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Topic: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2013-01-28 05:39:34 and read 14464 times.

Here are some of the new or restarted routes that are scheduled to fly for Summer 2013. They can be found at delta.com and/or in the electronic timetable. Some have been previously announced, others are recent additions:

Please add any others that you find:

ATL-GRB daily EV CR7
MSN-SLC daily OO CR7
ATL-TVC Sat-only EV CR9
DTW-YVR Sat-only DL 738
JFK-YVR daily DL 738
SEA-HND daily DL 763ER (pending government approval)

Note, most of the routes appear to be seasonal (except for SEA-HND)

[Edited 2013-01-28 06:18:55]

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: toobz
Posted 2013-01-28 05:59:21 and read 14336 times.

So it looks like this will finally start! Very good for DL. Let's hope this works out better for them. I have a feeling it will. Much better feed ( thx to AS) and hopefully the times are a bit better as well. DL is really building up the Northwest!

[Edited 2013-01-28 06:02:54]

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: rivervisual
Posted 2013-01-28 06:08:54 and read 14249 times.

add ANC-ATL daily 757 seasonal service starts 21JUN

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: DeltaMD90
Posted 2013-01-28 07:36:27 and read 13906 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
ATL-TVC Sat-only EV CR9

This one always seems to pop up in the summer time

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2013-01-28 07:39:49 and read 13889 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
Note, most of the routes appear to be seasonal (except for SEA-HND)

I'm going to venture a guess that it will be seasonal as well, in its own way 

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2013-01-28 08:21:53 and read 13725 times.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 3):
This one always seems to pop up in the summer time

ATL-TVC has not operated post-merger, I believe 2008 was the last time it operated.

A good route for summer, and DL has mainline coming back on DTW-TVC, and MSP-TVC, plus CR7s on LGA-TVC this summer.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2013-01-28 08:27:24 and read 13677 times.

Don't forget ONT-ATL as discussed in another thread.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):
Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
Note, most of the routes appear to be seasonal (except for SEA-HND)

I'm going to venture a guess that it will be seasonal as well, in its own way

Hmmmm, and what exactly are you implying?  

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: AVLAirlineFreq
Posted 2013-01-28 09:15:34 and read 13497 times.

DL restarts ATL-BZN Sat-only on Jun 22 with a 738.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2013-01-28 09:26:06 and read 13425 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 6):

Hmmmm, and what exactly are you implying?

It's going to be as great as the last few attempts 

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: toobz
Posted 2013-01-28 09:34:07 and read 13363 times.

I'm maybe too optimistic. I believe SEA is really going to be the better gateway. It's the shortest distance DL has tried as of yet, AS feed and I believe the VFR factor has more potential due to SEA and the NW in general having a large Japanese population. *fingers crossed*

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: BDL757
Posted 2013-01-28 09:35:03 and read 13363 times.

While I don't have a source yet, I've been told to expect LGA-DSM to start this summer.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: WA707atMSP
Posted 2013-01-28 09:44:36 and read 13301 times.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 5):
A good route for summer, and DL has mainline coming back on DTW-TVC, and MSP-TVC, plus CR7s on LGA-TVC this summer.

At one time AA flew LGA-TVC in the summer, too. Does AA still fly the route, or is it DL only now?

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: mah4546
Posted 2013-01-28 09:48:50 and read 13262 times.

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 11):
At one time AA flew LGA-TVC in the summer, too. Does AA still fly the route, or is it DL only now?

AA still flies LGATVC during the summer.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: panamair
Posted 2013-01-28 09:55:26 and read 13202 times.

SEA-PVG (763ER) will also be NEW this coming summer.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: tommy767
Posted 2013-01-28 10:05:04 and read 13144 times.

EWR-CDG starts with a 763ER this summer as well.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: rwy04lga
Posted 2013-01-28 10:19:31 and read 13041 times.

Quoting BDL757 (Reply 10):
I've been told to expect LGA-DSM to start this summer.

Yep, saw it at a station briefing.

Anybody have insight to new/restarted international routes? Especially out of JFK?

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: blueman87
Posted 2013-01-28 15:10:34 and read 11420 times.

is Delta flight JFK-NCE coming back

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: MSNfan
Posted 2013-01-28 15:30:51 and read 11178 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
MSN-SLC daily OO CR7

Great news! It will be interesting to see how this route does considering MKE-SLC came and went a while back...

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: icelander
Posted 2013-01-28 15:50:25 and read 10955 times.

JFK-KEF is back again this summer. There is an increase in frequency compared to 2012.
Mon-Sat, Jun-Aug, 752

Mark.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: txkf2010
Posted 2013-01-28 18:27:56 and read 9719 times.

They are (re)starting LGA-BDA also. Northwest did it in 2009 with an A320.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: laca773
Posted 2013-01-28 18:32:22 and read 9656 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 6):
Don't forget ONT-ATL as discussed in another thread.

Will this be a daily 738/73H ?

Is JFK-BUD coming back seasonal?

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: MikeE07
Posted 2013-01-29 00:41:14 and read 7917 times.

No FLO    ...here's hoping something will come soon to replace when ASA left a while back. We have Piedmont now with five time daily service to CLT, but especially with the new terminal, I am ready to see some changes here!

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: uncgso
Posted 2013-01-29 00:43:35 and read 7913 times.

meh ... thought maybe GSO-MSP would return at some point

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: panamair
Posted 2013-01-29 01:00:54 and read 7840 times.

Quoting blueman87 (Reply 16):
is Delta flight JFK-NCE coming back

Yes, restarting March 30, 2013.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 20):
Is JFK-BUD coming back seasonal?

Unfortunately no

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 15):
Anybody have insight to new/restarted international routes? Especially out of JFK?

The only adds JFK will be getting are YVR and YQB (if you consider Canada international), an additional 3x weekly JFK-DUB (for a total of 10x weekly), and an increase of ACC to daily from 4-5x weekly. They are dropping VLC from JFK though.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: NWAESC
Posted 2013-01-29 01:07:14 and read 7815 times.

Quoting MSNfan (Reply 17):
Great news! It will be interesting to see how this route does considering MKE-SLC came and went a while back...

I suspect it will do quite well on the days that Epic employees come/go. On the others, I guess we'll see.

W/O looking, does SLC have a large last/late night bank? Otherwise, it wouldn't seem to connect to much?

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: JEKY
Posted 2013-01-29 01:27:41 and read 7991 times.

What about ATL-VCE? Is it re-starting? What a/c? Last summer season It was a 763, while JFK-VCE became a 764.
Any chance to see a 333 instead of their Boeing?

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: panamair
Posted 2013-01-29 04:00:14 and read 7501 times.

Quoting JEKY (Reply 25):
What about ATL-VCE? Is it re-starting? What a/c? Last summer season It was a 763,

ATL-VCE is restarting June 1; will still be a 763.

Quoting JEKY (Reply 25):
while JFK-VCE became a 764.

Any chance to see a 333 instead of their Boeing?

JFK-VCE will continue to be a 764 during summer peak. Until the A333s are reconfigured, the 764 offers a better Business Class product anyway (flat-beds)

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: LuftyMatt
Posted 2013-01-29 04:10:17 and read 7627 times.

Any news as to JFK-MAN restarting?

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2013-01-29 05:28:55 and read 7241 times.

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 24):
W/O looking, does SLC have a large last/late night bank? Otherwise, it wouldn't seem to connect to much?

Yes. The new MSN-SLC flight connects very well to the last departure bank of the evening in SLC for flights departing in the 9-10pm. Allows for good connections to places like LAX, SAN, ONT, SJC, SFO, PDX, SEA, SMF, RNO, GEG, and many of the smaller SLC-exclusive outstations.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: NWAESC
Posted 2013-01-29 06:40:35 and read 6969 times.

Excellent. Thanks for that!

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: iowaman
Posted 2013-01-29 10:21:28 and read 6627 times.

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 15):
Quoting BDL757 (Reply 10):
I've been told to expect LGA-DSM to start this summer.

Yep, saw it at a station briefing.

Any idea on what type of equipment? CR9 I'm guessing since DSM is a maintnance base for the -900's. Over the 750 mile mark for DL to run a CR2 on it. I'm also guessing it would be year around service.

A little history on this route - American Eagle flew it with an ERJ starting in June of 2006. Loads were fairly decent looking at previous discussions on airliners.net from that time. NW then apparently wanted to get in on the action and started it in November of 2007. Then, in Fall of 2010, DL cited poor loads and dropped the route. Eagle also dropped the route at some point.

UA started DSM-EWR 1x daily on May of 2011. UA is up to 2x daily this summer. Not thinking there is room for both DL to LGA and UA to EWR. DSM-EWR is also a route that has come and gone over the years on CO.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: mah4546
Posted 2013-01-29 10:28:00 and read 6630 times.

Quoting LuftyMatt (Reply 27):
Any news as to JFK-MAN restarting?

It's not. Route was discontinued.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: LO231
Posted 2013-01-29 10:33:55 and read 6589 times.

I wonder, if LO pulls out of EWR to do more JFK, wouldn't that be too darey to try EWR-WAW?

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: mayor
Posted 2013-01-29 10:36:50 and read 6570 times.

Quoting txkf2010 (Reply 19):
They are (re)starting LGA-BDA also. Northwest did it in 2009 with an A320.

As I recall, this is also a route that DL used fo fly after they merged with Northeast....it was an old NE route.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: mayor
Posted 2013-01-29 13:28:10 and read 6267 times.

Quoting mayor (Reply 33):
Quoting txkf2010 (Reply 19):
They are (re)starting LGA-BDA also. Northwest did it in 2009 with an A320.

As I recall, this is also a route that DL used fo fly after they merged with Northeast....it was an old NE route.

My mistake......it was BOS-BDA that they inherited from Northeast.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: tommy767
Posted 2013-01-29 13:29:27 and read 6274 times.

Quoting LO231 (Reply 32):

Likely no. It would maybe be UA trying EWR-WAW, if/when the 787 comes back to life.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: dbo861
Posted 2013-01-29 13:55:04 and read 6184 times.

Quoting BDL757 (Reply 10):
While I don't have a source yet, I've been told to expect LGA-DSM to start this summer.

I was kind of expecting to see DSM-SLC before DSM-LGA made its return. Right now for western destinations on Delta you have to go up to MSP or backtrack to the east.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: nickofatlanta
Posted 2013-01-29 16:16:59 and read 6008 times.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 31):
It's not. Route was discontinued.

Seems that DL has stop/started the JFK-MAN route a few times. Presumably, this is in part from the AA-operated flight on the same route and the power of the AA/BA joint venture. Interesting that, from what I've read on here, US' PHL-MAN route does so well but DL can't seem to make JFK-MAN work. Presumably, ATL-MAN handles most of MAN's connections flows well for DL (Florida etc.)

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: LuftyMatt
Posted 2013-01-29 18:00:54 and read 5818 times.

Quoting nickofatlanta (Reply 37):
Seems that DL has stop/started the JFK-MAN route a few times

They've stopped/started JFK-MAN more times than I can remember! It's not like it was always for seasonal reasons either, there's no consistency to their way of thinking on this route.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: VC10DC10
Posted 2013-01-29 18:19:30 and read 5747 times.

Quoting LuftyMatt (Reply 38):

They've stopped/started JFK-MAN more times than I can remember! It's not like it was always for seasonal reasons either, there's no consistency to their way of thinking on this route.

I would think this would be a route that would benefit from the new investment in/joint venture with Virgin Atlantic.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: mke717spotter
Posted 2013-01-29 18:56:22 and read 5671 times.

Quoting LO231 (Reply 32):
I wonder, if LO pulls out of EWR to do more JFK, wouldn't that be too darey to try EWR-WAW?
Quoting tommy767 (Reply 35):
Likely no. It would maybe be UA trying EWR-WAW, if/when the 787 comes back to life.


LO has already consolidated New York operations at JFK since October. I always thought EWR-WAW would have been a good route for CO to put on of their 762s on, at least during the summer. You're right though, maybe they can make it work with the 787.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: mah4546
Posted 2013-01-29 18:59:21 and read 5696 times.

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 40):
I always thought EWR-WAW would have been a good route for CO to put on of their 762s on, at least during the summer.

A junk yield route like EWRWAW is terrible for a 762. If anything, it needs the 764's capacity to even try to break even.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: IllinoisMan
Posted 2013-01-29 23:33:18 and read 5394 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
MSN-SLC daily OO CR7

I'm really surprised DL would add this instead of bringing it back to MKE, but hey, good for Madison, good for the state. I'll tell you what - if there were...oh I don't know...a train from downtown Madison straight to MKE I wonder how much more service MKE would have?

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: cslusarc
Posted 2013-01-30 00:28:53 and read 5336 times.

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 40):
I always thought EWR-WAW would have been a good route for CO to put on of their 762s on, at least during the summer.

For CO:
- The 762s CASM is too high for a low yield route like EWR - WAW.
- The Pacific configured 764s would be almost perfect with their 20 classic Business First seats.


For DL:
- The new 76Z configuration could open up more destinations in Eastern Europe that were previously uneconomical with 36 J-class seats on a 76T/76L.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: factsonly
Posted 2013-01-30 00:28:58 and read 5360 times.

Quoting panamair (Reply 23):
The only adds JFK will be getting are YVR and YQB (if you consider Canada international), an additional 3x weekly JFK-DUB (for a total of 10x weekly), and an increase of ACC to daily from 4-5x weekly. They are dropping VLC from JFK though.


Don't forget.....an additional daily B763 on JFK-AMS, making JFK-AMS 2x daily on DL and 2x daily on KL (codeshare DL), while a 5th daily NYC-AMS departs EWR with the 1x daily DL B763 EWR-AMS.

Beyond AMS, KLM will increase frequency AMS-BUD (from 3x to 4x B737) to accomodate for the withdrawal of DL on JFK-BUD.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: usdcaguy
Posted 2013-01-30 03:36:43 and read 5249 times.

Quoting panamair (Reply 23):
They are dropping VLC from JFK though.

I'll bet you anything that traffic will spill over to JFK-BCN and make those flights jam-packed and higher yielding.

Can anyone give me a list of the summer 757 Transatlantic destinations that have been lost since summer 2008? I can think of JFK-VLC/LYS, was there ever JFK-EDI/GLA? I wonder about destinations farther afield that might work in summer with any aircraft, such as JFK-ZAG/SKG/LIS/AMM/OSL/HEL/LED/BIO/RAK/BUD, although we all know how hard DL tried with BUD and AMM.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: flyguy89
Posted 2013-01-30 08:13:08 and read 5072 times.

Quoting nickofatlanta (Reply 37):
Interesting that, from what I've read on here, US' PHL-MAN route does so well but DL can't seem to make JFK-MAN work.

I believe this is mainly because Philadelphia has some strong pharmaceutical and cargo traffic to Manchester, UK which has always made this route a strong performer for US.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: huwster
Posted 2013-01-30 08:15:56 and read 5079 times.

Also read that BTV-ATL will start on June 7th, one flight a day using MD88. Great to have another hub option from BTV instead of ORD/JFK.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: laca773
Posted 2013-01-31 05:14:05 and read 4682 times.

Quoting factsonly (Reply 44):
Beyond AMS, KLM will increase frequency AMS-BUD (from 3x to 4x B737) to accomodate for the withdrawal of DL on JFK-BUD.

This is one route I think DL should attempt as a seasonal only for the time being. Too bad it got the permanent axe taken to it.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: FSDan
Posted 2013-01-31 06:00:14 and read 4595 times.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 48):
This is one route I think DL should attempt as a seasonal only for the time being. Too bad it got the permanent axe taken to it.

I agree. They cut it after AA started JFK-BUD because there was too much capacity with two airlines, but now that Malev is gone and AA dropped the route it would have a better chance. Still a low yield route though...

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
MSN-SLC daily OO CR7

Heck yeah! There is not much westbound service from MSN at the moment. Just MSP and DEN, and to an extent DFW. This flight should get a decent amount of Epic traffic on weekdays.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: BDL757
Posted 2013-01-31 22:45:21 and read 4152 times.

I know this is also going to come off as hearsay because I can't reveal my source of info but I was just told to expect Delta to fly SEA-LHR starting this summer.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-01-31 22:48:45 and read 4156 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
SEA-HND daily DL 763ER (pending government approval)

I may be out of the loop but is this still pending gvt approval?

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: factsonly
Posted 2013-02-01 00:15:50 and read 4118 times.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 48):
Beyond AMS, KLM will increase frequency AMS-BUD (from 3x to 4x B737) to accomodate for the withdrawal of DL on JFK-BUD.

This is one route I think DL should attempt as a seasonal only for the time being. Too bad it got the permanent axe taken to it.

Remember that DL gains a cost/pricing efficiency in the USA-BUD market by not operating JFK-BUD.

DL's extensive operation of 19x daily flights to AMS in Summer permits a more extensive coverage of the USA-BUD market, than would be possible via a single JFK-BUD flight.

- SEA-BUD 2x/day
- PDX-BUD 1x/day
- MSP-BUD 3x/day
- DTW-BUD 4x/day
- BOS-BUD 2x/day
- JFK-BUD 2x/day
- EWR-BUD 1x/day
- ATL-BUD 4x/day

In addition DL is able to offer USA-BUD via CDG with multiple daily options. So point-to-point demand out of JFK to BUD would need to be very strong and high-yielding to beat these multiple low cost DL options.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: toobz
Posted 2013-02-01 01:14:51 and read 4076 times.

PHX..read the line you quoted from PSU

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: panamair
Posted 2013-02-01 01:23:24 and read 4078 times.

Quoting factsonly (Reply 52):
Remember that DL gains a cost/pricing efficiency in the USA-BUD market by not operating JFK-BUD.

DL's extensive operation of 19x daily flights to AMS in Summer permits a more extensive coverage of the USA-BUD market, than would be possible via a single JFK-BUD flight.

- SEA-BUD 2x/day
- PDX-BUD 1x/day
- MSP-BUD 3x/day
- DTW-BUD 4x/day
- BOS-BUD 2x/day
- JFK-BUD 2x/day
- EWR-BUD 1x/day
- ATL-BUD 4x/day

In addition DL is able to offer USA-BUD via CDG with multiple daily options. So point-to-point demand out of JFK to BUD would need to be very strong and high-yielding to beat these multiple low cost DL options.

Understand your point completely from a DL cost side perspective. From a DL pax convenience perspective however, the JFK flight does offer one-stop service to BUD from more than 45 US cities, whereas, in the case of AMS or CDG, only the gateway cities (about 18 of them between CDG and AMS) get one-stop service; other places will need two stops to get to BUD....That's always going to be the tradeoff between using US gateways (JFK, ATL, DTW) or European gateways (CDG, AMS, FCO) as the connecting point.

[Edited 2013-02-01 01:25:22]

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: teneriffe77
Posted 2013-02-01 06:11:34 and read 3924 times.

BTV is one city that surprises me as I'm surprised that it can't support year round ATL service nor service to CLT on US despite smaller airports like AVP along w/ no AA service.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-02-01 16:41:14 and read 3663 times.

I read the line but no one has said anything on the progress there

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: mah4546
Posted 2013-02-01 17:03:45 and read 3640 times.

Quoting FSDan (Reply 49):
I agree. They cut it after AA started JFK-BUD because there was too much capacity with two airlines, but now that Malev is gone and AA dropped the route it would have a better chance. Still a low yield route though...

Surprisingly I've heard AA might give Budapest a second go in June. If that is actually going to happen, we'd have to hear quite soon.

[Edited 2013-02-01 17:04:17]

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: toobz
Posted 2013-02-01 18:00:53 and read 3544 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 56):

Grr sry PHX, Anet made me sound a bit rude..had a smiley and the rest of my message didn't show up either hmmm. Hate using an iPhone sometimes!!

Anyway what I meant to add to that was:

DOT did give tentative approval for the route. I have done research on this as well because I was curious on the progress, and I can't seem to come up with any updates either. Last public announcement I have been able to find was from 11/15/12 indicating DL would start it in March 2013 with a 763 and then later upgrade to 747. (Yes I know...nobody hold their breathe) but its not loaded yet so maybe we are just waiting as long as we can to start it. Stranger things have happened you know..  

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-02-01 18:30:41 and read 3473 times.

Quoting toobz (Reply 58):
DOT did give tentative approval for the route. I have done research on this as well because I was curious on the progress, and I can't seem to come up with any updates either. Last public announcement I have been able to find was from 11/15/12 indicating DL would start it in March 2013 with a 763 and then later upgrade to 747. (Yes I know...nobody hold their breathe) but its not loaded yet so maybe we are just waiting as long as we can to start it. Stranger things have happened you know..

A 744 on this route....bad idea. If they were to upgrade it, it should be a 772 or a 330. Last I heard the NRT-SEA route was pretty much exactly where it needed to be with a 330.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: deltairlines
Posted 2013-02-01 18:46:25 and read 3431 times.

Not a new route, but JFK-STI/SDQ/SJU all pick up a flight for the summer. STI/SDQ go 3x/day; SJU is 4x/day.

Quoting uncgso (Reply 22):
meh ... thought maybe GSO-MSP would return at some point

The two things that hurt this route are it ties up one of the (limited) large RJs up for a long period of time and it overflies natural flows over either ATL or DTW. Delta's been slowly bringing some of the MSP flights that overfly DTW back and they've been building back up GSO (compared to a few years ago when it was all CR2 to ATL; now there's a lot more mainline back); this could be a possibility in the next year or two. One thing that's been helping with the overflights is they've been using those planes to bridge into the LaGuardia operation.

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 36):
I was kind of expecting to see DSM-SLC before DSM-LGA made its return. Right now for western destinations on Delta you have to go up to MSP or backtrack to the east.

DSM-MSP is a quick 30-35 minute hop, so not a significant backtrack. SLC-DSM would require a large RJ, and since SkyWest is the big player out there for this category and they're being used to build up LAX even more while supporting SLC and it causes some tough decisions. Not to mention I seem to recall there is a lack of gate space in general for the larger RJs at peak times at SLC (I think only a few spots on E can handle a CR7/9 without shutting down an adjacent gate).

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 59):
A 744 on this route....bad idea. If they were to upgrade it, it should be a 772 or a 330. Last I heard the NRT-SEA route was pretty much exactly where it needed to be with a 330.

Think product here. Delta's 777 fleet is pretty decently used this summer, with the -LRs fully allocated at 10 ships being used, and 7 out of the 8 -ERs in use (leaving one -ER as a spare, which can be used on most of the -LR rotations in a pinch save SYD/JNB). Thus, they can't have a lie-flat J product on SEA-NRT using that plane. The 767-400 would be pushing the range for SEA-NRT (plus those are heavily used), so that's out. The 767-300 is too small of a plane for this route for Delta, so that's out. That leaves the A330s with their old business class seat (that Delta doesn't want to use in the Seattle long-haul market; either TATL or TPAC) or upgauge to a 747, where in the summer they should easily be able to fill it up with tourists in the back and offer a superior business class product compared to NH and UA on this route.

I wouldn't be shocked to see this route go back to the A330 in the fall and have it be on the first routes that the new A330 J product gets.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-02-01 19:58:36 and read 3315 times.

Quoting deltairlines (Reply 60):
The 767-400 would be pushing the range for SEA-NRT (plus those are heavily used), so that's out. The 767-300 is too small of a plane for this route for Delta, so that's out. That leaves the A330s with their old business class seat (that Delta doesn't want to use in the Seattle long-haul market; either TATL or TPAC) or upgauge to a 747, where in the summer they should easily be able to fill it up with tourists in the back and offer a superior business class product compared to NH and UA on this route.

Wait I'm confused, the 767 serves SFO from NRT right, what's the range for the 764?

And isn't the 330 getting interior upgrades ?

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: toobz
Posted 2013-02-02 03:34:53 and read 3097 times.

And why would the 767 be too small on SEA-HND?

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2013-02-02 03:42:14 and read 3100 times.

Quoting toobz (Reply 58):

Never saw anything about HND going to the 47, only NRT.

Quoting deltairlines (Reply 60):
(leaving one -ER as a spare, which can be used on most of the -LR rotations in a pinch save SYD

FWIW the ER has done LAX-SYD in the past. Matter of fact I think the 2nd or 3rd day the of the flight they used an ER.

Quoting toobz (Reply 62):
And why would the 767 be too small on SEA-HND?

they are talking about NRT.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: BatonOps
Posted 2013-02-02 04:29:44 and read 3046 times.

It would be great to see DL open up ITH-LGA or even ITH-JFK. US served the ITH-LGA route for years until the swap with DCA happened.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: laca773
Posted 2013-02-02 05:36:26 and read 2953 times.

Quoting factsonly (Reply 52):
taken to it.

Remember that DL gains a cost/pricing efficiency in the USA-BUD market by not operating JFK-BUD.

DL's extensive operation of 19x daily flights to AMS in Summer permits a more extensive coverage of the USA-BUD market, than would be possible via a single JFK-BUD flight.

- SEA-BUD 2x/day
- PDX-BUD 1x/day
- MSP-BUD 3x/day
- DTW-BUD 4x/day
- BOS-BUD 2x/day
- JFK-BUD 2x/day
- EWR-BUD 1x/day
- ATL-BUD 4x/day

In addition DL is able to offer USA-BUD via CDG with multiple daily options. So point-to-point demand out of JFK to BUD would need to be very strong and high-yielding to beat these multiple low cost DL options.

This is already a given, and thank you for pointing it out. DL/KL/AF offer many one-stop transit opportunities from cities with nonstop service from the US. There are many however that would require a two stop transit.

Quoting panamair (Reply 54):
Understand your point completely from a DL cost side perspective. From a DL pax convenience perspective however, the JFK flight does offer one-stop service to BUD from more than 45 US cities, whereas, in the case of AMS or CDG, only the gateway cities (about 18 of them between CDG and AMS) get one-stop service; other places will need two stops to get to BUD....That's always going to be the tradeoff between using US gateways (JFK, ATL, DTW) or European gateways (CDG, AMS, FCO) as the connecting point.

   !!

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: toobz
Posted 2013-02-02 10:46:56 and read 2734 times.

L1011..lol thanks for setting my sleep deprived and jet lagged a*# straight. Yes of course you are correct. 747 on NRT. And yes he was referring to NRT on the 76 as well. Ok I'm done lol

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: FreshSide3
Posted 2013-02-03 09:53:35 and read 2313 times.

What about Kiev? DL used to have JFK-KBP service, and for Aerosvit, it's questionable if they will still be there at JFK much longer. With no KBP and no BUD, this will distribute the passengers around differently. Especially with the connection situation at both ends.

Topic: RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013
Username: deltairlines
Posted 2013-02-03 10:32:27 and read 2223 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 61):
Wait I'm confused, the 767 serves SFO from NRT right, what's the range for the 764?

SFO (and PDX) are on 767-300s. The 767-400 has quite a bit less range from an operational perspective...SEA-NRT would be close to the far end of it. For example, MUC-ATL westbound often has to face some weight penalties (SEA-NRT is about 30 miles shorter than MUC-ATL)

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 61):
And isn't the 330 getting interior upgrades ?

Yes, I believe starting this fall after the peak summer season is done. Which doesn't help too much if they want to implement the enhanced product in this market sooner than the fall.

Quoting toobz (Reply 62):

And why would the 767 be too small on SEA-HND?

767-300 is the perfect size for SEA-HND, given that there are no real beyond connections at Haneda due to the flight times, while at Narita there are plenty of connections into Asia.


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