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Topic: Google Plans To Build New Hangar At SJC
Username: boeing773ER
Posted 2013-02-08 14:22:45 and read 9611 times.

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Google plans to build an $82 Million dollar private hangar at SJC airport for their own private use.

It is planned to house 8 Jets of their top 3 executives, which one includes a 767.

Topic: RE: Google Plans To Build New Hangar At SJC
Username: 26point2
Posted 2013-02-08 14:28:43 and read 9577 times.

Any idea what is happening with the Google Moffett Field hangar lease? Perhaps it's coming to an end.

Wonder where the new complex will be built at KSJC. Old and no longer used Long Term Lot is my guess.

Topic: RE: Google Plans To Build New Hangar At SJC
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2013-02-08 15:21:18 and read 9390 times.

There's plenty of room for a large hangar for Google.

Topic: RE: Google Plans To Build New Hangar At SJC
Username: COSPN
Posted 2013-02-08 16:01:12 and read 9265 times.

Did SJC lift the Curfew ??

Why would google want to put planes at SJC when they can operate 24/7 at Moffet Field or someplace else ?? Or did SJC now becme a 24 Hour airport ??

Topic: RE: Google Plans To Build New Hangar At SJC
Username: Humanitarian
Posted 2013-02-08 16:08:24 and read 9224 times.

Quoting COSPN (Reply 3):
Why would google want to put planes at SJC when they can operate 24/7 at Moffet Field or someplace else ??

Because they are likely to be asked to leave Moffett sometime in the future. Also, the aircraft owners and Google go to great lengths to say these aircraft having nothing to do with Google. They are privately owned by the two founders and former CEO of Google. Btw, I believe these three guys still own the majority of Google stock.

Topic: RE: Google Plans To Build New Hangar At SJC
Username: as739x
Posted 2013-02-09 00:41:42 and read 8814 times.

Quoting COSPN (Reply 3):
Did SJC lift the Curfew ??

Why would google want to put planes at SJC when they can operate 24/7 at Moffet Field or someplace else ?? Or did SJC now becme a 24 Hour airport

Very, very loose curfew rules. There are minimal issue's arriving after curfew and I believe a small fine to depart after curfew.

Topic: RE: Google Plans To Build New Hangar At SJC
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-02-09 01:14:32 and read 8763 times.

Hmmm let me guess, it's going to be made of chrome?   

Quoting COSPN (Reply 3):
Did SJC lift the Curfew ??

I thought private jets were exempt from the curfew?

Topic: RE: Google Plans To Build New Hangar At SJC
Username: warden145
Posted 2013-02-09 01:20:55 and read 8743 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):
I thought private jets were exempt from the curfew?

I was just about to post saying that they aren't, but then I found this in a Google search:

Noise,not Size:San Jose Changes Curfew Policy (by Gamps Oct 14 2003 in Civil Aviation)

Topic: RE: Google Plans To Build New Hangar At SJC
Username: b764
Posted 2013-02-09 04:50:55 and read 7878 times.

Besides the 767, anyone know the makeup of the Google fleet? I know in the past there were a few G-Vs.

Topic: RE: Google Plans To Build New Hangar At SJC
Username: 26point2
Posted 2013-02-09 07:42:00 and read 6835 times.

Google made a pitch to pay for refurbishment of the iconic old Moffett Field dirigible hangar built to house the US Navy Macon airship. In return Google would lease part of hangar for their fleet. Evidently terms could not be agreed to so Google looked elsewhere for a secure long term lease. Seems things where difficult partly because Moffett is a US Government/NASA facility who wouldn't commit to a long term solution.

Signature is building a new FBO at KSJC and the Google folks are joining that venture.

Topic: RE: Google Plans To Build New Hangar At SJC
Username: eclipseflight7
Posted 2013-02-09 08:12:55 and read 6569 times.

San Jose's development came at the right time with Moffett's relatively hostile response to infrastructure development. That's some significant capital going into SJC, and it's creating value for SJC, Google, and Signature, more than the empty lots had before. The losers are the lease holders of Blue City Holdings current facilities, and Atlantic also loses a sole source location.

Topic: RE: Google Plans To Build New Hangar At SJC
Username: warden145
Posted 2013-02-09 12:31:39 and read 4824 times.

Quoting b764 (Reply 8):
Besides the 767, anyone know the makeup of the Google fleet? I know in the past there were a few G-Vs.

I can't say how I know this, but they have one Boeing 767 and one Boeing 757. I don't know about the rest of their fleet.

Quoting 26point2 (Reply 9):
Signature is building a new FBO at KSJC and the Google folks are joining that venture.

I heard something about this on the news last night, but they didn't say where on the field Signature's FBO's going to be. Does anyone know for sure? I'm hoping it's going to be on the west side somewhere near Atlantic...

Topic: RE: Google Plans To Build New Hangar At SJC
Username: 71Zulu
Posted 2013-02-09 12:39:26 and read 4748 times.

Quoting as739x (Reply 5):
Very, very loose curfew rules. There are minimal issue's arriving after curfew and I believe a small fine to depart after curfew.

Would the 49ers be able to get around the curfew? I have seen them use SFO in the wee hours of the morning but then last night this AS flight landed at 1:45am. Is it because the AS flight was running late?


http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...2/history/20130209/0045Z/PHOG/KSJC

Topic: RE: Google Plans To Build New Hangar At SJC
Username: warden145
Posted 2013-02-09 12:43:33 and read 4713 times.

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 12):
last night this AS flight landed at 1:45am. Is it because the AS flight was running late?

In my experience, it's not uncommon to see a delayed flight landing past curfew. OTOH, I've also seen short flights that were running late and ended up being cancelled because they were going to land after curfew (a US PHX-SJC flight I was waiting for a few years back comes to mind). I would venture to guess that the distance of the flight has an effect i.e. a Hawaii or a transcon (one of the few that's left) that's projecting to land after curfew will still take off, whereas a short flight will just cancel instead.

Topic: RE: Google Plans To Build New Hangar At SJC
Username: eclipseflight7
Posted 2013-02-09 12:48:24 and read 4655 times.

Quoting warden145 (Reply 11):
I heard something about this on the news last night, but they didn't say where on the field Signature's FBO's going to be. Does anyone know for sure? I'm hoping it's going to be on the west side somewhere near Atlantic..

SJC put up two sections for bid, the area north of Atlantic and the area south of Atlantic and the other hangar complex that would've demolished the area where the GA aircraft hangars are now. Based on the designs shown and the scope of the project, Signature are taking the area north of Atlantic. There is another parcel farther north that I believe is being reserved for future development.

Topic: RE: Google Plans To Build New Hangar At SJC
Username: warden145
Posted 2013-02-09 13:08:04 and read 4506 times.

Quoting eclipseflight7 (Reply 14):
SJC put up two sections for bid, the area north of Atlantic and the area south of Atlantic and the other hangar complex that would've demolished the area where the GA aircraft hangars are now. Based on the designs shown and the scope of the project, Signature are taking the area north of Atlantic. There is another parcel farther north that I believe is being reserved for future development.

Thank you! I'm guessing the two parcels you're talking about are the two old long-term lots (AFAIK they're not being used anymore) along Martin north of Brokaw? I wonder if they'll extend Aviation to connect it to the Martin/Brokaw intersection while they're at it?

Topic: RE: Google Plans To Build New Hangar At SJC
Username: JetBlueGuy2006
Posted 2013-02-09 13:34:10 and read 4329 times.

The drawings are impressive:

http://www.flysanjose.com/fl/about/n..._releases/Signature_Renderings.pdf

Topic: RE: Google Plans To Build New Hangar At SJC
Username: LimaNiner
Posted 2013-02-09 13:49:07 and read 4209 times.

Bummer -- they could practically bike from their homes to Moffett, now they have to take 101, which sucks when there's traffic.  

Topic: RE: Google Plans To Build New Hangar At SJC
Username: warden145
Posted 2013-02-09 14:24:23 and read 3939 times.

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 16):
The drawings are impressive:

http://www.flysanjose.com/fl/about/n..._releases/Signature_Renderings.pdf

Thank you for the file...HOLY MARY, they're getting ambitious! This will put Signature's SFO ops to shame...are they going to run the two stations concurrently, or are they thinking of ditching SFO in favor of SJC? (it would surprise me if they ditched SFO, but given how big this operation's proposed to be, I can't help but wonder)

As long as the SJC station has fresh-baked chocolate chip cookies like SFO usually does...   

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 16):
Bummer -- they could practically bike from their homes to Moffett, now they have to take 101, which sucks when there's traffic.

There's always Central Expressway or the 280...for that matter, depending on where they live, the 280 might be a better bet in any event...

Topic: RE: Google Plans To Build New Hangar At SJC
Username: COSPN
Posted 2013-02-09 16:44:06 and read 3732 times.

So what was all the fuss about Oracle CEO Larry Ellison flying in late to SJC and paying huge fines or denided landing and having to go elsewhere??

from wikipedia.org

Ellison is a licensed pilot who has owned several aircraft. He was cited by the City of San Jose, California, for violating its limits on late-night takeoffs and landings from San Jose Mineta International Airport by planes weighing more than 75,000 pounds (34 019 kg). In January 2000, Ellison sued over the interpretation of the airport rule, contending that his Gulfstream V "plane is certified by the manufacturer to fly at two weights: 75,000 pounds, and at 90,000 pounds, for heavier loads or long flights requiring more fuel. But the pilot only lands the plane in San Jose when it weighs 75,000 pounds or less, and has the logs to prove it..."[39] U.S. District Judge Jeremy Fogel ruled over the matter in June 2001, calling for a waiver for Ellison's jet, but did not invalidate the curfew.[40]



I just remeber in my mind "ok add SJU to the NIMBY list like BUR"

[Edited 2013-02-09 17:00:13]

Topic: RE: Google Plans To Build New Hangar At SJC
Username: DiamondFlyer
Posted 2013-02-09 17:14:23 and read 3679 times.

Quoting 26point2 (Reply 9):
Google made a pitch to pay for refurbishment of the iconic old Moffett Field dirigible hangar built to house the US Navy Macon airship. In return Google would lease part of hangar for their fleet. Evidently terms could not be agreed to so Google looked elsewhere for a secure long term lease. Seems things where difficult partly because Moffett is a US Government/NASA facility who wouldn't commit to a long term solution.

This is probably the beginning of the end for Moffett. Which is a shame, because that airship hangar could be valuable in the future. Yes, they still have the wooden airship hangars, but the rigid hangar is resource that once gone, will never come back. And without some external covering, I don't see it lasting much longer.

-DiamondFlyer

Topic: RE: Google Plans To Build New Hangar At SJC
Username: eclipseflight7
Posted 2013-02-09 18:56:18 and read 3562 times.

Quoting warden145 (Reply 15):
Thank you! I'm guessing the two parcels you're talking about are the two old long-term lots (AFAIK they're not being used anymore) along Martin north of Brokaw? I wonder if they'll extend Aviation to connect it to the Martin/Brokaw intersection while they're at it?

I didn't see street names, but those were the areas clearly marked in the RFP. I think this is taking another 1/3 of the west side of the airport, but I know it was adjacent to Atlanic.

Quoting warden145 (Reply 18):
Thank you for the file...HOLY MARY, they're getting ambitious! This will put Signature's SFO ops to shame...are they going to run the two stations concurrently, or are they thinking of ditching SFO in favor of SJC? (it would surprise me if they ditched SFO, but given how big this operation's proposed to be, I can't help but wonder)

As long as the SJC station has fresh-baked chocolate chip cookies like SFO usually does

If you want to see ambitious, look at Signatures renderings for the new Luton. SFO isn't going anywhere, because network matters, and no company will willingly give up a sole source location at a major airport.

Those cookies are at every location, and they're baked after lunch daily. Although they might catch your game if you happen to wander in for desert everyday.

Topic: RE: Google Plans To Build New Hangar At SJC
Username: aal151heavy
Posted 2013-02-09 21:17:30 and read 3441 times.

Quoting b764 (Reply 8):
Besides the 767, anyone know the makeup of the Google fleet? I know in the past there were a few G-Vs.

Here are some of them, including one with a fake Netjets "QS" reg.


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Here is an investigative report done by one of the local TV stations about the google fleet using Moffett Field:

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/tech/150386125.html

Topic: RE: Google Plans To Build New Hangar At SJC
Username: as739x
Posted 2013-02-10 00:31:41 and read 3273 times.

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 12):
Would the 49ers be able to get around the curfew? I have seen them use SFO in the wee hours of the morning but then last night this AS flight landed at 1:45am. Is it because the AS flight was running late?

Yes, there were no issues this season when the Niners returned from late East coast games. The only issue I could see is coming back from playing the rare International game. Years back, the Niners returned from MEX (2005 I believe) and needed to use SFO due to Customs.

As you can see in your example with the AS flight there are no real issues arriving after curfew.

Topic: RE: Google Plans To Build New Hangar At SJC
Username: warden145
Posted 2013-02-10 03:03:13 and read 3186 times.

Quoting eclipseflight7 (Reply 21):
If you want to see ambitious, look at Signatures renderings for the new Luton. SFO isn't going anywhere, because network matters, and no company will willingly give up a sole source location at a major airport.

Those cookies are at every location, and they're baked after lunch daily. Although they might catch your game if you happen to wander in for desert everyday.

Like I said, I would be surprised if they were to leave SFO, particularly considering that for all practical purposes they're the only FBO at SFO...just, with plans for such a large station so close by, the question had to be asked.  

Re: the cookies, I don't go to Signature unless I'm picking someone up there (however, given the nature of my work, that's a fairly regular occurrence). Depending on who's on duty at the front desk at SFO, sometimes I get dirty looks, but when a plane gets delayed and I'm required to be on location, it's a much better place to wait than Terminal 3-F   

Topic: RE: Google Plans To Build New Hangar At SJC
Username: bthebest
Posted 2013-02-11 07:49:46 and read 2805 times.

OP is a bit misleading. Google aren't building the hanger, SJC are and have given the contract to Signature. Operations won't be limited to Google jets - although they will clearly be a prime customer.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-at-silicon-valley-airport-382125/


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