one to do so.

Airbus doesn't break down their orders by model per year, but I believe the A320 family (oeo and neo) broke the 1000-order mark in 2011. They might also have done so in 2007.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: mffoda
Posted 2012-11-15 10:12:01 and read 24125 times.

Here's the weekly Boeing update..

"Changes since last update: 62 new orders (SilkAir 54 737s, Business Jet / VIP Customer(s) one 787, and Unidentified Customer(s) two 737s and five 787s. Identified Avianca order for three 787s previously listed as unidentified. In the Changes category, reduced 737 net orders by 15."

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Hamlet69
Posted 2012-11-15 10:19:04 and read 24113 times.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 29):
If I am not mistaken the GF air order has been reduced on Airbus books to reflect 6 330s and the 24 320 CEO and NEO ,
Can anyone confirm the 6 330 order

Not as of their October 31 update. I'm looking at it right now, and there is no change in GF's current order. However, as I postulated before in 'Part 1' of this thread, the -14 frames for Undisclosed is still there, and it is my belief that these are GF.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 29):
Has the 320 achieved the 1000 order year before or is the 737 the first one to do so

As Stitch correctly mentioned, the A32X Family broke the 1,000 net order mark last year (1,348). That was the first year that aircraft achieved that mark as well. In 2007, they came close with 913.


Regards,

Hamlet69

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Hamlet69
Posted 2012-11-15 10:21:08 and read 24150 times.

Today, Boeing revealed that Avianca is the customer behind the UFO order for x3 787-8's from September 28 of this year.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2501


In addition, their weekly update reflects the following other changes:

Firm
SilkAir - 23 737-800 & 31 737-MAX 8
Boeing Business Jets - 1 787
Unidentified - 2 737 & 5 787


Cancellations
UFO - 15 737NG


Regards,

Hamlet69

[Edited 2012-11-15 10:24:30]

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: mffoda
Posted 2012-11-19 16:40:07 and read 24075 times.

TK orders 15 + 5 options for the 777-300ER.

http://www.arabianaerospace.aero/tur...red-boeing-777-300er-aircraft.html

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-11-19 17:13:08 and read 24080 times.

Quoting mffoda (Reply 34):
TK orders 15 + 5 options for the 777-300ER.

They did so last month.  

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Someone83
Posted 2012-11-23 04:48:04 and read 23998 times.

Maybe we see some more Airbus orders from China now that the carbon-tax is being removed. China Eastern is first out with an order for 60 A320s (ceo)

http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...s-sells-18-regional-jets-to-airbus

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: zeke
Posted 2012-11-26 23:16:40 and read 23283 times.

Anyone able to confirm that Air China 747-8 order has changed ?

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-11-27 07:29:59 and read 22914 times.

Quoting zeke (Reply 37):
Anyone able to confirm that Air China 747-8 order has changed?

They continue to have five 747-8 Intercontinentals on order.

The three 747-8 freighters originally assigned to them in the firing order are now assigned to Cathay Pacific Cargo.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: zeke
Posted 2012-12-03 07:04:19 and read 22313 times.

Anyone hear of updates to the Cathay 77F order, and Qatar A350 order ?

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Someone83
Posted 2012-12-03 07:11:28 and read 22292 times.

Quoting zeke (Reply 39):
and Qatar A350 order ?

Guess we have to wait untill Airbus release their monthly update. But according to a press release from Airbus today they have converted 20 -800s to 3 -900s and 17 -1000s

http://www.airbus.com/no_cache/press...dorses-the-larger-a350-xwb-models/

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: india1
Posted 2012-12-03 07:21:14 and read 22280 times.

Anyone hear of updates to the Cathay 77F order, and Qatar A350 order ?

Here you go, Zeke... http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/.../uk-airbus-a-idUSLNE8B202920121203

...the anticipated scrapping of 800s and conversion to the larger models.

The -800 is now down to only 92 units. Wow!

Another release by Bloomberg says Airbus can save 1B euros by not proceeding with the -800. Might this be plowed back into more enhancements for the 330 then?

[Edited 2012-12-03 07:26:19]

[Edited 2012-12-03 07:30:52]

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-12-03 07:25:50 and read 22325 times.

Quoting zeke (Reply 39):
Anyone hear of updates to the Cathay 77F order...

Latest speculation in the 747-8 production thread is that CX wants to order additional 777-300ERs instead of taking delivery of their 777 freighters and just operate a 747 freighter fleet. To accomplish this, Cathay has agreed to take over the three 747-8Fs that Air China Cargo evidently has an unannounced MoU on and in return Air China Cargo will take over some of the 777F orders Cathay has on order.

So I am guessing we'll see CX announce a conversion from the 777F to the 77W and 748F followed by Air China Cargo announcing a 777F order.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: india1
Posted 2012-12-03 18:48:03 and read 21999 times.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...rbus-bregier-idUSBRE8B21AE20121203

Almost 200 a/c sold in Nov, ytd @ 646 units gross, says Airbus. This weeks Nov details should be fun!

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Chiad
Posted 2012-12-04 00:25:14 and read 21831 times.

Quoting india1 (Reply 43):
Almost 200 a/c sold in Nov, ytd @ 646 units gross, says Airbus.

Wow .. thanks for the info.
In December Airbus normally firms up plenty. Would be cool if we can get some more Chinese orders.
AirAsia could also squeeze in another 100 before year end.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-12-04 08:40:22 and read 21518 times.

Quoting Chiad (Reply 44):
Would be cool if we can get some more Chinese orders.

Leahey is on his way to China as we speak, so now that the EU has backed off of ETS for at least a year I expect those A330 orders will be firmed.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: someone83
Posted 2012-12-06 12:36:44 and read 21221 times.

Quite a lot of "UFO-activity" for Boeing this week. 2 new 747 orders and 5 cancellation. Most likely 5 747-8i for Emirates Sky Cargo/DAE. In addition one 767 cancellation, airline unknown

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-12-06 12:47:57 and read 21166 times.

Quoting someone83 (Reply 46):
In addition one 767 cancellation, airline unknown.

Appears to be Air Astana per another site.



The 15 UFO cancellations in November were by United Airlines. The 5-frame 787 UFO on 7 November are 4 787-9s and 1 787-8 and all have GEnx power. Transaero is once again the Customer of Record for their 4 787s (they had been moved to DL Air SPV and are now back with Transwero).

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Cerecl
Posted 2012-12-06 18:08:27 and read 20762 times.

Quoting someone83 (Reply 46):
2 new 747 orders

Do we know if these are the -F or the -i variant? Thank you.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Chiad
Posted 2012-12-07 01:28:42 and read 20608 times.

This leaves Boeing with 21 wide-body net orders, of which 18 is for the B767.
  

Wide-body deliveries was record 161 frames.
  

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: scbriml
Posted 2012-12-07 04:20:08 and read 20305 times.

Quoting Cerecl (Reply 48):
Do we know if these are the -F or the -i variant? Thank you.

They're Fs.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Chiad
Posted 2012-12-07 06:21:39 and read 20204 times.

Airbus' spreadsheet has been updated.

Orders November
183 A320's
1 A332
2 A345  

January - November total
585 net orders (incl. 66 wide-bodies)

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Chiad
Posted 2012-12-07 06:24:01 and read 20617 times.

Deliveries total 516 (incl. 115 wide-bodies)

http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/back...iveries_table/OD_2012_November.xls

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Focker
Posted 2012-12-07 06:59:22 and read 20519 times.

Quoting Chiad (Reply 51):
Airbus' spreadsheet has been updated.

Orders November
183 A320's
1 A332
2 A345

Do we know who is behind the 183 A320's?

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-12-07 07:01:25 and read 20512 times.

Quoting Focker (Reply 53):
Do we know who is behind the 183 A320's?

I'm sure the answer is "whom", as it must be multiple customers.  

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Focker
Posted 2012-12-07 07:05:14 and read 20484 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 54):
I'm sure the answer is "whom", as it must be multiple customers.

That is what I meant to ask, but hey... English is not my mother tongue!  

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-07 07:07:02 and read 20521 times.

Quoting Focker (Reply 53):
Do we know who is behind the 183 A320's?

The spreadsheet says 100 A320's for an undisclosed customer. I'm guessing at AirAsia.

Other orders came from Interjet, Tibet Airlines, TransAsia Airways and CALC.

[Edited 2012-12-07 07:13:10]

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: PM
Posted 2012-12-07 23:20:53 and read 20198 times.

Quoting Chiad (Reply 51):
1 A332

Actually, not a new order but an assumption by Iraqi Airways of the last remaining A330-200 ordered in February 2011 by Air Asia X.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: wimdemeester
Posted 2012-12-08 03:38:52 and read 19912 times.

I am not sure why the long expected Air Asia commitment for an additional 100 a/c would be booked as "undisclosed"? What about the possibility that Turkish Airlines, Lion Air or perhaps Easy Jet may have committed in order to get delivery positions within a decade as from now.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: sirtoby
Posted 2012-12-08 03:42:49 and read 19935 times.

Looks like this is an order for 64 neo and 36 ceo as pointed out here:
http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.de/2012/12/mystery-a320-customer.html

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-08 05:28:43 and read 19761 times.

Quoting wimdemeester (Reply 58):

I am not sure why the long expected Air Asia commitment for an additional 100 a/c would be booked as "undisclosed"? What about the possibility that Turkish Airlines, Lion Air or perhaps Easy Jet may have committed in order to get delivery positions within a decade as from now.

That's another possibility indeed, but if I have to guess I'm going for AirAsia.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Focker
Posted 2012-12-08 06:45:11 and read 19642 times.

Quoting sirtoby (Reply 59):
Looks like this is an order for 64 neo and 36 ceo as pointed out here:
http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.de/20....html

One of the comments in the blog suggests the possibility that AirAsia and Airbus will announce this order when the first "Sharkletted" 320 is handed over to AirAsia.

Seems to make sense to me.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: col
Posted 2012-12-08 16:23:37 and read 19340 times.

Quoting Focker (Reply 61):
One of the comments in the blog suggests the possibility that AirAsia and Airbus will announce this order when the first "Sharkletted" 320 is handed over to AirAsia.

Seems to make sense to me.

As long as we don't have to wait until Caterham win a Grand Prix or QPR get a win this season, the sharklet delivery would be my best guess. I am a little disappointed that it is only 36 non neo, they did say at least 50 required.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: someone83
Posted 2012-12-10 04:14:17 and read 18864 times.

Quoting mffoda (Reply 34):
TK orders 15 + 5 options for the 777-300ER.

According to Beoing, this order is now firmed

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2521

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-14 03:43:28 and read 18358 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 60):
That's another possibility indeed, but if I have to guess I'm going for AirAsia.
Quote:
One of the comments in the blog suggests the possibility that AirAsia and Airbus will announce this order when the first "Sharkletted" 320 is handed over to AirAsia.

And AirAsia it is.

http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...ail/airasia-orders-100-more-a320s/

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: someone83
Posted 2012-12-14 03:57:55 and read 18321 times.

Boeing also firmed 4 737s to GECAS, while 3 737s was cancelled, according to their weekly statements

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: zeke
Posted 2012-12-18 10:54:57 and read 17759 times.

"Pegasus selects up to 100 A320neo Family Aircraft"

http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...up-to-100-a320neo-family-aircraft/

" 18 December 2012 Press Release

Pegasus Airlines, the second largest airline in Turkey, has signed for up to 100 A320neo Family aircraft (58 A320neo and 17 A321neo models), of which 75 are firm orders. Pegasus becomes a new Airbus customer and the first Turkish airline to order the A320neo. "

Another largish order after Air Asia.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Someone83
Posted 2012-12-19 06:56:44 and read 17060 times.

FedEx increases their 767-300F order by four

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2537

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Someone83
Posted 2012-12-20 10:59:13 and read 16556 times.

Boeing update this week:
FedEx: 4 767-300F
Republic of Iraq: 1 777 (Guess this was the -200LR delivered recently?)
UFO: 15 737
UFO: 30 777

With the last one being a huge order

Also one cancellation each for 747, 777 and 787

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-12-20 11:03:42 and read 16557 times.

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 68):
Also one cancellation each for 747, 777 and 787.

The 777 would be the 777-200LR Air Austral ordered but never took delivery of. That frame has been re-sold to the Republic of Iraq (and recorded this week).

China Eastern and China Southern have 30 777-300ER orders awaiting approval from the Chinese Government. Normally these deals are firmed during State Visits, but since it is end of year, China might be giving the US an early XMAS present.  

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-20 11:05:00 and read 16548 times.

Another 747 cancellation? Who?

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-12-20 11:10:53 and read 16520 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 70):
Another 747 cancellation? Who?

I'd guess one of the BBJs.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-20 11:23:43 and read 16480 times.

You are proberly right. The production list up to L/N 1488 does not show a 9th BBJ.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-12-21 07:22:37 and read 15969 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 70):
Another 747 cancellation? Who?

It was Lufthansa. They have cancelled delivery of Line Number 1435 so that Boeing can keep it as a dedicated test aircraft for a set of airframe, system and engine improvements due for delivery in late 2013.

Quote:
Explaining the decision, the German carrier’s 747-8 chief pilot Elmar Boje says the extensive flight test modifications already made to the aircraft would mean that, even after post-test refurbishment, the unit would be a non-standard “white elephant” in the Lufthansa fleet. However, he adds the airline’s long-range fleet group is due to decide on adding additional aircraft by the third quarter of 2013, some of which could include 747-8s.

I fully expect once the test work is done Boeing will sell it as a BBJ.

http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....e-xml/awx_12_20_2012_p0-531065.xml

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-21 10:32:26 and read 15644 times.

Thanks for the update.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-12-21 10:48:32 and read 15651 times.

China Airlines have firmed their six frame 777-300ER order today - http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2545

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: PanAm_DC10
Posted 2012-12-21 16:06:41 and read 15375 times.

Will the 4 that GECAS are leasing be new orders too?

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2012-12-21 16:34:35 and read 15764 times.

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 76):
Will the 4 that GECAS are leasing be new orders too?

GECAS still has 16 777-300 ER's that haven't been delivered so they will probably come from those orders.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-12-27 10:09:03 and read 15106 times.

Aeromexico adds six 787-9s, bringing their total Dreamliner family commitment (leased and purchased) to 19 - 9 787-8s and 10 787-9s.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2546

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: qf340500
Posted 2012-12-27 16:47:56 and read 14774 times.

Very quiet on the airbus front this year, normally they have a year end rush... ... ...

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: KPDX
Posted 2012-12-27 16:59:43 and read 14752 times.

Quoting qf340500 (Reply 79):
Very quiet on the airbus front this year, normally they have a year end rush... ... ...

Maybe they're saving them for 31 of December? 

That would be very Airbus.   

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-12-27 17:18:04 and read 14734 times.

Quoting qf340500 (Reply 79):
Very quiet on the airbus front this year, normally they have a year end rush... ... ...

Airbus doesn't announce their year-end totals until late January of the following year.

And Boeing has in the past recorded major orders on 31 December.  

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: scbriml
Posted 2012-12-28 02:02:49 and read 14327 times.

Quoting qf340500 (Reply 79):
Very quiet on the airbus front this year, normally they have a year end rush... ... ...

They do. As Leahy once explained, they often set end of year (or major air shows) as the target dates by which LOIs or MOUs have to be firmed up. I expect they will finalise some orders in the last few days of December, but to be honest, they've just announced two big orders and they've already hit their projected sales target for the year.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 81):
Airbus doesn't announce their year-end totals until late January of the following year.

The 2011 and 2012 annual press conferences were both held on 17th January.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-12-28 08:25:15 and read 13935 times.

Looks like Boeing has secured another two C-40 Clipper sales for the USN and is seeking authority from the DoD and Congress to order a block of 72 P-8A Poseidon for delivery between 2015 and 2019. The C-40 orders I would expect to post this year, with the P-8's posting in 2013 (assuming the request is granted).

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...chase-up-to-72-boeing-p-8s-380553/

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Someone83
Posted 2013-01-02 05:18:00 and read 13258 times.

50 737-8MAX and 10 737-9MAX has been firmed by ACG and booked as a 2012 order

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2548

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: india1
Posted 2013-01-03 06:04:56 and read 12733 times.

More 350s for CIT. Would this also be for the 2012 order book?

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...350-xwb-aircraft-to-its-portfolio/

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: mffoda
Posted 2013-01-03 09:01:22 and read 12483 times.

Boeing's end of year O&D results are out.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2552

- 1,203 net commercial orders is second-largest in company history
- 601 deliveries, most since 1999, fueled by production rate increases
- 737 program breaks records for orders and deliveries in a single year

SEATTLE, Jan. 3, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA) booked 1,203 net commercial airplane orders in 2012, the second-largest number in company history. The company also delivered 601 airplanes, the most since 1999. Boeing's unfilled commercial airplane orders at the end of the year stood at 4,373, the most in company history.

"Our employees rose to the challenge of executing several production rate increases in 2012—a truly remarkable performance," said Ray Conner, president and CEO, Boeing Commercial Airplanes. "Increasing our deliveries by 26 percent allowed us to put more airplanes into the hands of our customers and grow our customer base by offering the best products and services."

The 737 program broke the record for orders for any Boeing model in a single year, accumulating 1,124 net orders. The 737 MAX – the new engine variant of the best-selling 737 – recorded 914 of those orders, bringing total orders to date to 1,064. In addition, the Next-Generation 737 set a new single-year record with 415 deliveries to customers worldwide. The 737 program also celebrated its 10,000th order in 2012.

Boeing's leadership in the widebody market continued in 2012. The year began with the five-continent 787 Dream Tour and ended with 11 787 deliveries in December to seven customers. To date, 49 787s have been delivered to eight customers.

The 777, which totaled 83 deliveries in 2012 and surpassed 1,000 since launch, won 68 net orders. The airplane continues to win accolades from passengers, earning three prestigious awards voted on by business travelers. With 31 deliveries in 2012, the 747-8 Intercontinental and Freighter have received positive reviews from customers and are performing as expected in service.

"As we look ahead to 2013, we're focused on meeting our customer commitments by increasing production rates and delivering high-quality, reliable products and services," said Conner. "We will also transition the 787-9 into production and flight test and work closely with customers, who contribute so much to our success, to continue defining the 787-10X and 777X."

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Someone83
Posted 2013-01-03 09:54:40 and read 12387 times.

And the firm changes in Boeing's orderbook last week and up to 31/12 was:

ACG: 50 737-8MAX and 10 737-9MAX
China Airlines: 6 777-300ER
AeroMexico: 6 787
US Navy: 2 737
Unidentified: 40 737s

Cancellations:
Unidentified: 25 737s and 1 787

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: mffoda
Posted 2013-01-03 10:07:59 and read 12359 times.

And of the 40 UFO 737's, 35 appear to be MAX orders. The total went from 1029 to 1064.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Aircellist
Posted 2013-01-03 10:28:25 and read 12278 times.

914 737 MAX... That's two shy of half the 727 production run... In one year.  Wow!

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Chiad
Posted 2013-01-03 13:23:28 and read 12094 times.

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 89):
914 737 MAX... That's two shy of half the 727 production run... In one year.

Remarkable .. but still much less than "just shy" of the NEO's sales performance in 2011 with 1226 unites (not incl. AA's 130 frames) the fastest selling comercial airliner in history!!
 

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-01-04 11:11:59 and read 11785 times.

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 87):
Cancellations:
Unidentified: 25 737s and 1 787

20 of the 737s were from Aviation Capital Group. I do not know why they did not convert them from NGs to MAX, but the contract might not have allowed such a transaction. The other five were from Blue Air.

The 787 was from 17 December 2010 and was originally part of Irish aircraft lessor AWAS' order (who cancelled them in 2010).

(Information per the Aircraft-Orders Google Group)

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Hamlet69
Posted 2013-01-05 12:16:48 and read 11475 times.

Hello all and Happy 2013!!!

I apologize for not getting updates out, but unfortunately the Holidays means a lot of real-life work for me.  

But without further ado, here is Boeing's year-end update, which includes both November and December numbers:


Boeing

Firm Orders
* AeroMexico - 6 787-9
Air Astana - 4 767-300ER & 3 787-8
Air Canada - 3 777-300ER
Air China - 5 747-8i
Air Lease Corp. - 75 737-MAX
Air New Zealand - 2 787-9
ALAFCO - 20 737-MAX
Alaska Airlines - 16 737-900ER & 37 737-MAX
All Nippon Airways - 11 787-9
American Airlines - 3 777-300ER
Avianca - 3 787-8
* Aviation Capital Group - 60 737-MAX
Avolon - 10 737-800 & 15 737-MAX
Boeing Business Jets - 1 737-700BBJ
* Boeing Business Jets - 1 787-8
* China Airlines - 6 777-300ER

China Eastern - 45 737-800
El Al Israel Airlines - 2 737-900ER
Ethiopian Airlines - 1 777-200LR
FedEx - 15 767-300F
* FedEx - 4 767-300F
GE Capital - 10 737-800 & 75 737-MAX
* GE Capital - 4 737-800
GOL - 60 737-MAX
Japan Airlines - 10 787-9
Jet Airways - 17 737-800
Korean Air Lines - 2 777-300ER
Lion Air - 29 737-900ER, 201 737-MAX & 5 787-8
Norwegian Air Shuttle - 22 737-800, 100 737-MAX
Pakistan Int'l Airlines - 5 777-300ER
* Republic of Iraq - 1 777-200LR
* SilkAir - 23 737-800 & 31 737-MAX
TAAG Angola Airlines - 3 777-300ER
Transaero Airlines - 4 787-8
* Turkish Airlines - 15 777-300ER
Turkmenistan Airlines - 1 737-800
United Airlines - 50 737-900ER & 100 737-MAX
Virgin Australia - 1 737-800 & 23 737-MAX
U.S. Navy - 11 737-800A
* U.S. Navy - 2 737-700C
Unidentified - 5 737-800, 22 737-MAX, 3 777-300ER
* Unidentified (11/07/12) - 1 787-8 & 4 787-9
* Unidentified (11/13/12) - 2 737-800
* Unidentified (11/27/12) - 2 747-8F
* Unidentified (12/17/12) - 15 737-800 & 30 777-300ER
* Unidentified (12/21/12) - 35 737-MAX
* Unidentified (12/27/12) - 5 737-800



Cancellations
* Air Astana - 1 767-300ER
* Air Austral - 1 777-200LR

Air Europa - 3 737-800
* Air Europa - 3 737-800
* Aviation Capital Group - 20 737-700

AWAS - 2 737-800
* AWAS - 1 787-8
Boeing Business Jets - 1 787-8
* Blue Air - 2 737-800 & 3 737-900ER
China Eastern - 15 787-8
* Dubai Aerospace - 5 747-8F
GOL - 12 737-800
Jet Airways - 2 777-300ER
* Lufthansa - 1 747-8i
Qantas - 35 787-9
Royal Brunei Airlines (UFO) - 4 777-300ER
Shanghai Airlines - 9 787-8
* United Airlines - 15 737-900ER
* Unidentified - 1 787-8 (from Dec. 2008)



Conversions
AeroMexico - 6 737-700 to 6 737-800
* AeroMexico - 4 737-700 to 4 737-800
Air Berlin - 7 737-700 to 7 737-800
Alaska Airlines - 3 737-800 to 3 737-900ER
All Nippon Airways - 4 787-8 to 4 787-9
American Airlines - 1 777-200ER to 1 777-300ER
Aviation Capital - 8 737-700 to 8 737-800
CIT Leasing - 1 737-900ER to 1 737-800
Continental Airlines - 38 737-700 & 9 737-900ER to United Airlines - 47 737-900ER
ILFC - 1 737-700 to 1 737-800
Lion Air - 8 737-900ER to 8 737-800
* Lion Air - 7 737-900ER to 7 737-800
SpiceJet - 1 737-900ER to 1 737-800
Vietnam Aircraft Leasing - 8 787-8 to Air Lease Corp. 8 787-9
WestJet - 4 737-700 to 4 737-800
* WestJet - 1 737-700 to 1 737-800
Unidentified - 3 737-700 to 3 737-800 (order placed 22 June, 2011)


Identified
Air Canada - 2 777-300ER (from Aug. 2011)
Air France/KLM Group - 25 787-9 (from Dec. 2011)
American Airlines - 2 777-300ER (from Aug. 2011)
China Eastern - 3 737-700 & 4 737-800 (from Feb. 2008)
Hainan Airlines - 4 737-700 & 8 737-800 (from Nov. 2007)
Japan Airlines - 1 737-800 (from Aug. 2010)
LAN Airlines - 2 767-300ER (from Dec. 2011)
Shandong Airlines - 6 737-800 (from Aug. 2007)
Shanghai Airlines - 2 737-800 (from Dec. 2006)
Shanghai Airlines - 2 737-800 (from April 2007)
Shanghai Airlines - 2 737-700 & 3 737-800 (from Dec. 2007)
Shenzhen Airlines - 10 737-800 (from Sept. 2007)
Virgin Atlantic - 1 787-9 (from Dec. 2009)


Boeing 2012 totals:
Gross Orders: 1,339
Net Orders: 1,203


Regards,

Hamlet69

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Someone83
Posted 2013-01-05 13:13:54 and read 11379 times.

Thank you Hamlet69, looking forward to the Airbus' update in a few weeks

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Aircellist
Posted 2013-01-05 17:55:06 and read 11218 times.

Quoting Chiad (Reply 90):

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 89):
914 737 MAX... That's two shy of half the 727 production run... In one year.

Remarkable .. but still much less than "just shy" of the NEO's sales performance in 2011 with 1226 unites (not incl. AA's 130 frames) the fastest selling comercial airliner in history!!

Even though the MAX is not selling quite as fast as the NEO... Will you argue that both numbers are not just astounding?

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Chiad
Posted 2013-01-06 02:54:45 and read 11070 times.

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 94):
Even though the MAX is not selling quite as fast as the NEO... Will you argue that both numbers are not just astounding?

Did I give you the impression of otherwise?
The second fastest selling airliner in history speaks for itself, especially since there's still 4 years until EIS.

 Wow!

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Someone83
Posted 2013-01-10 04:39:48 and read 10517 times.

Avolon has firmed up an additional 20 A320neo, which will be booked as a 2012 order

http://www.airbus.com/no_cache/press...ment-by-signing-firm-order-for-20/


I guess the order for 10 aircrafts to MEA is likely to be defined as a 2012 order as well

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: india1
Posted 2013-01-10 05:23:56 and read 10375 times.

@ Someone83 -

I'm not so sure, because this release mentions the MEA order was signed on 9th Jan in the first para (unless the reporter has mixed the date of announcement with the date of firming)

http://blog.al.com/live/2013/01/airbus_firms_up_10-plane_1_bil.html.

Well, we'll all know in a week's time!

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Someone83
Posted 2013-01-10 05:50:01 and read 10318 times.

Quoting india1 (Reply 97):
I'm not so sure, because this release mentions the MEA order was signed on 9th Jan in the first para (unless the reporter has mixed the date of announcement with the date of firming)

I know, but Airbus har been "creative" before  

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-01-10 08:07:01 and read 10119 times.

If it takes you 17 days to figure how many airplanes you sold--well enough said.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: mffoda
Posted 2013-01-10 08:19:02 and read 10046 times.

I tried to start a 2013 thread, but had trouble posting it... Maybe someone else could give it a go?


Boeing showing 2 2013 UFO 737's in its weekly update.

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: moo
Posted 2013-01-10 08:25:17 and read 10053 times.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 99):

If it takes you 17 days to figure how many airplanes you sold--well enough said.


Same old, same old - Airbus can release their sales figures when they like, they don't owe you the figures on January 1st. They could wait until March if they so wished.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-01-10 08:56:14 and read 10178 times.

Quoting mffoda (Reply 100):
I tried to start a 2013 thread, but had trouble posting it... Maybe someone else could give it a go?

As requested - Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 (by Stitch Jan 10 2013 in Civil Aviation)

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: scbriml
Posted 2013-01-10 22:28:10 and read 9822 times.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 99):
If it takes you 17 days to figure how many airplanes you sold--well enough said.

Not this tired old crap.   

I really thought we'd all moved on from those childish days, but it seems not.   

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-11 01:14:31 and read 9628 times.

From twitter: Singapore Airlines firms five A380s and 20 A350-900s.

http://twitter.com/Airbus/status/289670837357907969

[Edited 2013-01-11 01:59:08]

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Pihero
Posted 2013-01-11 02:19:20 and read 9535 times.

Irish lessor Avolon confirms / signs for 20 NEOs.
Article on ATW : ATW-04_20130110_ATW-04_387&NL=ATW-04&sfvc4enews=42&YM_RID=rolandrak%40orange.fr&YM_MID=1365499" target="_blank">Avolon NEO order

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-11 02:22:16 and read 9525 times.

@Pihero Press release here:
http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...ment-by-signing-firm-order-for-20/

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: india1
Posted 2013-01-11 02:31:25 and read 9495 times.

If you read the Press Release, the 350 total is given as 582 frames incl SQ's 20. If you look back at their Nov spreadsheet, the total was 562 and the CIT 10 frame order was announced before SQ's. The current orders should therefore stand at 592.

So is it that Airbus aren't counting those ten in today's total, or was there a cancellation of 10 sometime in Nov?

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-11 02:35:24 and read 9482 times.

It's possible, or they 'forgot' to add up the 10 CIT frames. We will find out on January 17th.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: moo
Posted 2013-01-11 02:52:47 and read 9462 times.

Quoting india1 (Reply 107):
So is it that Airbus aren't counting those ten in today's total, or was there a cancellation of 10 sometime in Nov?

More likely the CIT and SIA press releases were written at the same time, independent of the other.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Leo467
Posted 2013-01-11 03:09:34 and read 9459 times.

These recent Airbus press releases seem to hint at what I would call "John Leahy mathematics"

585 (net order book November)
75 Pegasus (announced Dec)
10 CIT (might be Dec)
10 MEA (might be Dec)
25 SIA (Dec)
20 Avalon (Dec)
+
260 AA (why not now - there was some talk about improved terms and it was "firmed" back in 2011)
220 Lion (a rumour which after all might have something)
=
1205 vs. Boeing at 1203.... (I agree, announcing his Jan 17th is a bit childish, but hey...)

Yes, I admit the latter two are pure speculation, but who else thinks it is still possible Airbus will win the 2012 orders race?
 

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: flood
Posted 2013-01-11 03:19:11 and read 9404 times.

Quoting india1 (Reply 107):
So is it that Airbus aren't counting those ten in today's total, or was there a cancellation of 10 sometime in Nov?

Apparently CIT's order will not feature until 2013, according to DavidKM of flightglobal - citing "little bird"  

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: moo
Posted 2013-01-11 04:06:04 and read 9311 times.

Quoting flood (Reply 111):
Apparently CIT's order will not feature until 2013, according to DavidKM of flightglobal - citing "little bird"

Should still appear in the grand total of A350 orders tho...

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Chiad
Posted 2013-01-11 06:21:02 and read 9108 times.

Quoting Leo467 (Reply 110):
Yes, I admit the latter two are pure speculation, but who else thinks it is still possible Airbus will win the 2012 orders race?

LOL ...
We'll see, but I doubt it.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: flood
Posted 2013-01-11 06:31:20 and read 9081 times.

Quoting moo (Reply 112):
Should still appear in the grand total of A350 orders tho...

Oh, I see. Looks to me like SQ's release was prepared towards the end of last year and they forgot to update it.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: SEPilot
Posted 2013-01-11 07:27:21 and read 9008 times.

Quoting Leo467 (Reply 110):
260 AA (why not now - there was some talk about improved terms and it was "firmed" back in 2011)

Weren't these counted in the 2011 total? If so, then they cannot be counted this year unless AA is suddenly going to be taking 520 of them.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-01-11 07:30:59 and read 9029 times.

Quoting Leo467 (Reply 110):
260 AA (why not now - there was some talk about improved terms and it was "firmed" back in 2011)
Quoting SEPilot (Reply 115):
Weren't these counted in the 2011 total?

I believe that AA has to date firmed the 100 737NG and 100 A320 orders. They have yet to firm the 100 737 MAX and 130 A320neo orders.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Jack
Posted 2013-01-11 08:29:50 and read 8957 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 116):
I believe that AA has to date firmed the 100 737NG and 100 A320 orders. They have yet to firm the 100 737 MAX and 130 A320neo orders.

The Airbus orders are not in the November spreadsheet, however people have quoted 2013 C/N for A319 and A321, so perhaps firmed in December or leased? The neo was firmed in 2011 (130 A321neo) but taken out at the end of the year. I believe the 100 737NG order is firm from 2011.

As for other 2012 orders, what about the unfirmed order for 60 A320 series from China Eastern?

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: sirtoby
Posted 2013-01-11 08:32:42 and read 8961 times.

Quoting Jack (Reply 117):
he Airbus orders are not in the November spreadsheet, however people have quoted 2013 C/N for A319 and A321, so perhaps firmed in December or leased?

The A319 and A321 will come through lessors, so we probably won't see any new order for these - maybe these lessors will top off their orders individually...

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Someone83
Posted 2013-01-14 02:13:44 and read 8549 times.

Seems like we can add another 25 A320neo for Citilink on Airbus 2012 orders, as this new order will be booked in Dec 2012

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...itilink-orders-25-a320neos-380982/

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Someone83
Posted 2013-01-15 00:45:00 and read 7994 times.

Another December 2012 order from Airbus: 25 A32x and 25 A32xNEO from BOC

http://www.airbus.com/no_cache/press...-family-aircraft-including-25-neo/

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Leo467
Posted 2013-01-15 02:15:47 and read 7855 times.

So, the new count including Airbus's "5th quarter" is

585 (net order book November)
75 Pegasus (announced Dec)
25 SIA (Dec)
20 Avalon (Dec)
25 Citilink (Dec)
50 BOC (Dec)
780 (announced net orders for 2012)
+ 10 CIT; 10 Mea possible in 2012

The big question is, whether Airbus can claim the 260 AA as a 2012 order: it says in the press it was firmed "last week" http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...lines-planes-idUSBRE90E01220130115 - the 260 planes do not show up in the November Airbus O&D spreadsheet (not even partially).
Interesting times...

 

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-15 02:22:01 and read 7832 times.

@Leo467 and maybe another 200 A320 aircraft for Lion Air.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Chiad
Posted 2013-01-15 02:32:39 and read 7773 times.

Quoting Leo467 (Reply 121):
So, the new count including Airbus's "5th quarter" is

Just remember that even though the media, or A-net, knows nothing about these deals, doesn't mean that they don't happen. Billion $ deals can take months, and sometimes years, in negotiations.
"Only" the air framers know about the sales campaigns that go on and most of then don't leak out before the airframes want them to. Though likely to happen Boeing has not yet announced that they won 2012 order race.
Only the media has.

Quoting Leo467 (Reply 121):
The big question is, whether Airbus can claim the 260 AA as a 2012 order

130 of these was for CEO version. I believe these has already been firmed, no?

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: moo
Posted 2013-01-15 02:48:42 and read 7723 times.

Quoting Chiad (Reply 123):
130 of these was for CEO version. I believe these has already been firmed, no?

They were firmed but then they were removed from the order books due to the uncertainty surrounding AA's financial and legal situation after they entered bankruptcy.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Chiad
Posted 2013-01-15 04:46:24 and read 7540 times.

Quoting moo (Reply 124):
They were firmed but then they were removed from the order books due to the uncertainty surrounding AA's financial and legal situation after they entered bankruptcy.

Ahhh .. so we might see a 260 strong form order from AA?
 

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: scbriml
Posted 2013-01-15 04:59:50 and read 7522 times.

Quoting Leo467 (Reply 121):
780 (announced net orders for 2012)

Press speculation is that Airbus will post "around 900" net orders for 2012. Your count is 120 short of that figure, but there are rumours that a large easyJet order will be announced shortly.   

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...irbus-orders-idUSLNE90201Z20130103

Quoting Chiad (Reply 123):
130 of these was for CEO version. I believe these has already been firmed, no?

I was of the view it was the neo order that had been firmed, but subsequently removed when AA went into Chapter 11. The ceo order was expected to be filled mainly (if not exclusively) by leasing companies. As such, I didn't expect to see an "AA order" for ceos. However, a lot has changed since the original announcements of these orders, so we'll just have to wait and see.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: india1
Posted 2013-01-15 05:09:02 and read 7606 times.

Quoting scbriml (Reply 126):
Press speculation is that Airbus will post "around 900" net orders for 2012. Your count is 120 short of that figure, but there are rumours that a large easyJet order will be announced shortly.

861 as per this: http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...-gap-as-2012-orders-top-27-billion

If you notice, A has been announcing an order a day for the past week or so, all for 2012. There's still tomorrow to come before the 17th. I'm sure they'll have saved something for last, rather than give it all away the day before - 200 for Lion? The rumoured 380 order (French minister in Turkey tomorrow!)?

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Hamlet69
Posted 2013-01-15 06:58:25 and read 7447 times.

Quoting Leo467 (Reply 121):
The big question is, whether Airbus can claim the 260 AA as a 2012 order: it says in the press it was firmed "last week

No. According to the SEC filing, the agreement was reached 11/1/13, and still needs to be approved by the court, with a hearing scheduled for 23/1/13.

Quoting Chiad (Reply 125):
Ahhh .. so we might see a 260 strong form order from AA?

Unlikely. See below:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 126):
I was of the view it was the neo order that had been firmed

Your view is correct. Or conversely, we were BOTH wrong.  
Quoting scbriml (Reply 126):
The ceo order was expected to be

Also, tentatively, correct. So we should see a 130-frame NEO order. With one caveat:

The actual SEC filing is a little confusing. First, they give a lot of detail on the 787 order. However, they give very little on the MAX order, and even less than that for the Airbus order. I've searched for another filing covering the A32X's, but so far, have turned up missing. Second, the MAX order itself is very confusing. It states they reached a 'Binding Agreement' with Boeing for both firm and options. They specifically state 60 options. However, the subsequent paragraph states that as of January 31, they will have orders for 42 787's (new), 18 777's (+2 from today), and 111 737's (same). I thought at first that they were converting the entire 100 NG order into MAX's. However, it goes on to state that they will also have options for 58 787's, 13 777's and 40 737's. So that leads me to believe that the MAX portion is not, yet, a firm order.  . I can only guess at the NEO's.

Regards,

Hamlet69

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Leo467
Posted 2013-01-15 07:11:26 and read 7409 times.

@scbriml: The difference between my number above 780 and the ("900") 861 reported in the media is easy to explain:

10 CIT, 10 Mea both reported Jan by Airbus (but without order year, which is stated for all other A press releases in Jan)
61 cancellations (gross/net) reported as of October by Airbus

So the press speculation is not really a speculation but a summary of Airbus' press releases...  

The real question/speculations remains: will JL "do it again" and top Boeing in 2012...

[Edited 2013-01-15 07:13:34]

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: moo
Posted 2013-01-15 07:15:29 and read 7398 times.

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 128):
No. According to the SEC filing, the agreement was reached 11/1/13, and still needs to be approved by the court, with a hearing scheduled for 23/1/13.

And that caused me to go and hunt out hte SEC filing - makes for interesting reading and answers a lot of questions  
Quote:

Settlement of Bankruptcy Claims. As part of the Restructuring Agreement, American and its affiliates and Boeing and its affiliates have agreed to resolve and release all claims between them in connection with the foregoing assumed agreements that arise out of facts and circumstances occurring on or prior to the filing of the Pending Cases, with limited exceptions, such as third party indemnification claims, warranty claims and claims related to any aircraft lease or financing agreements. Subject to payment by American of certain cure amounts in connection with the assumption of the assumed agreements, Boeing and its affiliates will release and withdraw all claims filed against American and its affiliates in the Pending Cases with the exception of certain allowed unsecured claims specified in the Restructuring Agreements and any claims in connection with any aircraft lease or financing agreements.
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=117098&p=irol-sec

Looks like the issue was more than just hinged on financing   Good to see them sort it out!

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: jdevora
Posted 2013-01-15 08:24:45 and read 7240 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 116):
I believe that AA has to date firmed the 100 737NG and 100 A320 orders. They have yet to firm the 100 737 MAX and 130 A320neo orders.

Hi, the Airbus orders where taken out from the order tally in Nov 2011, when AA firmed the bankruptcy, as you can see in page 4 of the 2011 orders presentation http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...?eID=dam_frontend_push&docID=20291

Cheers
JD

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: astuteman
Posted 2013-01-15 11:37:03 and read 6996 times.

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 115):
Weren't these counted in the 2011 total? If so, then they cannot be counted this year unless AA is suddenly going to be taking 520 of them.

No they weren't.
As Jdevora points out above, they were withheld pending the AA Ch 11 proceedings.

Rgds

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Heavierthanair
Posted 2013-01-16 23:42:03 and read 6490 times.

G'day

Just announced on BBC per latest info the total Airbus orders for 2012 are around 900. Not bad, but the A-net mystery order appears missing  Wow!     


Cheers

Peter  Wow!     

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: PanAm_DC10
Posted 2013-01-17 02:11:08 and read 6426 times.

Airbus have announced 914 Gross orders, 833 net and 588 deliveries. Includes 60 A320ceo from undisclosed Asian customer.

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Chiad
Posted 2013-01-17 02:27:32 and read 6305 times.

Net orders!

305 A320CEO
478 A320NEO
82 A330
40 A350XWB
9 A380

Net orders for December: 248
There was 20 cancellations in December and 81 total for 2012.

[Edited 2013-01-17 02:37:49]

[Edited 2013-01-17 02:42:18]

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Jack
Posted 2013-01-17 02:45:45 and read 6158 times.

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 134):
Includes 60 A320ceo from undisclosed Asian customer.

China Eastern?

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Leo467
Posted 2013-01-17 03:07:30 and read 6082 times.

Quoting Chiad (Reply 135):
Net orders!

305 A320CEO
478 A320NEO
82 A330
40 A350XWB
9 A380

These are GROSS numbers.
NET are 739 A320, 58 A330 and 27 A350XWB, 9 A380, still quite something

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Chiad
Posted 2013-01-17 03:15:47 and read 6018 times.

Net orders of December:

Quoting Leo467 (Reply 137):

These are GROSS numbers.
NET are 739 A320, 58 A330 and 27 A350XWB, 9 A380, still quite something

Sorry .. ofcourse!
I really meant gross.
Honest.

Please read what I mean, not what I write ... to avoid the confusion.
 
 

Topic: RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2
Username: Hamlet69
Posted 2013-01-22 16:42:15 and read 5198 times.

And finally, year-end totals for Airbus (includes November and December):


Airbus

Firm Orders
Afriqiyah Airways - 3 A330-200 & 4 A350-900
* AirAsia - 36 A320 & 64 A320neo
Airbus Corporate Jets - 2 A318CJ, 2 A319CJ & 1 A330-200
Aircraft Purchase Fleet - 2 A320
Air Namibia - 2 A319
Air Lease Corp. - 36 A320Neo, 1 A330-200 & 2 A330-300
* AJW Capital - 2 A340-500
Arkia Israeli Airlines - 4 A321Neo (the MOU was for 4 Neo's, however, up to 3 could be Oeo's based on other statements)
AviancaTaca - 18 A32X, 33 A32X Neo. (Airbus shows 27 A319's, 20 A320's & 4 A321's. However, the individual breakdown between Oeo and Neo is not known at this time)
* Avolon - 20 A320neo
BOC Aviation - 3 A320
* BOC Aviation - 25 A320/321 & 25 A320/321neo (breakdown between models currently unknown)
* CASGC - 28 A320 & 8 A321
Cathay Pacific - 6 A350-900 & 10 A350-1000
CIT Leasing - 10 A330-300
* CitiLink - 25 A320neo
Druk Air - 1 A319
Etihad Airways - 2 A330-200 & 2 A330-200F
Garuda Indonesia - 11 A330-300
Gulf Air - 10 A320Neo
ICBC Leasing - 30 A320 & 20 A320Neo
* Interjet - 40 A320neo
* Iraqi Ministry of Transport - 1 A330-200
* Middle East Airlines - 5 A320neo & 5 A321neo

Norwegian Air Shuttle - 100 A320Neo
* Pegasus Airlines - 57 A320neo & 18 A321neo
Philippine Airlines - 34 A321, 10 A321Neo & 20 A330-300
* Singapore Airlines - 20 A350-900 & 5 A380-800
Spirit Airlines - 30 A320
Synergy Aerospace - 6 A330-200 & 3 A330-200F
Tibet Airlines - 3 A319
* Tibet Airlines - 1 A319
TransAero Airlines - 4 A380-800
* TransAsia Airways - 6 A321neo
Turkish Airlines - A330-300
UTair - 20 A321
* Undisclosed - 12 A319, 16 A320, 32 A321 & 3 A330-300


Cancellations
AerCap - 1 A330-200
* AerCap - 1 A330-200
Afriqiyah Airways - 3 A321
AirAsia X - 1 A330-200
* AirAsia X - 1 A330-200
Airbus Corporate Jets - 1 A318CJ
Aircraft Purchase Fleet - 14 A320
ALAFCO - 6 A350-900
CIT Leasing - 1 A319 & 3 A320
Etihad Airways - 2 A320 & 7 A350-1000
Gulf Air - 10 A330-300
Intrepid Aviation - 2 A330-200F
* Kingfisher Airlines - 2 A340-500
MatlinPatterson - 6 A330-200F
* Virgin America - 20 A320


Conversions
Afriqiyah Airways - 6 A350-800 to 6 A350-900
AirAsiaX - 1 A330-200 to 1 A330-300
Aircraft Purchase Fleet - 1 A330-200 to Air Lease Corp. - 1 A330-200
Aircraft Purchase Fleet - 1 A330-200 to GE Capital - 1 A330-200
Air Lease Corp. - 1 A320 to 1 A321
ALAFCO - 1 A320 to Air Berlin 1 A320
Aviation Capital - 2 A320 to 2 A321
BOC Aviation - 4 A320 to 4 A321
CASGC - 2 A320 to Spring Airlines - 2 A320
CASGC - 2 A320 to Juneyao Airlines - 2 A321
* CASGC - 1 A320 to 1 A319
Cathay Pacific - 16 A350-900 to 16 A350-1000
CIT Leasing - 1 A330-200 to 1 A330-300
Etihad Airways - 6 A320 to 6 A321
GECAS - 8 A320 to 8 A321
* GECAS - 2 A320 to 2 A321
Germania - 2 A319 to 2 A321
ICBC - 3 A320 to 3 A321
IndiGo - 18 A320 to 18 A321 (it is unknown if these are CEO or NEO)
Intrepid Aviation - 5 A330-200F to 2 A330-200 & 3 A330-300
Juneyao Airlines - 1 A320 to 1 A321
Korean Air Lines - 6 A330-200 to 6 A330-300
* LAN - 3 A319 to 3 A320
* Qatar Airways - 20 A350-800 to 3 A350-900 & 17 A350-1000
Singapore Airlines - 5 A330-300 to AerCap Ireland - 5 A330-300
Spirit Airlines - 13 A319 to 13 A320
TACA Int'l - 7 A320 to 2 A319 & 5 A321
* TACA Int'l - 1 A319 to 1 A320
* TAM - 4 A319 to 3 A320 & 1 A321

US Airways - 1 A319 & 10 A320 to 11 A321


Identified
Air Berlin - 5 A320 & 14 A321
ALAFCO - 35 A320Neo
Gulf Air - 1 A320 & 4 A321
* Gulf Air - 3 A319, 10 A320, 2 A321 & -4 A330-300
WizzAir - -20 A320 (cancellation booked December 2011)


2012 Totals:
Gross: 914
Net: 833


Regards,

Hamlet69


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