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Topic: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: vectismanpaul
Posted 2012-11-03 03:48:10 and read 26906 times.

I was just wondering if anyone had any more news about BA route developments for Summer 2013 at London Gatwick.
I am aware that Manchester is stopping and Amsterdam is reduced from 26 to 22. I also know that Barcelona and Alicante are being introduced 3 times daily each. A reliable source on here last week indicated that 2 new short haul routes would be announced very soon. Any ideas what they might be? I also heard a rumour that there could be a couple of long haul 'tag ons' too.
I don't want the thread to become a debate about pros and cons of having a base at Gatwick but just to concentrate on BA Gatwick News including aircraft, routes etc....
Hopefully the thread will become informative!!
I look forward to reading your inputs.
V.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: jet72uk
Posted 2012-11-03 04:50:11 and read 26798 times.

The two short haul route announcements have been delayed but they will happen. Not heard of any long haul apart from CMB.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: rutankrd
Posted 2012-11-03 04:53:11 and read 26773 times.

http://www.thebasource.com

Useful enthusiast site for ALL things BA related

Just bookmark it

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: AIR MALTA
Posted 2012-11-03 05:58:25 and read 26556 times.

Quoting jet72uk (Reply 1):
The two short haul route announcements have been delayed but they will happen.

Is there any chance one of them would be Malta. KM has reduced their flights to LGW so may be BA could take over some of them.

Generally speaking, BA is a bit weaker than LH, AF or KL for European flights due to constraints in LHR or LGW. I think they should share codes with the likes of KM, JU or JP if they do not serve their respective countries. It would add more feed to BA's longhaul and shorthaul flights.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: timboflier215
Posted 2012-11-03 06:02:10 and read 26552 times.

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 3):

With easyJet flying from LGW to Malta, I think it unlikely BA would see enough yield to justify the route. Happy to be proved wrong though.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: kaitak
Posted 2012-11-03 08:03:36 and read 26281 times.

Heard a rumour that some of BA Cityflyer's Embraer 190s might go to LGW, ultimately replacing the 734s and thus removing BA mainline from shorthaul at Gatwick.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: capri
Posted 2012-11-03 08:15:01 and read 26223 times.

It's more likely will be CMN in summer, they have suspended it by now from LHR, but it will come back as there is also a demand in the summer for TNG also, so keep watching for these 2 routes

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: santos
Posted 2012-11-03 09:02:14 and read 25866 times.

Quoting capri (Reply 6):
It's more likely will be CMN in summer, they have suspended it by now from LHR, but it will come back as there is also a demand in the summer for TNG also, so keep watching for these 2 routes

Air Arabia Morocco started this 2 routes only last week, so probably not on BA priority list, as CMN wasn't a good performer for BD.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: timboflier215
Posted 2012-11-03 09:18:00 and read 25772 times.

As an aside, how big was LGW for BA at it's height? How many a/c based, how many routes etc?

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: vectismanpaul
Posted 2012-11-03 09:21:23 and read 25763 times.

Kaitak wrote:

'Heard a rumour that some of BA Cityflyer's Embraer 190s might go to LGW, ultimately replacing the 734s and thus removing BA mainline from shorthaul at Gatwick.'
In my opinion unlikely owing to BA agreement with BALPA re use of aircraft with less than 100 seats out of LGW or LHR. This does not mean, I believe, that BA Mainline cannot order/operate EMB 195s but would need to do so with more than 100 seats. Flybe operates theirs with 118 seats. However I have been informed that Gatwick handling charges are more favourable for aircraft with 150 plus seats. (interesting that easyjet A319s have a 156 capacity)
However some routes would suit a 114 to 118 seater (Maybe Manchester route may have survived with this capacity aircraft). However in Summer months demand is high on some routes in both Club and Economy cabins. Also some routes such as Paphos would need the A319/A320 or the 737.

V.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: jet72uk
Posted 2012-11-03 14:33:02 and read 24086 times.

Not MLA unfortunately.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: AIR MALTA
Posted 2012-11-04 04:21:18 and read 22214 times.

Quoting jet72uk (Reply 10):
Not MLA unfortunately.

So you know what the destinations are... any hint? old GB airways destinations?

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: AIR MALTA
Posted 2012-11-06 04:46:19 and read 21573 times.

Excellent news. BA was always remoured to start those 2 destinations from LGW.

I however feel that there is room for more new routes out of LGW especially considering BA is closing MAN, reduing AMS and some other routes. These 2 new routes will only take a 734 from 13:00 onwards. I think the cancellation of MAN and AMS reduction might have freed up one entire 734.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: ba319-131
Posted 2012-11-06 05:16:03 and read 21570 times.

Quoting vectismanpaul (Reply 9):
'Heard a rumour that some of BA Cityflyer's Embraer 190s might go to LGW, ultimately replacing the 734s and thus removing BA mainline from shorthaul at Gatwick.'

- With no additional 190's on order, I don't think this holds much water, these machines are needed @ LCY.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: capri
Posted 2012-11-06 05:27:46 and read 21563 times.

it's good for the crew reducing their daily sectors

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: richardw
Posted 2012-11-06 06:26:26 and read 21565 times.

My guess for the morning rotation is PMI and MAH.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: AIR MALTA
Posted 2012-11-06 06:34:44 and read 21565 times.

Quoting capri (Reply 15):
My guess for the morning rotation is PMI and MAH.

PMI was previously served from LGW and discontinued....

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: ba319-131
Posted 2012-11-06 06:35:20 and read 21570 times.

Quoting richardw (Reply 16):
My guess for the morning rotation is PMI

- They used to operate to PMI x LGW before, used the service myself, full on all flights.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: richardw
Posted 2012-11-06 06:41:32 and read 21562 times.

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 17):
PMI was previously served from LGW and discontinued....

Same as BCN, GOA and NCE then!

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: AIR MALTA
Posted 2012-11-06 06:47:15 and read 21558 times.

Quoting richardw (Reply 19):

Got me there, lol! You're right then... PMI and MAH could be a possibility...

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: acelanzarote
Posted 2012-11-06 06:57:04 and read 21567 times.

See BA are starting LGW-ACE every Thursday from next April...so presume LPA/TFS also likely?
The ACE flight is showing a 737 when doing a booking.
Hope it works out...nice.
Keith

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: AIR MALTA
Posted 2012-11-06 08:40:56 and read 21564 times.

ACE is every Thursday and Sunday while TPS gets the service the other days.

Thinking about other Spanish routes, I was wondering why BA isn't using Vueling as a partner where Vueling would operate routes to Gatwick from let's say VLC, PMI, SVQ, MAH, BIO, etc with BA sharing codes on those services. It might be a smart move to put pressure on U2 at LGW.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: seansasLCY
Posted 2012-11-06 09:06:34 and read 21562 times.

Just to clarify as my post was deleted. BA are launching Lanzarote (twice weekly) and Tenerife South (5 Weekly).

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: jet72uk
Posted 2012-11-06 09:23:14 and read 21560 times.

There you go. Not overly exciting but new routes none the less.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: AIR MALTA
Posted 2012-11-07 01:28:32 and read 21559 times.

Quoting jet72uk (Reply 23):
There you go. Not overly exciting but new routes none the less.

What is for strange is that BA does not make big announcement about its shorthaul routes... The routes are already on sale but we did not hear anything from them.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: seansasLCY
Posted 2012-11-07 04:16:19 and read 21855 times.

Apparently San Juan has been dropped. BA cite they are optimising their network.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: GSTBA
Posted 2012-11-07 04:45:23 and read 21913 times.

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 24):
What is for strange is that BA does not make big announcement about its shorthaul routes... The routes are already on sale but we did not hear anything from them.

Big announcements about routes, aircraft orders etc are usually made as part of the quarterly financial results.

Q3 results are due on Friday so expect any further announcements then

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: AIR MALTA
Posted 2012-11-07 05:10:34 and read 22305 times.

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 26):
Big announcements about routes, aircraft orders etc are usually made as part of the quarterly financial results.

Q3 results are due on Friday so expect any further announcements then

Good, looking forward to that... I think the whole short haul operation at LGW should be rethought. BA should consider offering some BoB ontop of its actual catering offering. On some short routes, sandwiches or full english breakfasts should be available for sale ontop of the actual crisps or croissant (except for the Scottish routes). I would gladely buy a full English Breakfast on top of my croissant on a flight from Gatwick to Tunis if that was possible.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: GSTBA
Posted 2012-11-07 05:41:44 and read 22344 times.

BA have already announced a number of changes to LGW's S13 shorthaul operation. Only some of these changes are shown in this post. So I thought I would post a list of the changes that have been made so far The comparisons below are to BA's S12 operation.

Shorthaul

Alicante - NEW for the S13 season. Flights will operate 17 x Weekly until the end of June then will increase to 3 x daily

Arrecife - NEW 2 x weekly service for S13

Amsterdam - Overall frequency reduced from 26 to 22 x weekly

Barcelona - NEW 3 x daily service for S13

Bologna - Route transfered to LHR. Operated up to 3 x daily S12

Edinburgh - Overall frequency reduced from 4 x daily to 26 x weekly.

Faro - Increases from daily to 8 x weekly

Glasgow - Overall frequency reduced from 27 to 25 x weekly

Jersey - Overall frequency reduced from 35 to 34 x weekly

Manchester - Route cancelled from start of S13. Flights operated 3 x daily during S12

Marrakech - Overall frequency increased 3 x weekly to daily compared to S13.

Marseille - Route transfered to LHR. Operated up to 3 x daily S12

Naples - Will reduce from 3 to 2 x daily.

Pristina - Route will not operate S13. Flights operated up to 4 x weekly S12.

Rome - Will increase from 10 x weekly to 2 x daily

Salzburg - Operational days in S13. 4 x weekly S12 frequency maintained

Tenerife - NEW 5 x weekly service for S13

Thessaloniki - Operational days in S13. 4 x weekly S12 frequency maintained

Tirana - Overall frequency reduced from 5 to 4 x weekly. Route will also operational day changes.

Tunis - Operational day changes. 5 x weekly frequency maintained for S13.

Further S13 operational changes are likely in the weeks and months to come

Fleet Deployment

At present all S13 flights are showing as being operated by 737-400 aircraft. A update to the LGW fleet deployment for S13 is expected in the weeks ahead. BA are expected to temporarily transfer 4 or possibly even 5 Airbus aircraft to LGW for S13 season.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: Candid76
Posted 2012-11-07 06:02:50 and read 22315 times.

Just booked a round trip to Gatwick from MAN for the end of November, a route I've used quite often. Who knows when I may fly into LGW again, or even BA again as LHR is of little use to me. Pity really

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: GSTBA
Posted 2012-11-07 06:12:19 and read 22331 times.

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 27):
I think the whole short haul operation at LGW should be rethought. BA should consider offering some BoB ontop of its actual catering offering. On some short routes, sandwiches or full english breakfasts should be available for sale ontop of the actual crisps or croissant (except for the Scottish routes). I would gladely buy a full English Breakfast on top of my croissant on a flight from Gatwick to Tunis if that was possible.

BA conducts a survey of pax at the end of each flight. BA at the end of each flight sends a email to 10 randomly selcted pax to ask them to complete the survey. Last summer this survey was carried out on all LGW short haul flights. The survey found last summer that over 90% were either satisfied or extremely satisfied with the current domestic and Euro Traveller cabin service offering. This result dropped to 70% for CE. BA are unlikely to change the ET or domestic product at LGW based on these results.

BA have tried a BOB service in the past. This was on BA Connect. BA found that they lost more money than they made and found it difficult to predict pax demand for sandwiches and hot meals. I think that as a alternative BA should give pax the option of being able to order and pay for a hot meal on line for pax traveling in ET and on domestic services. This option also means that there would be no wastage.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: AIR MALTA
Posted 2012-11-07 06:52:54 and read 22276 times.

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 30):
I think that as a alternative BA should give pax the option of being able to order and pay for a hot meal on line for pax traveling in ET and on domestic services. This option also means that there would be no wastage.

This could also be a nice idea... Sort of buying a meal upgrade when you book your flight. I am sure the full English Breakfast would work well for routes under 3 hours (except Scottish routes). Other options for Lunch or Dinner should be introduced as well as having the option to buy a bottle of champagne for birthdays or honeymoons. Ultimately, BA needs to do something to increase revenues otherwise,LGw shorthaul could be thing of the past in a few years time.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: APYu
Posted 2012-11-07 11:23:23 and read 22281 times.

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 30):

If the BA Survey showed such a high level of satisfaction then why are they now increasing the on board offering by offering complimentary wraps and half wraps and then like on the European sectors? I doubt they are doing it as a good will gesture.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: AIR MALTA
Posted 2012-11-07 11:32:15 and read 22278 times.

Quoting APYu (Reply 32):
If the BA Survey showed such a high level of satisfaction then why are they now increasing the on board offering by offering complimentary wraps and half wraps and then like on the European sectors? I doubt they are doing it as a good will gesture.

What is the new catering offering on BA shourthaul now?

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: GSTBA
Posted 2012-11-07 12:21:59 and read 22298 times.

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 31):
Ultimately, BA needs to do something to increase revenues otherwise,LGw shorthaul could be thing of the past in a few years time.

I have to disagree if anything the short haul operation will be bigger in a few years time.

The LGW managing director and her team have over the last 18 months have been working hard on a program of measures designed to reduce LGW's cost base and make the operation viable. The 1st of October saw the implementation of the final part of the cost reduction program with all ramp and ground handling being transfered to the handling agent Swissport.

Have heard this week that the BA board are now expected to approve a order for new aircraft to replace the LGW 737 fleet early in the new year if not before.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: BAW217
Posted 2012-11-07 12:22:39 and read 22305 times.

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 33):
What is the new catering offering on BA shourthaul now?

Have a look here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...ing-guide-winter-2012-13-beta.html

Improvement in Euro Traveller and slight amendments to Club Europe. Catering is still done by Do&Co with DHL doing the logistics.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: anstar
Posted 2012-11-07 12:23:52 and read 22296 times.

Quoting seansasLCY (Reply 25):
Apparently San Juan has been dropped. BA cite they are optimising their network.
Quoting GSTBA (Reply 34):
Have heard this week that the BA board are now expected to approve a order for new aircraft to replace the LGW 737 fleet early in the new year if not before.

Hopefully they do as gthe BA aircraft are far infrerior the the mian competitior at LGW (Easyjet).

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: cslusarc
Posted 2012-11-07 13:15:43 and read 22382 times.

I'd like to see BA move over some narrow-body 734s to the EC operating certificate and base them at ORY while further developing ORY as a OneWorld focus city.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: bluesky73
Posted 2012-11-07 14:44:18 and read 22393 times.

Scrapping MAN and then all the flights back to the Spanish and Canary Islands is reminds me of them heading back to British Airtours days, is this a slight shift back to these popular destinations?

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: AIR MALTA
Posted 2012-11-08 02:36:33 and read 22324 times.

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 34):
Have heard this week that the BA board are now expected to approve a order for new aircraft to replace the LGW 737 fleet early in the new year if not before.

I hope this happen but the most probable is for BA to order more Airbuses deliver them at LHR and move the older ones to LGW. That way, operating costs for LGW will always be lower.

I still feel BA should have at least one daily rotation from LGW to PAR, BRU, MAN to connect to Longhaul routes out of LGW.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: VV701
Posted 2012-11-08 06:22:58 and read 22308 times.

BA ae cutting the add-on ANU-SJU flight (BA2157/56) from the start of the 2013 Summer Timetable.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2012-11-08 09:20:31 and read 22260 times.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 40):
BA ae cutting the add-on ANU-SJU flight (BA2157/56) from the start of the 2013 Summer Timetable.

Are they dropping San Juan entirely then or is it being attached to another add on?

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2012-11-08 09:23:37 and read 22282 times.

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 39):
I still feel BA should have at least one daily rotation from LGW to PAR, BRU, MAN to connect to Longhaul routes out of LGW.

That would mean over-nighting an aircraft abroad for a single rotation per day to feed a long haul that's focussed on former British possesions and colonies for the most part. I doubt a business destination as the above is viable on a single daily feeding 100% of traffic onto long haul. That's not a viable proposition.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: AIR MALTA
Posted 2012-11-08 09:25:37 and read 22269 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 41):
Are they dropping San Juan entirely then or is it being attached to another add on?

They are dropping it entirely!

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: trintocan
Posted 2012-11-08 13:57:30 and read 22269 times.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 40):

BA ae cutting the add-on ANU-SJU flight (BA2157/56) from the start of the 2013 Summer Timetable.

This is the second time that SJU has been cut by BA in around a decade and the second Caribbean destination to have been cut twice in a comparable time period (the first was MBJ, axed earlier this year). It appears that the SJU route was largely flown to serve it as a tourist destination and, more notably, to allow access to cruises departing from there. The trouble is that most Caribbean cruises used by British travellers have traditionally departed from BGI or MIA / FLL - and in particular flying into MIA (FLL not having direct UK flights) offers a lower rate of APD. SJU based cruises mostly cater to the American market. It's a pity though that SJU is going.

So BA are returning to TFS and ACE. Is there any chance of PMI coming back?

Trintocan.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2012-11-08 15:08:03 and read 22238 times.

I understand that the APD is excessive to the Carribbean in comparison to the US, which is why SJU and MBJ were dropped by BA and PUJ and KIN were dropped by VS. This is also partly why BA are launching LGW-LAS instead.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: richardw
Posted 2012-11-09 02:20:35 and read 22209 times.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 40):
BA ae cutting the add-on ANU-SJU flight (BA2157/56)

Will BA do anything with the increased efficiency of the aircraft utilisation LGW-ANU-LGW gives?

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: AIR MALTA
Posted 2012-11-09 07:14:06 and read 22182 times.

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 26):
Big announcements about routes, aircraft orders etc are usually made as part of the quarterly financial results.

Q3 results are due on Friday so expect any further announcements then

So far we did not hear anything except all the Iberia drama.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: LHRFlyer
Posted 2012-11-09 07:50:22 and read 22197 times.

Will be interesting to see whether Vueling fits into this.

"IAG will seek to develop a “more aggressive” plan for operations at Gatwick, a focus for leisure flights and point-to- point services that don’t link up with long-haul operations."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-1...0-spanish-jobs-on-profit-fall.html

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: mutu
Posted 2012-11-09 08:54:57 and read 22177 times.

Quoting richardw (Reply 46):
Will BA do anything with the increased efficiency of the aircraft utilisation LGW-ANU-LGW gives?

I think it was only a once a week tag on anyway? Not really a big issue

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: readytotaxi
Posted 2012-11-09 09:25:48 and read 22268 times.

Very pleased to see a BA Club Europe again to TFS, April is offering a £488 return,quite reasonable and good timings.  

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: richardw
Posted 2012-11-09 09:26:34 and read 22229 times.

If the loss of a tag impoves the utilisation of a wide-body aircraft to two sectors within a 24 hour period or better, once per week, 52 weeks in a year, it is worth something.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: vectismanpaul
Posted 2012-11-10 00:23:14 and read 22314 times.

Many thanks to all for contributing to this thread. A very interesting read.
Interesting to hear Willie Walsh say yesterday that 'IAG will seek to develop a “more aggressive” plan for operations at Gatwick, a focus for leisure flights and point-to- point services that don’t link up with long-haul operations' Looks like there is more to come for BA Gatwick. Also on one slide shown at the results presentation yesterday it was said that Gatwick's cost base had been reduced to that of lower cost operators which will bode well for further expansion and newer aircraft.
Great to see Tenerife and Arrecife back. Maybe Palma, Madrid and others to follow. Also during summer there may be demand for higher yield passengers flying to such places as Corsica-just me speculating!! Fort Lauderdale has often been mentined too as another long haul possibility. Interesting times ahead.
Keep the news and views coming.
Thanks again
V.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: trintocan
Posted 2012-11-10 01:56:33 and read 22308 times.

Quoting richardw (Reply 46):
Will BA do anything with the increased efficiency of the aircraft utilisation LGW-ANU-LGW gives?

I recall reading that the flight will go on to UVF instead, thus ensuring that both UVF and ANU remain daily. UVF will have 6 weekly nonstops to / from LGW, with 5 continuing to POS and one to GND, plus the once-weekly LGW via ANU.

Trintocan.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: vectismanpaul
Posted 2012-11-10 02:49:52 and read 22306 times.

Any news yet about another operating taking up the Manchester-Gatwick route? I do believe there is a market out there despite the trains!!
BA services to Manchester this Winter from Gatwick are actually more business friendly on key days of the weeks allowing full working days in both cities. Would be great if this lead to better yield and to BA rethinking their plan to axe the service. I suppose I am finding idea of no Gatwick Manchester service difficult to get used to!! Been using it since the BCAL days in the late 70s!! (I was merely a baby then of course!!)

V.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: heebeegb
Posted 2012-11-10 02:50:09 and read 22300 times.

vectismanpaul

" Also on one slide shown at the results presentation yesterday it was said that Gatwick's cost base had been reduced to that of lower cost operators which will bode well for further expansion and newer aircraft. "

Do you have a link to your source?

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: vectismanpaul
Posted 2012-11-10 03:00:54 and read 22287 times.

Hi there
Follow this link and then download The Capital Markets Day Presentation 2012.
The comments re Gatwick were made on a webcast that I have been unable to download but listened too. If anyone has a download for the webcast or the analysts question and answer session I would be grateful.

http://www.iagshares.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=240949&p=irol-presentations

Thanks V.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: VV701
Posted 2012-11-10 09:59:25 and read 22305 times.

On Slide 60 of last Thursday's IAG Capital Markets Day 2012 presentation accessible here:

http://www.iagshares.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=240949&p=irol-presentations

IAG said

"Good progress to secure a competitive cost base - we now have a core cost base at LCC levels at Gatwick"

This could certainly explain why BA are launching new holiday destinations that many of us thought they had surrendered to the likes of U2..

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2012-11-10 15:51:53 and read 22310 times.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 57):
"Good progress to secure a competitive cost base - we now have a core cost base at LCC levels at Gatwick"

R U B B I S H

They still have many more times the customer services staff on the books than easyJet who outsource *all* handling.
Spin, spin, spin, however they are getting there, however let's not overstate the case(!)

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: VV701
Posted 2012-11-10 17:39:35 and read 22245 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 58):
Spin, spin, spin, however they are getting there, however let's not overstate the case(!)

We do not know the spoken words at the presentation when this slide was on the screen. But if you consider their words 'good progress' and 'core' and your words 'getting there' there may not be so very much difference between your and their view that you might at first have thought.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: by738
Posted 2012-11-11 06:07:19 and read 22258 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 58):
R U B B I S H

They still have many more times the customer services staff on the books than easyJet who outsource *all* handling.
Spin, spin, spin, however they are getting there, however let's not overstate the case(!)

Someone really has an exaggerated bee in their bonnet about BA at LGW....

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2012-11-11 10:10:40 and read 22244 times.

Oh not at all. I think a dose of reality is needed in business. British Airways do not, and cannot have a loco or near loco cost structure. Lounge access and customer service staff and the fact they sell connecting flights prevents that.
I enjoy using BA at LGW although with the demise of MAN-LGW, I will be using them less.
The raison d'etre of short haul appears to be as a focus of Avios redemption.

That's not loco either. However thanks for your invaluable contribution, as ever it was, well it was posted.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: richardw
Posted 2012-11-12 02:33:08 and read 22179 times.

Quoting vectismanpaul (Reply 52):
....during summer there may be demand for higher yield passengers flying to such places as Corsica-...

Corsica was a Sunday morning rotation with GT and is with U2

London Gatwick to Corsica (Bastia)
Dep Sun, 16 June 2013 06:20
Arr Sun, 16 June 2013 09:35
Flight 8735

Corsica (Bastia) to London Gatwick
Dep Sun, 23 June 2013 10:05
Arr Sun, 23 June 2013 11:15
Flight 8736

so would be easy for BA to drop a rotation to a poor performing destination on a Sunday morning and replace it with BIA.

Although some of the former GT passengers on this route may have already migrated to Titan Airways' charter service from STN and won't go back to BA.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: heebeegb
Posted 2012-11-12 03:28:51 and read 22170 times.

BA operated Bastia charters from LHR this summer on Saturdays

BA9238/BA9239 London Heathrow – Bastia.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: VV701
Posted 2012-11-13 07:27:24 and read 22147 times.

Quoting heebeegb (Reply 63):
BA9238/BA9239 London Heathrow – Bastia

This flight was operated for Mark Warner Holidays on nineteen Saturdays last summer. The first flight was on 26 May, the last on 29 September.

This was but one of seven different Saturday charter flight series operated by BA out of LHR last summer either for Mark Warner Holidays (two to RHO, one to each of BJV and CAG as well as to BIA) and for Sardatur Holidays (to CAG and OLB). The final two flights from these seven series were operated on 3 November to BJV and RHO.

These flights had the advantage over any additional weekend flights from LGW in that they were oprerated on a day of relatively low aircraft utilisation for the LHR fleet. So they did not require the cancellation of any other flights as has been suggested could happen at LGW. However if operated from LGW there would have been the option of positioning an aircraft from LHR instead of cancelling an LGW flight. But operating direct withouit the positioning flights was obviously the lower cost option.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: jet72uk
Posted 2012-11-14 16:26:13 and read 22117 times.

I can't beleive for a minute that LGW-MAN will not be serviced. Would rather BE over EZY. Maybe EI? Surely a deal was done before BA pulled the plug?

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: AIR MALTA
Posted 2012-11-16 01:38:30 and read 22089 times.

Quoting jet72uk (Reply 65):
I can't beleive for a minute that LGW-MAN will not be serviced. Would rather BE over EZY. Maybe EI? Surely a deal was done before BA pulled the plug?

I can only see BE operating the route, although not highly probable as BE are axing ABZ-LGW soon...

In another development, BA is adding a 5th daily flight to AGP this summer on days 1-34567. Flights depart LGW at around 21:10 and come back at around 03:00 the following day.

FAO gets a second flight on day 3 going to 9 weekly all in all. Flights to LCY are axed.

RAK is going from daily to 5 weekly (12-45-7).

IBZ is going from daily to 9 weekly with additional flights on 5 and 6.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: richardw
Posted 2012-11-16 02:49:39 and read 22050 times.

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 66):
In another development, BA is adding a 5th daily flight to AGP this summer on days 1-34567. Flights depart LGW at around 21:10 and come back at around 03:00 the following day.

What's your source for this please?

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: AIR MALTA
Posted 2012-11-16 02:57:07 and read 22055 times.

Quoting richardw (Reply 67):
What's your source for this please?

BA.com online timetable...

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: richardw
Posted 2012-11-16 03:08:06 and read 22048 times.

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 66):
In another development, BA is adding a 5th daily flight to AGP this summer on days 1-34567. Flights depart LGW at around 21:10 and come back at around 03:00 the following day.

FAO gets a second flight on day 3 going to 9 weekly all in all......

RAK is going from daily to 5 weekly (12-45-7).

IBZ is going from daily to 9 weekly with additional flights on 5 and 6.

Some of this appears to be peak high summer period only.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: joost
Posted 2012-11-16 03:18:23 and read 22161 times.

Quoting anstar (Reply 36):
Hopefully they do as gthe BA aircraft are far infrerior the the mian competitior at LGW (Easyjet).

In what way? I flew G-GBTB and G-DOCY last summer on the AMS-LGW route and found the interior of the airplane very decent. Of course, it wasn't brand new, but it was clean and the seats were nice.

For operating costs, I've heard a couple of times that for short flights (domestic, AMS), the 734 is still a competitive airframe next to the 319 and 320, because of it's low weight: typical OEW for a 734 is 33,200 kgs, A319 40,800kgs and A320 42,600kgs. On longer flights, the superior aerodynamics, engine efficiency and wing span of the A320 make it a more efficient airframe, but on short hops, the 734 isn't that bad at all.

So I expect the A320s to be used on routes like TSF, SKG and TIA first.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2012-11-16 04:13:57 and read 22070 times.

Quoting joost (Reply 70):
So I expect the A320s to be used on routes like TSF, SKG and TIA first.

Don't they get A319s on a summer only basis?

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: vectismanpaul
Posted 2012-11-18 04:34:02 and read 22064 times.

It has been suggested by others that Gatwick will see more A319s from early next year. Anyone got anymore news about this. Pleased to see the recent route announcements and increases in frequency on some routes. I wonder if there are any more announcements to come. Maybe when BA relinquish the slots they have to at Heathrow (as part of BMI takeover conditions) next summer and also using more of those ex BD ones for new long haul flights we may see further changes. Interesting times.
Many thanks for all the news and information provided so far.
V.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: goldcrest
Posted 2012-11-18 05:16:10 and read 22079 times.

Have heard that 6 former BMI A319s will be based at LGW.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: AIR MALTA
Posted 2012-11-18 08:53:19 and read 22067 times.

Quoting goldcrest (Reply 73):
Have heard that 6 former BMI A319s will be based at LGW.

If they use 6 former A319s will that mean more services and routes or will they start retiring some 734s?

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: JerseyFlyer
Posted 2012-11-18 22:38:25 and read 22035 times.

I am surprised IAG has not mandated BA to fly LGW - MAD in order to connect SE England (and CI) markets better with IB international departures from MAD.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: heebeegb
Posted 2012-11-19 07:38:28 and read 22014 times.

I know it was pre-IAG however, when BA used to operate LGW-MAD the number of connections onto IB were very very small

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: vectismanpaul
Posted 2012-11-25 01:22:13 and read 22041 times.

Still very quiet about possible replacement carrier for Manchester-Gatwick.
I have read elsewhere that since the announcement by BA of their decision to suspend the route loads have been healthy!!, I know that doesn't mean yield has improved. Has anyone got any information to back this up? Maybe it has been helped by improved timings for day trips on certain days of the week. Still have a hope they will reconsider but I appreciate that current environment means tough decisions. Maybe they could have set up an arrangement with a carrier like they did with Eastern on the LCY-Isle of Man route. Guess I will have to accept and move on!!
On another point does anyone know how the Short Haul 767 cabin refurbishments are going on at the Gatwick Maintenance base?
Any more news regarding the number of A319s being based at Gatwick next Summer?
With the lighter timetable at the moment short haul schedules are running well at Gatwick. Seasonal Geneva is back in early December along with a series of ski charter flights to a couple of destinations. Shame this service cannot be all year round.(Geneva that is!) Even a daily to complement Heathrow would be welcome.
On some routes BA seems willing to really compete with Easyjet but on others it holds back. Again I guess its commercial and maybe BA doesn't want to dilute services that it also runs from Heathrow too much. But still impressed that Easyjet can run up to 4 services a day to Rome and Geneva from Gatwick!!
I am not at all anti Easyjet but think its important that no carrier dominates too much. We do not want to end up with a Stansted situation where a carrier like Ryanair dominate to such an extent others are nervous about having a go.
However Gatwick is more competitive than Stansted.
As always views,opinions and news appreciated.
V.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: tomkell92
Posted 2012-11-25 05:55:28 and read 21738 times.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 5):

I can confirm that this isn't going to happen. My dad works for BA CityFlyer and he has said that the airline is not allowed to compete on any routes that BA mainline operate high yields to. They are mainly business oriented and not allowed to operate any aircraft with more than 100 seats as they fear it will interfere with BA mainline.

I think CityFlyer will remain at LCY for some years to come.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: GSTBA
Posted 2012-11-25 06:12:06 and read 21692 times.

Quoting vectismanpaul (Reply 77):
On another point does anyone know how the Short Haul 767 cabin refurbishments are going on at the Gatwick Maintenance base?

The 767 refurbishment program which is being carried out by the engineering team at LGW has been going well. The program is on track to be completed sometime in late Feb or early March.

G-BNWA - Refurbished Cabin Fitted (Returned to Service 08/11/12)
G-BNWB - In Progress (Currently at LGW expected to return to service around 05/12/12)
G-BNWX - Refurbished Cabin Fitted (Returned to Service 18/06/12)
G-BNWZ - To be Refurbished
G-BZHA - To be Refurbished
G-BZHB - Refurbished Cabin Fitted (Returned to Service 10/10/12)
G-BZHC - To be Refurbished

Quoting vectismanpaul (Reply 77):
Any more news regarding the number of A319s being based at Gatwick next Summer?

BA are planning to begin to retire there fleet of 737 during the S13 season, with 3 to 4 aircraft expected to be withdrawn from service by the end of 2013.

The start of the summer schedule will see BA hand back a number of LHR slots as agreed as part of the BD merger. This is expected to free up a small number of airbus aircraft. The plan is to transfer the aircraft to LGW during S13 were they will be used to replace the 737's exiting service.

The exact number of A319's that will operate from LGW next summer and the routes that the aircraft are expected to operate next summer is expected to be announced early in the new year. Personally I think we will see between 6 and 8 Airbus aircraft operating from LGW during the summer peak period.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: babybus
Posted 2012-11-25 06:28:59 and read 21648 times.

Quoting Candid76 (Reply 29):
Just booked a round trip to Gatwick from MAN for the end of November,
Quoting jet72uk (Reply 65):
I can't beleive for a minute that LGW-MAN will not be serviced.
Quoting vectismanpaul (Reply 77):
Still very quiet about possible replacement carrier for Manchester-Gatwick.

It is unbelievable that BA want to drop this route. In all the years that I and anyone else I know has used it it has been rarely less than 80% full. The morning flight is always completely full any time I've used it.

It must have been important to them too as they gave a full hot breakfast on a 30min flight. If the route was useless they would have given nothing or a bag of nuts.

Doesn't make sense to me.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: AIR MALTA
Posted 2012-11-25 08:36:29 and read 21505 times.

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 79):
The start of the summer schedule will see BA hand back a number of LHR slots as agreed as part of the BD merger. This is expected to free up a small number of airbus aircraft. The plan is to transfer the aircraft to LGW during S13 were they will be used to replace the 737's exiting service.

Is BA going to transfer only A319s to LGW? I mean it is a capacity reduction compared to the 734s. A mix of 320s and 319s would be better suited for the shorthaul network out of LGW.

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 79):
The exact number of A319's that will operate from LGW next summer and the routes that the aircraft are expected to operate next summer is expected to be announced early in the new year.

Do you think we will see any additional routes announced??? And the other question is what routes/frequencies are going to be dropped from LHR??

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2012-11-25 08:41:39 and read 21493 times.

The fares on MAN-LGW on the 20 or so flights I have been on were a bargain, always better than the train. I had suspected it was under threat for a long time, only the first flight fed long haul and the night stopper was dropped which is often the beginning of the end. If it was a goldmine, EZY would have had a go, the current shortest flight is GLA-BFS so it's not unknown.

LGW getting LHR hand me downs is only a stop gap, is there any news on whether the RFP for fleet replacement is going to the board?

[Edited 2012-11-25 08:43:14]

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: santos
Posted 2012-11-25 08:44:28 and read 21467 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 82):
the current shortest fligh is GLA-BFS so it's not unknown.

I think that LPL-IOM is currently their shortest scheduled flight

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2012-11-25 11:07:49 and read 21273 times.

Ahh yes quite right. Sneeze and you miss it.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: VV701
Posted 2012-11-25 11:31:40 and read 21238 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 82):
the current shortest flight is GLA-BFS
Quoting santos (Reply 83):
I think that LPL-IOM

No train to compete against on these over-water routes.

If HS2 is built do not expect the LHR-MAN service to survive very long, particularly if there is a Heathrow spur on HS2. Remember here that while British rail travellers are subsidised by the British tax payer to the extent of about £5 billion a year, British air travellers are unsubsidised and make a direct contribution to the Exchequer through Air Passenger Duty of £26 for any return domestic flight excepting only those from and within the Scottish Highlands and Islands.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2012-11-25 16:31:31 and read 20935 times.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 85):
If HS2 is built do not expect the LHR-MAN service to survive very long

Given much of it's connecting over BA at LHR anyway why would I take the train? Point to point fares on LHR-MAN are very expensive for a reason, the cheap fares were taken by the rather large allocation of connections.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: VV701
Posted 2012-11-25 17:49:16 and read 20886 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 86):
Given much of it's connecting over BA at LHR anyway why would I take the train? Point to point fares on LHR-MAN are very expensive for a reason, the cheap fares were taken by the rather large allocation of connections.

That would depend on where you were starting out from.

If you are convenient for and it is quicker to travel to Manchester Picadilly why would you not use the High Speed train to Heathrow instead of making the longer and less convenient journey to Ringway? If you did there would be no need to arrive at Picadilly more than five minutes before the scheduled departure time. You may even find that by the time HS2 reaches Manchester trains to Heathrow will be code share "flights".

If HS2 does rach Manchester you might even be able to check your luggage in at Picadilly. That would hardly be revolutionary. At one time you could check your luggage at West Kensington when flying BEA from LHR, or Victoria when flying BOAC from LHR and travel by coach to the airport. If you were flying BUA from LGW you could check your luiggage at Victoria and then travel to LGW by train. What goes around may come around?

Many moons ago BD used to operate these on the BHX-LHR route:


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But now the train (or the M40) takes the strain. The same could happen to MAN.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2012-11-25 18:46:25 and read 20863 times.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 87):
If you are convenient for and it is quicker to travel to Manchester Picadilly why would you not use the High Speed train to Heathrow instead of making the longer and less convenient journey to Ringway?

Customer mentality kicks in, the mindset says I check in with BA at my local airport and I don't expect to see my bags until the other side of the world. (ideally(!))
It's still going to be faster in many people's minds than getting a train and hoping no one nicks your cases if you take your eyes off them. BA would lose business to KLM/AF and LH if the Shuttle was withdrawn.

[Edited 2012-11-25 18:46:51]

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: VV701
Posted 2012-11-26 03:05:09 and read 20679 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 88):
It's still going to be faster in many people's minds than getting a train and hoping no one nicks your cases if you take your eyes off them.

Would there be any greater worry about your bags if, as I have already suggested, it was possible to check them in at Manchester Picadilly than if you checked them in at Manchester Ringway? I do not think so.

Few people living today in the Birmingham area even know that once-upon-a-time you could fly by BD from BHX to LHR. That service was discontinued as Birmingham area residents wanting to travel via LHR chose to catch the new, relatively high speed trains from more convenient Birmingham New Street or chose to travel by car or coach straight down the M42/M40/M25. Even the time-conscious passenger chose to travel to LHR by surface rather than air. That is why BD discontinued their BHX-LHR flights after faster trains from Birmingham New Street were introduced and relatively quick and convenient car and coach journeys down the M42/M40/M25 became possible. And any airline operatring out of LHR, not just BA, could turn a Picadilly-Heathrow HS train connection into a code-share "flight" significantly increasing both general awareness and the promotion of this option.

What is particularly relevant today is the attitude of the competition authorities to MAN-LHR. They required BA to surrender LHR slots specifically to be used between LHR and EDI and / or ABZ in allowing the IAG purchase of BD. There was no such requirement for slots to be used for flights to be released for specific use between MAN and LHR, the only other domestic route operated last winter by both BA and BD and no other airline. Indeed MAN, unlike NCE, CAI (also served from LHR by MS) or RUH (also served by SV) was not even include among the list of optional destinations listed by the competition authorities for possible slot transfer. The only explanation I can give for this is that they recognise that BA will need to remain competitive with surface transport on this route.

Of course today MAN-LON is a slightly different market to MAN-LHR. But if HS2 were to directlky link Manchester Picadilly to LHR this would certainly no longer be true.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2012-11-26 04:23:13 and read 20568 times.

It won't be possible to do that for security reasons I suspect.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: raffik
Posted 2012-11-26 04:37:50 and read 20563 times.

Birmingham to Heathrow is a much shorter drive than Manchester to London.
Plus, lugging heavy cases to a train station and on and off etc is not fun. People will just fly AF, KLM from Manchester and connect rather than the awkward journey.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: Bongodog1964
Posted 2012-11-26 04:45:54 and read 20554 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 90):
It won't be possible to do that for security reasons I suspect.

There must be a way, if its ok for your bags to be chucked on the back of a truck in the carribbean, whilst the passengers travel by coach and have no way of knowing whats happening to them. Or its ok to drop your bags at the VS desk at Downtown Disney Orlando at 10am, for a 8pm flight from MCO, there should be a way that passengers could check a bag in at Manchester Picadilly for transfer to LHR. The one thing it would need though is sufficient demand to make it viable.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2012-11-26 05:17:40 and read 20506 times.

They're not in the UK though are they? The rather handy baggage drop for Gatwick at Victoria was closed for that very reason.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: VV701
Posted 2012-11-26 06:50:58 and read 20384 times.

Quoting raffik (Reply 91):
Birmingham to Heathrow is a much shorter drive than Manchester to London.

That is why it will not happen until HS2 is built and links Manchester Piccadilly directly to Heathrow. And when that happens it will be quicker to get from central Manchester to LHR than it is today to get from central Birmingham to LHR.

Quoting raffik (Reply 91):
Plus, lugging heavy cases to a train station and on and off etc is not fun. People will just fly AF, KLM from Manchester and connect rather than the awkward journey.

Is lugging heavy cases to an airport and on and off etc better fun than lugging them to a station and on and off etc? If so, exactly how?

As I originally said Manchester Piccadilly is more accessible for many than is Manchester Ringway. Why bother to, to borrow a phrase, "lug" your heavy cases out to Ringway to climb aboard an AF or KL aircraft when you can check them in at Manchester Picadilly and travel at speed and in comfort, taking a stroll to the restaurant car, as you are directly carried to your LHR terminal instead of being crammed into a 31" pitch seat on a flight to an unnecessary intermediate point?

Of course if you were right passengers would be flocking today to LHR to board flights to CDG and BRU. But they are not. Instead they are lugging their heavy bags to St Pancras International and travelling in comfort on HS1 and then through the Channel Tunnel on their trips to Paris or Brussels. And where we used to see TriStar, 763 and A300 flights between LHR and CDG we now see (fewer) 319s and, not so long ago, even ATR72s.

HS1 operates at speeds between 200 and 300 kph (143 to 186 mph). If HS2 operated no more quickly than that it would cover the 150 miles between MAN and LHR in under an hour. Why bother to traipse out to Ringway with your heavy luggage to take a flight to an intermediate airport when you could reach a direct service from LHR more quickly, in greater comfort and with less hassle?

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: raffik
Posted 2012-11-26 07:35:09 and read 20337 times.

It will only work if the cost of the train tickets are low enough- and with the cost of train travel rising year on year, I would like to see if it compares THAT well.

For example, BA MAN-LHR-JFK 18/2 returning 25/2 comes in at £450
If you were to buy the Heathrow - New York segments alone it comes in at £431, so the cost to the passenger for the add on flights is less than £20 - so less than £10 each way. Do you think the train is going to be that cheap? I doubt it.

I imagine BA's domestic flights feed in very well with connecting traffic at Heathrow and they won't give that up without a fight.

This high speed train network sounds like a good idea - fascinating that somebody who lives in Birmingham can actually get a train to London in under an hour when I live half the distance away in Brighton and it takes me just as long.
Soon, everybody's local airport will be Heathrow.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: vectismanpaul
Posted 2012-12-01 02:45:43 and read 19941 times.

Good morning
Interesting to read your comments about the Manchester route re the trains etc... PersonallyI believe there will always be those who prefer to fly. I for one, if making a connection via LHR or LGW ,would always prefer to check in my bags at my starting point and not have to worry about them until I got to my destination.
Anyway lets keep to topic.
In a few days Geneva seasonal flights begin. Does anyone know if BA put on extra flights from Gatwick during the Christmas/ New Year period to popular destinations?
I guess during the slack November period more attention is paid to maintenance and planning. Certainly have not heard of any cancellations of any flights ex LGW by BA in recent weeks.
As always news and views welcome.
V.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: rutankrd
Posted 2012-12-01 04:58:46 and read 19801 times.

HS2 as planned is NO panacea for the slot issues at LHR or a replacement for ANY of the remaining limited domestic flights including those operated by BA Shuttle LHR-MAN-LHR

If you can't board a BA plane in Manchester but have to rely on multi modal ground connections . BA and Oneworld WILL loose the support of many many thousands to the other alliances period.

The plan does not include for any direct single train connections between Manchester and Heathrow, but rather building an interchange station over Old Oak Common/Willesden Junction area (An area that is already a maze of rail lines) and dumping the Manchester/Birmingham passengers at a new interchange station with differing platform heights where connections would have to be made onto the HAL line.

And I doubt that there will be more than 1/2 trains an hour from either Manchester or Birmingham stopping here for that connection.

Added hassle with platform change plus typically 12 minutes connection time .

Oh and you know the HS2 may only cut 15 minutes off the current Virgin times of 2 hours 10 minutes.May be adequate to entice a few already ground travellers (the hundreds of thousands that actually drive MAN-LON every day) out of the car however at what fare levels. Virgins unlimited tickets are already among the most expensive in the world !

Plus the 10 minutes Old Oak Common - Heathrow.

Manchester Piccadilly - LHR typically will still be more than 2 1/2 hours apart !

Oh as for the Manchester end much of Greater Manchester and indeed the North West in general find the airport far more convenient to get too with their own car with the extensive motorway network or bus direct train or in just few years the tram than getting into Central Manchester !

Let me say i think that the idea of a super high speed rail network heading north has merit for the UK economy however HS2 is not the best solution.

London end wrong terminal Euston route wrong direction - Super high speed only becomes viable at distances in excess of 150 miles when time advantages begin to add up.
Birmingham as planed its just a few minutes over existing Virgin Pendulinos !

I think they should be looking directly at and along the Midland mainline with a spur (Old Grand Central into Manchester) Sheffield and Leeds

All that said we are talking of potential events at more than decade and half away for phase 1 and thats just to Birmingham !

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: theginge
Posted 2012-12-01 06:20:42 and read 19695 times.

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 97):
The plan does not include for any direct single train connections between Manchester and Heathrow, but rather building an interchange station over Old Oak Common/Willesden Junction area (An area that is already a maze of rail lines) and dumping the Manchester/Birmingham passengers at a new interchange station with differing platform heights where connections would have to be made onto the HAL line.

The most stupid thing about HS2 is that they don't plan a Heathrow direct link in the first phase, ie go Central London - Heathrow then up north. Look at Frankfurt Airport station, many high speed trains to / from Frankfurt pass through there and it is also a major interchange in it self, people change trains there without touching the airport. This could happen at LHR if UK governments were not useless at any sort of transport policy..

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: vasu
Posted 2012-12-01 06:34:24 and read 19716 times.

Anyone know why BA6 has just landed at Gatwick? RJAA -LHR, G-STBC 777-300ER

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: vectismanpaul
Posted 2012-12-01 07:01:48 and read 19645 times.

gentle reminder. Thread is about BA Gatwick news not rail links or Heathrow.
Thanks
V.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: vectismanpaul
Posted 2012-12-01 07:17:12 and read 19632 times.

It would appear that BA006 landing at Gatwick could have been a weather diversion.
V.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: LGWflyer
Posted 2012-12-01 07:24:06 and read 19873 times.

Quoting vectismanpaul (Reply 101):
It would appear that BA006 landing at Gatwick could have been a weather diversion.

Weather diversion, was that the actual reason or...? I thought the weather was fine, quite a nice evening outside.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: vectismanpaul
Posted 2012-12-01 07:32:57 and read 19860 times.

I cannot confirm weather diversion, just noticed on Heathrow arrivals board several flights ariving behind schedule and a few 'Enquire airline'. Could have been due to long hold times too I guess.

V.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: LGWflyer
Posted 2012-12-01 07:58:01 and read 19849 times.

Quoting vectismanpaul (Reply 103):
I cannot confirm weather diversion, just noticed on Heathrow arrivals board several flights ariving behind schedule and a few 'Enquire airline'. Could have been due to long hold times too I guess.

Ah right, I'd probably guess it was not a weather diversion. According to FlightRadar 24 he seemed to come into LGW rather quickly without even trying to make an approach for LHR, maybe they were told they would have had a long hold time and that they probably wouldn't have had the fuel left. But then again maybe a pax had taken ill and LGW was the better quicker option.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: rutankrd
Posted 2012-12-01 09:03:03 and read 19814 times.

Quoting vectismanpaul (Reply 100):

gentle reminder. Thread is about BA Gatwick news not rail links or Heathrow.
Thanks

Didn't mean to thread jack apologies !

As for BA at Gatwick does it really have a future beyond serving as a repository for redeeming avios points and honey moon trips ?

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: vectismanpaul
Posted 2012-12-01 09:08:46 and read 19838 times.

rutankard

'As for BA at Gatwick does it really have a future beyond serving as a repository for redeeming avios points and honey moon trip'

Hopefully yes.

However I will stick to the original reason for starting this thread. See below.

'I don't want the thread to become a debate about pros and cons of having a base at Gatwick but just to concentrate on BA Gatwick News including aircraft, routes etc....'


Many thanks for the apology. Now stick to topic lol!!  

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: LGWflyer
Posted 2012-12-01 13:36:37 and read 19667 times.

It seems the reason why BA006 diverted to LGW was because one of the runways was shut shortly at LHR due to an emergency with an Air Canada flight. Strange thing is why it was the only aircraft to divert (well to LGW anyway).

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2012-12-01 14:30:29 and read 19612 times.

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 105):

No.

I watched a B744 go around from 27L a while back operating BAW6 and declare an immediate mayday as they were tight on fuel. Even a short delay may have meant to contingency to hold for LHR.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: vectismanpaul
Posted 2012-12-08 01:03:40 and read 19111 times.

Good morning
Am I correct in believing that the Gatwck Cabin Crew are not affected by senior staff voluntary redundancies? I believe it only covers those who only fly on either long haul or short haul but not both at Heathrow. I know the Gatwick crew are qualified for 3 types of aircraft 777/737/Airbus and fly long and short haul. This makes them very flexible in operating terms.
Geneva started today with 4 flights scheduled as the ski season begins. A couple of weekly ski charters begin soon too.
As always any news appreciated.

V.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: vectismanpaul
Posted 2012-12-14 13:31:51 and read 18400 times.

BA over past few days been announcing changes/additions to Summer 13 timetable. Anything in pipeline for Gatwick?
Still no news of Manchester replacement carrier. I am still not 100% certain it will not be re-instated.
As always any news or view appreciated.
V.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: LGWflyer
Posted 2012-12-14 15:27:20 and read 18235 times.

Quoting vectismanpaul (Reply 110):
Still no news of Manchester replacement carrier.

Im hoping Flybe will take up this route.

Who knows, if the VS domestic flights go well at LHR next year, they might start a LGW-MAN flight....

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2012-12-14 16:30:44 and read 18211 times.

LGW-MAN is gone, like LBA, it's not coming back. There's no VS feed outside the first wave and point to point is struggling. The outside chance of EZY doing something a little left field is there though, but given BE dropped ABZ, I don't see them going onto MAN.

[Edited 2012-12-14 16:32:35]

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: anstar
Posted 2012-12-14 21:18:17 and read 18088 times.

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 111):
Who knows, if the VS domestic flights go well at LHR next year, they might start a LGW-MAN flight....

No chance of that happening. Short Haul is going to be limited to LHR and connecting the long haul network. there is no money for them in a standalone short haul operation.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: AIR MALTA
Posted 2012-12-20 11:01:55 and read 17535 times.

Back to topic. I have gone through the LGW schedules on ba.com and it seems that BA has changed flight times of most of the services. The schedules on the same flight numbers vary each day making the timetable a bit hard to grasp... Can we expect more changes?

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: GSTBA
Posted 2012-12-20 12:00:35 and read 17434 times.

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 114):
Back to topic. I have gone through the LGW schedules on ba.com and it seems that BA has changed flight times of most of the services. The schedules on the same flight numbers vary each day making the timetable a bit hard to grasp... Can we expect more changes?

The schedule is in the middle of a huge update. Some routes on the online timetable look as if they have had frequency cuts. However the flight when you go to book are available.

The A319 aircraft have started to be allocated to flights. Looks as if there will be 5 possibly 6 aircraft at LGW. Looks as if all the A319's will be ex BD aircraft as the aircraft when operating on a domestic have 144 seats, which is the same as the ex BD aircraft

Quoting vectismanpaul (Reply 110):
BA over past few days been announcing changes/additions to Summer 13 timetable. Anything in pipeline for Gatwick?
ACE - A319 to operate route

AGP - During peak season will increase from 27 weekly to 34 weekly with up to 5 departure daily

BCN - Remains 3 x daily. However schedules has been adjusted. Plans for a night stopping aircraft have been dropped for S13. Flights will all now depart LGW between 06:40 and 13:30 with flights arriving back at LGW between 11:35 and 18:30.

IBZ - Flights increased from daily to 10 x weekly. Double daily flights operate days 5, 6, & 7. All flights evening departures. T

PFO - Continues 4 x weekly. Flight will operate same days as S12 however flights will depart LGW at lunchtime instead of in the morning. Return flights move from a early evening arrival to a late evening arrival back in LGW. ALL flights will be operated by a A319

PRN - There has been uncertainty about this route as no schedule showing but no official announcement of it being suspended either. Operated 3 x weekly S12

TFS - A319 to operate route

[Edited 2012-12-20 12:07:39]

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2012-12-20 12:14:41 and read 17436 times.

The legroom is worse than easyJet on the G-DBC* A319s. I was wedged into row three on a MAN-LHR sector recently tht was tolerable only with a good crew and a short flight time. Not sure what the Club Europe product would be sold as if EZY has better pitch.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: by738
Posted 2012-12-20 12:25:00 and read 17382 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 116):
Not sure what the Club Europe product would be sold as

Its never really be marketted as having significant extra legroom. The ground service, empty middle seat (or wider convertor) and inflight service more than differentiate for the Mile hunters.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: Alsatian
Posted 2012-12-20 12:29:40 and read 17395 times.

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 115):
The schedule is in the middle of a huge update

I checked it on the BA's website and i have found Nantes, Montpellier or Strasbourg in the pulldown menu of the french destinations. British Airways doesn't serve these cities with its own metal and don't think via code-shares either. What could it be ?

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: GSTBA
Posted 2012-12-20 13:04:48 and read 17308 times.

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 118):
I checked it on the BA's website and i have found Nantes, Montpellier or Strasbourg in the pulldown menu of the french destinations. British Airways doesn't serve these cities with its own metal and don't think via code-shares either. What could it be ?

There are a few destinations that appear in a drop down box on the site that are not currently operated to by BA or by BA's codeshare partners, I only checked 5 countries but found these non BA destinations

France - Figaro

Greece - Chania, Chios, Heraklion, Kerkyra, Mykonos, Rhodes, Thira

Poland - Gdansk

Norway - Alesund, Alta, Bodo, Harstad-Narvik, Haugesund, Kirkenes, Kristiansand, Molde, Tromso, Trondheim

Portugal - Funchal, Porto

Not sure for the reasons behind them appearing.

Possibly just previously operated/codeshare destinations that are still in the system.

[Edited 2012-12-20 13:07:13]

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: jrn216
Posted 2012-12-20 14:53:27 and read 17213 times.

Has anyone seen the summer 2013 BA schedule for Jersey? It looks bizarre. I can't make out what is going on because there is very little consistency, whereas at present flights operate 5x daily at much the same time each day. If, however, you look at July or August, flight times change from day to day. Is this responding to when BA knows that demand exists or simply fitting a route around the operations of available aircraft?

[Edited 2012-12-20 14:55:14]

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2012-12-20 15:25:23 and read 17159 times.

Quoting by738 (Reply 117):

Its never really be marketted as having significant extra legroom. The ground service, empty middle seat (or wider convertor) and inflight service more than differentiate for the Mile hunters.

Hello by738, my old friend.
I know that quite well, my main point is that the ex BMI A319s have an inferior product to the current BA LGW B734 and LHR A319 fleet. The legroom is tighter than easyJet and blocking out the middle seat makes no difference to that. There are a lot of angry peeps on flyertalk who are already angry that current CE is not worth the money or the AVIOS.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: AIR MALTA
Posted 2012-12-20 23:11:51 and read 17009 times.

Quoting jrn216 (Reply 120):
Has anyone seen the summer 2013 BA schedule for Jersey? It looks bizarre. I can't make out what is going on because there is very little consistency, whereas at present flights operate 5x daily at much the same time each day. If, however, you look at July or August, flight times change from day to day. Is this responding to when BA knows that demand exists or simply fitting a route around the operations of available aircraft?

This is not linited to JER. Try to check flight times to EDI, GLA, ALC, BCN or AGP.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: vectismanpaul
Posted 2012-12-21 07:29:17 and read 16689 times.

With Meridiana ending their flights to Verona and Florence I wonder if BA will increase frequency to Verona or be tempted to start Florence from Gatwick. Also with Tenerife and Arrecife starting next year what is the likelihood of Las Palmas following later in the year? Ibiza has been increased to 10 flights a week next summer up from 7 this year. Maybe a few Gatwick-Palma frequencies may work too? I know Easyjet have up to 5 a day but if you look at Malaga, which easyjet also serve several times daily, BA has just increased frequency up to 5 daily high season.

V.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: gabrielchew
Posted 2012-12-21 08:25:17 and read 16633 times.

Quoting vectismanpaul (Reply 123):
Also with Tenerife and Arrecife starting next year what is the likelihood of Las Palmas following later in the year?

I think LPA would be a very popular route during the winter. I'm surprised they went with ACE rather than LPA for the summer.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: jwhite9185
Posted 2012-12-21 09:27:05 and read 16567 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 116):
The legroom is worse than easyJet on the G-DBC* A319s. I was wedged into row three on a MAN-LHR sector recently tht was tolerable only with a good crew and a short flight time. Not sure what the Club Europe product would be sold as if EZY has better pitch.

I was on both DBCA and DBCD in May and I found the legroom pretty adequate up at the front for the 2 hour or so journey down to NCE.

All BA have done is change the seat covers from brown to blue.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: AIR MALTA
Posted 2012-12-21 10:04:14 and read 16524 times.

Quoting vectismanpaul (Reply 123):
Las Palmas following later in the year?

It could be possible... BA seems to be back on the Spanish routes once again... I think BA should work with Vueling to serve some other airpots from LGW such as SVQ, VLC or BIO. BA should take care of the LHR operations. That might be possible when IAH acquites Vueling.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: vectismanpaul
Posted 2012-12-21 10:26:12 and read 16731 times.

To be honest I want to see BA flying the routes!! I think you will find Vueling will concentrate on the Spanish market inside and to and from Spain. Useful reminder to Iberia to keep on track!!

V.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2012-12-21 12:33:34 and read 16670 times.

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 125):
I was on both DBCA and DBCD in May and I found the legroom pretty adequate up at the front for the 2 hour or so journey down to NCE.

All BA have done is change the seat covers from brown to blue.

That's the whole issue, they did not spec out all of the ex BMI A319s to BA standards. It seems G-DBCI and a few others have twelve more seats at CY144 versus BA's CY132. That pitch is not going to be acceptable in Club.

Good to see the A319 going to LGW though.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: AIR MALTA
Posted 2012-12-22 01:54:52 and read 16443 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 128):
That's the whole issue, they did not spec out all of the ex BMI A319s to BA standards. It seems G-DBCI and a few others have twelve more seats at CY144 versus BA's CY132. That pitch is not going to be acceptable in Club.

Good to see the A319 going to LGW though.

The A319 will surely bring freshness to the LGW fleet as the 734s are very tired looking and in some cases dirty although some of the 734s have been refreshed. I travelled on many 734s and I have never been on a retrofitted one. Which 734s have been updated up to now?

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 115):

The schedule is in the middle of a huge update. Some routes on the online timetable look as if they have had frequency cuts. However the flight when you go to book are available.

SZG seems to get 2 services on Saturdays which is weird especially for Summer. I hope BA can manage tidy up the schedules a bit...

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: bwaflyer
Posted 2012-12-22 02:20:47 and read 16418 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 128):
That's the whole issue, they did not spec out all of the ex BMI A319s to BA standards. It seems G-DBCI and a few others have twelve more seats at CY144 versus BA's CY132. That pitch is not going to be acceptable in Club.

All bmi A319s are in the same configuration of 144 seats. The only differences are that A-F have two small wardrobes at the back.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: vectismanpaul
Posted 2012-12-27 14:05:38 and read 15770 times.

I have also noticed the BA Gatwick schedules being updated in various places including the One World Online timetable. A319s are appearing a lot more in the timetable than previously. Seems to be a real push on the Summer Sun routes. Would be good to see a couple more announced in the New Year. Overall I am feeling more positive about the Gatwick base at the end of the 2012. The painful cost restructuring is beginning to help the bottom line. Hopefully modest and targeted expansion will continue. As I said in another forum BA are playing to the different strengths of their 3 London bases to cover a variety of market segments. It may not be perfect but at the moment it is contributing to positive results. Also good to see that BA realise that healthy economy cabins can also help the figures and increase brand awareness across all types of traveller. I know First and Business bring in lost of money but good economy loads keep brand awareness high too.
Best wishes to all of you for 2013 and many thanks for continuing to make this BA Gatwick news Thread such a good read. It has also attracted an audience of thousands. For once I noticed a gap in the market!! Keep the news and views coming in 2013.
Thanks again.
V.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: JerseyFlyer
Posted 2012-12-28 05:49:13 and read 15371 times.

Quoting vectismanpaul (Reply 131):
BA are playing to the different strengths of their 3 London bases to cover a variety of market segments.

My understanding is that BA's LGW operation is intended to address the O&D market for SE England residents - the population of a small country lives within a few dozens of miles of LGW.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: AIR MALTA
Posted 2012-12-28 05:55:21 and read 15371 times.

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 132):
My understanding is that BA's LGW operation is intended to address the O&D market for SE England residents - the population of a small country lives within a few dozens of miles of LGW.

Not all the routes are intended for SE. Longhaul routes as well as ALG, TIA and TUN are intended for a larger catchment area than the SE.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: vectismanpaul
Posted 2013-01-02 00:18:15 and read 14903 times.

Happy New Year to you all!!
The BA Gatwick schedule is definitley having a significant update. Some extra flights and lots of timings changes. Difficult to see an overall pattern but looks like there may be capacity for some extra morning flights being produced. It would also seem the new schedule is maximising the efficient use of aircraft. Ibiza has seen an increase from 7 to 10 flights for example.

V.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: GSTBA
Posted 2013-01-02 01:57:45 and read 14805 times.

Based on the schedule for the 1st week in August it looks like the A319's will operate the following patterns:

Monday

1 - NCE-LGW-NAP-LGW-AGP-LGW
2 - LGW-ALC-LGW-PFO-LGW
3 - LGW-DBV-LGW-VCE-LGW-NCE
4 - LGW-BRI-LGW-FAO-LGW
5 - LGW-NCE-LGW-TFS-LGW

Tuesday

1 - NCE-LGW-NAP-LGW-AGP-LGW
2 - LGW-BCN-LGW-ALG-LGW-NCE
3 - LGW-VCE-LGW-NCE-LGW-AGP-LGW
4 - LGW-AGP-LGW-VCE-LGW-IBZ-LGW
5 - LGW-NCE-LGW-TFS-LGW

Wednesday

1 - NCE-LGW-AMS-LGW-NAP-LGW
2 - LGW-NCE-LGW-TFS-LGW
3 - LGW-AMS-LGW-ALG-LGW-NCE
4 - LGW-VRN-LGW-TRN-LGW-PSA-LGW
5 - LGW-NAP-LGW-AGP-LGW

Thursday

1 - NCE-LGW-FCO-LGW-AMS-LGW-NCE
2 - LGW-AGP-LGW-CTA-LGW
3 - LGW-NCE-LGW-ACE-LGW
4 - LGW-VCE-LGW-RAK-LGW
5 - LGW-NAP-LGW-AGP-LGW

Friday

1 - NCE-LGW-GOA-LGW-VRN-LGW-NCE
2 - LGW-BCN-LGW-PFO-LGW
3 - LGW-AGP-LGW-JER-LGW-NAP-LGW
4 - LGW-NCE-LGW-TFS-LGW
5 - LGW-NAP-LGW-AGP-LGW

Saturday

1 - NCE-LGW-AMS-LGW-NAP-LGW-IBZ-LGW
2 - LGW-ALC-LGW-TFS-LGW
3 - LGW-BCN-LGW-PFO-LGW
4 - LGW-AGP-LGW-CTA-LGW
5 - LGW-DBV-LGW-EDI-LGW-NCE

Sunday

1 - NCE-LGW-AGP-LGW-ALC-LGW
2 - LGW-BCN-LGW-PFO-LGW
3 - LGW-VCE-LGW-ACE-LGW
4 - LGW-EDI-LGW-FAO-LGW-NCE
5 - LGW-FCO-LGW-VRN-LGW-IBZ-LGW

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: vectismanpaul
Posted 2013-01-02 03:00:51 and read 14711 times.

Many thanks GSTBA
Impressed how you worked it all out. The aircraft look very busy. Do you think there is anything else in the pipeline?

Thanks
V.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: VV701
Posted 2013-01-02 04:59:47 and read 14669 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 128):
That's the whole issue, they did not spec out all of the ex BMI A319s to BA standards. It seems G-DBCI and a few others have twelve more seats at CY144 versus BA's CY132.
Quoting GSTBA (Reply 135):
Based on the schedule for the 1st week in August it looks like the A319's will operate the following patterns:

I believe that ten of the eleven of the ex-BD 319s - the possible exception being 'CA - are configured with 144 seats while the rest of BA's fleet (including 'CA?) are configured with 132. Currently the 144-seat aircraft are primarily dedicated to operating out of LHR T1. Although 'CA temporarily operated out of T5 on 16 December, it too has been primarily dedicated to BA's T1 operations. So it may also be configured with 144 seats.

I think that the 319s that will be transferred to LGW at the start of the coming Summer Season will be from amongst the ten 144 seat aircraft. And if BA builds its long haul operations using former BD slots I would not be surprised to see all ten (eleven?) former BD 144-seat aircraft eventually permanently based at LGW. This would explain why they were not reconfigured to the same cabin layout as BA's 132 seat aircraft. On the other hand the fact that all eleven 319s are currently primarilly operating on the T1 routes to BHD, DUB, DUS, HAJ, LBA, LUX, LYS, MRS, RTM, and TLS may indicate something entirely different.

However if the 144 seat 319s do move over time to LGW it will be interesting to see whether such a transfer will result in an expansion of BA LGW operations, the retirement of some 734s or a combination of both.

All the above (apart from the primary dedication of the ex-BD 3192 to LHR T1 operations) is conjecture on my part.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: Tristarsteve
Posted 2013-01-02 05:47:57 and read 14539 times.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 137):
I believe that ten of the eleven of the ex-BD 319s - the possible exception being 'CA - are configured with 144 seats

CA has 144 seats now. All 11 are the same.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: rutankrd
Posted 2013-01-02 05:56:02 and read 14543 times.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 137):
ten of the eleven of the ex-BD 319s - the possible exception being 'CA

Didn't CA have a trip to LH Technics in Sofia for recovery of LH fittings before being reconfigured to match the other class mates in BA with 144 seating ?

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: vectismanpaul
Posted 2013-01-03 05:03:24 and read 14224 times.

On some other forums the new Heathrow-Palma service is being welcomed with calls for a similar service from Gatwick.
Apparently Ibiza is selling very well with some services last summer having had up to 14 rows of Club Passengers, which is quite impressive. I wonder if BA will be tempted to find the capacity to also offer flights from Gatwick to Palma. There is quite a number of high yield passengers available although many will opt for LCY and LHR on BA too.

V.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: GSTBA
Posted 2013-01-07 15:04:34 and read 13707 times.

Quoting vectismanpaul (Reply 140):
Apparently Ibiza is selling very well with some services last summer having had up to 14 rows of Club Passengers, which is quite impressive.

IBZ sold very well last summer. So much so in fact that BA have increased the frequency on the route for next summer from LGW and LCY.

LCY - 17x Weekly - Flights will operate 3 x daily Monday to Friday with 2 flights operating on a Sunday
LGW - 9 x Weekly - Flights operate daily with additional flights operating on Saturday and Sunday

Quoting vectismanpaul (Reply 136):
Impressed how you worked it all out. The aircraft look very busy. Do you think there is anything else in the pipeline?

The current S13 LGW will require 5 A319's and 15 737-436s to operate. That leave 4 737-436's un used.

BA could use these spare aircraft to add extra frequencies and routes from LGW next summer. However I think what will on fact happen is that a couple of them will end up being retired from the fleet for the start S13 with the others being used as spares

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: JER757
Posted 2013-01-07 16:00:27 and read 13605 times.

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 141):
BA could use these spare aircraft to add extra frequencies and routes from LGW next summer. However I think what will on fact happen is that a couple of them will end up being retired from the fleet for the start S13 with the others being used as spares

4 a/c is probably a bit much but they could be building a bit of slack into the schedule to try and prevent another summer of delays a la S12?

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: AIR MALTA
Posted 2013-01-09 04:18:21 and read 13290 times.

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 141):
The current S13 LGW will require 5 A319's and 15 737-436s to operate. That leave 4 737-436's un used.

I have been on yesterday's 19:40 DUB-LHR A319 D-BDCJ and the ex BMI seats are very unconfortable and low. I have noticed that they did not have drop down screens as well. I guess these will be sent to LGW while BA keeps a homogene product at LHR.

The timetable is still messy and I have notice that some of the flights had their times changed (example: LGW-TUN on day 1 now departs 08:25 instead of 07:20). When is BA going to finalize their schedule for Summer 2013?

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: Tristarsteve
Posted 2013-01-09 04:37:57 and read 13199 times.

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 143):
(example: LGW-TUN on day 1 now departs 08:25 instead of 07:20).

Bit of a bad example.
In first week of April there are five flights to TUN, and there are five different departure times from LGW!

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: BA0197
Posted 2013-01-09 05:35:15 and read 13110 times.

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 144):
Bit of a bad example.
In first week of April there are five flights to TUN, and there are five different departure times from LGW

I frequent this route and I find this quite funny. Surely they are not going to leave the schedule like that.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: GSTBA
Posted 2013-01-09 05:42:54 and read 13103 times.

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 145):
I frequent this route and I find this quite funny. Surely they are not going to leave the schedule like that.

I think you might find they will

The current schedule only allows for a turnaround time per aircraft of between 40 mins and 55 mins. There are no aircraft scheduled to be on the ground for long period of time

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: BA0197
Posted 2013-01-09 06:10:55 and read 13085 times.

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 146):

This is certainly a change of strategy at Gatwick. BA has always had flights a 17:35 from LGW to TUN every summer season. It appears that I shall eventually take everyone of the flight times.  Wink Makes for something new I suppose. Just imagine the inconvinences of the empolyees at TUN who have a different hour to work at every day.

Perhaps these short turn arounds is why they are keeping a few of the 734s and not scrapping them, as to help when an aircraft is behind schedule.

The ex-BMI and BMED Airbuses will be a nice change. Glad to see BA sticking with LGW and its legacy model.

Surprised to see many increases in Spainish holiday destinations as well. Booked a flight to AGP with serveral flight times offered. I'm sure BA are on the rise. Next important step: get the fourth floor of the lounge back and bring the F&B up to LHR standard.

[Edited 2013-01-09 06:12:32]

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: raffik
Posted 2013-01-09 06:21:38 and read 13060 times.

I'm really hoping that BA start up LPA. I really don't like having to go with Easyjet- it was really nice when GB Airways operated the route. The last time we flew on it was when it was a 737-800 operated by I think Tui? But in BA livery.
I remember one of the flight attendants pushed his hand on a ceiling panel and it lifted it down to reveal a storage compartment! Bizarre

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2013-01-09 06:23:57 and read 13049 times.

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 147):
The ex-BMI and BMED Airbuses will be a nice change. Glad to see BA sticking with LGW and its legacy model.

Having flown on one, I would suggest you reserve judgement on that one, the seating is....tight. Incidentally it's only the G-DBC* ex BMI A319s, the BMED A320s are remaining at LHR.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: AIR MALTA
Posted 2013-01-09 06:29:58 and read 13040 times.

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 144):
Bit of a bad example.
In first week of April there are five flights to TUN, and there are five different departure times from LGW!

What I meant is that the schedules to Tunis changed late November and the Monday morning flight has been rescheduled to depart at 07:20 from LGW. Today the timings for that particular flight have changed again and the flight departs now at 08:25. This means that changes are still happening.

Generally speaking the whole LGW timetable is a mess. Look at the scheules to AGP, ALC, JER, ALG and TUN.

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 145):
I frequent this route and I find this quite funny. Surely they are not going to leave the schedule like that.

I am also a regular user of that route and since the route has been take over from GT, I find the schedules bad. Connecting from Scotland is terrible. You always need to spend a night in London in one way or the other.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: Leej
Posted 2013-01-09 07:54:50 and read 13006 times.

So are there any updates on the Caribbean routes and the 777 fleet in general? I am lucky enough to do the ANU run a few times a year and it would be great to see the new interiors that the LHR fleet are getting - especially as VS have that nice refurb in Y+ (I use WTP on the way home overnight).

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: TimRees
Posted 2013-01-09 15:35:09 and read 12857 times.

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 150):
Having flown on one, I would suggest you reserve judgement on that one, the seating is....tight.

Quite agree! I flew on a few during the summer from LHR to NCE. The pitch was very tight - I even managed to spill my coffee all over my white chinos due to the lack of space compared to the standard aircraft - great start to a trip with coffee stained trousers!!

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: vectismanpaul
Posted 2013-01-12 03:33:14 and read 12572 times.

Good morning.
I was just wondering if anyone can envisage any more long haul leisure destinations for BA from Gatwick. Would destinations such as Seychelles, Phuket and Fort Lauderdale ever look viable? I appreciate this wouldn't be possible until late 2013 or 2014 as new A380/787 are delivered freeing up some 777s possibly for Gatwick. Seychlles was served for years by BCAL and then BA. With Air Seychelles off the route now and not everyone wants to go via Dubai maybe its time to look at that destination again.
Also wondering if Las Palmas could be in the offing for winter 2013/2014 to join Tenerife and Arrecife (All winter favourites)
I know that Marrakech is now served from Gatwick but is there a reason why Agadir continues to be served from Heathrow? Is it due to the type of traffic on that route?
Thanks
V.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: bluesky73
Posted 2013-01-12 03:49:17 and read 12578 times.

With the 10 A320s that start arriving in June I assume they will free up older 319s to be transferred to LGW too.

Good to see BA reinvent itself at LGW, feels slightly a swing back to the British Airtours days but without the packages.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: vectismanpaul
Posted 2013-01-12 03:57:03 and read 12525 times.

I think you will find the overall experience is better than the Airtours days. Most of the destinations are prime leisure ones especially the long haul routes. Yield on the long haul routes is good and most of those premium passengers expect and receive a high level of service.

I think we need to move on from seeing the BA service at Gatwick as somehow inferior to that at Heathrow. To be honest I have flown regularly from both of these bases and and service levels are very similar. Owing to the smaller scale of operations at Gatwick I have always found the crews particularly good there, but have to say I always have a positive experience at both airports.

V.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2013-01-12 05:06:28 and read 12475 times.

The service at LGW is secondary to LHR on short haul. Why do you think LGW got the A319s with the tighest seat pitch. Long haul is comparable, however Club on the ex BMI A319s has inferior pitch and the reliabilty of the B734s is average at best. LGW crews were friendlier than LHR EF and WW but the introduction of MF has seen a clear improvement at LHR. It is clear that BA have turned the clock back 30 years and now have the kind of routes KT flew with B732s back in the 80s. All those hub and spoke ideas and city routes from DA and BR are gone with a few exceptions. If they can regroup round that core and make money then great!

Is there any more word on the RFP on B737 replacement?

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: by738
Posted 2013-01-12 05:55:24 and read 12381 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 156):
introduction of MF has seen a clear improvement at LHR

That remains debatable, and based on feedback a few high premium routes switching back to WW

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2013-01-12 06:38:13 and read 12317 times.

Do you just sign in to argue with me? That's sweet, I am sure we must have dated  


Key point is that a good WW crew is excellent in the front cabin but there aren't enough of them and the youth and enthusiasm of MF is the future. Sad but true.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: Humberside
Posted 2013-01-12 10:34:45 and read 12139 times.

Quoting vectismanpaul (Reply 153):
I know that Marrakech is now served from Gatwick but is there a reason why Agadir continues to be served from Heathrow? Is it due to the type of traffic on that route?

I'd guess it's due to less business travel at weekend and consequently frequency reductions on short haul LHR routes that release aircraft and slots for Agadir

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: AIR MALTA
Posted 2013-01-13 03:05:10 and read 11887 times.

Quoting Humberside (Reply 159):
I'd guess it's due to less business travel at weekend and consequently frequency reductions on short haul LHR routes that release aircraft and slots for Agadir

That's what I thought... But BA should have done that for AGP and may be have new destinations introduced.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: HUYfan
Posted 2013-01-13 04:09:56 and read 11806 times.

by738, your statement is merely an assumption.

Routes change between Mixed Fleet, Eurofleet and Worldwide for reasons other than customer feedback. OVERALL feedback has been positive. Atlanta and the CocaCola myth was a prime example of musckspreading my the Mixed Fleet haters.

There are also many a Mixed Fleet crew that are 'excellent' in the front cabin.

Good and not so good on all fleets, on all routes.

Kind regards

Mike

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: LHRFlyer
Posted 2013-01-13 06:45:30 and read 11683 times.

There is absolutely no truth in the claim routes have moved back to WW because of negative feedback for Mixed Fleet.

There has been some feedback about speed of service on some flights and familiarity with service routines but this is being addressed and there is lots of positive feedback about the warmth and friendliness of Mixed Fleet crews.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: by738
Posted 2013-01-13 06:47:52 and read 11680 times.

Quoting HUYfan (Reply 161):
by738, your statement is merely an assumption

Ive experienced both frequently and I so I can assure you its far from an "assumption", thank you.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 158):
Do you just sign in to argue with me?

Seems someone has delusions. I see no argument, but your posts suggesting "fact" are on occasion not the case, and you, in your often deriding style, would be the first to correct.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2013-01-13 08:19:00 and read 11588 times.

Quoting by738 (Reply 163):
Ive experienced both frequently and I so I can assure you its far from an "assumption", thank you.

Do BA even fly to the US Minor Outlying Islands?????
I think I know this one..... Perhaps I am being unfair but can I ask you honestly, how often do you use Gatwick? Is it really the case you're based in the Home Counties in which case saying so would offer you more credibility when posting "facts" about the UK aviation scene.

I have been through Gatters about ten times in the last year across both terminals and spread across long haul, short haul both loco and legacy and I hope any posts I write add something to the thread. What's very clear is that there is a disparity between what's fronted in marketing and PR and what's actually going on a LGW, and specifically BA LGW.

The long haul fleet remains at 2005 levels having fallen away and recovered, the short haul fleet has contracted year on year with much of this summers program being done by ex BMI A319s with a very cramped onboard pitch which is barely tolerable for a domestic and will be painful for anything over an hour. Much of the raison d'etre remains Avios redemption which is a tricky one to show profits on and after all the outsourcing they still haven't released an RFP to replace the clapped out B734s. I love BA ta LGW but the customer experience at LGW North used to trounce T1 at LHR, now LHR T5 makes LGW North look like a different airline.

[Edited 2013-01-13 08:26:49]

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: AIR MALTA
Posted 2013-01-13 09:04:22 and read 11532 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 164):
Much of the raison d'etre remains Avios redemption which is a tricky one to show profits on and after all the outsourcing they still haven't released an RFP to replace the clapped out B734s.

Do you think that routes to Tirana, Tunis, Algiers or even Barcelona, Nice and Alicante are there for Avios redemption only?

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: jet72uk
Posted 2013-01-13 10:28:30 and read 11418 times.

Why on earth would they start routes for Avios redemption only???? TUN runs at 85-90%. As for HKT, SEZ and FLL these have been rumoured for years, but then so was CMB and that starts in Mar.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2013-01-13 10:33:50 and read 11459 times.

Um it's pretty well known that part of the reason LGW short haul was closed was to allow premier customers somewhere to spend accumulated points. The routes may on the face have been loss making, especially on the old cost base but they kept flying for years at a loss. When you say TUN runs at 85-90% what point are you making? Good load factor? High ticket prices and good revenue or reward flights on Avios. Not all will mean the operation makes money.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: AIR MALTA
Posted 2013-01-13 10:35:30 and read 11435 times.

Quoting jet72uk (Reply 166):
TUN runs at 85-90%.

Are you sure about the figures. Was always interested in the performance of that route as I use it a lot (and wish it could be moved to LHR for better connectivity).

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: BA0197
Posted 2013-01-14 07:24:48 and read 11117 times.

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 168):
Are you sure about the figures. Was always interested in the performance of that route as I use it a lot (and wish it could be moved to LHR for better connectivity).

I too utilise this route often. I wish that it would move to LHR to allow for connectivity to US flights. It also almost always requires a nightstop over in London. I truely hate National Express and how they manage to charge 25 pounds each way for their coach service.

I would have thought that with the Tunisian revolution having happened that BA would see that most of its buisness would be from people not going on holiday. It is always full when I travel with heavy CE cabins (often to row 10). With the LHR slots, I would have thought that TUN would have been ahead of MRS for a change of London airport.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: AIR MALTA
Posted 2013-01-14 08:37:05 and read 11041 times.

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 169):
I would have thought that with the Tunisian revolution having happened that BA would see that most of its buisness would be from people not going on holiday. It is always full when I travel with heavy CE cabins (often to row 10). With the LHR slots, I would have thought that TUN would have been ahead of MRS for a change of London airport.

Tunis service does not need 3 daily flights and it can be transferred to LHR by using slots to destinations that have multiple daily flights. The same could be said for the services to ALG. But it seems that BA is happy to keep both at LGW.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: jet72uk
Posted 2013-01-14 12:38:14 and read 10839 times.

Appears lots of people use the Tunis route then?! The % was average load factors last 3 months.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: jet72uk
Posted 2013-01-14 12:39:37 and read 10903 times.

For the record the new LBA/RTM routes are doing appallingly. (from LHR)

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: shuttle9juliet
Posted 2013-01-15 01:53:44 and read 10635 times.

Quoting jet72uk (Reply 172):

I've heard that too, but they are really just slot fillers until the 787 comes in may..They will get dropped..

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: AIR MALTA
Posted 2013-01-15 02:38:34 and read 10613 times.

Quoting shuttle9juliet (Reply 173):
I've heard that too, but they are really just slot fillers until the 787 comes in may..They will get dropped..

The same if for Dublin I guess. I was on the 19:40 to LHR last week end we were merely 20 or so pax on an A319.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: shuttle9juliet
Posted 2013-01-15 02:50:34 and read 10581 times.

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 174):

So I've heard? But I thought Dublin would have worked? I can't get my head around that one? EI must be up to something with BA, LHR-DUB was that not once one of the busiest routes in the world?

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2013-01-15 03:20:16 and read 10561 times.

Never understood Dublin and BA, they just can't make it work. I genuinely would love to know why. Surely all the BMI passengers didn't go to Aer Lingus? They even ran LGW-DUB and LCY-DUB for a time, although LGW was inherited from CFE.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: shuttle9juliet
Posted 2013-01-15 03:25:04 and read 10808 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 176):

Something not quite right about it? I am sure BMI had decent loads and was a good yielding route?As you say, not all off them could have gone to EI.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: HUYfan
Posted 2013-01-15 03:49:40 and read 10764 times.

By738, you stated that due to feedback, a few high premium routes had moved back to WW. KWI and LAX are in BA's top 20 longhaul routes, both of which came to MF in the last 6 months. Go figure

Kind regards

Mike

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: VV701
Posted 2013-01-15 07:41:00 and read 10609 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 164):
The long haul fleet remains at 2005 levels having fallen away and recovered

Much of this oscillation reflected the impact of the EU / USA Open Skies agreement that came into force as of 30 March 2008. With most of their competitors operating trans-Atlantic flights from LGW moving these flights to LHR on that date BA needed to respond. As a result aircraft operating west bound flights out of LGW on 29 March 2008 operated the return east bound flight to LHR.

Examples are:

G-VIIE. 29 Mar 2008: LGW-IAH (BA2025). IAH-LHR (BA194)

G-VIIF. 30 Mar 2008: LGW-DFW (BA2193). DFW-LHR (BA192)

Both of these 772s then continued to operate for British Airways Main Fleet Heathrow after the above transfer from the Gatwick Fleet.

The Gatwick 772 fleet had also been depleted by one aircraft only a few weeks before. After the loss of G-YMMM when it crash landed at LHR on 17 January what had been the BA back-up long haul aircraft stationed at LGW effectively replaced the lost frame when it was moved to join the Main Fleet at Heathrow. Since then I do not think that that aircraft has ever been replaced. So even today if an LGW based 772 goes tech it is covered by ferrying in the back-up aircraft from LHR.

All this says is that fluctuations in the LGW long haul fleet do not necessarily indicate any change in the commitment of BA to long haul operations out of LGW. Other factors may be in play.

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 169):
With the LHR slots, I would have thought that TUN would have been ahead of MRS for a change of London airport.

I do not think we should expect all those flights recently moved from LGW to LHR to continue to operate out of LHR on a permanent basis. Once both the 380s and 787s start to be delivered BA will have to free up some LHR slots if they are to use them. They could immediately retire old long haul aircraft. But if they did this on a one-for-one basis we would see hardly any expansion of the BA long haul services that was promised with the purchase of BD. So I expect BA to also discontinue some short haul flights or transfer some (back?) to LGW. So it is at least possible that the MRS flights were temporarily moved to LHR because it was more important not to mess the TUN service about.

If I may combine the two aspects of this post it may be remembered that in order to create LHR slots to facilitate the transfer of flights to the USA from LGW to LHR back in March 2008 - see above - BA temporarily transferred its three-times-daily flights between LHR and WAW to LGW. Then they movied them back to LHR as soon as they had obtained additional LHR slots. What we have seen so far with the MRS service may be the same but in reverse, a temporary move to LHR and an effective slot sitting.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: 1stfl94
Posted 2013-01-15 12:18:31 and read 10469 times.

Quoting by738 (Reply 157):
Quoting skipness1E (Reply 156):
introduction of MF has seen a clear improvement at LHR

That remains debatable, and based on feedback a few high premium routes switching back to WW

BA has switched a number of routes between cabin crew fleets, usually more dependant on aircraft, frequencies and trip patterns rather than rumoured feedback. Plus pretty much most of the longhaul network at LHR would be defined as premium!

Quoting jet72uk (Reply 166):
As for HKT, SEZ and FLL these have been rumoured for years, but then so was CMB and that starts in Mar

CMB seems like quite a cautious start though by extending the MLE flight, I doubt the others will come online anytime in the near future

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: jet72uk
Posted 2013-01-15 16:08:24 and read 10303 times.

I'm sure ALG will and should be moved to LHR, while AGA should be moved to LGW. I can possibly see an LGW-MAD being re-introduced and think NAS and GCM should be moved but not with it's current 767 a/c type.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2013-01-15 16:24:26 and read 10290 times.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 179):
Much of this oscillation reflected the impact of the EU / USA Open Skies agreement that came into force as of 30 March 2008.

Yes I know, I used to shoot those very B777s inbound and the business focus has evolved back to the old British Airtours model of long haul leisure. IAH/ATL/DFW were the last of their kind at LGW.

Weekly long haul deparures by season :
2005S 59
2005W 60
2006S 63
2006W 62
2007S 64
2007W 64
2008S 46
2008W 51
2009S 46
2009W 51
2010S 52
2010W 49
2011S 56
2011W 57
2012S 54
2012W 57

They've done well to get back to where they were bearing in mind most of the long haul operation went back to LHR.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: vectismanpaul
Posted 2013-01-18 01:45:07 and read 10002 times.

Thanks to all of you who got this thread back on topic recently!! Does anyone know if schedule update is now more or less complete? I see that Mauritius has been changed to a day flight both ways for the summer now.

Thanks

V.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: vectismanpaul
Posted 2013-01-19 09:18:19 and read 9670 times.

I see that Boeing 737 G-DOCE returned from Sofia maintenance today after a 19 day stay. Boeing 737 G-DOCN left for maintenance at Sofia this morning. I think usually the 737s go to BA Engineering at Glasgow, although both Glasgow and Prestwick are both very busy at the moment with Airbus work. Quite a few of the 737s have had long maintemance checks recently and some a repaint. Hopefully this, along with extra A319s, will enable the summer schedule to run smoothly. Interestingly the BA schedule at Gatwick has run very smoothly during the recent bad weather with some delays and only one or two cancellations to Jersey (owing to bad weather there) Hope BA bosses note that their operation at Gatwick is performing well in bad weather.
Is there scope for BA in times of extreme weather and suc like at Heathrow to operate more flights temporarily from Gatwick. I have transferred several times LGW-LHR and vice versa and it hasn't been too bad at all.
As always any comments and views welcome.

V.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: vectismanpaul
Posted 2013-01-25 14:05:59 and read 9143 times.

Any BA Gatwick news? How is Manchester doing in its final weeks? Any rumours re Winter 2013/2014? Whe do the A319 arrive in numbers?

Thanks
V.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: jet72uk
Posted 2013-02-01 01:35:05 and read 8723 times.

I had to take the coach yeserday from LHR T5 to LGW North. I timed it at 38mins 47sec. I didn't thinknthis was too bad considering this was 1630 on a Thursday afternoon and the fact it was a coach not a car.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: AIR MALTA
Posted 2013-02-01 02:31:11 and read 8635 times.

Quoting jet72uk (Reply 186):
I had to take the coach yeserday from LHR T5 to LGW North. I timed it at 38mins 47sec. I didn't thinknthis was too bad considering this was 1630 on a Thursday afternoon and the fact it was a coach not a car.

I usually do that when I have to take the LGW-TUN flight connecting from LHR. I think that National Express are a rip off and the whole LHR-LGW transfer is a hassle. I lose almost a day if I want to go to Tunis. I am not sure I am going to repeat that that often.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: Vasu
Posted 2013-02-01 10:38:34 and read 8331 times.

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 187):
National Express are a rip off

True! Not to mention very rude (from my own experience)... I've seen drivers shouting angrily at arriving passengers who (obviously) don't speak much English. Not a good first impression to give our arriving tourists...

/rant

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: vectismanpaul
Posted 2013-02-10 14:14:40 and read 7814 times.

In a few weeks the A319s will arrive for the Summer. Some of the 737s have had heavy maintenance too.
Any news of anymore schedule changes?

Thanks.
V.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: AIR MALTA
Posted 2013-02-10 15:40:33 and read 7691 times.

Sitting right now on a National Express after landing 1:30 late from Tunis. We disembarked at a remote stand (although there were many empty gates), bussed to arrivals and bags appeared 40 min later. Result:instead of being at my heathrow hotel at around 21:30, I willbe there at around midnight. Luckily my flight to Shannon is only at 10:05 in the morning (if snow does not bring everything to standstill). This whole LGW-LHR transfer is a big hassle.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: vectismanpaul
Posted 2013-02-23 00:42:23 and read 7037 times.

Good to see the Gatwick to Barcelona route re-instated by BA today 3 times daily. Alicante, Tenerife and Arrecife to follow soon.
Would be good to see Las Palmas return for the winter. Always a good seasonal route from the UK.
Anyone got any other news re new destinations for Winter 2013/2014? Any chance of Malta for example?
I would personally like the Paphos link maintained year round even at lower frequency. Lots of villa owners travel there throughout the winter when the only choice is Easyjet. Considering some of the fares on offer during the summer this route does well for BA from March to October.
Finally still finding it hard to accept Gatwick-Manchester will be no more!! Used the route quite a bit from the BCAL days through to the present. Oh well, need to move on!!

V.

[Edited 2013-02-23 00:44:48]

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: vectismanpaul
Posted 2013-02-23 03:41:30 and read 6801 times.

I would also like to see the following routes from Gatwick considered by BA from 2013/2014 onwards

Geneva (all year round instead of Winter seasonal)
Milan
Madrid (IAGs 2nd Hub especially for South America)
Las Palmas
Malta
Palma (Seasonal)

Colombo (To be direct to compete more effectively with Sri Lankan)
Fort Lauderdale
Seychelles (Less direct competition these days)

And of course keep Manchester!! (Sorry couldn't resist it!!)

V.

[Edited 2013-02-23 04:26:30]

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: rutankrd
Posted 2013-02-23 04:41:33 and read 6684 times.

Quoting vectismanpaul (Reply 192):


Geneva (all year round instead of Winter seasonal) - would weaken LHR and LCY (Don't see it)

Milan - Dominated by U2 however BA serve the more valuable leisure route to Turin so no don't see it soon

Madrid (IAGs 2nd Hub especially for South America) - would weaken LHR and LCY (Don't see it)

Las Palmas (Just possible with current leisure portfolio)

Malta - UK travel not what it was to the George Cross Isle

Palma (Seasonal) - City folk have flights on the door step for the weekend away

Colombo - To be direct to compete more effectively with Sri Lankan) - Not enough demand for full 77E.
If it does reach those levels expect it to head north over the downs past the race courses and over the river pronto.

Fort Lauderdale - Just far too close to Miami - With the AA/BA JV not going to happen .

Seychelles (Less direct competition these days) - Maybe

And of course keep Manchester!! (Sorry couldn't resist it!!)

That chancellor really has no idea what he has done here .Whats more it effects his OWN constituents - Many in Tatton (Those footballers wifes and families of renown) were used to traveling via the link to those premium leisure destinations served by the BA leisure fleet.
They will not be boarding a National Express Coach for a hour thats for sure !

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: vectismanpaul
Posted 2013-02-23 04:57:45 and read 6646 times.

Rutankrd

Many thanks for your well thought out and argued reply.
Always helpful to read such posts to help me think my ideas through.
As far as Geneva and Milan go I was thinking of BA challenging Easyjet at Gatwick for traffic. They seem to being doing well up against them for Malaga, Ibiza and now Barcelona for example. Competition good for both of them.
Thanks again.

V.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: GSTBA
Posted 2013-02-25 20:09:55 and read 6032 times.

Quoting vectismanpaul (Reply 185):
When do the A319 arrive in numbers?

The A319's will all begin operating from LGW from the first day of the S13 schedule which starts on the 31st March. The aircraft are expected to begin arriving at LGW the day before. The A319's are currently expected to operate as follows on the the 31st March

A/C 1 - LGW-BCN-LGW-PFO-LGW
A/C 2 - LGW-AGP-LGW-VCE-LGW-BOD-LGW
A/C 3 - LGW-EDI-LGW-ACE-EDI
A/C 4 - LGW-GVA-LGW-FAO-LGW-NCE
A/C 5 - LGW-ALC-LGW-VRN-LGW

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: bluesky73
Posted 2013-02-26 03:23:26 and read 5853 times.

Is it just 5 ex BMI 319s or will all 11 eventually migrate to LGW? Does anyone with inside knowledge know which particular 319s will be based at LGW or will it be decided nearer time dependent on aircraft rotations?

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: GSTBA
Posted 2013-02-26 04:04:50 and read 5807 times.

Quoting bluesky73 (Reply 196):
Is it just 5 ex BMI 319s or will all 11 eventually migrate to LGW?

BA plan to begin the retirement of the 737 fleet during W13. The plan is that the 1st aircraft will be removed from service at the end of October. With another 3 aircraft leaving before the start of the S14 schedule. Overall capacity will remain as W13 due to the fact that BA will continue to base the 5 A319's at LGW.

Heard last week that BA plan to more than double the number of A319's at LGW for S14 compared to S13. BA plan to operate 10 to 12 A319's and 13 734's from LGW during S14.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: Bongodog1964
Posted 2013-02-26 04:31:30 and read 5748 times.

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 197):
BA plan to begin the retirement of the 737 fleet during W13. The plan is that the 1st aircraft will be removed from service at the end of October. With another 3 aircraft leaving before the start of the S14 schedule. Overall capacity will remain as W13 due to the fact that BA will continue to base the 5 A319's at LGW.

Heard last week that BA plan to more than double the number of A319's at LGW for S14 compared to S13. BA plan to operate 10 to 12 A319's and 13 734's from LGW during S14.

It appears from what you have said that the traditional summer migration of four or five A319's from LHR to LGW will continue, but instead of migrating back in the autumn they will stay at LGW and replace 734's until all the 734's are history.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: bluesky73
Posted 2013-02-26 04:39:01 and read 5736 times.

Thanks for the update GSTBA, if you say LGW 319s will be between 10-12 i imagine all the G-DBC* buses will eventually be based at LGW.

So doing the sums the short-haul fleet will be increasing at LGW fleet by S14. The 10 320s that start arriving this June i assume will facilitate this release?

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: VV701
Posted 2013-02-26 06:44:30 and read 5626 times.

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 197):
Heard last week that BA plan to more than double the number of A319's at LGW for S14 compared to S13. BA plan to operate 10 to 12 A319's and 13 734's from LGW during S14.

Before the start of the Summer 2014 Timetable BA are scheduled to take delivery of six new 320s. They are slated for delivery in June, September and November 2013 and January, February and March 2014. I assume that it is these aircraft that will free up the 319s from the LHR fleet so they can replace the older 734s in the LGW fleet. Is it likely that as each of these 320s are delivered another 319 will be transferred to LGW and one more 734 will be retired?

On another tack the last 734 to leave the BA fleet was G-DOCP. It was withdrawn from use almost eight years ago on 21 March 2005. That's a pretty long gap.

'CP had accumulated 29,800 hours flying time after it it ad been ferried to GLA for its end of lease maintenance. Today the older 734s in the BA fleet have accumulated around 50,000 hours. For example G-DOCA had flown 47,456 hours at the end of 2011 after flying 2,649 hours in that calendar year. So it is likely to have accumulated somewhat over 50,000 hours by now.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: JerseyFlyer
Posted 2013-02-26 07:52:13 and read 5525 times.

Does this mean that there will be 2 standards of seating / pitch on LGW 319s?

I.e. the ex-BMI ones with inferior seating and the ex-LHR BA ones.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2013-02-26 08:04:32 and read 5580 times.

Where are we on the LGW fleet replacement program then? It seems to have just been forgotten about in the excitement of second hand BMI aircraft with lousy pitch? Are we really going for a third generation of LHR cast offs for LGW?

Also what's the current based fleet of legacy BA A319s?

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: liverpoola380
Posted 2013-02-26 08:26:03 and read 5522 times.

Does anyone think the LGW - MAN route will ever be operational again.

I fly regular on this route and loads are always good. Not sure of ticket fairs but it seems to be busy.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2013-02-26 08:43:17 and read 5502 times.

Quoting liverpoola380 (Reply 203):
Not sure of ticket fairs but it seems to be busy.

Are you commuting as cabin crew? I think too many of the bums on seats are airline staff on this one.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: hotplane
Posted 2013-02-26 08:48:38 and read 5494 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 202):
Also what's the current based fleet of legacy BA A319s?

I believe it's EUOB & EUOE.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-02-26 08:59:31 and read 5470 times.

Quoting liverpoola380 (Reply 203):
Does anyone think the LGW - MAN route will ever be operational again.

Probably not unfortunately...

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: Bongodog1964
Posted 2013-02-26 10:34:51 and read 5362 times.

Quoting bluesky73 (Reply 199):
So doing the sums the short-haul fleet will be increasing at LGW fleet by S14. The 10 320s that start arriving this June i assume will facilitate this release?

I read it as a one for one replacement, however there is always the possibility of some expansion if they can find routes to profitably use the spare aircraft on.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 202):
Where are we on the LGW fleet replacement program then? It seems to have just been forgotten about in the excitement of second hand BMI aircraft with lousy pitch? Are we really going for a third generation of LHR cast offs for LGW?

It appears so.

[quote=skipness1E,reply=202]Also what's the current based fleet of legacy BA A319s?

Zero

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: ZuluTime
Posted 2013-02-26 12:56:22 and read 5224 times.

Skipness 1E, have flown on two of the ex-bmi A319s in service with BA (on flights to/from LHR) in the last few days and I found the seat-pitch to be absolutely fine. Although the aircraft have 144 seats, the seats are of a pretty modern lightweight design which still provides more than ample legroom. I'd have no hesitation in getting on one again if that's what I knew I was paying for.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2013-02-26 14:51:52 and read 5122 times.

Quoting ZuluTime (Reply 208):
I'd have no hesitation in getting on one again if that's what I knew I was paying for.

The issue is that when someone is paying for Club, you expect a little more. I was in row 3 on a domestic last year and it was uncomfortably tight, the first and only time I have seen this with BA. It compares very badly with the acres of space down the front on a standard BA A319. So if I was shelling out loads of AVIOs or paying for Club and I got that, I'd be pretty miffed. Indeed if you head over to flyertalk you'll see a lot of people agree. A non issue in Y but that's not the point I am making.

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: goldcrest
Posted 2013-02-26 15:01:33 and read 5113 times.

Although the ex BMI 319 has two extra rows added, the two toilets at the rear have been removed.

One is relocated in the galley area, and one removed altogether.

Therefore, the extra rows in the cabin have little impact on seat pitch......

Topic: RE: BA Gatwick News Thread
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2013-02-26 16:21:50 and read 5039 times.

Quoting goldcrest (Reply 210):
Therefore, the extra rows in the cabin have little impact on seat pitch......

In what sense? I already said makes no difference in economy, however the "average" is not a helpful stat here.
Club is being offered on LGW short haul, normally Club passengers have the seats at the front with the noticeably more generous leg room. The BMI aircraft lack that, indeed they are properly tight from Row One. Hence, Club now has a pretty inconsistent product with BA A319s being substantially more spacious up front than the ex BMI ones.

What's now going to happen is people cashing in loads of AVIOS and/or spending a lot of money expecting a level of comfort they're sure as **** not going to be offered. Is this such a difficult concept? Taking this product to market in BA colours has already seen a backlash at LHR, adding to the feeling sub-par service is being offered out of T1, where most of the G-DBC* A319s are based. It's a sub par layout when one is offering an allegedly premium service.


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