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Topic: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: toobz
Posted 2013-01-28 08:16:11 and read 14186 times.

Pretty cool if you ask me!

Delta
We're excited to announce The Sky Deck, coming this summer to the Delta Sky Club® at Atlanta's Concourse F and JFK's Terminal 4. Created by renowned designer Thom Filicia, these new outdoor lounges will provide a unique refuge for busy travelers.
http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=1852

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: STT757
Posted 2013-01-28 08:18:57 and read 14184 times.

I hope they won't turn into smoking lounges like the outdoor areas of other airports.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: FoxBravo
Posted 2013-01-28 08:20:37 and read 14155 times.

Very cool. The terrace at JFK T4 should offer some of the best views since they closed the rooftop parking lot at the soon-to-be-demolished T3.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: panamair
Posted 2013-01-28 08:39:04 and read 13989 times.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
I hope they won't turn into smoking lounges like the outdoor areas of other airports.

The SkyDecks will be all non-smoking.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: LDVAviation
Posted 2013-01-28 08:42:05 and read 13960 times.

The concept is impractical. A "sky deck" in LA would make sense, the ones in Atlanta and JFK not so much.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: toobz
Posted 2013-01-28 08:53:25 and read 13858 times.

Well I'm sure many people will find it practical and a pleasure..

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: AAflyguy
Posted 2013-01-28 08:56:42 and read 13840 times.

Why is it impractical? Just because there's more chance for inclement weather at ATL & JFK than LAX? I say BRAVO..I think the concept is very cool, and I think many others will also. It's another amenity, if you will, to further improve the experience for Sky Club visitors at those two international facilities. I, for one, would LOVE to be hanging out at either location, weather permitting, as a sort of escape from the confines of indoor space, no matter how nice an environment the Sky Club itself may be. To be outside on a beautiful, or even so-so, day post-security is not something offered at many airports. And, as indicated, it seems that most of those terminals which do have an outdoor area allow smoking, or they really are mostly utilized as smoking areas. This is vastly different, and somewhat out-of-the-box thinking on Delta's part. Very cool..

AAflyguy

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: ClassicLover
Posted 2013-01-28 08:57:42 and read 13835 times.

Quoting panamair (Reply 3):
The SkyDecks will be all non-smoking.

It doesn't say that in the press release.

Meanwhile, how would that be enforced anyway? I can see smokers being like, I am outside - and so?

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: jetlanta
Posted 2013-01-28 09:13:17 and read 13699 times.

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 4):

The concept is impractical. A "sky deck" in LA would make sense, the ones in Atlanta and JFK not so much.

Why on earth would you think so? And besides, I don't think the point is "practicality".

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: FoxBravo
Posted 2013-01-28 09:17:13 and read 13661 times.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 7):

Meanwhile, how would that be enforced anyway?

Same way it's enforced in NYC parks. Or inside the terminal, for that matter.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: ikramerica
Posted 2013-01-28 09:23:43 and read 13615 times.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 7):
Meanwhile, how would that be enforced anyway? I can see smokers being like, I am outside - and so?

Or within 100 feet of any building entrance in some cities, or within 100 feet of any restaurant or eatery in my town. The few people who ignore the law get scolded by those who don't want the stink. It's very rare that an authority needs to be called, but if there is need, the Sky personnel would ask them to put it out or leave the lounge. It's not a public place...

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: tommy767
Posted 2013-01-28 09:25:55 and read 13596 times.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):

Why not? I think that would be pretty cool.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: rwy04lga
Posted 2013-01-28 09:36:56 and read 13506 times.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 7):
It doesn't say that in the press release.

Meanwhile, how would that be enforced anyway? I can see smokers being like, I am outside - and so?

I'm sure more than a few Diamonds have Mayor Bloomberg on their contact list. And as stated above, it's not a public space, it's a private club. OTOH, imagine someone flicking their butts onto the ramp.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: commavia
Posted 2013-01-28 09:45:14 and read 13438 times.

Well, obviously weather has to be considered. (A SkyDeck probably wouldn't be exceedingly popular in Las Vegas in August, nor Minneapolis in February, for example.) But in general, I agree - this is a really, really cool idea.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: max999
Posted 2013-01-28 09:57:12 and read 13305 times.

This brings up a question...what other US airports have viewing decks anymore (public or private)?

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: SANFan
Posted 2013-01-28 09:58:41 and read 13278 times.

I wonder if any more SkyDecks are planned in the US?

In SAN, as part of the new terminal expansion (T2W, aka the GreenBuild) there is some sort of rooftop structure that appears to be a room of some kind but I've heard nothing about it and from the photos I've seen, it's really difficult to see what it might be. (And it could certainly just be a/c or other type of mechanical space.) I also know that DL has a Crown Room/lounge in the area but I'm not sure if it's being relocated or not. (UA is relocating their lounge to the area as well.)

I've always hoped that there might be some sort of observation deck or something like that as part of the new West Concourse/Green Build. Given our weather and the location of the airport, it would sure be a terrific location for an outdoor facility of some kind!

bb

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: CODC10
Posted 2013-01-28 09:59:20 and read 13289 times.

I think this is a brilliant idea... looking forward to trying.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 11):


Why not? I think that would be pretty cool.

+1. Something along the lines of the cigar lounge in the LH FCL/FCT!  

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: panamair
Posted 2013-01-28 10:02:42 and read 13276 times.

Artist rendering of the JFK SkyDeck (taken from delta.com at http://delta.thedigitalcenter.com/category/220-sky-clubs)

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: mayor
Posted 2013-01-28 10:11:01 and read 13192 times.

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 4):
A "sky deck" in LA would make sense,

Or a "smog deck", perhaps??  

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: rwy04lga
Posted 2013-01-28 10:15:14 and read 13145 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 16):
DL has a Crown Room

They're now called 'Sky Clubs'.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: nicksair
Posted 2013-01-28 10:17:14 and read 13119 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 16):
In SAN, as part of the new terminal expansion (T2W, aka the GreenBuild) there is some sort of rooftop structure that appears to be a room of some kind but I've heard nothing about it and from the photos I've seen, it's really difficult to see what it might be. (And it could certainly just be a/c or other type of mechanical space.) I also know that DL has a Crown Room/lounge in the area but I'm not sure if it's being relocated or not. (UA is relocating their lounge to the area as well.)

BB,

If you are speaking about the tower coming up from the end of the rotunda at Gates 39/40/41, etc. That is actually going to be a ramp tower for ramp operations in the 2 alleyways there at T2. Since the current position of the Control Tower has limited visibility on the new expanded part of T2.

'2NW.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: TSS
Posted 2013-01-28 10:18:02 and read 13126 times.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
I hope they won't turn into smoking lounges like the outdoor areas of other airports.

No need, as ATL still offers designated smoking lounges within the terminals-
http://www.atlanta-airport.com/Passe...ustomerService/smokingLounges.aspx

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: jfklganyc
Posted 2013-01-28 10:35:13 and read 12989 times.

New Yorkers love al fresco in all weather. Take a walk up the street in the city and every restaurant has an outdoor eating space.

Product differentiation continues in NY. Nice job DL

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: LDVAviation
Posted 2013-01-28 11:59:35 and read 12714 times.

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 8):
Why on earth would you think so? And besides, I don't think the point is "practicality".

At airports, places like this get dingy very fast. All the particles from the plane exhaust to whatever else settle on the chairs and furniture. Add a little rain and things get sticky quite fast.

And, we are not talking about a high end hotel here with the staff to wipe off the chairs and tables on a daily basis.

And, while the point for Delta may not be "practicality," how practical do you think the space will be to a premium traveller in business attire once the dust settles?

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: SANFan
Posted 2013-01-28 12:46:16 and read 12773 times.

Quoting nicksair (Reply 21):
If you are speaking about the tower coming up from the end of the rotunda at Gates 39/40/41, etc.

No, nick', I'm not talking about the RCF (and I forgot to mention that in my post; sorry.)

This is a large, flat-roofed, rectangular structure maybe 100' behind (south of) the ramp tower and above gate 37. It looks awfully big to be a maintenance or a/c room -- it's maybe 80' long. It looks like a separate building that was plunked down on the roof of the T2W concourse. (Sorry but I don't have permission to use any of the pix I've seen so I'm not going to take a chance.)

I can't tell if it even has windows but it definitely has a solid white roof. I'm pretty sure it isn't what I'd like to be, but at this point, I'm just not sure. (And always hopeful!)

bb

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: rwy04lga
Posted 2013-01-28 13:21:04 and read 12770 times.

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 24):
And, we are not talking about a high end hotel here with the staff to wipe off the chairs and tables on a daily basis.

How do you know that won't be the case? It's an outdoor lounge catering to high value, big spending customers. Why wouldn't Delta keep the place clean on a daily basis?

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: jetlanta
Posted 2013-01-28 13:58:32 and read 12766 times.

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 24):
At airports, places like this get dingy very fast. All the particles from the plane exhaust to whatever else settle on the chairs and furniture. Add a little rain and things get sticky quite fast.

And, we are not talking about a high end hotel here with the staff to wipe off the chairs and tables on a daily basis.

And, while the point for Delta may not be "practicality," how practical do you think the space will be to a premium traveller in business attire once the dust settles?

Delta has staff cleaning the inside of the clubs constantly. I think we can be sure they they have included outdoor custodial services as part of the business plan for this. I mean seriously, do you really think they aren't going to clean the furniture in intervals that would prevent soot and grime build up?

Skepticism and doubt are cute until they become cynicism. You are just cynical. Do you have your own cold water reservoir?

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: cokepopper
Posted 2013-01-28 14:06:05 and read 12777 times.

It's not like it's sitting at the ground level at the end of the runway!
Look at the pictures. I'm sure this will be very popular with our most frequent travelers.
As usual the cast of characters come out against anything Delta does.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: PanAm788
Posted 2013-01-28 14:10:42 and read 12754 times.

Won't it smell like jet fuel? The air outside airports even at curbside pickup typically isn't the freshest.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: KaiGywer
Posted 2013-01-28 14:17:53 and read 12781 times.

Quoting PanAm788 (Reply 29):
Won't it smell like jet fuel?

Even better   

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: ocracoke
Posted 2013-01-28 14:18:17 and read 12735 times.

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 24):
At airports, places like this get dingy very fast. All the particles from the plane exhaust to whatever else settle on the chairs and furniture. Add a little rain and things get sticky quite fast.

And, we are not talking about a high end hotel here with the staff to wipe off the chairs and tables on a daily basis.

And, while the point for Delta may not be "practicality," how practical do you think the space will be to a premium traveller in business attire once the dust settles?

Something tells me that if this were AA doing this at DFW, MIA, and LAX, it would be a wonderful idea, and prove to the world what an innovative and forward looking airline AA is.

But since this is another airline doing this, well, ........

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: Josh32121
Posted 2013-01-28 14:23:09 and read 12650 times.

Negative Nancies aside, I think this is a fantastic idea. For people who don't want to smell jet exhaust or think it's too hot or cold outside, the indoor areas of the club aren't going away. I love the fact that they're offering this al fresco option! And don't forget NRT and AMS both have outdoor areas that function just fine. I think the criticisms are just what jetlanta called them: cynicism.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: cargolex
Posted 2013-01-28 14:31:05 and read 12573 times.

Quoting max999 (Reply 15):
This brings up a question...what other US airports have viewing decks anymore (public or private)?

Sadly hardly any, and the attitude towards those watching or photographing aircraft can be hostile in the extreme.

I'm happy to hear Delta is creating this, though I don't have access to the sky club (I don't think, some Alaska Airlines MVP's get reciprocal access to clubs). They aren't my favorite airline, but this is definitely something I think is a positive step for customers who enjoy the experience of flying.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: nickofatlanta
Posted 2013-01-28 14:50:30 and read 12455 times.

There's a outdoor pool in the terminal at SIN complete with chairs etc that seemed pretty clean etc when I was there. Don't think DL would go to the trouble and expense of putting these decks in without ensuring they're suitable for the outdoor airport environment they will be located in.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: Coronado
Posted 2013-01-28 14:52:32 and read 12473 times.

Maybe DL could figure out how to fancy up the observation room at MSP:

MSP's+Secret+Observation+Deck" target="_blank">http://www.jaunted.com/story/2011/2/...Find+MSP's+Secret+Observation+Deck

I have not had enough time at MSP in the last 2-3 years to get up there, but nice to see it is still open for customers.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: OA412
Posted 2013-01-28 14:54:33 and read 12420 times.

Interesting move on DL's part. It sounds like a really cool idea, I just wonder how it'll work on cold weather days. Although I do know that many of us in "colder" areas of the country aren't really averse to being outside in winter, but it'll obviously be a no-go on rain/snow days.

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 27):

Seriously! The suggestion that DL (or any airline) would build something meant to attract high-yield passengers only to leave it filthy is laughable. Given the ongoing push by the big 3 to "win" New York, they're not going to do something as foolish as allowing dirt and grime to linger in the SkyDeck.

Quoting ocracoke (Reply 31):

Haha you took the words right out of my mouth!

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: klkla
Posted 2013-01-28 14:56:44 and read 12399 times.

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 24):
At airports, places like this get dingy very fast. All the particles from the plane exhaust to whatever else settle on the chairs and furniture. Add a little rain and things get sticky quite fast.

And, we are not talking about a high end hotel here with the staff to wipe off the chairs and tables on a daily basis.

And, while the point for Delta may not be "practicality," how practical do you think the space will be to a premium traveller in business attire once the dust settles?

I'm sure it will have outdoor furniture that can be hosed down. If the weather forecast is for a good day you have someone from maintenance hose it down in the morning and then put out the cushions and other supplies for the day. I'm sure they've thought this through already.Shouldn't be too complicated.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: rwy04lga
Posted 2013-01-28 15:25:23 and read 12253 times.

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 30):
Quoting PanAm788 (Reply 29):
Won't it smell like jet fuel?

Even better

LOLOL I love the smell of unburned hydrocarbons in the morning, smells like....the PanAm rooftop!

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: nicksair
Posted 2013-01-28 15:35:02 and read 12214 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 25):
No, nick', I'm not talking about the RCF (and I forgot to mention that in my post; sorry.)

This is a large, flat-roofed, rectangular structure maybe 100' behind (south of) the ramp tower and above gate 37. It looks awfully big to be a maintenance or a/c room -- it's maybe 80' long. It looks like a separate building that was plunked down on the roof of the T2W concourse. (Sorry but I don't have permission to use any of the pix I've seen so I'm not going to take a chance.)

BB,

Don't be sorry at all! And i'll have to investigate that further. Could possibly be the a part of the new United Club!

'2NW.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: mayor
Posted 2013-01-28 15:53:35 and read 12057 times.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 36):
The suggestion that DL (or any airline) would build something meant to attract high-yield passengers only to leave it filthy is laughable.

And yet, that same person suggested that maybe LAX would be more "practical". Go figure.  

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: cschleic
Posted 2013-01-28 15:56:51 and read 11996 times.

Quoting Josh32121 (Reply 32):
For people who don't want to smell jet exhaust

Someone doesn't like jet smell??????
 

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: mayor
Posted 2013-01-28 16:03:12 and read 11874 times.

Quoting cschleic (Reply 41):
Someone doesn't like jet smell??????

Depends on how strong it is and how long you have to put up with it. In SLC, right after the DL/WA merger, I was working in load planning and the ramp coordinator's office, under gate C-5. In the mornings, Ports of Call would have their 707 (or 720, can't remember) sitting across from us on "B" concourse. They'd run the engines up, for about 20 minutes at a time and the fumes would come right across the ramp to where we were. Didn't take long for that to become unbearable, especially in an enclosed space like our office.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: Josh32121
Posted 2013-01-28 16:56:32 and read 11231 times.

Quoting cschleic (Reply 41):
Someone doesn't like jet smell??????
 

Hehehe....surely no one on these forums! I'd pay extra for it.  

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: SCQ83
Posted 2013-01-28 17:35:52 and read 10764 times.

I think it is unavoidable that airports will get more and more open spaces.

Nowadays every single new terminal has turned into your average A/Ced mall. Yet customers in the street are getting tired of suburban malls and priorizing more walkable, open-air commercial environments (at least where weather permits). I am sure this trend will arrive sooner than later to more airports, specially to hubs competing in a global playground (or in the case of JFK, to competing terminals/carriers).

For instance, BCN's new T1 has two huge courtyards http://doorstoautomatic.files.wordpr...ss.com/2010/03/outside-airside.jpg once you are airside. Not the most amazing space today (they are quite empty and clinical) but I can only imagine them with terraces or swings for kids... probably the major issue is the commercial tenants not happy with people staying there enjoying the fresh air instead of buying in the shops.  

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: cloudboy
Posted 2013-01-28 17:50:32 and read 10507 times.

I don't care if they are just cement pads with a few metal benches. Heck I would even stand!

I am glad to see them doing this. Atlanta makes Air Travel a pretty mundane, frustrating event. Something like this where you get to finally connect with air travel I think makes traveling through that airport much more tolerable. Hopefully they can do something about the crowding at that club.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-01-28 17:54:25 and read 10508 times.

Quoting panamair (Reply 14):
Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 7):
Meanwhile, how would that be enforced anyway?

This is how.....

  

Quoting panamair (Reply 18):
Artist rendering of the JFK SkyDec

Wait, can you actually see the airfield?

And do you need to be a Sky Club member to get in?

This may be the incentive needed for me to join

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: mjgbtv
Posted 2013-01-28 17:56:44 and read 10423 times.

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 44):
what other US airports have viewing decks anymore

BTV has a viewing area on the roof of the latest parking garage expansion.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: ikramerica
Posted 2013-01-28 18:01:20 and read 10416 times.

Quoting mayor (Reply 19):
Or a "smog deck", perhaps??  

Not at LAX. Impossible. Nor SNA, SBA, SAN, LGB.

But BUR and ONT, sure. Though not at much at BUR as in the past.

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 44):
Nowadays every single new terminal has turned into your average A/Ced mall. Yet customers in the street are getting tired of suburban malls and priorizing more walkable, open-air commercial environments (at least where weather permits). I am sure this trend will arrive sooner than later to more airports, specially to hubs competing in a global playground (or in the case of JFK, to competing terminals/carriers).

I love it an HNL, but it is dependent on the climate. Would be not so nice at LAS, and most of Florida have big atrium airports to keep out the humidity and mildew that comes with it.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: LDVAviation
Posted 2013-01-28 19:31:35 and read 9504 times.

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 27):
Skepticism and doubt are cute until they become cynicism. You are just cynical. Do you have your own cold water reservoir?

If I were being cynical, I would have questioned the association with Architectural Digest and the use of Thom Filicia with his Room and Board aesthetic.

There is nothing cynical about wondering about the upkeep of such periphery spaces. There is also nothing cynical about wondering why Delta is building a Skydeck instead of a club restaurant (e.g., the Cathay Noodle Bar).

Quoting ocracoke (Reply 31):
Something tells me that if this were AA doing this at DFW, MIA, and LAX, it would be a wonderful idea, and prove to the world what an innovative and forward looking airline AA is.

But since this is another airline doing this, well, ........

If AA were doing this, I would be even more harsh. I would be complaining about the choice of a rooftop deck over a club restaurant. I would be describing the design as pedestrian. I would be predicting the demise of the space in a year or so after the hype of the Architectural Digest tie-in dies down.

[Edited 2013-01-28 19:40:04]

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: cosyr
Posted 2013-01-28 20:17:32 and read 9068 times.

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 8):
Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 4):

The concept is impractical. A "sky deck" in LA would make sense, the ones in Atlanta and JFK not so much.

Why on earth would you think so? And besides, I don't think the point is "practicality".

Because it's not just about inclement weather in ATL, it is about months of heat and humidity, and cold at JFK.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: max999
Posted 2013-01-28 20:24:15 and read 8994 times.

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 4):
The concept is impractical. A "sky deck" in LA would make sense, the ones in Atlanta and JFK not so much.
Quoting cosyr (Reply 50):
Because it's not just about inclement weather in ATL, it is about months of heat and humidity, and cold at JFK.

I guess with that logic, Central Park in New York is pretty useless with all its heat and humidity, and cold. Haha

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2013-01-28 20:24:27 and read 9039 times.

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 8):
Why on earth would you think so? And besides, I don't think the point is "practicality

This

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 24):
And, we are not talking about a high end hotel here with the staff to wipe off the chairs and tables on a daily basis.

Ah so thats normally what Delta trys to do, piss off HVCs.

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 24):
And, while the point for Delta may not be "practicality," how practical do you think the space will be to a premium traveller in business attire once the dust settles?

and how do you know Delta wont be keeping to place completely clean?

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 27):

Delta has staff cleaning the inside of the clubs constantly. I think we can be sure they they have included outdoor custodial services as part of the business plan for this. I mean seriously, do you really think they aren't going to clean the furniture in intervals that would prevent soot and grime build up?

and piss off HVCs. not going to happen.

Quoting PanAm788 (Reply 29):
Won't it smell like jet fuel? The air outside airports even at curbside pickup typically isn't the freshest.

......Jetfuel   

Quoting ocracoke (Reply 31):

Something tells me that if this were AA doing this at DFW, MIA, and LAX, it would be a wonderful idea, and prove to the world what an innovative and forward looking airline AA is.

odd, i get the same feeling.

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 49):

There is nothing cynical about wondering about the upkeep of such periphery spaces. There is also nothing cynical about wondering why Delta is building a Skydeck instead of a club restaurant (e.g., the Cathay Noodle Bar).

thats pretty easy, Its a US airline. All a restaurant would do is drive SkyClub cost out of this world. (or for people like yourself, it would take more money out of employees pockets)

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 49):
I would be even more harsh.

  

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: SurfandSnow
Posted 2013-01-28 20:30:17 and read 8864 times.

What a great concept. This is the type of thing that may actually lead me to buy the day pass to use the club!

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: mayor
Posted 2013-01-28 21:26:48 and read 8415 times.

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 24):
how practical do you think the space will be to a premium traveller in business attire once the dust settles?

Most business travellers that I see are usually dressed pretty casually, at least on the way home.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: PanAm1971
Posted 2013-01-28 23:52:04 and read 7684 times.

I hope it has great views. However I have a feeling Homeland Security might have some objections. Also, I really hate the fact the orginal Worldport Terminal Three is being torn down. It would be perfect for ideas like this.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: jcwr56
Posted 2013-01-29 02:21:05 and read 7031 times.

Quoting max999 (Reply 14):
This brings up a question...what other US airports have viewing decks anymore (public or private)?

You do have the old public observation deck located (which hasn't been used in over 25 years) in Terminal 2 at ORD. The problem is, there's no elevators and retrofitting to comply with ADA would make it cost prohibitive.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: aircanada014
Posted 2013-01-29 03:23:46 and read 6760 times.

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 8):
Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 4):

The concept is impractical. A "sky deck" in LA would make sense, the ones in Atlanta and JFK not so much.

Why on earth would you think so? And besides, I don't think the point is "practicality".

I think it has to do with the weather, especially during winter season. LAX won't see snow just rain and sunshine with nice warm temperature. I don't know how many people want to be outside during blizzard, getting frostbite especially if windchill factor is bad where as LAX again sunshine, warm and hot weather but easily to avoid rain because you won't see rain for 4-5 months straight.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: RKSofACinUSA
Posted 2013-01-29 04:03:40 and read 6522 times.

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 23):
At airports, places like this get dingy very fast. All the particles from the plane exhaust to whatever else settle on the chairs and furniture. Add a little rain and things get sticky quite fast.

And, we are not talking about a high end hotel here with the staff to wipe off the chairs and tables on a daily basis.
Quoting aircanada014 (Reply 56):
I think it has to do with the weather, especially during winter season. LAX won't see snow just rain and sunshine with nice warm temperature. I don't know how many people want to be outside during blizzard, getting frostbite especially if windchill factor is bad where as LAX again sunshine, warm and hot weather but easily to avoid rain because you won't see rain for 4-5 months straight.

I see the glass as 'half full' rather than 'half empty'. The inside facilities at many Sky Clubs are not always perfectly kept either but I'd still much prefer to be there than the food court. I look forward to the opportunity to get some outside air in the middle of a long day of travel even if it does smell of jet fuel or the weather is not perfect. Congratulations again to Delta for being an industry leader!

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: cokepopper
Posted 2013-01-29 05:23:56 and read 6012 times.

Quoting PanAm1971 (Reply 54):
I hope it has great views. However I have a feeling Homeland Security might have some objections. Also, I really hate the fact the orginal Worldport Terminal Three is being torn down. It would be perfect for ideas like this.

Maybe it will have a great view of the demolition of Term 3  

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2013-01-29 05:33:33 and read 5928 times.

Amazing how people will find the negative in everything.

This is another option for Skyclub members and guests, if you don't like it, don't use it.

I like going to a Skyclub grabbing a drink and a snack and watching the airport operations out the window (in the clubs that have windows). I'd definetely go outside if possible.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: cloudboy
Posted 2013-01-29 06:07:30 and read 5651 times.

Quoting aircanada014 (Reply 56):
I think it has to do with the weather, especially during winter season. LAX won't see snow just rain and sunshine with nice warm temperature. I don't know how many people want to be outside during blizzard, getting frostbite especially if windchill factor is bad where as LAX again sunshine, warm and hot weather but easily to avoid rain because you won't see rain for 4-5 months straight.

You do realize that the weather in NY is not one huge blizzard that starts in mid December and lasts through mid April, right? Yeah there are days when we have snow storms, but there are plenty of sunny days too. And we have these neat thins called coats which allow people to stand outside and not get cold.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: NYCAAer
Posted 2013-01-29 07:22:32 and read 5027 times.

Anyone notice the triangular red canopies over the artist renditions of the SkyDeck? A clever but subtle way of having Delta's widget in the design, I like that!

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: mayor
Posted 2013-01-29 08:20:19 and read 4567 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 59):
Amazing how people will find the negative in everything.

This is another option for Skyclub members and guests, if you don't like it, don't use it.

Exactly......I don't believe DL is going to herd a bunch of people outside, no matter what the weather is, no matter if they want to go or not.  


It's not like the pax aren't capable of making a choice.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: cschleic
Posted 2013-01-29 08:39:27 and read 4475 times.

ANY kind of outdoor observation deck is a big plus these days. And the JFK T-4 one might have good views of other international gates/planes. Anyone know which side of the building it'll face? Couldn't tell from the drawing.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: jetlanta
Posted 2013-01-29 09:43:38 and read 4346 times.

Quoting aircanada014 (Reply 56):
I think it has to do with the weather, especially during winter season. LAX won't see snow just rain and sunshine with nice warm temperature. I don't know how many people want to be outside during blizzard, getting frostbite especially if windchill factor is bad where as LAX again sunshine, warm and hot weather but easily to avoid rain because you won't see rain for 4-5 months straight.

It's not a question of JFK or LAX! Sure a SkyDeck at LAX would be great too, but thats not the issue. Just because you can't spend EVERY day on the SkyDeck at JFK, doesn't mean you can't spend ANY. For goodness sake the Empire State Building Observation Deck has an outdoor area. Same with Rockefeller Center. There are hundreds of beaches in the metro NYC area. Central Park doesn't have a roof over it.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: rwy04lga
Posted 2013-01-29 15:26:04 and read 4041 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 59):
I like going to a Skyclub grabbing a drink and a snack and watching the airport operations out the window (in the clubs that have windows). I'd definetely go outside if possible.

The SkyClub in terminal C at LGA has great views of ramp operations.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: gaystudpilot
Posted 2013-01-29 15:39:55 and read 4013 times.

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 64):
There are hundreds of beaches in the metro NYC area.

Like Sandy Hook... now that's an idea for the new Sky Beach!

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: CalebWilliams
Posted 2013-01-29 16:06:22 and read 3979 times.

Quoting commavia (Reply 13):
(A SkyDeck probably wouldn't be exceedingly popular in...nor Minneapolis in February....)

With us locals on a balmy February day, we'd love being outside.  

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: airportugal310
Posted 2013-01-29 16:07:19 and read 3980 times.

So basically, what I see here, is we aren't allowed to disagree with some idea an airline comes up with?

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: SCQ83
Posted 2013-01-29 16:19:30 and read 3952 times.

Quoting CalebWilliams (Reply 67):

I even saw people in terraces in Boston on Sunday!... and it was about 35 Fahrenheit... yet after more than week permanently below 10-0 F. Also DL's SkyDeck has panels all over, so likely you will not get any front wind (and it will feel less chilly).

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 68):

I don't know what is the problem. As others have stated, if you don't like it, nobody is going to force you to go there. I might not use swings for kids but I don't have anything about a kid's playroom area in an airport.

On the other hand, I am sure if they have a trendy design... this is NY after all (and anything that happens in NY is front news)... so they will get some piece of news in the NYT, WSJ, FT, Wired, Wallpaper... about how "trendy" and "fresh" the new Delta's JFK new SkyDeck is... or whether it is a place to go this summer in NYC... basically free and good advertisement and brand positioning for DL.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: questions
Posted 2013-01-29 17:05:45 and read 3870 times.

At JFK, this could help DL (slightly) close the gap with Virgin's Clubhouse... although it would be nice to utilize the Clubhouse as the business class lounge for DL and VS.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: jetlanta
Posted 2013-01-29 21:12:02 and read 3658 times.

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 68):
So basically, what I see here, is we aren't allowed to disagree with some idea an airline comes up with?

What could any person who cares enough about airliners to be posting on Airliners.net possibly disagree with???

If you don't want to go out on it, don't. That will save a seat for me.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: cokepopper
Posted 2013-01-30 05:50:02 and read 3456 times.

Great article in the NY Post today..

ALL "decked" out at JFK Airline's outdoor Jet-view space


http://www.nypost.com/Page/Uuid/797fdc62-6aab-11e2-952d-941d3a50377e

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: tommy767
Posted 2013-01-30 07:55:14 and read 3320 times.

Quoting cloudboy (Reply 60):
ou do realize that the weather in NY is not one huge blizzard that starts in mid December and lasts through mid April, right? Yeah there are days when we have snow storms, but there are plenty of sunny days too. And we have these neat thins called coats which allow people to stand outside and not get cold.

Honestly, I realize DL has a major hard on for NYC but I do hope they plan on rain-proofing the deck furniture. Whether you agree or not, NYC gets a lot of rain. The skydeck would be more appropriate at stations where there isn't nearly as much rain accumulation: LAX, SFO, PHX, LAS, etc. It's a great idea hope it expands. Next up, "skytub" -- Delta starts to install hottubs on the decks.

Either way, this will be great. Beats the hell out of the EWR "SkyCloset"

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: mayor
Posted 2013-01-30 08:05:50 and read 3293 times.

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 68):
So basically, what I see here, is we aren't allowed to disagree with some idea an airline comes up with?

Nobody is saying that. But, this IS a discussion forum, so if you state something, be prepared to get opposing views.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: jfklganyc
Posted 2013-01-30 08:25:25 and read 3256 times.

What a great story in the Post. Good publicity

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: max999
Posted 2013-01-30 08:27:45 and read 3253 times.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 73):
Honestly, I realize DL has a major hard on for NYC but I do hope they plan on rain-proofing the deck furniture. Whether you agree or not, NYC gets a lot of rain. The skydeck would be more appropriate at stations where there isn't nearly as much rain accumulation: LAX, SFO, PHX, LAS, etc. It's a great idea hope it expands. Next up, "skytub" -- Delta starts to install hottubs on the decks.

Those who keep harping on about the 'bad' weather in New York need to get a grip.

None of what Delta is building is anything new except that it's at an airport. Spaces such as rooftop bars/clubs and backyard patios are very common. They cope with all kinds of weather with outdoor furniture. And since all of this is common, Delta will just hire people who are experts in maintaining outdoor spaces so it won't turn into a tub. Visitors will also be smart enough to stay indoors when it rains so you aren't going to have a bunch of soaking wet passengers boarding the flights.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: tommy767
Posted 2013-01-30 08:50:16 and read 3205 times.

Quoting max999 (Reply 76):
Those who keep harping on about the 'bad' weather in New York need to get a grip.

New York has terrible weather. Hopefully DL can keep up with it on the roof.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: delimit
Posted 2013-01-30 09:25:13 and read 3153 times.

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 71):
What could any person who cares enough about airliners to be posting on Airliners.net possibly disagree with???

Are we still posting on Anet? The site where people regularly bemoan the loss of observation decks? And.people are critical?

As for NYC weather, it's in the 50s right now. If I were flying and this was available, guess where I'd be.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: T5towbar
Posted 2013-01-30 09:49:54 and read 3104 times.

I think this is a cool idea. It's outside the box thinking, but before 9/11 people could see the planes and all of the activity on the ramp. A lot of people plane spot, so many would enjoy this. I pretty sure that they would locate these clubs away from jetblast and running APU's, or smoky areas. Otherwise you get the feeling of the "real" ramp with all of the noise and the smells. The running APU; the fully cranked up air starts; the smell of jet fuel; the stink of the lav trucks wafting in the air; watching bags fall from carts; customs with drug sniffing dogs around the cargo; you get to see it all. Some people will be fascinated with all of this, but you get the real airport experience that you can only see outside a window waiting for your flight.

All kidding aside though, I think that this could work and it sounds cool. The right location of the club is key.

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: toobz
Posted 2013-01-30 12:19:03 and read 2968 times.

Nobody is forcing anyone to go out in crappy weather. The sky club is still indoors. This is an option for many that would like a little fresh air...with jet fuel lol. I for one would be more than excited about this if I were a paying customer. It's more options. That's all. And as far as the weather..c'mon guys. Delta isn't stupid and the design I'm sure isn't going to be stupid. I'm positive DL has this covered, ever been to a resort with pools? Staff wipes down the loungers. Just like the staff indoor that go around cleaning tables at the sky club. This is a benefit to the HVCs like has been said. Enough said!

Topic: RE: Delta Opens SkyDeck In ATL And JFK
Username: gaystudpilot
Posted 2013-01-30 23:30:33 and read 2731 times.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 73):
Next up, "skytub" -- Delta starts to install hottubs on the decks.

Bring on the foam parties!!


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