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Topic: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: doulasc
Posted 2013-01-19 10:34:42 and read 20747 times.

I would say MD-80s,767-223ER,some older 757s. How much longer for the MD-80s and 767-223ERs before they leave the fleet.

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: apodino
Posted 2013-01-19 11:28:19 and read 20519 times.

I think that's about right. Here is the question...is there an American Eagle/Connection paint scheme that is associated with this new mainline look? I would venture to say that some of the Exisiting ERJ's in the Eagle fleet will not be repainted either.

One other thing...would they keep a plane or two with an AA tail as a legacy aircraft, the way US has it and that AA already has with one 737?

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: FSDan
Posted 2013-01-19 11:33:56 and read 20484 times.

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):
I would say MD-80s

I would think they would paint at least some of the MD-80s... Are they ALL going to be gone within the next 2-3 years?

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: SESGDL
Posted 2013-01-19 11:38:12 and read 20421 times.

Quoting FSDan (Reply 2):
I would think they would paint at least some of the MD-80s... Are they ALL going to be gone within the next 2-3 years?

It will take AA at least another 5-6 years to retire the MD-80 fleet; AA still has over 200 active MD-80s. I foresee every currently flying aircraft except for the 767-200ER receiving the new livery.

Jeremy

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: na
Posted 2013-01-19 11:41:35 and read 20401 times.

Id say all planes that are scheduled for retirement in the next 3 or 4 years, so many MD80s, a few dozen 757s, all 762s and some 763s. All in all about 100 planes of the current fleet.

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: AA94
Posted 2013-01-19 11:43:23 and read 20383 times.

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 3):
It will take AA at least another 5-6 years to retire the MD-80 fleet; AA still has over 200 active MD-80s. I foresee every currently flying aircraft except for the 767-200ER receiving the new livery.

Not to be nitpicky, but AA has 192 MD-80s left in the fleet. They recently passed the "tipping point," whereas they finally have more 738s than MD-80s.

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: mhkansan
Posted 2013-01-19 12:03:52 and read 20229 times.

I'm positive the 757s and MD-80s will get repainted, except the ones leaving the fleet in the next year. AA is taking A321s to replace the 762s, but even those won't arrive until next year or longer. Maybe one or two of the new ones would even get repainted.

I don't think AA is messing around with the rebranding.

I'll be interested to see how quickly the Eagle fleet gets repainted. Those jets are going to look great in the new scheme. I think the shceme will look best on tail-engined airplanes.

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: BlueLine
Posted 2013-01-19 12:17:14 and read 20094 times.

Quoting FSDan (Reply 2):

Yes, there is a new livery for Eagle, and the American Connection brand is going away. The Eagle paint is the same as mainline, except it says American Eagle on the lower half of the fuselage, with the top of the lettering bordering on the bottom on the window line.

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: lollomz
Posted 2013-01-19 13:18:12 and read 19766 times.

Any picture/s of the American Eagle new livery?

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: BlueLine
Posted 2013-01-19 13:23:35 and read 19758 times.

Quoting lollomz (Reply 8):
Any picture/s of the American Eagle new livery?
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/USA...a5e3c69f5da0197e57e2bd3dd3fdfcd35f

So far, this rendering is the only image of what the new Eagle livery will be. I can't wait to see it in person.

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: JBo
Posted 2013-01-19 13:29:37 and read 19709 times.

Quoting BlueLine (Reply 9):
So far, this rendering is the only image of what the new Eagle livery will be. I can't wait to see it in person.

I wish they would have done something to stylize the "Eagle" instead of keeping it in the same typeface. It's bland compared to the old livery with the script "Eagle" that made it stand out more from the mainline brand.

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: doulasc
Posted 2013-01-19 14:45:10 and read 19245 times.

So no 777-323s,787s,Airbus fleet will have the classic red white and blue scheme,its retireing after 44 years.

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: american 767
Posted 2013-01-19 14:48:00 and read 19212 times.

Quoting AA94 (Reply 5):
Not to be nitpicky, but AA has 192 MD-80s left in the fleet.

That's right. The MD-80 fleet will be down to 150 by the end of this year. My logic tells me that if they phase them out at this rate, they'll all be gone in 2018. The 757s will be gone early next decade, by then the youngest one will be 20.

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 6):
I'm positive the 757s and MD-80s will get repainted, except the ones leaving the fleet in the next year.

I'm positive that at least one MD-80 and one 757 will be repainted in the new livery. That we can be sure.

Remember United when they introduced their battle ship gray livery exactly 20 years ago, didn't they repaint some of the 727s, 737-200s, DC-10s and Classic 747s knowing that they would phase all of those out by the early 2000s? I recall that also one 747SP was repainted in the battle ship livery.

Look at TWA. When they introduced their then new corporate scheme in 1996, they repainted one L-1011, one 747-100 and a few of the 727s knowing that they would also phase all of those out by the end of the 1990s.

Look at US Air. When it was re-branded as US Airways in 1997, one Shuttle 727 was repainted in the dark navy blue scheme, also knowing that they would retire all the 727s by the early 2000s.

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 3):
I foresee every currently flying aircraft except for the 767-200ER receiving the new livery.

Everyone seems to insist on the fact that no 762ER will get the new livery, but I think it is not impossible that one of them gets the new livery. I would that at the most only two 762ERs will ever get the new livery. The 762ER fleet will be down to 8 units by the end of this year, they currently have 14 of them left. The first A321 is scheduled to be delivered this summer, if everything goes well, and so is the first A319.

The bottom line is, for each type of aircraft, it depends on when each airplane is due for its D check.

Ben Soriano

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: commavia
Posted 2013-01-19 15:04:34 and read 18754 times.

I agree with others that the 767-200ERs, and many if not most of the MD80s and 757s, are unlikely to ever get repainted, as they will be leaving the fleet in the near future.

Quoting FSDan (Reply 2):
I would think they would paint at least some of the MD-80s... Are they ALL going to be gone within the next 2-3 years?

The MD80s are, sadly (for me, anyway), not going to be around a whole lot longer. They are drawing the fleet down incredibly rapidly (parking about 40 this year alone).

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 3):
It will take AA at least another 5-6 years to retire the MD-80 fleet; AA still has over 200 active MD-80s.

I don't think it will take 5-6 years. They are getting rid of them very quickly, and with 50+ new 737s/A319s/A321s arriving annually for pretty much the next 5 years straight, I don't see the rate of MD80 retirement slowing one bit.

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 6):
I'm positive the 757s and MD-80s will get repainted, except the ones leaving the fleet in the next year.

Some of them - especially the 757s - might get repainted, but I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of both fleets simply stayed in their current livery.

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 6):
AA is taking A321s to replace the 762s, but even those won't arrive until next year or longer.

The first A321s arrive at the end of this year.

Quoting doulasc (Reply 11):
So no 777-323s,787s,Airbus fleet will have the classic red white and blue scheme,its retireing after 44 years.

Correct. It's likely that everything from here forward - all 737s, 787s, 777s, and A319s/A321s - will come delivered in the new paint.

Quoting american 767 (Reply 12):
The MD-80 fleet will be down to 150 by the end of this year. My logic tells me that if they phase them out at this rate, they'll all be gone in 2018.

Assuming the rate of MD80 retirement doesn't slow, my math tells me they'll be gone before 2018. They are parking 40 MD80s this year alone. If that rate continues, they will all be gone by mid-to-late 2016.

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: Acey559
Posted 2013-01-19 15:13:55 and read 18557 times.

I posted this in another thread but there are so many it's difficult to keep track. We were told half of our (Eagle) fleet will be done by next year. I'm assuming what they mean is that our entire fleet will be painted because by next year our fleet will have been pared down quite a bit. So long story short, I'd expect them to start painting soon and have a good chunk done this year.

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: delta88
Posted 2013-01-19 15:30:46 and read 18155 times.

On a side note- AA still has MD-80 leases running into the early 2020s, and with the current financial Woes, I highly doubt they are willing to pay Early Lease Cancellation Fees

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: JBo
Posted 2013-01-19 15:35:47 and read 18045 times.

Quoting delta88 (Reply 15):
On a side note- AA still has MD-80 leases running into the early 2020s, and with the current financial Woes, I highly doubt they are willing to pay Early Lease Cancellation Fees

Unless those leases get renegotiated during Bankruptcy.

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: american 767
Posted 2013-01-19 15:36:25 and read 17988 times.

Quoting commavia (Reply 13):
Correct.

It's like that for every airline, not just American. Whenever a new livery is unveiled by corporate management to the public, any airplane delivered to the airline on or after the day of unveiling is painted in the new livery.

Quoting commavia (Reply 13):
If that rate continues, they will all be gone by mid-to-late 2016.

I'd say 2017, at that rate. By then the 738 retirement will probably begin. When I said 2018, I meant to say that by early 2018, American should be MD-80 free. Now we both agree with each other. To MD-80 lovers, fly on those now while you can before it's too late. Unless you fly domestic to or from DFW, you don't have that many chances anymore to fly on a Super 80. In other words, now you won't see many MD-80s anymore unless you go to DFW.

Ben Soriano

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-01-19 15:56:10 and read 17601 times.

Quoting american 767 (Reply 12):
Look at TWA. When they introduced their then new corporate scheme in 1996, they repainted one L-1011, one 747-100 and a few of the 727s knowing that they would also phase all of those out by the end of the 1990s.

JAL also repainted one (only) MD-90 in their new livery last September although I believe their remaining MD-90s are due for retirement by March. It was apparently in for maintenance and required repainting and it didn't make sense to repaint it in the old livery. I assume it will be going to DL.


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http://jal-pak.blogspot.ch/2012/11/jal-md-90-retirement-tour.html

Related video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZm-3FUMWHc

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: N1120A
Posted 2013-01-19 15:56:32 and read 17596 times.

...Hopefully all of them. They need to improve the livery considerably.

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: JoePatroni707
Posted 2013-01-19 17:47:18 and read 16021 times.

From what I understand only 18 of the 757s (the 75L subfleet) will get paint, none of the 762. Have not heard about the S80 fleet. I would guess only some of the 763s will get it, as some will also be leaving the fleet.

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: yyz717
Posted 2013-01-19 18:22:15 and read 15593 times.

AA has 100 752's and 180 M80's in service (total 280). AA has 111 738's on order thru 2017, and 131 A319/A321 on order thru 2017 (total 242 to largely, but not fully, replace the 280 752/M80).

So, unless AA plans to shrink, it will still be operating some M80/752 5 years from now (start of 2018) so it stands to reason some of these aircraft will be re-painted into the new livery.

Same with the 763 fleet....it will be years before they are all replaced by the 788/9. So we are very likely to see the 763 in the new livery.

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: NWADC9
Posted 2013-01-19 21:25:06 and read 13767 times.

Quoting american 767 (Reply 12):
Remember United when they introduced their battle ship gray livery exactly 20 years ago, didn't they repaint some of the 727s, 737-200s, DC-10s and Classic 747s knowing that they would phase all of those out by the early 2000s? I recall that also one 747SP was repainted in the battle ship livery.

Look at TWA. When they introduced their then new corporate scheme in 1996, they repainted one L-1011, one 747-100 and a few of the 727s knowing that they would also phase all of those out by the end of the 1990s.

Look at US Air. When it was re-branded as US Airways in 1997, one Shuttle 727 was repainted in the dark navy blue scheme, also knowing that they would retire all the 727s by the early 2000s.

And for a more modern take, Delta painted the DC-9-50s even though they would be retired five years after the merger. The -30s and -40s, however, were not painted, and were retired after a couple years.

And didn't they already paint an MD-80 in some oddball all-silver scheme forward of the leading edge in the rebranding video?

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: flightsimer
Posted 2013-01-19 21:36:16 and read 13691 times.

AA took delivery of 30 737s in 2012. Assuming that wouldn't change, it would only take them another 6 year to replace them all with Boeing.

However, starting this year, they will be getting A32x's and the 737NG's from the same order. So really, we can expect between 30-60 new aircraft this year and then ~60 from 2014 out. So it could be possible that AA could have the MD80s retired as soon as Q1 2017.

This is assuming that the OEO's are 319s and NG's being -800s.

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-01-20 07:44:11 and read 9344 times.

Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 22):
And didn't they already paint an MD-80 in some oddball all-silver scheme forward of the leading edge in the rebranding video?

From what I could see, that Mad Dog was a test plane to see which shade of silver paint was most "American".

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: jwhite9185
Posted 2013-01-20 08:33:59 and read 9117 times.

VS also painted G-VTOP into the latest scheme even though that one is due to leave any day now.

Quoting american 767 (Reply 17):
To MD-80 lovers, fly on those now while you can before it's too late. Unless you fly domestic to or from DFW, you don't have that many chances anymore to fly on a Super 80. In other words, now you won't see many MD-80s anymore unless you go to DFW.

Got myself booked on one from ORD-MCO in April, as they're pretty non existent in European skies now.

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: kann123air
Posted 2013-01-20 08:41:51 and read 9020 times.

I'm flying a 763 in March DFW-LAX (continuing on to SYD after that). Would at least some of the 767-323ERs have the new livery?

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: gigneil
Posted 2013-01-20 11:12:22 and read 7900 times.

Quoting american 767 (Reply 12):
Remember United when they introduced their battle ship gray livery exactly 20 years ago, didn't they repaint some of the 727s, 737-200s, DC-10s and Classic 747s knowing that they would phase all of those out by the early 2000s? I recall that also one 747SP was repainted in the battle ship livery.

A huge number of DC10s, 727s, and classics got repainted.

I don't believe that United would have precipitously grounded as many of those planes as fast were it not for 9/11.

NS

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: ckfred
Posted 2013-01-20 11:58:33 and read 7735 times.

Quoting american 767 (Reply 17):
I'd say 2017, at that rate. By then the 738 retirement will probably begin. When I said 2018, I meant to say that by early 2018, American should be MD-80 free. Now we both agree with each other. To MD-80 lovers, fly on those now while you can before it's too late. Unless you fly domestic to or from DFW, you don't have that many chances anymore to fly on a Super 80. In other words, now you won't see many MD-80s anymore unless you go to DFW.

ORD still has a fair amount of MD-80s. I'm booked both ways on an MD-80 between ORD and TPA in March. If you look at the schedule, you still see many or all MD-80s out of ORD to LGA, TPA, MCO, DFW, and LAS.

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: gigneil
Posted 2013-01-20 12:04:27 and read 7718 times.

I imagine ORD will see the MD-80 right up to the end, since it can reach just about every corner of the US with little difficulty.

NS

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: flightsimer
Posted 2013-01-20 12:15:22 and read 7677 times.

Quoting american 767 (Reply 17):

2018 for 737-800's? Ummmm no...

They might retire the oldest ones that might be timing/cycling out by that time, but they won't be dropping the fleet. 77 -800s were delivered between '99-'01. So by 2018' they will just be coming up on 20 years old.

From 2002-2008 no deliveries took place, deliveries recommenced in march 09. Between '09-'12, 119 -800's have been delivered with a further ~110 to be delivered through 2017. So they will have 119 -800's that are between 6 and 9 years old and ~110 -800's that are between 1 and 4 years old.

Adding to the fact that maxs will be coming in as well, the 737 will be going nowhere anytime soon.

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: RyDawg82
Posted 2013-01-20 12:44:46 and read 7604 times.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 27):
A huge number of DC10s, 727s, and classics got repainted.

I don't believe that United would have precipitously grounded as many of those planes as fast were it not for 9/11.

This was true of United's 727-222s. However, the last UA DC-10 revenue flight was 2-14-01.
Ryan

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: american 767
Posted 2013-01-20 15:47:45 and read 7300 times.

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 25):
hey're pretty non existent in European skies now.

That's right. In Europe, only SAS still flies them. I'm happy for you that you booked a flight to fly on one, since it maybe the last time you will ever fly on one, especially if you don't live in the United States.

Quoting ckfred (Reply 28):
you still see many or all MD-80s out of ORD to LGA, TPA, MCO, DFW, and LAS.

STL also. But my point was, if you compare the number of daily MD-80 departures between ORD and DFW, you will notice a significant difference. If you exclude DFW, then I will agree that ORD still sees a decent amount of MD-80 flights a day compared to most other airports in the country.

Ben Soriano

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: Antoniemey
Posted 2013-01-20 17:07:12 and read 7175 times.

Quoting BlueLine (Reply 7):
the American Connection brand is going away

So, all contract flying will be branded as American Eagle (Operated by X) going forward? Well, I was right, each of the big three will have a different term for their regional contracts. I like it.

Quoting JBo (Reply 10):
It's bland compared to the old livery with the script "Eagle" that made it stand out more from the mainline brand.

They probably don't want it to stand out so much. All the other airlines have tried to make the contract operation, as much as possible, look like it's just the same as mainline, but on a smaller plane.

Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 22):
And didn't they already paint an MD-80 in some oddball all-silver scheme forward of the leading edge in the rebranding video?

Test swatches.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 24):
From what I could see, that Mad Dog was a test plane to see which shade of silver paint was most "American".

Yep. Anyone catch the registry of that in the video? I'm guessing it's either been retired or will be showing up in the new scheme very, very soon.

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: TrijetsRMissed
Posted 2013-01-20 21:10:59 and read 6890 times.

Quoting american 767 (Reply 17):
In other words, now you won't see many MD-80s anymore unless you go to DFW.
Quoting ckfred (Reply 28):
ORD still has a fair amount of MD-80s

Indeed ORD still sees plenty of MD-80 activity, including many 3+ hr legs. Of course, it is not what it was 5 years ago, when at least 80% of the departures were MD-80s. I recall at one point ORD had a higher percentage of MD-80 departures than DFW, (specific to domestic departures and not be confused with higher total number).

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 25):
Got myself booked on one from ORD-MCO in April, as they're pretty non existent in European skies now.

Good for you, jwhite9185. Take a few pictures; enjoy the experience.

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 30):
They might retire the oldest ones that might be timing/cycling out by that time, but they won't be dropping the fleet. 77 -800s were delivered between '99-'01. So by 2018' they will just be coming up on 20 years old.

IIRC, the 737NG is certified for 75k cycles. For perspective, at 27 years, AA's oldest MD-82 is at 42k cycles. I doubt AA will be retiring any 738s for many years.

Quoting american 767 (Reply 32):
In Europe, only SAS still flies them.

Which are soon to become DL MD-88 scrap/part inventory.

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: TrijetsRMissed
Posted 2013-01-20 21:20:30 and read 6854 times.

Quoting delta88 (Reply 15):
On a side note- AA still has MD-80 leases running into the early 2020s, and with the current financial Woes, I highly doubt they are willing to pay Early Lease Cancellation Fees

They are leased from BCC. I think an early cancellation agreement could be made, provided the terms dictate that these aircraft are replaced by firming up additional 737 options.

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: jwhite9185
Posted 2013-01-21 11:43:57 and read 6378 times.

Quoting american 767 (Reply 32):
That's right. In Europe, only SAS still flies them.

Even those are going pretty fast.

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 34):
Good for you, jwhite9185. Take a few pictures; enjoy the experience.

Oh yes, there will be a trip report!

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: JoePatroni707
Posted 2013-01-21 14:18:24 and read 6135 times.

This is what I heard today, by year end 2014 1/3 of the fleet should be completed. First emphasis will be on the widebody fleet. Not specified of it will be the 763 or the 777-200.

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: planefreakaa
Posted 2013-01-21 20:09:35 and read 5781 times.

American has 2 Ex TWA MD-80s in Blythville Arkansas right now, and there is a aircraft painting facility there.

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: brilondon
Posted 2013-01-21 20:24:49 and read 5726 times.

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 21):
AA has 100 752's and 180 M80's in service (total 280). AA has 111 738's on order thru 2017, and 131 A319/A321 on order thru 2017 (total 242 to largely, but not fully, replace the 280 752/M80).

Is AA looking for a 100 seat jet to replace some of the MD-80's on the thinner routes that don't require such a large aircraft?

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: JBo
Posted 2013-01-21 20:45:34 and read 5629 times.

Quoting Antoniemey (Reply 33):
They probably don't want it to stand out so much. All the other airlines have tried to make the contract operation, as much as possible, look like it's just the same as mainline, but on a smaller plane.

That is the one thing I liked about the Eagle livery; it was distinct from mainline despite having the same basic look (the white paint, Eagle-only logo, and 'bigger' stripes by virture of the cabin windows being proportionally larger to the fuselage). NW was the last to have a distinctly different regional livery (with the red Airlink Saabs), as everyone else homogenized their look with mainline (even DL has gradually reduced the prominence of the operator logo/name on the Connection branding).

It does make sense, though, but at least they are retaining the 'Eagle' name as it's more unique and original than 'Connection' or 'Express'

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: Antoniemey
Posted 2013-01-21 23:46:00 and read 5431 times.

Quoting JBo (Reply 40):
That is the one thing I liked about the Eagle livery; it was distinct from mainline despite having the same basic look

I do miss ExpressJet having their name scrawled across the engine nacelles on the COEx ERJs... that was always something that seemed to say "Yes, we're flying for Continental, but we're proud enough of the job we do to make it clear who we are."

Quoting brilondon (Reply 39):
Is AA looking for a 100 seat jet to replace some of the MD-80's on the thinner routes that don't require such a large aircraft?

A319s?

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: boeing767mech
Posted 2013-01-22 05:32:34 and read 5216 times.

Quoting planefreakaa (Reply 38):
American has 2 Ex TWA MD-80s in Blythville Arkansas right now, and there is a aircraft painting facility there.

Lease return............. Was sent to Roswell in August last year.

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: qqflyboy
Posted 2013-01-22 07:10:05 and read 5087 times.

Quoting apodino (Reply 1):
I would venture to say that some of the Exisiting ERJ's in the Eagle fleet will not be repainted either.

This is probably true, as I doubt any of the ERJ-135 a/c will get the new paint. I believe they are all scheduled to leave the fleet sometime this year, as per AMR's new finance/lease agreement with Embraer. At least I think I remember reading something along those lines in the thread that talked about the agreement.

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 20):
From what I understand only 18 of the 757s (the 75L subfleet) will get paint, none of the 762.

FYI, there are now 20 75Ls. Two more were converted last year. As for the 762s, I agree none are likely to get new paint. They're scheduled to leave the fleet by the end of 1Q2015. That's barely two years from now, though I suppose it's possible we'll see one or two token a/c in the new scheme. I'm just not sure it'll be worth the cost. I highly doubt, with that retirement schedule, any are due for serious maintenance between now and then, leaving little opportunity to paint one. And of course, the last a/c will be leaving in 1Q2015. The majority will leave next year.

Quoting Antoniemey (Reply 41):
Is AA looking for a 100 seat jet to replace some of the MD-80's on the thinner routes that don't require such a large aircraft?

A319s?

You got it. There is much debate that there is room for yet a smaller a/c in AA's mainline fleet, like the E190/195. However, I wouldn't hold my breath for anything on that front. The A319 fills a huge capacity gap between Eagle's CR7 (63-65 seats) and the MD-80 (136-140 seats). The A319 will have ~115 seats between First, coach and MCE, fitting nicely in between. Also, AA's new agreement with APA allows for greater numbers of 70+ seat RJs at Eagle, which will continue to fill the gap.

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: ghost77
Posted 2013-01-22 23:26:01 and read 4607 times.

It's the US, they have to waste paint, of course the MD80s some will get the new scheme.

Those due for retirement in 2030. Remember NW Dc9s... here comes AA MD80s!

g77

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: JBo
Posted 2013-01-23 07:34:34 and read 4415 times.

Quoting Antoniemey (Reply 41):
I do miss ExpressJet having their name scrawled across the engine nacelles on the COEx ERJs... that was always something that seemed to say "Yes, we're flying for Continental, but we're proud enough of the job we do to make it clear who we are."

Or the original Delta Connection livery where Comair, SkyWest, ASA, and BEX each had their own logo on the tail in lieu of the widget. The Ron Allen livery did the same thing, replace the 'Delta' script on the tail with the OH/OO/EV logos (unfortunately when Trans States and ACA came into the fray, they just had plain blue tails). It was the 'wavy gravy' livery that began diminishing the operator branding (OH/OO/EV still had prominent logos on the nose, but the newer partners were not as prominent). The current DL livery has either a very small operator logo or just plain type.

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: msp747
Posted 2013-01-23 08:40:06 and read 4314 times.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 43):
There is much debate that there is room for yet a smaller a/c in AA's mainline fleet, like the E190/195. However, I wouldn't hold my breath for anything on that front. The A319 fills a huge capacity gap between Eagle's CR7 (63-65 seats) and the MD-80 (136-140 seats). The A319 will have ~115 seats between First, coach and MCE, fitting nicely in between

Don't they only have 11 319's on order? That doesn't seem to fill much capacity between Eagle and the MD80's. Even if they get 76 seat regional jets, like UA and DL, that is still a huge window between the MD80's and Eagle. I think if DL is successful with their 717's and UA orders the C-Series, AA will reconsider

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: Spacepope
Posted 2013-01-23 08:58:20 and read 4284 times.

Quoting planefreakaa (Reply 38):

American has 2 Ex TWA MD-80s in Blythville Arkansas right now, and there is a aircraft painting facility there.

Delta was going to use Blythville to break up MD-80s from SAS too, and one of the ex-Saudia ferried there in the past week (probably also for scrapping). Are we sure the AA MDs are getting painted?

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: yyz717
Posted 2013-01-23 09:47:34 and read 4219 times.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 43):
The A319 fills a huge capacity gap between Eagle's CR7 (63-65 seats) and the MD-80 (136-140 seats). The A319 will have ~115 seats between First, coach and MCE, fitting nicely in between. Also, AA's new agreement with APA allows for greater numbers of 70+ seat RJs at Eagle, which will continue to fill the gap.

Agreed. With the Ch11, I could also see AA Eagle adding the CR9.

Quoting msp747 (Reply 46):
Don't they only have 11 319's on order?

The order is now 15 A319's and 116 A321's (total 131). As MSN's are progressively assigned, AA is firming each MSN up as an A319 or A321. Airbus has confirmed 15 MSN's for A319 and 6 MSN's for the A321. The remaning MSN's are unassigned but "parked" as A321 orders. No doubt we'll see (many) more A319's confirmed for AA as time goes on. Initial A319 delivery is in July. Initial A321 delivery November.

AA retired another 762 on Jan 17. Now 10 active. Another will be retired on Feb 2nd.

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: 9w748capt
Posted 2013-01-23 11:57:00 and read 4074 times.

Quoting kann123air (Reply 26):

I'm flying a 763 in March DFW-LAX (continuing on to SYD after that). Would at least some of the 767-323ERs have the new livery?

Awaiting the TR!

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 36):
Oh yes, there will be a trip report!

Excellent. Makes me very very glad to live in OKC which sees exclusively S80 service OKC-DFW. Given the short distance of the flight I'd bet OKC retains S80 flights up to the very end. Also begs the question which mainline jet will take over? OKC hasn't had AA 737 service as long as I can remember, and the S80 flights (particularly the morning banks) usually go out totally full in my experience. I'm gonna miss the AB exit row seats for sure!

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: LONGisland89
Posted 2013-01-23 12:21:54 and read 4010 times.

Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 49):
Also begs the question which mainline jet will take over? OKC hasn't had AA 737 service as long as I can remember

Maybe the 763!   I kid, I kid. I did see an AA 763 do a touch and go on 17L yesterday. Made my day!

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: american 767
Posted 2013-01-23 19:19:38 and read 3752 times.

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 47):
Are we sure the AA MDs are getting painted?

Not all of them, of course, but at least ONE of them will. I'm sure that out of 200 MD-80s left at least one will be repainted. And the same for the 757, out of 100 757s left at least one will be repainted.

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 48):
AA retired another 762 on Jan 17. Now 10 active. Another will be retired on Feb 2nd.

End of this year, they will have 8 of them left, at the most. It looks like by early 2016, American will have no more 762.
It is quite likely that none of them will wear the new livery. Chances that one of them gets the new livery are slim but not zero. In the case of the 762, I think that only one would be repainted, if it ever sees the new livery.

Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 49):
Makes me very very glad to live in OKC which sees exclusively S80 service OKC-DFW.

EWR-DFW also sees exclusively S80 service, up to 6x daily. LGA-DFW already sees the 738. I think that EWR will continue to see the MD-80 longer than LGA will. I remember back in the late 90s/early 2000s, EWR was still seeing the 727 as JFK and LGA stopped seeing the 727 since the mid 90s.

Ben Soriano

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: Spacepope
Posted 2013-01-23 20:33:19 and read 3685 times.

Quoting american 767 (Reply 51):
Not all of them, of course, but at least ONE of them will. I'm sure that out of 200 MD-80s left at least one will be repainted. And the same for the 757, out of 100 757s left at least one will be repainted.

Sorry I wasn't more clear. I was suggesting the 2 MD-80s in Blythville were perhaps going to the breakers rather than the paint shop there.

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: Antoniemey
Posted 2013-01-24 01:19:51 and read 3529 times.

Quoting JBo (Reply 45):
Or the original Delta Connection livery where Comair, SkyWest, ASA, and BEX each had their own logo on the tail in lieu of the widget. The Ron Allen livery did the same thing, replace the 'Delta' script on the tail with the OH/OO/EV logos (unfortunately when Trans States and ACA came into the fray, they just had plain blue tails). It was the 'wavy gravy' livery that began diminishing the operator branding (OH/OO/EV still had prominent logos on the nose, but the newer partners were not as prominent). The current DL livery has either a very small operator logo or just plain type.

I almost forgot about that... The ACA planes in the Ron Allen scheme always looked odd.

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: 777way
Posted 2013-01-24 09:18:31 and read 3353 times.

What happened to thread part 4 on the AA livery, why was it deleted rather than being locked?

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: doulasc
Posted 2013-01-26 07:42:06 and read 2966 times.

In the American Eagle fleet I doubt any ATR-42s or 72s will get the new look.

Topic: RE: What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme
Username: N1120A
Posted 2013-01-26 10:05:03 and read 2866 times.

I would imagine that any MD80s that go through a C-check will get the new paint.


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