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Topic: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: selmer40
Posted 2013-01-29 06:48:40 and read 28533 times.

On 24 Jan 13 Delta bought the 767-3Y0(ER) N764RD that last flew for Ryan Intl. All the other Delta 763s have over wing exits. This one does not. It has eight doors like the 764s. Time will tell if this a parts plane or a flying plane.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: BlueLine
Posted 2013-01-29 06:56:14 and read 28411 times.

Maybe use it for charters? I don't know about DL's fleet utilization, but I know they do a lot of charters for sports teams. I think they could use this ship for charters and keep a 763 in scheduled pax ops that would be used on a charter flight. Could they be taking a cue from UA with their United Charters 744 that Atlas returned to them last year?

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2013-01-29 07:02:17 and read 28313 times.

1992 delivery (20 years old)
Been in storage since December 2011
different configuration than any other aircraft in the fleet
at least 9 previous operators

This looks most likely to be a parts plane.

Quoting BlueLine (Reply 1):
Maybe use it for charters? I don't know about DL's fleet utilization, but I know they do a lot of charters for sports teams. I think they could use this ship for charters and keep a 763 in scheduled pax ops that would be used on a charter flight.

There is plenty of slack in the current 767-300ER fleet.

They would not keep on specifically for charters.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: catiii
Posted 2013-01-29 07:42:56 and read 27816 times.

Quoting selmer40 (Thread starter):
All the other Delta 763s have over wing exits. This one does not.

Including the ex-Gulf Air 763's?

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: sxf24
Posted 2013-01-29 07:53:09 and read 27692 times.

Guaranteed this is a parts plane. If DL wanted another aircraft to operate, there are much better options on the market.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: 1337Delta764
Posted 2013-01-29 08:00:11 and read 27577 times.

Quoting catiii (Reply 3):

Including the ex-Gulf Air 763's?

The ex-Gulf Air aircraft have a single pair of overwing exits and three pairs of doors. This one has four pairs of doors and no overwing exits.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-01-29 09:57:15 and read 24500 times.

The door immediately behind the wing on either side is not a full size door, nor does it operate like the full size doors (ie it doesn't go up into the ceiling). It's just a bigger overwing exit--not over the wing.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: B727FA
Posted 2013-01-29 10:13:52 and read 23996 times.

Not exactly. It's a hatch that falls down on a lower sill hinge but stays attached to the a/c. It's the same as the hatch on the 757.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-01-29 11:24:39 and read 22148 times.

Quoting B727FA (Reply 8):
Not exactly. It's a hatch that falls down on a lower sill hinge but stays attached to the a/c. It's the same as the hatch on the 757.

And the 737NG except they hinge up. I guess we can agree its an exit not a door.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: Roseflyer
Posted 2013-01-29 11:30:49 and read 21956 times.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 9):
Quoting B727FA (Reply 8):
Not exactly. It's a hatch that falls down on a lower sill hinge but stays attached to the a/c. It's the same as the hatch on the 757.

And the 737NG except they hinge up. I guess we can agree its an exit not a door.

It's the same as the 737-900ER mid cabin door. It's not the same mechanism as the overwing exit and it is larger.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: B727FA
Posted 2013-01-29 11:46:35 and read 21545 times.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 9):
And the 737NG except they hinge up. I guess we can agree its an exit not a door.

Except that it's not an OWE. And it doesn't "spring."

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: na
Posted 2013-01-29 12:42:46 and read 20352 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):

1992 delivery (20 years old)
Been in storage since December 2011
different configuration than any other aircraft in the fleet
at least 9 previous operators

This looks most likely to be a parts plane.

Anything else would be very strange. Buying a 20 year old 767 and operating it is third-world level.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: catiii
Posted 2013-01-29 12:47:40 and read 20247 times.

Quoting na (Reply 12):
Anything else would be very strange. Buying a 20 year old 767 and operating it is third-world level.

What an utterly ridiculous and uninformed statement. The entire Delta fleet strategy is based upon a mix of pre-owned aircraft with low opportunity costs, and newer proven airframes. A low cycle 763 is entirely within that strategy.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: B757forever
Posted 2013-01-29 13:03:41 and read 19887 times.

This is a parts aircraft. Engines, landing gear, flight controls and specific LRUs will be harvested. The rest will go to the fiery furnace!  

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: dbo861
Posted 2013-01-29 13:10:35 and read 19691 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):

1992 delivery (20 years old)
Been in storage since December 2011
different configuration than any other aircraft in the fleet
at least 9 previous operators

It was 19 years old when it went into storage and was most recently with a charter carrier, do we know much about it life before Ryan? 19 is young still for a 767, and especially if it was with charter carriers, it probably has low utilization. I'm curious if the price was right and this is intended to replace an older, more utilized DL 763ER at the end of its life. How big of a deal is it that is has a different door configuration, especially if they're able to fit the same number of seats as the rest of their 763ERs? It still has pretty good commonality with the rest of DL's 763 fleet.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: catiii
Posted 2013-01-29 13:11:15 and read 19686 times.

Quoting B757forever (Reply 14):
This is a parts aircraft. Engines, landing gear, flight controls and specific LRUs will be harvested. The rest will go to the fiery furnace!

And you're right. But others who say that a 20-year old airplane is a third world level move, simply don't understand Delta at all.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: DTWPurserBoy
Posted 2013-01-29 13:17:05 and read 19535 times.

I have seen Ryan aircraft at DL's ATL maintenance facility on many occasions. Probably had the contract to maintain them so they would be well aware of exactly what condition the aircraft is in. Plus DL has several 76's in temp storage in the desert they can pul out at any time.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2013-01-29 13:17:15 and read 19540 times.

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 15):
do we know much about it life before Ryan?

Easy enough to see:

http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b767-26204.htm

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: Aerowrench
Posted 2013-01-29 13:21:23 and read 19447 times.

Is there a 767 fleet coordinator from Delta on here? If not, I would think it safe to assume the aircraft will be placed into revenue service. A different door/exit config hasn't yet stopped Delta:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Delta...d=21d349da90068b8956c8d86dca772c9f

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: mcg
Posted 2013-01-29 13:21:29 and read 19443 times.

How much did DL pay for this airplane?

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: Polot
Posted 2013-01-29 13:25:03 and read 19359 times.

Quoting catiii (Reply 16):
And you're right. But others who say that a 20-year old airplane is a third world level move, simply don't understand Delta at all.

How many 20 year old planes has DL bought and put into service?

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: 1337Delta764
Posted 2013-01-29 13:26:46 and read 19320 times.

Quoting Aerowrench (Reply 19):
Is there a 767 fleet coordinator from Delta on here? If not, I would think it safe to assume the aircraft will be placed into revenue service. A different door/exit config hasn't yet stopped Delta:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Delta...72c9f

Operating only one aircraft with this oddball exit layout doesn't make any economic sense. DL has seven aircraft with the exit layout you posted (6 ex-Gulf Air and one ex-Asiana), and that subfleet seems large enough to be economically feasible.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: Aerowrench
Posted 2013-01-29 13:30:25 and read 19211 times.

Quoting Polot (Reply 21):

How many 20 year old planes has DL bought and put into service?

I think airlines look at total time and total cycles before they look at the year of original delivery. Aluminum fatigue is a function of pressurization cycles, not age.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 22):

Operating only one aircraft with this oddball exit layout doesn't make any economic sense. DL has seven aircraft with the exit layout you posted (6 ex-Gulf Air and one ex-Asiana), and that subfleet seems large enough to be economically feasible.

I'm pretty well certain that six of the eight doors installed on the aircraft are identical in nature to the doors on the remainder of Delta's 767 fleet. Even if for some very strange reason Boeing went with a different door design for this particular airplane, I don't think the economics would make much of a difference when compared to what the company has determined to be cost effective. On that note, I'm pretty sure that Delta Airlines knows a thing or two about aircraft acquisition.

[Edited 2013-01-29 13:37:15]

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: Polot
Posted 2013-01-29 13:38:03 and read 19044 times.

Quoting Aerowrench (Reply 23):
I think airlines look at total time and total cycles before they look at the year of original delivery. Aluminum fatigue is a function of pressurization cycles, not age.

I'll amend my previous statement. How many used widebodies has DL bought and put into service in the past...lets say 5 years?

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: Aerowrench
Posted 2013-01-29 13:43:57 and read 19341 times.

Quoting Polot (Reply 24):
I'll amend my previous statement. How many used widebodies has DL bought and put into service in the past...lets say 5 years?

You could argue quite a few when considering all the widebody aircraft that came along with the purchase of Northwest Airlines.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: rlwynn
Posted 2013-01-29 13:44:29 and read 19662 times.

Quoting Polot (Reply 24):
I'll amend my previous statement. How many used widebodies has DL bought and put into service in the past...lets say 5 years?

How many did they get when they bought all of the NW widebodies?

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: Polot
Posted 2013-01-29 13:49:48 and read 19884 times.

Quoting Aerowrench (Reply 25):
You could argue quite a few when considering all the widebody aircraft that came along with the purchase of Northwest Airlines.
Quoting rlwynn (Reply 26):
How many did they get when they bought all of the NW widebodies?

That is a completely different scenario (and only falls within the past 5 years by 4 months  Silly), you guys know what I mean. That said every widebody that DL got from NW was delivered new to NW.

[Edited 2013-01-29 13:51:33]

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: Aerowrench
Posted 2013-01-29 14:00:03 and read 19973 times.

Quoting Polot (Reply 27):
That is a completely different scenario (and only falls within the past 5 years by 4 months Silly), you guys know what I mean. That said every widebody that DL got from NW was delivered new to NW.

I really haven't got the slightest clue if they are flying any used widebodies. What I can speculate on however, is that the company may be following the same strategy they have for acquiring narrow body aircraft.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: deltairlines
Posted 2013-01-29 14:10:04 and read 19755 times.

Quoting Aerowrench (Reply 28):
I really haven't got the slightest clue if they are flying any used widebodies. What I can speculate on however, is that the company may be following the same strategy they have for acquiring narrow body aircraft.

Only used widebodies in the fleet that are used to my knowledge are the 7 76G aircraft (the 6 ex-Gulf and the 1 ex-Asiana).

All 767-400s and 777s were delivered new to Delta; all A330s and 747-400s were delivered new to Northwest and I believe the rest of the 767-300 fleet are -332/-332ERs that would have all been delivered new to Delta.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: Polot
Posted 2013-01-29 14:12:53 and read 19691 times.

Quoting deltairlines (Reply 29):
Only used widebodies in the fleet that are used to my knowledge are the 7 76G aircraft (the 6 ex-Gulf and the 1 ex-Asiana).

All of which DL obtained 15 years ago ('97-'98) and were only 3 to 7 years old at the time of their purchase.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: Spacepope
Posted 2013-01-29 14:56:02 and read 18850 times.

Quoting Polot (Reply 30):
All of which DL obtained 15 years ago ('97-'98) and were only 3 to 7 years old at the time of their purchase.

True, but market conditions have changed in the past 5 years substantially. I could see this as quick and cheap fleet augmentation like when NW got their DC-10-30 fleet, all of which were used (and some a bit older than 3-7 years too).

[Edited 2013-01-29 14:56:22]

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: Polot
Posted 2013-01-29 15:08:28 and read 18568 times.

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 31):
True, but market conditions have changed in the past 5 years substantially. I could see this as quick and cheap fleet augmentation like when NW got their DC-10-30 fleet, all of which were used (and some a bit older than 3-7 years too).

Does DL really need to augment their 763ER fleet though? I have seen nothing that suggests that the current fleet is stretched thin or that they are about to undergo a huge international expansion, and they already frequently park 767s during the slower winter season.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2013-01-29 15:08:30 and read 18576 times.

However, DL does not have an immediate need to augment their international widebody fleet.
They have plenty of 767-300ERs and capacity in the current fleet.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: 1337Delta764
Posted 2013-01-29 15:11:35 and read 18592 times.

Quoting Polot (Reply 32):
Does DL really need to augment their 763ER fleet though? I have seen nothing that suggests that the current fleet is stretched thin or that they are about to undergo a huge international expansion, and they already frequently park 767s during the slower winter season.

I would agree. However, if UA were to retire their 764ERs, DL would surely pick them up in a flash.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: Polot
Posted 2013-01-29 15:15:46 and read 18483 times.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 34):
I would agree. However, if UA were to retire their 764ERs, DL would surely pick them up in a flash.

True, but I think we both know the chances of that happening anytime soon.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: akelley728
Posted 2013-01-29 15:21:54 and read 18547 times.

Quoting Polot (Reply 21):
How many 20 year old planes has DL bought and put into service?

Not quite 20 years old but in 2010 Delta aquired the then 17 year-old N624AG (757-2Q8). The Delta TOC refurbished it into a 75E configuration and finally went into service in 2012. It now flies as Delta ship 6818.

DL Signs LOI For An Additional B757-200 (by airbuske Oct 18 2010 in Civil Aviation)
Whatever Happened To N624AG For DL? (by 1337Delta764 Dec 23 2011 in Civil Aviation)
N624AG (DL Ship 6818) Arrives In ATL (by B757forever Mar 7 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-01-29 15:40:07 and read 18165 times.

Quoting na (Reply 12):
Buying a 20 year old 767 and operating it is third-world level.

NW acquired many used DC-10-30s in the 1990s and operated them very reliably for another 10 to 12 years. Two ex-KLM aircraft were 23 years old when they went into service with NW.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: Capt.Fantastic
Posted 2013-01-29 15:45:56 and read 18153 times.

Delta will begin operating 767s on JFK-LAX: Which of Delta's 767s will be used on this route and how will they be configured? Could this aircraft have been obtained for transcon operations? Jun 24 (per the OAG) 4 of the 7 flights are designated "767": The other three are 757-200

[Edited 2013-01-29 15:53:19]

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: gdg9
Posted 2013-01-29 15:58:55 and read 17799 times.

Quoting mcg (Reply 20):
How much did DL pay for this airplane?

I'd be curious at that figure as well.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: Spacepope
Posted 2013-01-29 17:22:49 and read 16597 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 37):
NW acquired many used DC-10-30s in the 1990s and operated them very reliably for another 10 to 12 years. Two ex-KLM aircraft were 23 years old when they went into service with NW.

Bingo, like I alluded to in reply 31.

Delta puts several hundred hours on its 763 fleet every day. Some of the older 763s must be getting up there in hours.



Quoting Capt.Fantastic (Reply 38):
Delta will begin operating 767s on JFK-LAX: Which of Delta's 767s will be used on this route and how will they be configured?

That route is always said to be the one that celebrities love to take. They are premium pax and usually travel first class. Now that AA is going to narrowbody on the route, I'd say DL is positioning itself to steal those high rollers by offering true widebody FC.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: jbmitt
Posted 2013-01-29 17:30:43 and read 16425 times.

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 40):
Delta puts several hundred hours on its 763 fleet every day.

With 94 767's in the fleet.. I'd be willing to bet that they exceed several hundred hours and are into the the 1000s of hours depending on flights and utilization.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: B757forever
Posted 2013-01-29 17:39:21 and read 16345 times.

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 40):
Some of the older 763s must be getting up there in hours.

Indeed. Ship 171, the first 767-332ER delivered to DL is approaching 23 years in service and has logged over 100,000 hours and around 14,000 cycles and is still in very good condition.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: Spacepope
Posted 2013-01-29 17:55:30 and read 16036 times.

Quoting B757forever (Reply 42):
Indeed. Ship 171, the first 767-332ER delivered to DL is approaching 23 years in service and has logged over 100,000 hours and around 14,000 cycles and is still in very good condition.

As of 11/12/2012 she had 104,263 hours and 15,227 cycles. Wow.

That being said, if N764RD got the same TLC from Delta during her time at Ryan as N171DN, she's got plenty of life still in her.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: NorthstarBoy
Posted 2013-01-29 18:29:49 and read 15261 times.

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 40):
That route is always said to be the one that celebrities love to take. They are premium pax and usually travel first class. Now that AA is going to narrowbody on the route, I'd say DL is positioning itself to steal those high rollers by offering true widebody FC.

Except that DL does not have a dedicated First, only Business and Coach. From what I understand, AA will be operating a subfleet of 3 class A321s on the Lax-Jfk/Sfo-Jfk vice versa runs much the way UA operates a subfleet of 3 class 757s on their premium transcon service. From what i've read on these boards, the hollywood contracts specifically require 3 class aircraft with dedicated first class cabins. That being said, it will be interesting to see if DL develops a market specific First Class cabin in order to take advantage of those hollywood contracts, and, I agree, being able to advertise 3 class widebody service at a time when AA will be downsizing their transcon aircraft from 762s to A321s would be a good tool to convince the studios to switch their business away from AA and UA and towards Delta.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: Spacepope
Posted 2013-01-29 19:12:31 and read 14440 times.

BTW for the record, though it was parked in 12/2011, the last record I can find is from January of that year. 59,809 hours for N764RD, 13,727 cycles.

Lots of "short" hops.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: gatechae
Posted 2013-01-29 22:16:44 and read 11947 times.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 21):
Operating only one aircraft with this oddball exit layout doesn't make any economic sense. DL has seven aircraft with the exit layout you posted (6 ex-Gulf Air and one ex-Asiana), and that subfleet seems large enough to be economically feasible

Just out of curiosity, how would operating one aircraft with a different interior layout affect DL economically?

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: rwy04lga
Posted 2013-01-29 22:27:56 and read 11834 times.

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 43):
Except that DL does not have a dedicated First

Delta has first class in the US, Business elite internationally.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2013-01-29 23:51:07 and read 11180 times.

Quoting Aerowrench (Reply 18):
Is there a 767 fleet coordinator from Delta on here? If not, I would think it safe to assume the aircraft will be placed into revenue service. A different door/exit config hasn't yet stopped Delta:

Its a part out airplane. Delta has more international aircraft than they know what to do with as it is.

Quoting Aerowrench (Reply 22):

I'm pretty well certain that six of the eight doors installed on the aircraft are identical in nature to the doors on the remainder of Delta's 767 fleet. Even if for some very strange reason Boeing went with a different door design for this particular airplane, I don't think the economics would make much of a difference when compared to what the company has determined to be cost effective. On that note, I'm pretty sure that Delta Airlines knows a thing or two about aircraft acquisition.

uhh...ok. This 67 has only doors. The 767-332ERs have two over wing exits, the Gulf air birds have one over wing exit.

Again, this is a bird for parts. Get use to it, because its going to keep happening. (already have a hand full of M80s from SAS for parts, The GOL 762 and 763 and it sounds like at least 1 Lion Air M90 will be used for parts.)

Quoting deltairlines (Reply 28):

you are right.

Quoting Aerowrench (Reply 27):
I really haven't got the slightest clue if they are flying any used widebodies. What I can speculate on however, is that the company may be following the same strategy they have for acquiring narrow body aircraft.

They aren't. And Delta isn't adding 20 year old aircraft. (minus 6818)
The M90s are half the age of this airplane.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 33):
I would agree. However, if UA were to retire their 764ERs, DL would surely pick them up in a flash.

You hope.
At this point, not likely. Delta has more international airplanes than they can find routes for. They are cutting Europe capacity....which is about the only useful place a 764 can fly for Delta. (and it is only going to get worse once all the lie-flat mods are done)

Quoting Capt.Fantastic (Reply 37):
Delta will begin operating 767s on JFK-LAX: Which of Delta's 767s will be used on this route and how will they be configured? Could this aircraft have been obtained for transcon operations? Jun 24 (per the OAG) 4 of the 7 flights are designated "767": The other three are 757-200

Delta will use 767s in fleet for this. 76Z config. This aircraft is for parts.

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 39):

That route is always said to be the one that celebrities love to take. They are premium pax and usually travel first class. Now that AA is going to narrowbody on the route, I'd say DL is positioning itself to steal those high rollers by offering true widebody FC.

Delta isn't adding first to T-cons. JFK-LAX/SFO/SEA will see flat-bed BusinessElite 767/757s that are already in the fleet.

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 42):
That being said, if N764RD got the same TLC from Delta during her time at Ryan as N171DN, she's got plenty of life still in her.

but that isn't going to happen. This 767, the 767s from GOL and the M80s from SAS are for parts.

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 46):
Delta has first class in the US, Business elite internationally.

not on NYC-tcons, Its BusinessElite.  

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: cslusarc
Posted 2013-01-30 00:14:24 and read 10903 times.

Given that DL has bought this ex-RD aircraft, do you think that it would be a good idea if DL bought from IFLC the Airbus A330 (MSN 343 - N772RD) that RD also operated? I think that DL would love to have this PW-powered 332 that was first delivered to SR because DL would benefit a larger fleet of 330s.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: lufbra
Posted 2013-01-30 03:37:17 and read 9415 times.

isn't this the G-configuration? Delta purchased old Gulf Air aircrafts long time ago and they, also, don't have overwing exits.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: panamair
Posted 2013-01-30 04:21:52 and read 8962 times.

Quoting lufbra (Reply 49):
Delta purchased old Gulf Air aircrafts long time ago and they, also, don't have overwing exits.

No, the 76G has one overwing exit.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2013-01-30 05:42:07 and read 8054 times.

Quoting cslusarc (Reply 48):
Given that DL has bought this ex-RD aircraft, do you think that it would be a good idea if DL bought from IFLC the Airbus A330 (MSN 343 - N772RD) that RD also operated? I think that DL would love to have this PW-powered 332 that was first delivered to SR because DL would benefit a larger fleet of 330s.

Not sure why would want it. Again, right now Delta has more international airplanes than they know what to do with.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2013-01-30 06:03:15 and read 7790 times.

They do not need more international aircraft at the time.

Plus, that A330-200 is significantly older than any of the rest of the A330s in DL's fleet. It is also not like likely an "Enhanced" version like all of the DL A330s.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: Aerowrench
Posted 2013-01-30 06:09:55 and read 7755 times.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 47):
Its a part out airplane. Delta has more international aircraft than they know what to do with as it is.

So you're a 767 fleet coordinator at Delta?

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 47):

uhh...ok. This 67 has only doors. The 767-332ERs have two over wing exits, the Gulf air birds have one over wing exit.

I am well aware of the over-wing exits. What is your point here?

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 47):

Again, this is a bird for parts. Get use to it, because its going to keep happening. (already have a hand full of M80s from SAS for parts, The GOL 762 and 763 and it sounds like at least 1 Lion Air M90 will be used for parts.)

I'm not going to argue this, I will just find out when I get to work on Saturday.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: CODC10
Posted 2013-01-30 06:55:04 and read 7164 times.

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 43):
the hollywood contracts specifically require 3 class aircraft with dedicated first class cabins.

SAG used to, but this requirement is no longer in force. AA is banking on the fact that there are still enough travelers in the market who demand a 3 cabin first class product. Given United's impending removal of F from their p.s. fleet, AA is probably right, since any such market would be theirs alone.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: Spacepope
Posted 2013-01-30 07:23:58 and read 7090 times.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 47):
Again, this is a bird for parts. Get use to it, because its going to keep happening. (already have a hand full of M80s from SAS for parts, The GOL 762 and 763 and it sounds like at least 1 Lion Air M90 will be used for parts.)

Sorta tangental: the MD-90 that flew out to Blytheville last week: is that a parts bird for DL? It was registered to the ferry company (Southern Cross), was that the ex-Lionair example?

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: cornutt
Posted 2013-01-30 09:45:28 and read 6726 times.

Quoting Polot (Reply 20):
How many 20 year old planes has DL bought and put into service?

Well, once upon a time there were those L1011's that they took home from the Eastern yard sale... those weren't quite 20 years old, but some of them were pretty close.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: akelley728
Posted 2013-01-30 12:25:15 and read 6439 times.

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 55):
Sorta tangental: the MD-90 that flew out to Blytheville last week: is that a parts bird for DL? It was registered to the ferry company (Southern Cross), was that the ex-Lionair example?

Yes, it's an ex-Lionair ship (N459BC / former PK-LIK). It hasn't been confirmed that this will be a parts bird, but if it went to Blytheville (where the ex-SAS MD-80s are being parted out), then there's a very good chance it's going to be parted out.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: NWAROOSTER
Posted 2013-01-30 14:01:48 and read 6207 times.

Quoting cornutt (Reply 56):

Quoting Polot (Reply 20):
How many 20 year old planes has DL bought and put into service?

Well, once upon a time there were those L1011's that they took home from the Eastern yard sale... those weren't quite 20 years old, but some of them were pretty close.

I like your comment on this childish tirade.   

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 47):
Its a part out airplane. Delta has more international aircraft than they know what to do with as it is.

Here we go again..........   

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: deltabobo
Posted 2013-01-30 19:36:08 and read 5752 times.

Think about it from a cost-to-benefit standpoint. N764RD was a metric aircraft, DL aircraft are based in pounds. Plus, I'm sure DL is wanting those PW4060's for their other birds...

Plus, the way Ryan maintained their fleet, I highly doubt that DL will be spending a huge amount on interior upgrades, avionics upgrades, etc. (though the aircraft had SATCOM...I would know, I dispatched it for 2 years when it entered the fleet in 2009 till it was parked in 2011).

Plus, here is a big issue also...Ryan International is going through bankruptcy. If you know how bankruptcy works, you'll get my drift.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2013-01-30 19:44:45 and read 5705 times.

Quoting Aerowrench (Reply 53):
I am well aware of the over-wing exits. What is your point here?

That they aren't going to add an airplane that will have to have its own sub-fleet.

Quoting Aerowrench (Reply 53):
So you're a 767 fleet coordinator at Delta?

Nah just not stupid enough to think that the company is going to add another 767 when 1) they have one parked at VCV that has been there for years and they have zero need for it. 2) they already have two more 767s from GOL that are also sitting in the in the sun out west.

Quoting Aerowrench (Reply 53):
I'm not going to argue this, I will just find out when I get to work on Saturday.

Good for you. lol.

but if your going to do that then I hope its because your a fleet coordinator.  

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: rwy04lga
Posted 2013-01-30 19:44:51 and read 5687 times.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 47):
Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 46):
Delta has first class in the US, Business elite internationally.

not on NYC-tcons, Its BusinessElite.

Yeah, yeah. I know. Didn't want to bother editing post. 'Settling in, not just settling' I see the banner every day. How does BE on the 76 compare to FC on OAL?

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: audidudi
Posted 2013-02-01 04:48:29 and read 4797 times.

Does anyone know of the exact whereabouts of N764RD at the present time?

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: na
Posted 2013-02-01 05:06:00 and read 4766 times.

Quoting catiii (Reply 12):
What an utterly ridiculous and uninformed statement. The entire Delta fleet strategy is based upon a mix of pre-owned aircraft with low opportunity costs, and newer proven airframes. A low cycle 763 is entirely within that strategy.

I know Delta operates many old planes and well kept there is little to say against it. But they dont buy THAT old metal that on top has seen many operators. That plane also is not low-cycled, so please dont call my statement ridiculous. Its third-world level to buy AND operate a flown-out 20 year old 767, (almost) no reputable airline does that. Denying that is ridiculous.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: GCT64
Posted 2013-02-01 05:13:06 and read 4747 times.

Quoting audidudi (Reply 62):
Does anyone know of the exact whereabouts of N764RD at the present time?

It's at MZJ I believe. Arrived there on 10 Dec 11 from RFD.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: catiii
Posted 2013-02-01 09:24:10 and read 4445 times.

Quoting na (Reply 63):
I know Delta operates many old planes and well kept there is little to say against it. But they dont buy THAT old metal that on top has seen many operators. That plane also is not low-cycled, so please dont call my statement ridiculous. Its third-world level to buy AND operate a flown-out 20 year old 767, (almost) no reputable airline does that. Denying that is ridiculous.

This is a different point altogether. You made the blanket generalization posted below which, I maintain, is a ridiculous statement.

Quoting na (Reply 11):
Buying a 20 year old 767 and operating it is third-world level.

Depending on the cycles, time, etc of the airplane the age does not matter.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: cokepopper
Posted 2013-02-01 12:41:13 and read 4210 times.

I believe Delta is up to 21 Used MD-80's for parts. At least according to the recent earnings
call Q&A

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: SkyTeamTriStar
Posted 2013-02-01 15:16:53 and read 3940 times.

RA has said this week on his phone call message that the company will be acquiring several MD-80-series birds for spare parts. There are about 5-6 already on property. If not more.....

The same thing goes regarding this specific 767.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: SkyTeamTriStar
Posted 2013-02-01 15:19:27 and read 3900 times.

Quoting SkyTeamTriStar (Reply 67):
There are about 5-6 already on property. If not more.....
Quoting cokepopper (Reply 66):
I believe Delta is up to 21 Used MD-80's for parts. At least according to the recent earnings
call Q&A

Thanks for an update. I stand corrected.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: B757forever
Posted 2013-02-01 15:58:53 and read 3794 times.

I believe the MD80 acquisition from SAS will total 23 airframes.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: dtw9
Posted 2013-02-01 16:23:22 and read 3740 times.

Quoting B757forever (Reply 69):
I believe the MD80 acquisition from SAS will total 23 airframes.

You're correct and per the latest conference call all 23 are now locked in. The thing I wonder about is, has Delta now purchased the MD-90's from SAS. Remember the original agreement was for a five year lease.

Topic: RE: Delta Buys 767 N764RD
Username: akelley728
Posted 2013-02-02 18:35:37 and read 3141 times.

This week's Airwaysmag.com Fleet Update shows the following:
767-3Y0 (ER) N764RD 26204/LN 464 BF GECAS 1/11/13 ex PR-VAD (parts plane)

http://www.airwaysmag.com/att.html?type=view&article_id=145&junk=.pdf


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