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Topic: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: olddominion727
Posted 2013-01-27 00:16:59 and read 9580 times.

I spoke to a WN rep today FAT is still being loaded, it's partially in their system. The announcement has not been made yet... still loading it 1 DEN, 3 LAX, 1 LAS, 1 SEA, 2 PHX... seems very aggressive. Could this be a build up to support Hawaii flights?

Topic: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2013-01-27 00:30:20 and read 9546 times.

Quoting olddominion727 (Thread starter):

I spoke to a WN rep today FAT is still being loaded, it's partially in their system. The announcement has not been made yet... still loading it 1 DEN, 3 LAX, 1 LAS, 1 SEA, 2 PHX... seems very aggressive. Could this be a build up to support Hawaii flights?

Especially because it seems so lopsided a city. Not many people in DEN, LAX, LAS, SEA, or PHX go to FAT. So pretty much everyone on those flights has to come from Fresno and surrounds. Then again, the catchment area would actually be quite large and encompass most of the Central Valley.

I don't see what FAT would do for Hawaii flights. Presumably flights to Hawaii would be out of SFO and LAX, mostly. FAT isn't big enough to be a WN transfer hub.

Topic: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: olddominion727
Posted 2013-01-27 01:08:17 and read 9473 times.

U R wrong about flights to HI. SJC & OAK both offer flights to LIH, HNL, KOA, OGG. FAT does too on G4 I believe... UA used to be strong in FAT. Fact is their express carrier westair had a hub their. The air terminal is in serious need of lift

Topic: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: bobloblaw
Posted 2013-01-27 01:29:49 and read 9425 times.

If its partially in their system we ought to be able to see it. SEA seems hard to believe.

Topic: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: mariner
Posted 2013-01-27 01:45:18 and read 9393 times.

Quoting olddominion727 (Thread starter):
I spoke to a WN rep today FAT is still being loaded, it's partially in their system. The announcement has not been made yet.

If it hasn't been announced - and if it is true - then surely it is confidential information and the rep should not have blabbed it.

mariner

Topic: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: olddominion727
Posted 2013-01-27 01:49:47 and read 9382 times.

@bob Go to their website Fresno is loaded, not making it up.

SEA seems like a gamble is AS pulling it?

Topic: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: boberito6589
Posted 2013-01-27 02:07:11 and read 9351 times.

FAT works as a city you can attempt to start a trip from on southwest.com, but every city that you pit in as the destination, it just says "Invalid Route with departure airport"

Topic: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: olddominion727
Posted 2013-01-27 04:10:53 and read 9231 times.

@bob Go to their website Fresno is loaded partially. not making it up. Just the "to" city of FAT will come up. Routes will not come up until announced (I think Tuesday).

SEA seems like a gamble is AS pulling it?

Topic: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: alggag
Posted 2013-01-27 06:06:10 and read 9008 times.

Fresno has been available as a city on southwest.com for about a year now thanks to the partnership with Volaris - along those lines, you can pull up cities in Mexico along with the few AirTran only cities. In the case of Airtran, you are redirected to airtran.com while for the Volaris only cities you get the error that you posted. So far the behavior you have posted is absolutely nothing new.

However, I did pull up their route map and noticed that Fresno is now totally missing and not marked as a Volaris station as I'm pretty sure that it had been in the past.

[Edited 2013-01-27 06:07:41]

Topic: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: wnflyguy
Posted 2013-01-27 06:14:18 and read 8973 times.

I don't see this happening.
BUT that being said This is a new WN.
DSM and KEY WEST are all about using third party contracting/outsourcing ground staff.
Which cost WN less to Open a new city than before so it's possible.
WN is all about shifting flying to find new revenue.
If and that's a big IF WN were to add FAT to the network I could see them pull flights from SMF because of the BIG jump in Airport cost at SMF.
So moving something like 2 LAX, 2 LAS from SMF and 1 SNA ( FL flight to feed the SNA Mexico service).
MY armchair network planning I can see FAT schedule something like.
........................................0630 LAX-ELP-DAL
........................................0735 SNA-MEX with connections to SJD
DAL-ELP-LAX 1200............1230 LAS-HOU-HRL
HRL-HOU-LAS 1330...........1400 LAX-PHX-ELP
TUS-SAN-LAS 1530...........1600 LAS-SAN-TUS
.......MEX-SNA 1935........................................
DAL-ELP-LAX 2100........................................

As you can see All MY made up markets have a Mexico feed to capture the huge Mexican American population of Fresno.
Wnfg 

[Edited 2013-01-27 06:36:52]

Topic: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: knope2001
Posted 2013-01-27 06:18:56 and read 8954 times.

Fresno does come up with valid destinations on the Southwest site...but they are all Volaris destinations like MEX and GDL.

This could indeed be prelude to real WN flights being added. Or perhaps Southwest.com will be selling Volaris-only flights out of Fresno (their only US destination WN does not serve) just like you can buy MDW-MEX flown by Volaris on southwest.com.

Fresno is certainly a possibility, and I've seen elsewhere Southwest will announce a new city with this schedule load. However the list of new flights seems a little dubious to me. FAT-LAX is barely 200 miles, and at time when they are cutting short haul flying left and right, it seems doubtful. And because Southwest has been contracting in the pacific northwest -- especially against Alaska -- it just doesn't seem likely they'd fly FAT-SEA. To my ears, the list of markets and frequencies seem like speculation only. They add up exacty to that magic number "8" which armchair analysts have insisted is Southwest's minimum threshold for adding a city. That alone makes the list dubious to me.

It's certainly *possible* that there's a kernel of truth to this, that FAT is indeed getting WN. But I find the list of markets and frequencies to be dubious.

Topic: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: GentFromAlaska
Posted 2013-01-27 06:47:13 and read 8847 times.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
Not many people in DEN, LAX, LAS, SEA, or PHX go to FAT

I disagree with you on PHX-FAT the route. I'm also on the proverbial teeter-totter about FAT-LAS. Fresno if memory serves is adjacent to Hwy 99; the Cali farm hwy route. It's well known migrant farm workers travel from the greater PHX area to the California central valley.

I'm surprised we didn't see a Oregon flight PDX or otherwise.

Topic: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: bobloblaw
Posted 2013-01-27 07:03:22 and read 8788 times.

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 9):

SNA requires a slot so they'd have to cancel something else. I don't see WN flying FAT- SNA. No local traffic and I don't think WN wants to fill the flight with VFR traffic to Mexico.

Topic: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: whatusaid
Posted 2013-01-27 08:10:00 and read 8587 times.

As much as I'd like to have WN in my home-town, I doubt there is any fact. FAT comes up in the system because of Volaris pairings. Volaris, by the way, is doing very well in Fresno but, it's a red eye so connections don't work.

WN would do very well to PHX and DEN. DEN is underserved by UA and is the traditional "go to" market for connections East.

Topic: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: GentFromAlaska
Posted 2013-01-27 08:47:08 and read 8476 times.

Quoting whatusaid (Reply 13):
WN would do very well to PHX and DEN

I'd be a little weary; F9 couldn't make FAT-DEN a go. Some believe after the SCASD grant subsidies dried up. Citing a economics 101 proverb I'd say it t was more the economy and what the local market could and couldn't tolerate in the fare department. Loads were really good while the introductory fares were in play.

If WN DEN-FAT service comes to fruition it might be a route for a FL 717

Topic: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: Kcrwflyer
Posted 2013-01-27 08:50:51 and read 8457 times.

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 14):
If WN DEN-FAT service comes to fruition it might be a route for a FL 717

I don't imagine them starting routes with an aircraft they've already decided to remove from the fleet.

Topic: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: GentFromAlaska
Posted 2013-01-27 09:20:32 and read 8350 times.

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 15):
I don't imagine them starting routes with an aircraft they've already decided to remove from the fleet.

I've not heard that officially. With that many airframes I just can't can't see them waiving a wand and have that many airframes going puff at one time. Over a period of three to five years maybe. They would be foolish not to fly them during any transition or removal from the fleet. If they had a buyer I suppose it could be expedited.

Topic: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: Kcrwflyer
Posted 2013-01-27 09:25:03 and read 8322 times.

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 16):
I've not heard that officially

You havent heard that they're selling them all to DL? It'll take through 2015.

http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/p...st-leases-planes-to-delta/800171/1

Topic: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2013-01-27 10:51:03 and read 8099 times.

If indeed WN is going to start SEA-FAT, I wonder if AS will throw a 73G on the same route. They could do that and continue on to GDL or even SAN.

Topic: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: whatusaid
Posted 2013-01-27 10:57:55 and read 8078 times.

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 14):
I'd be a little weary; F9 couldn't make FAT-DEN a go. Some believe after the SCASD grant subsidies dried up. Citing a economics 101 proverb I'd say it t was more the economy and what the local market could and couldn't tolerate in the fare department. Loads were really good while the introductory fares were in play.

If WN DEN-FAT service comes to fruition it might be a route for a FL

F9's only interest in Fresno was the govt money. They did virtually nothing to create business in this market. When they transitioned to the 1X 319, loads went way up, but a single flight a day against UA's usual 3X or 4X and the strong discount pricing of USAirways in this market was over and above what they could handle. That said, about 18 months after pulling out, they were knocking at the FAT door again wondering what funds might be available to restart service. FAT wasn't interested.

The concern at FAT is that if WN came in, existing airlines would take a hit. AS/QX has a strong following to SEA/PDX and the Northwest and took a chance on SAN (which is maybe B/E at best). G4's longtime LAS position would be toast. If G4's presence is down, we'd be concerned about our HNL and the prospects for OGG. FAT-HNL was the single most successful new city pairing ever for G4. That's largely due to their long-time presence here. Everyone knows G4... We need G4 in this market to create a buzz and prove routes that others wouldn't even look at. Keep in mind, FAT is far more leisure than business travel that other California markets.

While the City has always approached WN, and we had a verbal with their proposed nine departure schedule some years back and set aside two gates for them, it's just never happened, and the previous airport management urged caution. We might get bigger aircraft at the expense of cutbacks at the other carriers.

I'll believe it when I see it...

Topic: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: mariner
Posted 2013-01-27 11:00:29 and read 8058 times.

Quoting whatusaid (Reply 19):
F9's only interest in Fresno was the govt money. They did virtually nothing to create business in this market. When they transitioned to the 1X 319, loads went way up, but a single flight a day against UA's usual 3X or 4X and the strong discount pricing of USAirways in this market was over and above what they could handle.

Loads were only good in summer. In winter they were awful.

mariner

Topic: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: Tan Flyr
Posted 2013-01-27 11:39:01 and read 7934 times.

Quoting whatusaid (Reply 19):
While the City has always approached WN, and we had a verbal with their proposed nine departure schedule some years back and set aside two gates for them, it's just never happened, and the previous airport management urged caution. We might get bigger aircraft at the expense of cutbacks at the other carriers.

I just do not beleive , that in current valley economic conditions, FAT could support Southwest in the manner they need to be profitable. and I agree with Whatusaid, you need to be careful what you wish for sometimes, because the result is NOT what you expected. The amount of flights listed farther up in the thread, IF TRUE, would kill most of Eagle and UX flights to LAX and the connecting traffic they carry to domestic and international destinations.

PHX would put a huge crimp in US Airways Express also, and Horizon..well it might be gone and those easy connections at SEA/ PDX

IMHO, what FAT could stand is some incremental expansion of service either in frequency, aircraft size or destinations.

FAT could use the right sized aircraft for at least 1 RT daily to an upper midwest hub. Naturaly ORD would top the list, but DTW or even MSP would do. Probabaly a 319 or if an E-jet can make it would do also.

As much as I like the MD80's, it sure would be great if we got 738's from DFW sometime this year, the reliability of the 738 is needed.

Other than that, I really believe the market is served fairly well with all things considered.

Topic: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: wnflyguy
Posted 2013-01-27 11:39:39 and read 7934 times.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 12):

The 1 SNA flt would come from the 1 slot wasted FL flight to SFO.
WN could Indeed use some VFR traffic for it's SNA-MEX service.
It's MY understanding with interJet now in the market WN/FL can use the feed for MEX.
So along with the future code share any VFR feed will help the SNA-MEX market.
But again I don't see FAT becoming a WN city anytime soon.
Especially since they already cut so many other FL cities with higher yields than FAT with this merger.
wnfg 

[Edited 2013-01-27 11:42:38]

Topic: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: WNCrew
Posted 2013-01-27 11:41:53 and read 7922 times.

...so this ENTIRE post is based on essentially a "rumor"...

"my cousin's sister's boyfriend's cousin overheard someone say that someone else told them that......" Seriously?

Topic: RE: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-01-27 11:49:03 and read 7877 times.

Quoting whatusaid (Reply 19):
While the City has always approached WN, and we had a verbal with their proposed nine departure schedule some years back and set aside two gates for them, it's just never happened, and the previous airport management urged caution.

And keep in mind that the management before them refused WN's request for a dedicated gate to protect UA.

Regardless, I do see WN starting FAT, as it is one of the last remaining cities not on the WN and/or FL route map (CVG is another) that could be added under the vanishing WN eight-flight rule. WN is in the process of shifting their new-city focus to 2 to 5-flight/day cities that can meet their return on investment like DSM and FNT, Hawaiian markets, and the international markets inherited from the FL acquisition.

Topic: RE: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: whatusaid
Posted 2013-01-27 12:43:18 and read 7941 times.

Playing around the WN website, the only city pair recognized is FAT-MEX. Even then, once you've selected your dates, it comes up invalid on the next page. Doesn't even pick up the nonstop FAT-GDL on Y4. I doubt this entire rumor is much more than a glitch in WN's on-line reservations...

Topic: RE: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: Silver1SWA
Posted 2013-01-27 13:05:13 and read 7857 times.

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 23):
...so this ENTIRE post is based on essentially a "rumor"...

"my cousin's sister's boyfriend's cousin overheard someone say that someone else told them that......" Seriously?


I know, right? Glad they finally changed the thread title appropriately.

[Edited 2013-01-27 13:06:14]

Topic: RE: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: SurfandSnow
Posted 2013-01-27 13:30:43 and read 7909 times.

I could see FAT working under the new WN model, something like 2x daily LAS, 1x daily PHX. Possibly DEN and/or SAN. They certainly wouldn't do SMF or any of the Bay Area airports, and I think even LAX and SNA are too close to have an acceptable level of local O&D. SEA is absolutely out of the question, given WN's relatively weak position in the Pacific Northwest.

That said, it has been said that WN will not be opening any new stations until the FL conversions are complete. I would imagine the remaining FL-only domestic markets (GRR, MEM, PNS, and RIC) will all have Canyon Blue service within a year, then they'll have to do the international stuff and DAL expansion after that. There's also Hawaii pending the completion of ETOPS. So there's a lot on the WN plate, and I'm not sure that a smaller domestic market like FAT is in the picture now. Now, overall, FAT has to be one of the most attractive domestic (mainland) markets left. CVG is of course the largest one they don't serve, but then it's stuff like GSO, BTV, BIL, FAT, SYR, etc....

Topic: RE: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: GentFromAlaska
Posted 2013-01-27 14:33:48 and read 7743 times.

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 17):
You haven't heard that they're selling them all to DL

Nope! And to add insult to injury I'm not sure how I missed it. I suppose in July I'm outside more in the garden or doing something in the yard which involves some sort of dirt therapy. This time of year I'm inside more.

Topic: RE: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2013-01-27 15:32:17 and read 7384 times.

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 16):
I've not heard that officially. With that many airframes I just can't can't see them waiving a wand and have that many airframes going puff at one time. Over a period of three to five years maybe. They would be foolish not to fly them during any transition or removal from the fleet. If they had a buyer I suppose it could be expedited.
Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 28):
Nope! And to add insult to injury I'm not sure how I missed it. I suppose in July I'm outside more in the garden or doing something in the yard which involves some sort of dirt therapy. This time of year I'm inside more.

they start coming to Delta later this year and its 3 per month till all 88 are with Delta.

We all miss stuff every now and then.   

Topic: RE: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: bobloblaw
Posted 2013-01-27 16:34:14 and read 6957 times.

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 22):
The 1 SNA flt would come from the 1 slot wasted FL flight to SFO.
WN could Indeed use some VFR traffic for it's SNA-MEX service.

There has to be local traffic, or else WN wont fly it. Also WN is not a LCC anymore. Their costs wont allow for lots of FAT flow traffic to Mexico via an intermediate stop.

Topic: RE: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: airliner371
Posted 2013-01-27 16:45:01 and read 6874 times.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 30):
Also WN is not a LCC anymore.

All i'm gonna say is, i'm not surprised its coming from you. I have found different results, I know already to say, lets agree to disagree, I'm gonna leave it there.

Topic: RE: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: ASFlyer
Posted 2013-01-27 17:06:03 and read 6747 times.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 27):
I could see FAT working under the new WN model,

What is the new WN model? Any new cities they've begun recently are just FL cities that they're moving into. I'm not sure that this is the "new WN model" as much as it's WN trying to ingest FL in a slow and measured way. That said, I do think that WN is probably looking at their old business model with an eye to changing it in order to increase their profits.

Topic: RE: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: DesertAir
Posted 2013-01-27 18:00:10 and read 6443 times.

I would add SAN to the schedule and axe SEA. ExpressJet ran a very successful FAT-SAN service. WN schedules for connectivity...uses PHX, LAS and DEN not only as destination but as connections. I recall that WN had between 5 and 6 flights a day from TUS to LAS. Yes, alot of people went to LAS but many like me connected to other places.

Topic: RE: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: olddominion727
Posted 2013-01-27 18:27:51 and read 6300 times.

keep in mind WN came into SJC and ran F9, AA, QQ out and made UA cut DEN flights to some UAX, drop SJC-ORD, and only retain LAX 2x daily and AA is down to 2 flits to ORD. They are SJC's largest carrier. They've all but destroyed OAK's other carriers too.

Topic: RE: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: JONC777
Posted 2013-01-27 18:53:31 and read 6149 times.

Interesting. .. just saw parental guidence today, and the grandparents flew from fresno to atlanta supposedly on SWA. . . .
(SWA was a huge sponser in that movie) I remember thinking that it was odd as SW doesnt even fly to FAT.

Topic: RE: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: FATFlyer
Posted 2013-01-27 19:21:52 and read 6047 times.

Interesting, this is the second time I've seen this rumor on different websites in recent weeks. I wonder if it is smoke about something or simply multiple people repeating an incorrect rumor.

Quoting olddominion727 (Thread starter):
still loading it 1 DEN, 3 LAX, 1 LAS, 1 SEA, 2 PHX... seems very aggressive. Could this be a build up to support Hawaii flights?

SEA seems strange but the others would fall into the larger connecting cities that WN would use out of FAT if they ever started service.

But whatusaid has been connected with both inside information and number analysis about the airline situation at FAT for a couple of decades (hey, we still need to do lunch one of these days). If he hasn't heard anything yet then its being kept very hush locally. Otherwise it is nothing more than speculation.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 18):
If indeed WN is going to start SEA-FAT, I wonder if AS will throw a 73G on the same route. They could do that and continue on to GDL or even SAN.

With both Volaris and Aeromexico already flying FAT-GDL, I'm not sure it makes sense for AS to be the third airline flying the route.

Quoting Tan Flyr (Reply 21):
FAT could use the right sized aircraft for at least 1 RT daily to an upper midwest hub. Naturaly ORD would top the list, but DTW or even MSP would do. Probabaly a 319 or if an E-jet can make it would do also.

An upper midwest hub would be my wish too. The talk of DL starting FAT-ATL a few years ago were nice but ORD/MSP/DTW would be a very useful connecting point.

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 33):
I would add SAN to the schedule and axe SEA. ExpressJet ran a very successful FAT-SAN service.

QX currently flies FAT-SAN.

Quoting JONC777 (Reply 35):
Interesting. .. just saw parental guidence today, and the grandparents flew from fresno to atlanta supposedly on SWA. . . .
(SWA was a huge sponser in that movie) I remember thinking that it was odd as SW doesnt even fly to FAT.

Maybe Billy Crystal had a premonition.....

Topic: RE: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: SANFan
Posted 2013-01-28 09:43:30 and read 5045 times.

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 36):
Interesting, this is the second time I've seen this rumor on different websites in recent weeks. I wonder if it is smoke about something or simply multiple people repeating an incorrect rumor

Hey 'Flyer I've been waiting for you to weigh in on this topic. You and whatu' are the 2 FAT-experts around here so it's good to hear from both of you.

I've been reading the thread with interest and remain skeptical about its accuracy.

Quoting olddominion727 (Thread starter):
1 DEN, 3 LAX, 1 LAS, 1 SEA, 2 PHX...
Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 36):
SEA seems strange but the others would fall into the larger connecting cities that WN would use out of FAT if they ever started service
Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 36):
QX currently flies FAT-SAN
Quoting knope2001 (Reply 10):
However the list of new flights seems a little dubious to me. FAT-LAX is barely 200 miles, and at time when they are cutting short haul flying left and right, it seems doubtful. And because Southwest has been contracting in the pacific northwest -- especially against Alaska -- it just doesn't seem likely they'd fly FAT-SEA. To my ears, the list of markets and frequencies seem like speculation only

About all of these comments, as well as some others, LAX and SEA make no sense to me either for WN from Fresno; DEN, LAS and PHX do. SAN maybe/maybe not but I tend to think WN would offer way too much capacity in the market although it would make more sense than LAX.

All I could really expect to see would be 4 or maybe 5 daily flights from FAT and I therefore don't see why WN would bother.

bb

Topic: RE: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: N747PE
Posted 2013-01-30 07:51:53 and read 4520 times.

Well no word about WN coming to town on yesterdays news. I guess we will have to keep hoping and waiting

Topic: RE: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: Tan Flyr
Posted 2013-01-30 08:55:36 and read 4360 times.

Quoting N747PE (Reply 38):
Well no word about WN coming to town on yesterdays news. I guess we will have to keep hoping and waiting

Mike, I wouldn't hold your breath !

Topic: RE: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: Concordski
Posted 2013-01-30 09:15:08 and read 4309 times.

Would love to see ATL-FAT return. Delta used to use 2x 757s daily on this route in the 90s. I think WN could have a daily 737 on this route and make money. Mostly wishful thinking though.

Topic: RE: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: Tan Flyr
Posted 2013-01-30 09:30:24 and read 4269 times.

Quoting Concordski (Reply 40):
Would love to see ATL-FAT return. Delta used to use 2x 757s daily on this route in the 90s. I think WN could have a daily 737 on this route and make money. Mostly wishful thinking though.

Delta NEVER started FAT-ATL..much less 2 757's. Sorry...you must have FAt confused with somewhere else.

The largest DL jet ever in scheduled service here was the 72S. to SLC. and occasionally to LAX.

Topic: RE: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: FAT5DEP
Posted 2013-01-30 10:28:42 and read 4155 times.

I worked for Delta in the 90's at FAT and thought that would have been crazy to see 2 757s there. I don't even think our airstairs could have reached the 757. ; ) In 1994, before the schedule change, Delta had 7 flights out of FAT with a mixture of 727s and 737s to SLC, RNO and LAX. LAX was cut in 1995 and Skywest took over those flights on EMB-120s. I remember flying first class on a 737-300 to my interview in LAX with Delta!

I'm kind of torn if Southwest came to Fresno. On one hand it would be great to have access to their network, but on the other I would be concerned that the existing markets that the current airlines have made work would suffer.

Topic: RE: Rumor: Southwest Finally Starts Fresno
Username: Concordski
Posted 2013-01-30 10:28:51 and read 4155 times.

Quoting Tan Flyr (Reply 41):

Quoting Concordski (Reply 40):
Would love to see ATL-FAT return. Delta used to use 2x 757s daily on this route in the 90s. I think WN could have a daily 737 on this route and make money. Mostly wishful thinking though.

Delta NEVER started FAT-ATL..much less 2 757's. Sorry...you must have FAt confused with somewhere else.

The largest DL jet ever in scheduled service here was the 72S. to SLC. and occasionally to LAX.

I have a timetable that says otherwise from ~1993. I'll have to see if I can dig it up. Maybe it never came to be just as the recent 2007 attempt at nonstop?

[Edited 2013-01-30 10:29:25]


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