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Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 3 New Destinations In Asia!
Username: flyingdoc787
Posted 2013-02-04 18:10:14 and read 8510 times.

From airlineroute.net - ET plans to begin flying to Manila, Seoul-ICN, and Ho Chi Minh City by mid-June 2013.
Very interesting development! Is there enough traffic to support ET on these routes?

Topic: RE: Ethiopian Airlines 3 New Destinations In Asia!
Username: diesel33
Posted 2013-02-04 18:36:02 and read 8367 times.

I was wondering if Manila had the traffic to support these flights as well as its the only city of the three without traffic rights to/from the intermediate city.

Are there many Filipinos in Africa or many Africans in the Philippines? Or is ET targeting Filipinos in the Middle East and Europe?

Either way, it's an interesting move by Ethiopian and great to see another carrier in Manila.

Topic: RE: Ethiopian Airlines 3 New Destinations In Asia!
Username: usflyer msp
Posted 2013-02-04 18:46:45 and read 8313 times.

ET

Quoting diesel33 (Reply 1):
I was wondering if Manila had the traffic to support these flights as well as its the only city of the three without traffic rights to/from the intermediate city.

ET will do well to any country that makes cheap crap that (West) African traders can take home and sell. The Philippines and Vietnam fit the bill. IF ET can fill a plane to random places like HGH, I am sure that SGN and MNL will do fine. I am not so sure about Seoul . It will probably cater more to Korean businesses and missionaries wanting to do work in Sub-Saharan Africa. Koreans are very loyal to their local carriers so ET will have to do extra work (like hiring Korean speaking FA's, something they don't do for other Asian destinations) if they want to break into this market IMHO.

Topic: RE: Ethiopian Airlines 3 New Destinations In Asia!
Username: ETinCaribe
Posted 2013-02-04 19:15:33 and read 8234 times.

Congrats to ET for being once again BOLD! They recently revealed that they are growing by some 25% annually so I guess they need additional destinations to keep with the growth...

Quoting flyingdoc787 (Thread starter):
Manila

Did not see this one coming, Fillipo presence in Africa is not very strong, but perhaps it is growing...

Quoting flyingdoc787 (Thread starter):
Seoul-ICN, and Ho Chi Minh City

Good move on those. Both have growing ties to Africa, especially in the infrastructure building business and other fields.

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 2):
I am not so sure about Seoul . It will probably cater more to Korean businesses and missionaries wanting to do work in Sub-Saharan Africa. Koreans are very loyal to their local carriers so ET will have to do extra work (like hiring Korean speaking FA's, something they don't do for other Asian destinations) if they want to break into this market IMHO.

Korean already flies to NBO (see: http://www.theafricanaviationtribune...uth-korea-kenya-airways-signs.html
) so even more of a challenging for ET. But perhaps what they need is a codeshare with Asiana and they can feed each otther's hubs.

Topic: RE: Ethiopian Airlines 3 New Destinations In Asia!
Username: prflyer
Posted 2013-02-04 19:22:58 and read 8202 times.

Ethiopia is building a mega dam and will be completed by 2035. Most workers are from the Philippines and Korea.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...thiopia-dams-idUSL5E8MCC1T20121112

Topic: RE: Ethiopian Airlines 3 New Destinations In Asia!
Username: ETinCaribe
Posted 2013-02-04 19:39:26 and read 8091 times.

Congrats to ET for being once again BOLD! They recently revealed that they are growing by some 25% annually so I guess they need additional destinations to sustain the growth...

Quoting flyingdoc787 (Thread starter):
Manila

Did not see this one coming, Fillipo presence in Africa is not very strong, but perhaps it is growing...

Quoting flyingdoc787 (Thread starter):
Seoul-ICN, and Ho Chi Minh City

Good move on those. Both have growing ties to Africa, especially in the infrastructure building business and other fields.

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 2):
I am not so sure about Seoul . It will probably cater more to Korean businesses and missionaries wanting to do work in Sub-Saharan Africa. Koreans are very loyal to their local carriers so ET will have to do extra work (like hiring Korean speaking FA's, something they don't do for other Asian destinations) if they want to break into this market IMHO.

Korean already flies to NBO (see: http://www.theafricanaviationtribune...uth-korea-kenya-airways-signs.html
) so even more of a challenge for ET. But perhaps what they need is a codeshare with Asiana and they can feed each otther's hubs.

Topic: RE: Ethiopian Airlines 3 New Destinations In Asia!
Username: boeing773ER
Posted 2013-02-04 19:58:59 and read 8017 times.

It is beyond me how ET is growing at this rate. Ethiopia is one of the poorest counties in the world, but they have one of the most modern fleets in the world. I feel the government could be spending their money other ways, but it's not up to me on how they spend their money.

Topic: RE: Ethiopian Airlines 3 New Destinations In Asia!
Username: usflyer msp
Posted 2013-02-04 20:10:27 and read 7968 times.

Quoting boeing773ER (Reply 6):
It is beyond me how ET is growing at this rate. Ethiopia is one of the poorest counties in the world, but they have one of the most modern fleets in the world. I feel the government could be spending their money other ways, but it's not up to me on how they spend their money.

ET is government-owned but completely self-sustaining. ET actually brings money into Ethiopia so the government is not neglecting any other needs to invest in ET. They have long been the top carrier in sub-saharan Africa precisely because the government does not interfere with the professionals who operate the airline.

Topic: RE: Ethiopian Airlines 3 New Destinations In Asia!
Username: migair54
Posted 2013-02-04 22:58:20 and read 7660 times.

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 5):
Good move on those. Both have growing ties to Africa, especially in the infrastructure building business and other fields.


It´s a good move but currently Korean already flies to NBO and with good connectivity with KQ... so it´s going to be a big fight, specially with Korean offering connectivity in both ends....

Manila and Ho Chi Minh City are big surprises, I though maybe Kuala Lumpur or Even Shanghai could make more logic, but if they select that they must have their reasons....

Topic: RE: Ethiopian Airlines 3 New Destinations In Asia!
Username: CityAirline
Posted 2013-02-04 23:37:45 and read 7577 times.

Great news! Nice to see an African airline expand at this rate.
Even though I'm surprised by MNL, I'm even more so by SGN. What kind of connection or bond does Ethiopia have with Vietnam? At least Filipinos can be found a little bit of everywhere (even if they're not big in Africa).

/Alex

Topic: RE: Ethiopian Airlines 3 New Destinations In Asia!
Username: SepulTALLICA
Posted 2013-02-05 02:42:13 and read 7387 times.

Quoting migair54 (Reply 8):
It´s a good move but currently Korean already flies to NBO and with good connectivity with KQ... so it´s going to be a big fight, specially with Korean offering connectivity in both ends....

Not really. KE 's NBO flights struggle to make 20% load factors hence why they keep putting off CAI flights.

As a poster above mentioned, Ethiopia is undergoing massive development at the moment.

The construction of $4.8 billion Grand Renaissance Dam on the Blue Nile is a huge undertaking with workers from all over the world involved (an Aswan-Dam esque project) and aims to transform Ethiopia into a net exporter of electricity to Kenya and (South) Sudan. Then there is the building of a huge new rail system, an expansive road network and the development of oil and natural gas reserves discovered in the south east of the country.

Once the African Union is able to get rid of those idiot Al Shabaab clowns, and with the subsequent stabilization of Somalia due to hopefully come at some stage in the near future, expect to see the Horn of Africa explode economically.

Topic: RE: Ethiopian Airlines 3 New Destinations In Asia!
Username: ManekS
Posted 2013-02-05 06:08:17 and read 6976 times.

Well that was unexpected. They are putting together an impressive Asian network.
However, I'd really like to see them add SIN to this list soon - it would connect two star alliance hubs, be the first nonstop service between Singapore and Eastern Africa, and by enhancing cooperation with SQ, they could further build upon a global network by expanding codeshares to include Australia/New Zealand.

Topic: RE: Ethiopian Airlines 3 New Destinations In Asia!
Username: jfidler
Posted 2013-02-05 06:29:35 and read 6912 times.

Does anyone have information on flight times? I looked on ET's site but didn't find any information yet.

If the timings are good, then I could fly IAD-ADD-MNL. The routings I usually take to MNL involve additional stops, especially if I'm trying to utilize a Star Alliance carrier for most of the journey.

Topic: RE: Ethiopian Airlines 3 New Destinations In Asia!
Username: CityAirline
Posted 2013-02-05 07:53:22 and read 6729 times.

Quoting jfidler (Reply 12):
Does anyone have information on flight times? I looked on ET's site but didn't find any information yet.

If the timings are good, then I could fly IAD-ADD-MNL. The routings I usually take to MNL involve additional stops, especially if I'm trying to utilize a Star Alliance carrier for most of the journey.

You should know the flights to MNL will make a one-hour stop in HKG:

ET628 ADD0005 – 1500HKG1600 – 1800MNL 763 246
ET629 MNL2200 – 2355HKG0055+1 – 0655+1ADD 763 246

(Flights to ICN will also make a stop at HKG, while SGN will make a stop at BKK)

/Alex

Topic: RE: Ethiopian Airlines 3 New Destinations In Asia!
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2013-02-05 13:45:12 and read 5944 times.

Quoting SepulTALLICA (Reply 10):
Not really. KE 's NBO flights struggle to make 20% load factors hence why they keep putting off CAI flights.

20% sounds awful. I know there is alot of cargo below (especially eastbound) but 20% is jsut not sustainable

Topic: RE: Ethiopian Airlines 3 New Destinations In Asia!
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2013-02-05 16:54:37 and read 4780 times.

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 13):
You should know the flights to MNL will make a one-hour stop in HKG:

According to airlineroute.net, ET will not have traffic rights on MNL-HKG-MNL.

Topic: RE: Ethiopian Airlines 3 New Destinations In Asia!
Username: FreshSide3
Posted 2013-02-05 17:44:43 and read 4539 times.

What would be ideal for ET to do is reinstate the ADD-ATH trip, to put these really Asian trips "over the top". Ironic coincidence there's been an increase infor all three cities from ATH....but far from close enough to even put non-daily service.....and at the same time, only one Asia trip to ATH(CA/PEK)......plus a certain amout of local demand.

ET formerly had a 767 between ADD-ATH.....but at this time, a 737 still will be sufficent to do the trick.

Topic: RE: Ethiopian Airlines 3 New Destinations In Asia!
Username: justinlee
Posted 2013-02-05 17:45:57 and read 4539 times.

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 2):
. IF ET can fill a plane to random places like HGH, I am sure that SGN and MNL will do fine.

I would say HGH is not a random place. There is a small town near HGH called Yiwu where locates the largest wholesale market in China (and in the world!). It has a floor area of 4,000,000 sq meters and it attracts large amount of businessmen around the world. There is about 10k foreign residents in Yiwu and 300k foreign visitors every year, most of them from India, Middle East and Africa.

Here is a wiki of Yiwu:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yiwu_market

Topic: RE: Ethiopian Airlines 3 New Destinations In Asia!
Username: SCQ83
Posted 2013-02-05 18:04:02 and read 4429 times.

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 16):
What would be ideal for ET to do is reinstate the ADD-ATH trip, to put these really Asian trips "over the top". Ironic coincidence there's been an increase infor all three cities from ATH....but far from close enough to even put non-daily service.....and at the same time, only one Asia trip to ATH(CA/PEK)......plus a certain amout of local demand.

ET formerly had a 767 between ADD-ATH.....but at this time, a 737 still will be sufficent to do the trick.

ATH has service with EK, EY, QR, ME, TK, LY, RJ and MS... do they really need more connectivity to Africa/Asia/ME?

Topic: RE: Ethiopian Airlines 3 New Destinations In Asia!
Username: usflyer msp
Posted 2013-02-05 18:15:19 and read 4348 times.

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 18):
ATH has service with EK, EY, QR, ME, TK, LY, RJ and MS... do they really need more connectivity to Africa/Asia/ME?

No. Especially with the horrible economy and general xenophobic political climate taking hold in Greece right now. ATH-ADD would be a dud...

Topic: RE: Ethiopian Airlines 3 New Destinations In Asia!
Username: FreshSide3
Posted 2013-02-06 13:56:53 and read 3903 times.

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 18):
ATH has service with EK, EY, QR, ME, TK, LY, RJ and MS... do they really need more connectivity to Africa/Asia/ME?

Kind of mixed bag of factors that kind of got lost between the cracks, vis-a-vis Greece-Asia.
(1) Australians also use many of these connections, and there's a substantial Greek population in AU.
(2) With the recent addition of EK's Adelaide-DXB trip, this eliminates one stop. Much of the Greece-bound passengers are going beyond ATH anyway......and this is a strong selling point. So diaspora travelers that normally not go as often, are taking advantage of this now.....which means EK will sell out their DXB-ATH portion quicker than last year.
(3) 2013 is different than 2012, with the absence of TG and SQ....folks that normally take these flights on a regular basis have to go someplace else besides SIN and BKK.
(4) The schedules between ATH-TLV on LY/A3/OA have been erratic lately.
(5) Political unrest in Egypt has made MS/CAI not all that palatable an option for connections, for some.
(6) There is also the "political correctness" issue for some Greeks, who refuse to fly TK.
(7) CA's ATH-PEK trip stops in MUC in both directions, which adds too much time to the journey.
(8) Also, the absence of JNB service from ATH. So, ET can also win a few here, too.
(9) Plus a large Filipino population in ATH.
(10) Recent cooperation between the Greek and Vietnamese tourist authorities to co-promote their countries.


Really not one thing, but a combination of odd pockets of people that point to ADD-ATH being viable.

Topic: RE: Ethiopian Airlines 3 New Destinations In Asia!
Username: ETinCaribe
Posted 2013-02-07 09:08:05 and read 3576 times.

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 20):
Really not one thing, but a combination of odd pockets of people that point to ADD-ATH being viable.

Good set of reasons, but I don't think it is on the table now at ET. Also note that there is a historic and strong link between Greece and Ethiopia due to religion in particular (~50% of Ethiopians are Orthodox Christians).

Quoting justinlee (Reply 17):
I would say HGH is not a random place. There is a small town near HGH called Yiwu where locates the largest wholesale market in China (and in the world!). It has a floor area of 4,000,000 sq meters and it attracts large amount of businessmen around the world. There is about 10k foreign residents in Yiwu and 300k foreign visitors every year, most of them from India, Middle East and Africa.

Here is a wiki of Yiwu:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yiwu_market

Wow, did not know, thanks for educating us on it.

Quoting SepulTALLICA (Reply 10):
Not really. KE 's NBO flights struggle to make 20% load factors hence why they keep putting off CAI flights.

Hey man, good to hear from you. Very poor performance indeed.

Quoting SepulTALLICA (Reply 10):
As a poster above mentioned, Ethiopia is undergoing massive development at the moment.

Indeed. So ET can now start to bank on the local O/D not just the transit loads that made it what it is today.

Quoting ManekS (Reply 11):
However, I'd really like to see them add SIN to this list soon

I would too, but as noted above, the key demographic for ET are traders in search of lower end products in Asia, which I think they won't find much of in SIN. But with more business links, I foresee and direct ADD-SIN in the near future. I think they currently codeshare via DXB.

Topic: RE: Ethiopian Airlines 3 New Destinations In Asia!
Username: FreshSide3
Posted 2013-02-07 11:18:30 and read 3486 times.

Anyone know where the ICN flight stops, by the way??

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 21):
Good set of reasons, but I don't think it is on the table now at ET. Also note that there is a historic and strong link between Greece and Ethiopia due to religion in particular (~50% of Ethiopians are Orthodox Christians).

Yes, that is true.....additionally...."Bambis" which is the largest supermarket in Addis Ababa, imports many items from Greece.....food items, especially, but recorded music and films(on CD/DVD), as well as a few other odd items.

[Edited 2013-02-07 11:20:01]

Topic: RE: Ethiopian Airlines 3 New Destinations In Asia!
Username: ushermittwoch
Posted 2013-02-07 12:16:58 and read 3421 times.

I wish their fares ex FRA were just a tad more attractive to go to the Far East.

Topic: RE: Ethiopian Airlines 3 New Destinations In Asia!
Username: ETinCaribe
Posted 2013-02-07 13:12:25 and read 3379 times.

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 22):
Anyone know where the ICN flight stops, by the way??

HKG, see: http://www.theafricanaviationtribune...ippines-ethiopian-airlines-to.html

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 22):
Yes, that is true.....additionally...."Bambis" which is the largest supermarket in Addis Ababa, imports many items from Greece.....food items, especially, but recorded music and films(on CD/DVD), as well as a few other odd items.

True, I see you know Addis   Hopefully, Bambis also stops importing expired products 

Topic: RE: Ethiopian Airlines 3 New Destinations In Asia!
Username: 777way
Posted 2013-02-07 21:33:46 and read 3299 times.

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 21):
Also note that there is a historic and strong link between Greece and Ethiopia due to religion in particular (~50% of Ethiopians are Orthodox Christians).

Is that relevant? I know some airlines from Islamic states are struggling flying to Saudi Arabia, infact many dont even serve the place despite the religious commonality and it being a religious centre.

Topic: RE: Ethiopian Airlines 3 New Destinations In Asia!
Username: FreshSide3
Posted 2013-02-08 10:55:42 and read 3019 times.

Quoting 777way (Reply 25):
Is that relevant? I know some airlines from Islamic states are struggling flying to Saudi Arabia, infact many dont even serve the place despite the religious commonality and it being a religious centre.

There is a certain amount of Ethiopian people going to religious sites like Mt. Athos and Meteora, as a result.

Additionally, there is a connection in America, too. Seattle, Atlanta, Washington DC, and some other US cities DO have Ethiopian Orthodox Churches. But in the cities that DON'T, Ethiopians mostly go to Greek services....and kind of "adopted" the Greek community and some of the cultural aspects that go with it. So you will sometimes see Ethiopian-Americans do BOTH Ethiopia AND Greece on a visit.

Topic: RE: Ethiopian Airlines 3 New Destinations In Asia!
Username: ETinCaribe
Posted 2013-02-08 19:53:38 and read 2821 times.

Quoting 777way (Reply 25):
Is that relevant? I know some airlines from Islamic states are struggling flying to Saudi Arabia, infact many dont even serve the place despite the religious commonality and it being a religious centre.

Yes, but IMHO. If we get a list of why a ADD-ATH route may work, this is one of the reasons. You may also have missed the historic keyword. If there was a clear need for this route, duh, ET would fly it. This is all speculation for now.

Topic: RE: Ethiopian Airlines 3 New Destinations In Asia!
Username: JU068
Posted 2013-02-08 21:25:20 and read 2748 times.

Does anyone know if Ethiopian operated flights into Larnaca? I remember seeing their 757-200s parked at the old airport back in the early 2000s, not sure if it was a scheduled flight or a charter.

Topic: RE: Ethiopian Airlines 3 New Destinations In Asia!
Username: ETinCaribe
Posted 2013-02-15 08:54:26 and read 2159 times.

Quoting JU068 (Reply 28):

Does anyone know if Ethiopian operated flights into Larnaca? I remember seeing their 757-200s parked at the old airport back in the early 2000s, not sure if it was a scheduled flight or a charter.

I did not think they did, but according to the list of current and terminated destinations list on Wiki, they used to fly there. The reference provided is this one: http://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPD...s=0&scrollbar=0&page=1&view=FitH,0

So assuming this info is correct, they did fly there in the early 2000s but I think it must have been a short lived route.

Topic: RE: Ethiopian Airlines 3 New Destinations In Asia!
Username: b2319
Posted 2013-02-15 09:57:28 and read 2076 times.

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 2):
IF ET can fill a plane to random places like HGH, I am sure that SGN and MNL will do fine.

I'm a little late in following member justinlee above, however simple trawling of Wikipedia would show that the metropolitan populations of Hangzhou and erm, Twin Cities, are 8.7 million and 3.6 million respectively.

Not to mention that Hangzhou has a history dating back 1000 years, was a key canal city, has West Lake, etc, etc, etc. And what does Twin Cities have? Well, it had the Mall of America when I visited in 1997.....

At the risk of going ever slightly off-topic- many of you may visit Shanghai on business. I'd strongly advise on those of you to consider visiting Hangzhou if your diary permits. It's less than an hour from Shanghai Hongqiao airport (SHA) via CRH train.

There's nothing 'random' at all about Hangzhou. For me, it illustrates more about China and Chinese culture than either Shanghai or Beijing. That it's just an hours train trip from the former, and whose railway station is 1 km from the airport, is even more reason to visit, it my opinion.

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Cheers

B-2319


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