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Topic: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: SexyAdonis
Posted 2013-02-03 15:59:48 and read 11519 times.

This just in ...



QF rejigs Singapore, Hong Kong, Bangkok flights, cuts Frankfurt

Qantas has just announced some significant changes to its Asia network as part of its strategy for the region, with the retiming of flights, more frequencies to some destinations and the suspension of several routes - including bringing forward the cessation of Frankfurt flights to 15 Apr 2013.

The restructure sees existing services to Asia no longer tied to onward links to Europe, with Qantas International ceo Simon Hickey saying the number of dedicated QF seats to Hong Kong and Singapore is increasing significantly because capacity previously set aside for customers going to Europe via these hubs can be freed up.

"The joint Qantas-Emirates network into Asia gives our customers a fresh set of options, including double daily services to Singapore from Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane," Hickey said.

Effective for sale today and for travel from 31 Mar the changes will see earlier arrival times into HKG, BKK and SIN, with flights brought forward by up to three hours to increase the number of onward connections.

Qantas will cease operating direct flights between Perth and Hong Kong from 31 Mar, and will also suspend its QF81/82 non-stop service from Adelaide to Singapore effective 14 Apr, while Perth-Singapore will reduce to once daily.

The changes also see the addition of Kuala Lumpur to the Qantas network, via a codeshare on the daily EK409 service from Melbourne to KUL.

Frequencies will also increase on Brisbane-Hong Kong (from four to seven weekly) and Sydney-Singapore (four additional weekly flights, increasing to 7 from June).

The Qantas-Emirates partnership remains subject to ACCC approval.

MEANWHILE the new Qantas Asia strategy also includes a range of subsequent phases, including an enhanced customer experience such as a possible refresh of the international A330 fleet to include a lie-flat bed in Business Class.

Hickey also flagged possibly expanding links with local partners in Asia such as Japan Airlines, China Eastern, Jet Airways, Cathay Pacific and Malaysia Airlines.

And from 2016 Qantas is looking at a range of new destinations across the region utilising its new B787-9 optioned aircraft, with direct flights being considered to Beijing, Seoul, Mumbai, Delhi and Tokyo Haneda.

Source: Travel Daily (Australia) - 04 February 2013

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: vhebb
Posted 2013-02-03 16:17:10 and read 11413 times.

New Schedule:

http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20130204/pdf/42ctm8nyxl52zm.pdf

Looking at the timeline my guess is the MEL-SIN-MEL and BNE-SIN-BNE will both switch from B744 to A330 in April.

Maybe more B744 retirements planned?

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: DolphinAir747
Posted 2013-02-03 16:26:14 and read 11333 times.

Bad news for the people in PER and ADL...

Will QF deploy the 744 on any of those routes? Otherwise where will they send all of them?

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: allrite
Posted 2013-02-03 16:35:56 and read 11246 times.

I did some dummy bookings and it looks like there are still some 747s to SIN from some eastern capitals after March/April.

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: Mikey86
Posted 2013-02-03 16:37:31 and read 11224 times.

Quoting allrite (Reply 4):
I did some dummy bookings and it looks like there are still some 747s to SIN from some eastern capitals after March/April.

The GDS is still not updated properly yet by the looks of it. I have been looking at timetables all morning!

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: airbusa322
Posted 2013-02-03 17:12:09 and read 11048 times.

Quoting SexyAdonis (Thread starter):
The changes also see the addition of Kuala Lumpur to the Qantas network, via a codeshare on the daily EK409 service from Melbourne to KUL.

New Destination? What rubbish.

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: Mikey86
Posted 2013-02-03 17:20:35 and read 11008 times.

Quoting airbusa322 (Reply 6):
New Destination? What rubbish.

It should say "resuming" services to KUL via codeshare technically aye.

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: qf002
Posted 2013-02-03 17:48:30 and read 10856 times.

It all seems to make pretty good sense to me, though I do think it's a shame that they're dropping so much service outside the east coast. I'm still curious to know what else they plan to cut (given they still have too many flights for the planned size of their fleet) -- my money is on SYD-BKK next (since they can use EK's flights to cover that market now), followed by MNL or JKT. That should bring them down to a level where they can send an A333 to NRT to replace the 744 and cover reconfigurations.

Quoting vhebb (Reply 1):
SYD-SIN-SYD will increase to double daily.

I wish they had released more details on what was happening with SYD-SIN. The QF5/6 timings don't work for a local service (QF6 currently departs before QF5 arrives), and I daresay a 744 would be better suited to the morning service with more potential for connections, with the afternoon departure switching to an A330.

They really need to figure out what they're doing and publish some final schedules. These are changes that are happening in 9 weeks time, not next year some time.

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 3):
Otherwise where will they send all of them?

The desert. 9 frames are due to be retired in the next 12-18 months.

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: AusA380
Posted 2013-02-03 18:15:32 and read 10758 times.

Not much of a focus on Asia - cutting ADL, reducing PER, effectively handing SYD-HKG to CX (VS fly as frequently as QF now), no new cities fo QF.

QF sold pup to the regulars and the public as to how the EK deal will allow it to be more focused on the emerging (how long has it been emerging) Asian markets.

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: nrt1011
Posted 2013-02-03 18:24:32 and read 10713 times.

And the Sydney Morning Herald's input too

http://www.smh.com.au/business/qanta...twork-overhaul-20130204-2dtku.html

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: qf002
Posted 2013-02-03 18:28:18 and read 10697 times.

Quoting AusA380 (Reply 9):
effectively handing SYD-HKG to CX

I disagree. QF offers First to HKG (and will do for a long time to come, given the money they've just spent on a new First Lounge at HKG), which CX doesn't, and will fly more capacity on the route when it goes to a daily A380 compared with 18 months ago.

QF87/88 made sense when they offered alternative timings to QF127/128 but don't add much to the schedule anymore. Going daily from BNE is far more meaningful than having a second SYD departure 4 hours after the first one three days a week.

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: AusA380
Posted 2013-02-03 19:06:13 and read 10537 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 10):
I disagree. QF offers First to HKG (and will do for a long time to come, given the money they've just spent on a new First Lounge at HKG), which CX doesn't, and will fly more capacity on the route when it goes to a daily A380 compared with 18 months ago.

I think the issues here is not "capacity" but frequency. SYD and HKG I think is one of the city pairs from Australia (just like SYD-SIN) where frequency is now important.

Not that I have experienced it as yet I understand the CX J product is excellent and there was little value for them in retaining F class.

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: Flyingsottsman
Posted 2013-02-04 00:31:50 and read 9963 times.

They are not new desinations, Beijing, Seoul, Mumbai, were served then dropped years ago, not sure about Delhi and Tokyo is already served from NRT how would a Heneda service make a difference?

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: AirNiugini
Posted 2013-02-04 00:44:06 and read 9899 times.

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 12):

              

Quoting qf002 (Reply 7):
They really need to figure out what they're doing and publish some final schedules. These are changes that are happening in 9 weeks time, not next year some time.

Agreed, the international side of things are a complete mess. Qantas are not really giving the market confidence in their operations with so many cancellations.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 7):
The desert. 9 frames are due to be retired in the next 12-18 months.

   As a 747 fan, This is an outrage!!!!

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 2):

I didn't see the PER - HKG service being cut... I thought this would potentially being a growth market.

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: United Airline
Posted 2013-02-04 00:58:23 and read 9844 times.

Qantas International is getting super boring to me these days. I mean it's network and this cut this cut that crap.

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2013-02-04 01:03:59 and read 9829 times.

Strange to see ADL losing its QF flights to SIN and PER really has been left in no man's land on the QF international network.

For a city that is meant to be booming, QF to have cut NRT and now HKG from PER which leaves a very limited presence. The reliance on EK to service PER seems the main strategic move there, with not much else in it for that market to benefit from. In saying that though, PER is a very competitive market these days, and certainly punching above its weight currently, so maybe they see very little opportunities left there for its own services. Who knows.

I also see it as strange that they are announcing their plans so far down the track. That gives their competition well and truly enough time to start services or increase frequency in the meantime.

All of this seems like a bit of spin really at this point and nothing substantial will come for a few years , if at all.

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-02-04 01:13:18 and read 9779 times.

Quoting airbusa322 (Reply 5):
Quoting SexyAdonis (Thread starter):
The changes also see the addition of Kuala Lumpur to the Qantas network, via a codeshare on the daily EK409 service from Melbourne to KUL.

New Destination? What rubbish.

I had to read it twice & then I was disappointed when the code share was thrown in...

Quoting qf002 (Reply 7):
They really need to figure out what they're doing and publish some final schedules. These are changes that are happening in 9 weeks time, not next year some time.

Today's announcement is phase 1 with another 3 phases...

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 13):
As a 747 fan, This is an outrage!!!!

Have you seen VH-OJD lately...?

EK413

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: AirNiugini
Posted 2013-02-04 01:28:53 and read 9688 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 16):
Have you seen VH-OJD lately...?

Trying to make me cry?    ... LOL

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-02-04 01:45:55 and read 9609 times.

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 17):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 16):
Have you seen VH-OJD lately...?

Trying to make me cry? ... LOL

Lol... Thought I'll remind you  

EK413

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: tayser
Posted 2013-02-04 03:05:56 and read 9396 times.

Quoting airbusa322 (Reply 5):
New Destination? What rubbish.

NEw codeshare destination and can anyone confirm if QF have ever flown the sector by themselves in the past? I dare say they've probably only ever done MEL-SIN rather than KUL.

It's still the rubbish departure time of 2:45am however.

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-02-04 03:12:23 and read 9358 times.

Quoting tayser (Reply 19):
NEw codeshare destination and can anyone confirm if QF have ever flown the sector by themselves in the past? I dare say they've probably only ever done MEL-SIN rather than KUL.

In September 1965 Qantas launched the first V-Jet service through Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, for the Sydney–Kuala Lumpur–London route. In June 1969 Qantas had eleven 707s a week from Sydney to London, taking 29-32 hours...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangaroo_Route

EK413

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: CXfirst
Posted 2013-02-04 04:04:19 and read 9185 times.

Quoting SexyAdonis (Thread starter):
Qantas will cease operating direct flights between Perth and Hong Kong from 31 Mar, and will also suspend its QF81/82 non-stop service from Adelaide to Singapore effective 14 Apr, while Perth-Singapore will reduce to once daily.

I booked a TK frequent flyer flight for June back in November. I had the option of flying HKG-IST-OSL or SIN-IST-OSL, it ended up being HKG-IST-OSL, because at the time SQ was very expensive (more reasonable now), CX was reasonable and QF was very reasonable (both to HKG and SIN), but risky. I am very happy I booked CX, simply because I didn't trust QF's schedule, which would have caused problems for me.

Now, why would QF have offered such excellent fares when they seemingly had the cuts in plan the whole time and where waiting for ACCC approval of the EK deal? What happens to those passengers? Moved to CX? Refunds? Flown via SYD/MEL?

As a PER resident I feel like QF is really letting us down. EK deal is excellent, but for us, why bother booking with QF at all, the service from PER would be straight with EK, might as well book EK or any of the other great options.

-CXfirst

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: SYDSpotter
Posted 2013-02-04 04:07:57 and read 9175 times.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 15):
Strange to see ADL losing its QF flights to SIN and PER really has been left in no man's land on the QF international network.

For a city that is meant to be booming, QF to have cut NRT and now HKG from PER which leaves a very limited presence. The reliance on EK to service PER seems the main strategic move there, with not much else in it for that market to benefit from. In saying that though, PER is a very competitive market these days, and certainly punching above its weight currently, so maybe they see very little opportunities left there for its own services. Who knows.

I also see it as strange that they are announcing their plans so far down the track. That gives their competition well and truly enough time to start services or increase frequency in the meantime.

Yes, the cutting of PER-HKG was most surprising. But I hadn't realised that QF were only offering 3x services a week, so not that much of a loss overall but they are conceding the whole PER-Asia market to SQ,CX,MH and co. The PER-HKG services were probably not doing all too well given they were only 3x weekly so they would've captured very little of the corporate market. One can only guess if overall performance would've better had they had a daily service in place. Perhaps once things stablise and they get additional planes on board (i.e. getting A330's back from JQ), they will reintroduce these dropped PER services.

For ADL to SIN, wasn't SIN service from ADL a tag on from SYD?

Hopefully the announced changes are simply short-term until the Intl Division stabilises and they start getting the A330's back from JQ (And Boeing to get their act together with the 787's !!!). Only trouble will be once you drop a service, it will be hard to pick-up/retain the previous traffic (esp the frequent fliers) when you restart.

The retiming of the SYD-HKG is also a bit of a    Bringing forward the morning flight 45 mins doesn't add that much additional connectivity. As a comparison, the morning CX flight out of SYD departs 8.30am and gets into HKG at 3pm (vs 5.30pm on the retimed QF flight). I've been on the CX flight a number of flights (for the purposes of connecting into Asia) and found this was ideal for connecting.

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: StickShaker
Posted 2013-02-04 04:15:28 and read 9126 times.

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 22):
Hopefully the announced changes are simply short-term until the Intl Division stabilises and they start getting the A330's back from JQ

I think most of the 330's comming across from JQ to QF will be replacing the 767's to be retired - dont think there will be any net increase in frames.


Regards,
StickShaker

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: SYDSpotter
Posted 2013-02-04 04:31:06 and read 9072 times.

Quoting StickShaker (Reply 23):
I think most of the 330's comming across from JQ to QF will be replacing the 767's to be retired - dont think there will be any net increase in frames.

Yes you're right, although some of the A330's could be used internationally in addition to replacing the domestic 767's. I guess the real net increase will only come if/when the 789's are ordered for QF.

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: AirNiugini
Posted 2013-02-04 04:40:07 and read 9354 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 18):
Lol... Thought I'll remind you  

LOL, wheres the love?... I will enter a state of mourning when OJM retires... Been on that oldie heaps of times... sigh..

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 22):
Hopefully the announced changes are simply short-term until the Intl Division stabilises and they start getting the A330's back from JQ (And Boeing to get their act together with the 787's !!!). Only trouble will be once you drop a service, it will be hard to pick-up/retain the previous traffic (esp the frequent fliers) when you restart.

That's a great point. I'm sure there are a lot of airlines that will happily take up the slack left by QF without any major dramas, but is QF p!$$ing people off in the mean time by axing so many routes? Will this have a negative effect on forward bookings at all?   

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 22):
One can only guess if overall performance would've better had they had a daily service in place.

That's in man... Wouldn't economies of scale work well for QF considering it's higher costs? I read somewhere that that's what Dixon was trying to achieve with the A380 and the 787's... But alas, that was back in the Dreamtime...   

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: LuftyMatt
Posted 2013-02-04 05:22:33 and read 9020 times.

I think I've been living under a rock recently, but do QF actually fly to DXB with their own metal? Or is it another code share with EK?

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: SYDSpotter
Posted 2013-02-04 05:25:07 and read 9327 times.

Quoting LuftyMatt (Reply 26):
I think I've been living under a rock recently, but do QF actually fly to DXB with their own metal? Or is it another code share with EK?

They will start from 31 March, so you're not quite under that rock yet  

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: LuftyMatt
Posted 2013-02-04 05:29:19 and read 9272 times.

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 27):

Ah I see, thanks   Well I hope it works out for them.

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: CXB77L
Posted 2013-02-04 05:36:41 and read 9195 times.

Quoting SexyAdonis (Thread starter):
Qantas will cease operating direct flights between Perth and Hong Kong from 31 Mar

Well I guess if they couldn't make 3x weekly frequencies work for them, then they're probably better off not operating the route at all.

Although this is a route I fly most frequently, I can't say it bothers me much at all because I would often choose CX over QF because CX has far better schedules on that route. They've increased their frequency on the PER-HKG from daily to 10x weekly back in 2010, which I suppose may have hurt QF and contributed to them pulling out of the route.

[Edited 2013-02-04 05:38:57]

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: SYDSpotter
Posted 2013-02-04 05:46:28 and read 9125 times.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 29):
Although this is a route I fly most frequently, I can't say it bothers me much at all because I would often choose CX over QF because CX has far better schedules on that route. They've increased their frequency on the PER-HKG from daily to 10x weekly back in 2011, which I suppose may have hurt QF and contributed to them pulling out of the route.

Hmm, I thought CX were double or triple daily on this. I'm a little surprised that they're so far behind SQ in terms of frequency (SQ 4x daily) as they usually match SQ on frequency to the other capitals.

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: CXB77L
Posted 2013-02-04 05:59:41 and read 9022 times.

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 30):
Hmm, I thought CX were double or triple daily on this. I'm a little surprised that they're so far behind SQ in terms of frequency (SQ 4x daily) as they usually match SQ on frequency to the other capitals.

They may increase frequency in the future, but as far as I'm aware there's no plans to at this stage. When QF pulls out, CX will have a monopoly on this route.

SQ have almost always had a bigger presence (in terms of available seats) in Australian capital cities than CX. While CX may match frequencies with SQ to some capitals in Australia, CX exclusively uses the A333 on Australian routes while SQ uses a mixture of A333, 772ER, 773, 773ER and A380. This is probably because there is a greater market for travel between Australia to SIN than there is from Australia to HKG.

[Edited 2013-02-04 06:02:08]

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: rutankrd
Posted 2013-02-04 06:10:59 and read 8999 times.

Quoting LuftyMatt (Reply 26):

I think I've been living under a rock recently, but do QF actually fly to DXB with their own metal? Or is it another code share with EK?

Both QF01/2 and QF09/10 will route through Dubai instead of Singapore from the 31st March - South bound and 1st April North bound.

Emirates applied codes are

EK5101/5102 and 5109/5110

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: Hirnie
Posted 2013-02-04 09:29:10 and read 7761 times.

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 32):

Both QF01/2 and QF09/10 will route through Dubai instead of Singapore from the 31st March - South bound and 1st April North bound.

Emirates applied codes are

EK5101/5102 and 5109/5110

Might be a stupid question but what kind of aircraft will they use? The A380?

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: crAAzy
Posted 2013-02-04 12:08:26 and read 6899 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 10):
I disagree. QF offers First to HKG (and will do for a long time to come, given the money they've just spent on a new First Lounge at HKG), which CX doesn't, and will fly more capacity on the route when it goes to a daily A380 compared with 18 months ago.

It still amazes me that with all the flights CX has to Australia they can't put a plane with F class on one of them.

Has QF announced the date when they're going daily A380 on SYD-HKG yet? I'm in the process of booking a AOWE fare for this July and would rather stay in HKG a few extra days and leave on a Monday or Tuesday instead of a Sunday.

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: gemuser
Posted 2013-02-04 12:58:42 and read 6558 times.

Quoting Hirnie (Reply 33):

Might be a stupid question but what kind of aircraft will they use? The A380?

Yes, LHR will be A380 only with QF, if it isn't now.

Gemuser

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: rutankrd
Posted 2013-02-04 13:10:27 and read 6478 times.

Both QF LHR flights have been 388 for months now.

Since the withdrawal of the Hong Kong and day time Sydney route.

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: Zkpilot
Posted 2013-02-04 23:33:00 and read 5331 times.

Yet more route cuts... Since Joyce SFO, EZE, HKG-LHR, BKK-LHR, SIN-LHR, FRA, ADL-SIN, PER-HKG, PER-NRT, AKL-LAX have all gone! Thats a massive cut and whilst some may have been poor performers, the only poor performer I can see is one A. Joyce in gutting the worlds oldest airline.

PS I almost forgot PEK, BOM, MEL-PVG, CTS, YVR.

[Edited 2013-02-04 23:34:42]

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: CXfirst
Posted 2013-02-05 05:05:39 and read 4957 times.

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 30):
Hmm, I thought CX were double or triple daily on this. I'm a little surprised that they're so far behind SQ in terms of frequency (SQ 4x daily) as they usually match SQ on frequency to the other capitals.

Well, from BNE/SYD/MEL/ADL, connecting through HKG to Europe is about the same length as connecting through SIN. From PER, HKG becomes a bit more of a backtrack than SIN, and slightly less desirable for European transfers, so it seems a bit more difficult for CX to grow here. For SQ it is a 5 hour trip, while for CX it is 8 hours.

Transferring in HKG is possible, but I hear less of it here in PER than I did over East.

However, I do expect CX to quickly go 2x daily, covering what QF is simply giving away.

-CXfirst

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: Ben175
Posted 2013-02-05 05:29:55 and read 4925 times.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 38):
and slightly less desirable for European transfers, so it seems a bit more difficult for CX to grow here. For SQ it is a 5 hour trip, while for CX it is 8 hours.

CX has found a great niche in passengers flying Perth-USA though. MH, TG and SQ (from later this year) can't offer a one-stop service to Los Angeles and New York. Even QF can't offer a one-stop PER-NYC flight.

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: SYDSpotter
Posted 2013-02-05 06:05:15 and read 4833 times.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 38):
Well, from BNE/SYD/MEL/ADL, connecting through HKG to Europe is about the same length as connecting through SIN. From PER, HKG becomes a bit more of a backtrack than SIN, and slightly less desirable for European transfers, so it seems a bit more difficult for CX to grow here. For SQ it is a 5 hour trip, while for CX it is 8 hours.

Yes good point, it is a much shorter hop to SIN vs HKG from PER.

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 39):
CX has found a great niche in passengers flying Perth-USA though. MH, TG and SQ (from later this year) can't offer a one-stop service to Los Angeles and New York. Even QF can't offer a one-stop PER-NYC flight.

I can see PER- West Coast of the US working via HKG, but East Coast might be a stretch. You could also do a one stop to JFK with EK, Not sure flight time wise how that compares with CX with HKG.

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: Ben175
Posted 2013-02-05 06:13:19 and read 4827 times.

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 40):
I can see PER- West Coast of the US working via HKG, but East Coast might be a stretch. You could also do a one stop to JFK with EK, Not sure flight time wise how that compares with CX with HKG.

Perth and New York are pretty much dead opposite on the globe, however you'll find journey durations alot shorter routing through Asia.

CX: 7.5 hours + 15 hours = 22.5 hours flying time without layover
EK: 11 hours + 14 hours = 25 hours flying time without layover

QF will often route FF passengers trying to book PER-NYC on CX. It's happened to me twice.

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2013-02-05 14:22:09 and read 4484 times.

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 30):
I thought CX were double or triple daily on this. I'm a little surprised that they're so far behind SQ in terms of frequency (SQ 4x daily) as they usually match SQ on frequency to the other capitals.

They are also 10 weekly to BNE, as opposed to 3/4 daily on SQ.

For me personally the daily BNE-HKG is fantastic news. It is a shame that PER is being cut, however. I would have thought that (despite the mining boom waning recently) the long term prospects for PER-China are excellent (and also PER-Japan as they are our largest export market for LNG). Therefore I think that daily (or at least 5/6 weekly) PER-HKG with connections on Dragonair would be a strategic asset, even if it was loss making on the short term. That said, I'm sure CX also realise that and are therefore not at all interested in codesharing as they now PER-East Asia practically to themselves (CZ notwithstanding).

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 40):
I can see PER- West Coast of the US working via HKG, but East Coast might be a stretch

To the major East Coast markets (JFK, ORD, YYZ) the time premium is relatively small, only a couple of hours, even from SYD/BNE/MEL. I've looked into the Asia option several times given that CX, KE or JL can provide a comparably timed service, without having to go through LAX or fly AA (my two LEAST favorite things to do when travelling!) Having a nice easy connection through HKG and great CX service the entire way, as opposed to traipsing through the zoo that is LAX and being shouted at on AA, I would quite happily spend the extra hour or so sitting down. The reason that I haven't actually done it is that I don't fly to NYC, rather small town VA/NC. Flying via HKG to JFK, and then connecting adds hours to the journey compared to going via DFW.

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: nickofatlanta
Posted 2013-02-05 16:14:19 and read 4369 times.

Aussie media is now reporting that BA is not going to let QF codeshare on any of their Asia-LHR flights in retaliation for the EK alliance.

http://finance.ninemsn.com.au/newsbu...6/british-airways-cuts-qantas-ties

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2013-02-05 17:59:10 and read 4249 times.

Quoting nickofatlanta (Reply 43):
Aussie media is now reporting that BA is not going to let QF codeshare on any of their Asia-LHR flights in retaliation for the EK alliance.

If BA and QF end their codesharing agreement (I'm assuming that the inverse is that BA codes are taken off SIN and HKG to Australia) then that would not overly surprise me.

What I do object to in that article is the insinuation that BA were "furious" about how the EK partnership was handled. That is a revisionist version of history, given that BA went on the record in September as saying that the QF-BA JBA had "run its course" and that the two airlines were parting on mutual grounds.

What BA might be "furious" about, however, is the extensive retiming of flights to SIN and HKG (+BKK). This means that BA passengers will have 6+ hour connections (apart from BA15/16 to SYD). This would obviously make BA a significantly less attractive option for UK-Australia flights.

The question is where that leaves BA. A BA-CX codeshare deal is probably even less likely than QF-CX, and given that BA don't fly to KUL there isn't much value for them in MH. Arguably their best option is to codeshare from DOH to MEL and PER, fly their own metal to SYD, and simply forget BNE (codeshare from SYD?)

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: Ben175
Posted 2013-02-05 19:58:24 and read 4095 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 44):

The question is where that leaves BA. A BA-CX codeshare deal is probably even less likely than QF-CX, and given that BA don't fly to KUL there isn't much value for them in MH. Arguably their best option is to codeshare from DOH to MEL and PER, fly their own metal to SYD, and simply forget BNE (codeshare from SYD?)

I think a codeshare with QR on DOH-MEL/PER and then perhaps codesharing on MH LHR-KUL-BNE/ADL is the way to go, until BA start sending their own metal to KUL.

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: QF175
Posted 2013-02-07 00:41:31 and read 3622 times.

Unsure if this has been announced, however it appears that Melbourne-Singapore and return (QF35/36) will now be operated by A330-300s from April 2013 (Qantas.com schedules now reflect this change). Also, this from the Qantas Agents website:

Qantas Announces Network Improvements as Part of Asia Strategy - FAQs updated 07/02/13

Quote:
22. How will customers booked in the Premium Economy cabin between Melbourne and Singapore (QF35/36) be reaccommodated?

Customers booked in the Premium Economy cabin on services between Melbourne and Singapore will be reaccommodated in Economy. Customers will be offered a refund of the fare difference between Premium Economy and Economy for that sector. Customers will earn at least the same Qantas Frequent Flyer points and Status credits that they would have earned for that original flight (provided the member makes no further changes to the routing of the Qantas flight). Refer to the Commercial Policy for alternative options.

If a customer wishes to travel in Business, subject to availability, they will need to pay the fare difference between the class booked and the class available.
View Asia Network Changes FAQs

[Edited 2013-02-07 01:19:32]

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: GEsubsea
Posted 2013-02-12 17:43:24 and read 3112 times.

Looks to be further changes coming regarding QF likely for the better regarding its transcontinental services....

"Qantas recently announced that starting in April, their Sydney-Perth flights will be flying exclusively Airbus A330 aircrafts on weekdays.

Their Brisbane-Perth weekday flights will move over to refurbished Boeing 767 aircrafts. The refurbishment will include iPads using the wireless Q Streaming entertainment system, and leather recliner seats in Business Class cabins.

Qantas will also start using the A330 aircrafts for weekday Melbourne-Perth flights starting in May 2013.

This means that Qantas will fly wide-bodied aircrafts on all weekday flights between eastern states and Western Australia, a change from their current setup of flying a mix of wide-bodied aircrafts with Boeing 737s, which are single-aisled."

According to Business Travel Management’s Managing Director, Jake Hower, the upgrade will be a boon to flyers.

Consumers who are looking to fly to Europe on a Qantas aircraft will face substantial wait time in Dubai. For these consumers who are looking to fly to Europe, Hower suggests a different strategy.

“The Qantas flights arrive around midnight and the vast majority of flights out of Dubai into Europe don’t depart until after 7 AM. The best solution if you’re looking to save time but fly as quickly as possible to Europe, would be to pick a Qantas code share flight on an Emirates aircraft flying out of Australia,” advised Mr. Hower.

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-02-12 21:26:00 and read 2702 times.

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 47):
“The Qantas flights arrive around midnight and the vast majority of flights out of Dubai into Europe don’t depart until after 7 AM. The best solution if you’re looking to save time but fly as quickly as possible to Europe, would be to pick a Qantas code share flight on an Emirates aircraft flying out of Australia,” advised Mr. Hower.

I have a gutt feeling the QF flights will receive a time adjustment "if" they get their hands on a different time slot in and out of LHR...

EK413

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: Sydscott
Posted 2013-02-12 21:45:39 and read 2639 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 48):
I have a gutt feeling the QF flights will receive a time adjustment "if" they get their hands on a different time slot in and out of LHR...

Or you can just fly Emirates all the way and ignore the QF flights unless you're going to LHR. I thought that was the whole point of this deal anyway..................

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: Sydscott
Posted 2013-02-12 21:51:17 and read 2627 times.

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 47):
the vast majority of flights out of Dubai into Europe don’t depart until after 7 AM.

If you look at current EK departures;

LGW @ 2:50am
MAN @ 3am
LHR @ 3:10am
CDG @ 3:20am
FRA @ 3:20am
MXP @ 3:40am

Unless you're going to these cities it does seem kind of a silly time to arrive into DXB. This is where QF needs the 789 to come online so they can keep their LHR slots but have 2nd services into DXB to better connect with onward flights.

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2013-02-12 21:53:59 and read 2613 times.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 50):
Unless you're going to these cities it does seem kind of a silly time to arrive into DXB.

While I agree in principle, I can't help but feel that LON, MAN, FRA, CDG and MXP probably account for the vast majority of passengers anyway, so it isn't too huge an issue. If you want to go somewhere else then fly EK.

Topic: RE: Qantas Network Changes - 04 FEB 2013
Username: tayser
Posted 2013-02-13 00:47:49 and read 2319 times.

Getting some interesting options when you book a multi-stop trip to Europe (August/Sept) via qantas.com.

using QF9 and EK407 as a base line (MEL-DXB direct then connect onwards), MEL-FCO, GLA-DXB, DXB-MEL

The Melbourne-Rome sector:
- about $400 cheaper to take the 2:40am EK409 departure MEL-KUL-DXB-FCO
- $50 cheaper to leave at a more humane time (7pm ex MEL) and actually go MEL-ADL(!)-DXB-FCO
- $80 more expensive to go QF9 all the way to LHR and then backtrack on a BA 767 to FCO
- same price on when you use EK405 (MEL-SIN-DXB)

Glasgow - Dubai sector:
- $50 more to fly GLA-LHR-DXB (BA GLA-LHR obviously, hooking into QF2 on LHR-DXB)
- $70 more to fly GLA-LCY, LHR-DXB (lol, seriously? it gives you 3 hours to get from one side of London to the other... doable but would be cutting it fine)
- $10,000 (not a typo) more to fly GLA-MAN-DXB (why bother providing that option?)

Dubai - Melbourne sector:
- $0 discount on using the EK408 departure (the stupid o'clock arrival in MEL that gives you the $400 discount if you use that flight outbound)
- only adding $20 for QF2 + SYD-MEL domestic connection.


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