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Topic: First 787 Takes Flight Since Grounding
Username: JETnyc
Posted 2013-02-07 09:39:38 and read 20864 times.

The first 787-8 took off this morning 2-7-13 since the grounding of all 787s. Final stop Pane field WA. See story.

http://bitly.com/YGX3ma

Topic: RE: First 787 Takes Flight Since Grounding
Username: stealth777
Posted 2013-02-07 09:45:09 and read 20795 times.

Which 787 was this that was ferried from Texas back to Paine Field? Kinda interesting starting point as I don't recall any 787 being stuck in Ft. Worth area.

Topic: RE: First 787 Takes Flight Since Grounding
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-02-07 09:47:47 and read 20771 times.

Quoting stealth777 (Reply 1):
Which 787 was this that was ferried from Texas back to Paine Field?

I think its China Southern Aircraft B-2727, not entirely sure.

Topic: RE: First 787 Takes Flight Since Grounding
Username: migair54
Posted 2013-02-07 09:57:44 and read 20648 times.

Today i read that Air India flew a couple of them from DEL to BOM after the officially grounding of the fleet, they argument that the maintenance base is in BOM and taxes in DEL are very expensive, so Indian Aviation Authority allow them to ferry the planes to BOM.

Topic: RE: First 787 Takes Flight Since Grounding
Username: DTW2HYD
Posted 2013-02-07 10:00:50 and read 20605 times.

Quoting JETnyc (Thread starter):
The first 787-8 took off this morning 2-7-13 since the grounding of all 787s

I wouldn't say this the first. AI had two revenue flights and few ferry flights after FAA grounding.

Topic: RE: First 787 Takes Flight Since Grounding
Username: dc1030cf
Posted 2013-02-07 10:22:38 and read 20352 times.

It's CZ's B-2727. Almost back to KPAE landing.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE382

Topic: RE: First 787 Takes Flight Since Grounding
Username: rotating14
Posted 2013-02-07 10:33:02 and read 20203 times.

Hopefully the FAA will allow test flights after this -8 lands in Everett.

Topic: RE: First 787 Takes Flight Since Grounding
Username: migair54
Posted 2013-02-07 10:38:57 and read 20125 times.

What are they doing exactly to fix the problem?? new battery?? changes in the system??

I guess the battle with airlines for compensation is going to be hard. Will we every get to know the deals??

Topic: RE: First 787 Takes Flight Since Grounding
Username: ETinCaribe
Posted 2013-02-07 13:14:57 and read 19451 times.

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 6):
Hopefully the FAA will allow test flights after this -8 lands in Everett.

Isn't the grounding only for rev flights, i.e. Boeing can run test flights? Or is the directive applicable to ALL flights?

Topic: RE: First 787 Takes Flight Since Grounding
Username: jetblueguy22
Posted 2013-02-07 14:34:56 and read 19080 times.

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 8):
Isn't the grounding only for rev flights, i.e. Boeing can run test flights? Or is the directive applicable to ALL flights?

Judging by the article it is all flights. They probably needed to apply for a Special Flight Permit. I would guess if only revenue flights were denied LOT would have flown theirs back to Poland so they could have it stored on their own property. I can't imagine keeping it at ORD is cheap.
Blue

Topic: RE: First 787 Takes Flight Since Grounding
Username: sandyb123
Posted 2013-02-07 14:51:29 and read 18968 times.

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 9):
Judging by the article it is all flights. They probably needed to apply for a Special Flight Permit. I would guess if only revenue flights were denied LOT would have flown theirs back to Poland so they could have it stored on their own property. I can't imagine keeping it at ORD is cheap.

It's all flights, rev or otherwise. Whilst the type is grounded each flight has to be specifically approved by the FAA and each country has to specifically approve the overflight. It's a paperwork headache, but at least your dealing with only one airspace.

Sandyb123

Topic: RE: First 787 Takes Flight Since Grounding
Username: justloveplanes
Posted 2013-02-07 15:05:24 and read 18856 times.

I am still getting my head around the all fight grounding. This is a bigger restriction than during the entire 3 year test program when the risks were much higher. It is illogical to stop test flights. There are safe places to fly this thing.

Topic: RE: First 787 Takes Flight Since Grounding
Username: blueflyer
Posted 2013-02-07 15:05:49 and read 18856 times.

Quoting stealth777 (Reply 1):
Kinda interesting starting point as I don't recall any 787 being stuck in Ft. Worth area.

Leading Edge has a painting facility at FTW where 787s assembled in CHS go to get their livery.

I think this flight has as much to do with Leading Edge wanting the aircraft out of their single bay and FTW not having a lot of spare room for an idle 787 as anything else. It's only a guess, but it is quite possible that Leading Edge wants to send another aircraft in for painting while the 787s are down. In the past, they have painted other aircraft, up to a United 747.

This 787 may end up being the test-bed aircraft, but they certainly could have found one in PAE as well, only this one needed to move.

Topic: RE: First 787 Takes Flight Since Grounding
Username: RobK
Posted 2013-02-07 15:29:34 and read 18421 times.

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 12):
Leading Edge has a painting facility at FTW where 787s assembled in CHS go to get their livery.

I think this flight has as much to do with Leading Edge wanting the aircraft out of their single bay and FTW not having a lot of spare room for an idle 787 as anything else. It's only a guess, but it is quite possible that Leading Edge wants to send another aircraft in for painting while the 787s are down. In the past, they have painted other aircraft, up to a United 747.

This 787 may end up being the test-bed aircraft, but they certainly could have found one in PAE as well, only this one needed to move.

The plane was already in the CZ 787 livery when it flew there from PAE....

http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/8146392943/in/photostream

Topic: RE: First 787 Takes Flight Since Grounding
Username: KC135R
Posted 2013-02-07 17:57:17 and read 15719 times.

Looks like more to come, the FAA has authorized 787 test flights to "collect data about the battery and electrical system performance while the aircraft is airborne."

Link:
http://leehamnews.wordpress.com/

Topic: RE: First 787 Takes Flight Since Grounding
Username: andytb77
Posted 2013-02-07 19:48:55 and read 14105 times.

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 12):
This 787 may end up being the test-bed aircraft, but they certainly could have found one in PAE as well, only this one needed to move.
Quoting KC135R (Reply 14):
Looks like more to come, the FAA has authorized 787 test flights to "collect data about the battery and electrical system performance while the aircraft is airborne."

Link:
http://leehamnews.wordpress.com/

The link above from Leeham News states that ZA005 will be the test bed aircraft.

From the post: "Boeing will resume limited 787 flight test activities soon with a flight of ZA005, the fifth flight test airplane. This activity has been approved by the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration."

Topic: RE: First 787 Takes Flight Since Grounding
Username: blueflyer
Posted 2013-02-07 19:56:28 and read 13997 times.

Quoting RobK (Reply 13):
The plane was already in the CZ 787 livery when it flew there from PAE....

I haven't seen it since it left the paint bay, but the rumor is it came in to get a special livery as the first delivery for China Southern.

Topic: RE: First 787 Takes Flight Since Grounding
Username: flightsimer
Posted 2013-02-07 21:36:55 and read 12769 times.

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 9):
Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 10):

I think if Boeing slapped an experimental sticker on them, they could fly them how ever much they want as that sticker is saying they are no longer conforming to the issued type certificate. However, I don't know what it takes to be allowed to make it an experimental temporaly.

Topic: RE: First 787 Takes Flight Since Grounding
Username: Cricket
Posted 2013-02-07 23:38:31 and read 11392 times.

Not quite true, AI positioned their 787's between DEL and BOM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2613649.html?utm_hp_ref=business

This is the first 787 that flew in the US post-grounding

Topic: RE: First 787 Takes Flight Since Grounding
Username: TheSultanOfWing
Posted 2013-02-09 05:23:31 and read 4018 times.

Since all 8 threads on the grounding have been locked, I was hoping we could maintain this thread to get any news on the B787 checks and return to service!

Please, if you have any news........do share!


FH

Topic: RE: First 787 Takes Flight Since Grounding
Username: NAV20
Posted 2013-02-09 05:50:07 and read 3934 times.

First test flight will be today........

"Boeing will begin flight tests of its 787 Dreamliner on Saturday morning to gather data on the battery system that has caused the in-service 787 fleet to be grounded, according to an inside source.

"The plane that will fly Saturday is Dreamliner No. 5, one of six planes filled with measuring equipment that was used in the flight tests for the 787’s original Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) certification.

"Ground tests were successfully completed on the jet Friday."


http://seattletimes.com/html/busines...y/2020320276_787flighttestxml.html

Topic: RE: First 787 Takes Flight Since Grounding
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-02-09 12:11:21 and read 3545 times.

A flight plan for ZA005 has been filled.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE5

Topic: RE: First 787 Takes Flight Since Grounding
Username: dtwlax
Posted 2013-02-09 17:24:02 and read 3097 times.

Here is the latest information from today's flight... actually not much information!

http://news.yahoo.com/boeing-sends-7...ht-seattle-214959329--finance.html

Topic: RE: First 787 Takes Flight Since Grounding
Username: NAV20
Posted 2013-02-09 19:00:26 and read 2881 times.

Quoting dtwlax (Reply 22):
actually not much information!

You can say that again, dtwlax!  

This story does at least add four words to the available info; "the flight was uneventful."

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/10/bu...87-completes-test-flight.html?_r=0

Topic: RE: First 787 Takes Flight Since Grounding
Username: zkokq
Posted 2013-02-09 19:09:02 and read 2842 times.

Any information available yet as to what info was gathered during the flight?

Topic: RE: First 787 Takes Flight Since Grounding
Username: piedmont727
Posted 2013-02-09 19:41:35 and read 2803 times.

anyone got a guess on what there doing to fix the 787s and when they might be legally back up?

Topic: RE: First 787 Takes Flight Since Grounding
Username: robsaw
Posted 2013-02-10 22:11:51 and read 2168 times.

Quoting piedmont727 (Reply 25):
anyone got a guess on what there doing to fix the 787s and when they might be legally back up?

What they are doing is still trying to positively identify the problem. Until that happens there is NO possible approved fix and NO possible legal way back to regular flights.


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