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Topic: Airbus Suppliers Manufacturing Parts For Boeing
Username: migair54
Posted 2013-02-12 09:06:04 and read 9697 times.

According to this Article (only in spanish) an Airbus Military factory in Cadiz will manufacture the "faw Cowl" of the engine for the new B737MAX.

500 million dolar deal and they will be the suppliers until 2025, they also state that this factory is specialist in carbon fiber parts but in this case it will be a metallic part. It´s very good news for the plant in Cadiz because they will have 320 workers until 2025 at least.

I have never heard this before, Airbus manufacturing parts for a boeing commercial plane, I´m not sure if it´s the first time but it really catches my attention big time.

http://www.extracrew.com/es/info/not...us-fabricara-para-boeing-en-cadiz-

Topic: Airbus Suppliers Manufacturing Parts For Boeing
Username: BlueSky1976
Posted 2013-02-12 09:20:36 and read 9493 times.

I believe the rear pressure bulkhead of the 787 is also made by Airbus Military.

Topic: Airbus Suppliers Manufacturing Parts For Boeing
Username: LHCVG
Posted 2013-02-12 09:21:15 and read 9493 times.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my reading was that an Airbus supply chain member is going to supply Boeing parts, not Airbus per se. If true I'm not surprised at all. Many aerospace companies do business with both, or extensive business across the pond in any event.

Topic: Airbus Suppliers Manufacturing Parts For Boeing
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-02-12 09:28:15 and read 9417 times.

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 2):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but my reading was that an Airbus supply chain member is going to supply Boeing parts, not Airbus per se.

CBC (Centro Bahía de Cádiz) is a CFRP fabrication factory for Airbus Military. A Boeing equivalent would be the Fredericksom plant near Everett that manufacturers the vertical fin for the 787.

Topic: Airbus Suppliers Manufacturing Parts For Boeing
Username: scbriml
Posted 2013-02-12 09:45:21 and read 9301 times.

Boeing builds the wing-tip fences for the A380.   

Topic: Airbus Suppliers Manufacturing Parts For Boeing
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-02-12 09:56:32 and read 9204 times.

Spirit Aerosystems, part of Boeing Wichita before it was spun off, also makes parts for Airbus. They of course also build the 737 fuselage.

Topic: Airbus Suppliers Manufacturing Parts For Boeing
Username: airmagnac
Posted 2013-02-12 10:01:32 and read 9149 times.

The 787 aft pressure bulkhead is manufactured by EADS-owned Premium Aerotec in Augsburg as a second-tier supplier (so also not directly sourced by Boeing).

These days, the supply chains for aerospace products are huge and involve multiple layers of suppliers buying from other suppliers themselves buying from other suppliers...while at the same time, the level of knowledge & skill required is very high, so the number of available suppliers is relatively low. In the end, you are bound to have some part of an aerospace group working for a "competitor".

All aerospace companies exist to make money by selling aerospace parts, by definition. As long as the supplier gets his money and the buyer gets good quality parts at a reasonable price, everyone should be happy, regardless of the name on the header of the in-voice. As for intellectual property, obviously the supplier will want to be careful, but on the other hand if (in this case) Boeing is buying the part instead of making it in-house, it's because Boeing is not really interested in acquiring and/or maintaining the competence and tools to do so. So it makes little sense for them to spend ressources to retro-engineer the parts.

Note that this cross-sourcing only happens indirectly and a different "levels of detail", through. These are subsidiaries of a group which owns one OEM that are supplying parts to the other OEM. I doubt that any OEM would directly supply a competitor, because for one thing the supplier would surely use his oversight rights to go have a direct peek at what the other guy is doing more generally. And more importantly, if Boeing found itself with no choice but to buy a product from Airbus (or vice-versa) because Airbus is the only supplier on the market, then Boeing management would have to explain why they left the monopoly to the competition instead of entering that market !

Topic: Airbus Suppliers Manufacturing Parts For Boeing
Username: neutrino
Posted 2013-02-12 10:02:26 and read 9124 times.

"Rivals" do work for each other. It had and is happening across industries. Its the norm.
An area which I am very familiar with is photo. Back in the day when traditional chemistry - as opposed to the currently more prevalent inkjet - technology was at its height, I know for a fact that major media manufacturers such as Kodak, Fuji and Ilford who are fierce rivals in the marketplace, cross-manufacture each other's product when the need arise. A company experiencing a spike in orders which their own factories could not handle would make use of spare capacity of its competitor.
Also, as in the thread subject, rather that building a certain item themselves, a manufacturer would subcontract it to a rival if its more cost effective. Eg.; Canon do make some equipment for its major competitors as well.

Topic: Airbus Suppliers Manufacturing Parts For Boeing
Username: chiad
Posted 2013-02-12 22:35:13 and read 7453 times.

Maybe Airbus manufacture batteries for Boeing?
  

Topic: Airbus Suppliers Manufacturing Parts For Boeing
Username: pascal7z
Posted 2013-02-12 23:38:55 and read 6699 times.

And let us not forget the venerable Super Guppy, basically a transformed Boeing 377, that transported the A300, A310 and maybe some of the A330 and A340 sections from the various factories to Toulouse.

Topic: Airbus Suppliers Manufacturing Parts For Boeing
Username: dynamicsguy
Posted 2013-02-13 00:15:32 and read 6324 times.

Quoting scbriml (Reply 4):
Boeing builds the wing-tip fences for the A380.  

We used to, but not any more. Boeing Aerostructures Australia (formerly Hawker de Havilland) continued as a merchant supplier to Airbus and others for over a decade after becoming part of Boeing.

It wasn't just the A380 wingtips and fences either - there were wing tips and winglets for A330/A340, gear doors for the A320 and A330, and the structure over the A330 main gear bay. I'm sure there were others too.

Going forward we're going to be supplying to Boeing only, so it won't be long before we're no longer doing any third party work.

Topic: RE: Airbus Suppliers Manufacturing Parts For Boeing
Username: scbriml
Posted 2013-02-13 04:16:54 and read 4295 times.

Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 10):
We used to, but not any more.

Oh, I wasn't aware they'd stopped. Do you know who builds them now?

Topic: RE: Airbus Suppliers Manufacturing Parts For Boeing
Username: mingocr83
Posted 2013-02-13 08:33:32 and read 2681 times.

Airbus is doing them for themselves now..as far as I know...

Topic: RE: Airbus Suppliers Manufacturing Parts For Boeing
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-02-13 10:26:19 and read 2232 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
Spirit Aerosystems, part of Boeing Wichita before it was spun off, also makes parts for Airbus. They of course also build the 737 fuselage.

   Spirit builds the center fuselage for the A350 (and also the forward fuselage for the 787).

http://www.spiritaero.com/content.aspx?id=3623

[Edited 2013-02-13 10:36:26]


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