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Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: jlbmedia
Posted 2013-02-13 15:57:03 and read 34897 times.

http://airnation.net/2013/02/13/american-airlines-us-airways-merger/

Official announcement Thursday morning.

[Edited 2013-02-13 16:44:33]

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: aal0616
Posted 2013-02-13 16:07:49 and read 34821 times.

Just received a news bulletin from the Wall Street Journal online that both boards have approved the merger and it will be formally announced Thursday morning.

Wow. Biggest AA news in our lifetimes. This will indeed be an interesting transition.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: aal0616
Posted 2013-02-13 16:09:56 and read 34748 times.

Now the story is appearing on the WSJ website

"US Airways, AMR Boards Approve Merger Deal"

[Edited 2013-02-13 16:15:15]

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: aal0616
Posted 2013-02-13 16:14:46 and read 34608 times.

WSJ reports:

AA creditors to own 72% of combined company and US Airways shareholders the balance;

Doug Parker will be CEO, Tom Horton will be non-executive board chairman at least until 2014;

The new board will have 12 directors; creditors appoint 5, AA 4 and US Airways 3. Board drops to 11 when Horton departs as chairman, source says.

Market capitalization at least $10 billion.

Over my pay grade to otherwise understand.

Onward!

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: AllegiantFlyer
Posted 2013-02-13 16:17:59 and read 34541 times.

I guess i really shouldn't be shocked but,I was really thinking that AA was going to get out of this alone. But im also glad that AA has put their past behind them and started the present

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: MrBuzzcut
Posted 2013-02-13 16:21:43 and read 34397 times.

If this is true, I hope the combined carrier is more AA and less US, and that they can work out labor issues before this goes to completion. I know a TWA scenario won't be likely, but I don't think everybody is going to be as happy as they would have been had the companies stayed separate.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: aal0616
Posted 2013-02-13 16:29:32 and read 34172 times.

The news is also on the WFAA-TV website, the Dallas Morning News website and now Fox News (cable) has just reported the breaking story.

A new era appears to begin.

Happy St. Valentine's Day!

[Edited 2013-02-13 16:30:21]

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: SESGDL
Posted 2013-02-13 16:32:05 and read 34056 times.

This was one merger I sincerely hoped was not going to happen, even moreso than the UA-CO merger. AA doesn't need US to survive and thrive. This merger brings nothing to the table, AA is already strong over the Atlantic and in Latin America, what AA needs is a greater presence in Asia, which US, obviously, does not bring to the table. I am also saddened that we will be down to 3 legacy carriers in the US, and I cringe at the thought that any of "big 3" may try to merge in the coming future (which will no doubt someday occur). The variety that once adorned US airports is now all but gone, and I can only hope that this merger brings about greater stability to the industry if nothing else. This still puts AA in a poor position competitively to UA and DL, both of which have more formidable global networks. AA didn't need US but US obviously felt it needed US, and management and shareholders thinking of nothing but their pocketbooks have evidently bowed to increases pressures. Oh well...

Jeremy

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: brilondon
Posted 2013-02-13 16:33:03 and read 34051 times.

Quoting MrBuzzcut (Reply 5):

If this is true, I hope the combined carrier is more AA and less US, and that they can work out labor issues before this goes to completion. I know a TWA scenario won't be likely, but I don't think everybody is going to be as happy as they would have been had the companies stayed separate.

If no one is happy that usually signals it is a good deal for all involved, that was some ones quote and I have to believe that is what is going to happen. Seriously, congratulation to both carriers, I hope that they are happy together.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: C010T3
Posted 2013-02-13 16:46:52 and read 33676 times.

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 7):
AA didn't need US but US obviously felt it needed US, and management and shareholders thinking of nothing but their pocketbooks have evidently bowed to increases pressures.

Let's not forget that the employees were also thinking about their pocketbooks.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: cha747
Posted 2013-02-13 16:57:37 and read 33465 times.

Rip Dividend Miles and buying up to preferred.....

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: STT757
Posted 2013-02-13 17:00:08 and read 33367 times.

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 7):
I am also saddened that we will be down to 3 legacy carriers in the US, and I cringe at the thought that any of "big 3" may try to merge in the coming future (which will no doubt someday occur). The variety that once adorned US airports is now all but gone, and I can only hope that this merger brings about greater stability to the industry if nothing else



While I agree that less legacies is bad, especially for the second tier hubs like CVG, MEM, STL, PIT etc., I am optimistic about new opportunities in the future. For instance B6 is thriving, and this merger means AA is not going to merge with B6, at least anytime soon. So we have B6 thriving, WN going to new places all the time, AS growing, Allegiant doing well, Spirit keeps growing, F9 at TTN (which is awesome as a Central Jersey guy) and maybe one day VX will start turning profits.

This AA/US merger will have divestitures somewhere, probably DCA, hopefully that opens up more opportunities for B6, WN, NK, VX etc..

The future US Domestic industry:

Legacy:

AA, DL, UA

LCC:

AS, B6, F9, NK, WN, G4, VX

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: rising
Posted 2013-02-13 17:02:47 and read 33304 times.

As long as its executed well, this is good news for the industry as a whole.

Just think, not long ago we had a litany of fragmented, poorly-managed airlines chasing market-share. Now, we look and see carriers who are large enough to have pricing power, can manage capacity smartly, are focused on making a profit, and can, at last, do what many thought was impossible: end the boom and bust cycles that have destroyed careers, wiped out investors, and lead to instability for airports and markets around the world.

Look for reports that this will be bad for consumers because it will raise prices. Perhaps, but now these carriers can finally charge an amount that will cover their cost of capital. Airlines are not non-profits or charities, and thankfully they are, for the most part, no longer being run as such. That is good news for airline employees.

Looking forward to seeing what the great people at AMR and US Airways Group do to form the world's largest airline.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: AA94
Posted 2013-02-13 17:05:34 and read 33262 times.

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 7):
This was one merger I sincerely hoped was not going to happen, even moreso than the UA-CO merger. AA doesn't need US to survive and thrive. This merger brings nothing to the table, AA is already strong over the Atlantic and in Latin America, what AA needs is a greater presence in Asia, which US, obviously, does not bring to the table.

  

I fully agree, and I still haven't come to terms with the fact that a merger is actually happening. Hopefully Doug Parker will choose to continue on the path that AA is currently moving along, and not revert back to the past. However, I find myself skeptical that will actually happen ...

Best of luck to a combined AA/US!

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: dlramp4life
Posted 2013-02-13 17:10:32 and read 33145 times.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 11):
This AA/US merger will have divestitures somewhere, probably DCA, hopefully that opens up more opportunities for B6, WN, NK, VX etc..

Along with PHX as well

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: PSAJet17
Posted 2013-02-13 17:20:40 and read 32928 times.

Every one of these news reports were all based on information "leaked" by sources who had to remain anonymous since the negotiations were supposed to be private.

Does the Department of Justice have to approve the merger?

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: rktsci
Posted 2013-02-13 17:26:38 and read 32790 times.

Quoting MrBuzzcut (Reply 5):
I hope the combined carrier is more AA and less US

I hope that this will NOT happened. Everyone loves to trash US, but the reality is that they are a good airline. I have flown all of them, and in the past few years US Airways has never lost or delayed a bag of mine, their ontime performance for MY flights have been excellent, I've never had a cancelled flight, and they have done right by me. Some of their planes are long in the tooth, but what about those Mad Dogs?!?

Quoting cha747 (Reply 10):
Rip Dividend Miles and buying up to preferred.....

Agreed. It's been a great program. I'm hoping the combination of lifetime miles from both airlines puts me over the million mile threshold, but as I understand it that doesn't mean anything anymore.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: SPREE34
Posted 2013-02-13 17:28:17 and read 32730 times.

Quoting cha747 (Reply 10):
Rip Dividend Miles and buying up to preferred.....

Every airline frequent flyer program out there is going down the tubes.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: airbazar
Posted 2013-02-13 17:37:47 and read 32568 times.

Quoting rktsci (Reply 16):
I hope that this will NOT happened. Everyone loves to trash US, but the reality is that they are a good airline. I

  

As a *A FF in Boston, this means I have to go shopping for another FF program to join since without US, I can't travel up and down the coast without changing planes at either EWR or IAD.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: Raddek
Posted 2013-02-13 18:24:44 and read 32172 times.

And another Mega-Carrier in the USA is born.  

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: chepos
Posted 2013-02-13 18:28:02 and read 32136 times.

I thought some of our more "knowledgeable" a.netters said this would never happen and this was all silly talk. Never say never in the airlines industry, it will make you look bad.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: mke717spotter
Posted 2013-02-13 18:33:21 and read 31962 times.

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 7):
This was one merger I sincerely hoped was not going to happen, even moreso than the UA-CO merger. AA doesn't need US to survive and thrive. This merger brings nothing to the table, AA is already strong over the Atlantic and in Latin America, what AA needs is a greater presence in Asia, which US, obviously, does not bring to the table. I am also saddened that we will be down to 3 legacy carriers in the US, and I cringe at the thought that any of "big 3" may try to merge in the coming future (which will no doubt someday occur). The variety that once adorned US airports is now all but gone, and I can only hope that this merger brings about greater stability to the industry if nothing else.


I can't agree with you more, especially in terms of the lack of variety that we're now going to see. At MKE there's only going to be 5 airlines now, and since F9 is going to be down to two flights a day it wouldn't be a surprise to see them pull out either. Since I go to school in Arizona I've grown accustomed to flying through PHX on US and its gonna be sad seeing the brand go away. Personally I'm crossing my fingers hoping that this deal somehow falls apart...   

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: Acheron
Posted 2013-02-13 18:34:29 and read 31918 times.

So, AA A350XWB?.

Who saw that coming?.  

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: RWA380
Posted 2013-02-13 18:38:58 and read 31782 times.

I wish the best to all the combined employees of the new AA, I then hope the best of each carrier is integrated to create an airline that will raise the bar a bit for legacies.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: frntman
Posted 2013-02-13 18:47:09 and read 31597 times.

Quoting PSAJet17 (Reply 15):
Does the Department of Justice have to approve the merger?

I'd be willing to guess that the government relations departments at each airline have already vetted this with select members of the DOJ committee.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2013-02-13 18:56:25 and read 32847 times.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 9):

Let's not forget that the employees were also thinking about their pocketbooks.

Why shouldn't they be? thats all Horton and Co give a flying crap about.

Man, I hope people like you lose everything like airline employees have over the years.


good luck to the AMR and LCC employees. Hope you guys can get everything worked out.

to the AMR employees, congrats on getting a mostly new management team. Hope that this one wont be nearly as worthless as Horton.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: incitatus
Posted 2013-02-13 18:57:21 and read 32636 times.

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 7):
AA doesn't need US to survive and thrive. This merger brings nothing to the table, AA is already strong over the Atlantic and in Latin America, what AA needs is a greater presence in Asia, which US, obviously, does not bring to the table.

I wrote that several times in a.net. But that is probably not the driving force. Let's wait for what gets written in the announcement. Likely the market cap of the combined company is estimated significantly higher than the sum of the standalone companies. So the merger creates value for the owners.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: texan
Posted 2013-02-13 19:00:25 and read 33510 times.

Quoting PSAJet17 (Reply 15):
Does the Department of Justice have to approve the merger?

For better or worse, it shouldn't have difficulty passing the antitrust tests, partially because of past industry consolidation. The DOJ will raise concerns, but DOT makes the decision. The DOT's use of HHI has been generous to the carriers, and I expect that will continue.

I calculate that the current HHI is in the range of .1110 (or 11.10%) to .1121. The HHI after the merger would be in the range of .1319 to .1330. The DOJ considers HHI indeces of between .15 and .25 as moderately concentrated industries and indeces of over .25 as heavily concentrated industries. The merger would not, therefore, raise the additional scrutiny a merger in a moderately to heavily concentrated industry would.

But increases of more than .01 add increased scrutiny because of the amount of decrease in competition in the market. This merger increases the HHI of the airline industry by approximately .0209, over twice the baseline for increased scrutiny.

I stand by my previous statement, though, that the merger will pass through all regulatory hurdles, albeit with some concessions at key airports (DCA, LGA).

Texan

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: spud757
Posted 2013-02-13 19:17:38 and read 32967 times.

So will US be leaving *A for 1W? Can't see AA leaving 1W.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: JBAirwaysFan
Posted 2013-02-13 19:21:26 and read 32727 times.

Isn't US still trying to solve problems from the HP merger?

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: Drmlnr1
Posted 2013-02-13 19:30:38 and read 32394 times.

When will we see US join OW??? Will the announcement be webcasted?

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: rktsci
Posted 2013-02-13 19:44:23 and read 31880 times.

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 29):
Isn't US still trying to solve problems from the HP merger?

US Airways has demonstrated solid profitability in a challenging environments AND provided a return to shareholders in recent years of over 300%. That's fantastic and at the end of the day, really the key thing that counts. Everything else, while important, is peripheral.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: flyawa
Posted 2013-02-13 19:48:06 and read 31843 times.

Booyah! In the 30th anniversary year of America West Airlines, the most successful carrier born out of deregulation, that merged with, and took on the US Airways name, does it again with American. Faster, Higher, Stronger.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-02-13 19:48:44 and read 31882 times.

Well PHX is bracing for the worst but most of the people who I know working for the airport are expecting nothing too serious to happen. Reportedly, good ol' Doug gave PHX their assurance that the airport will remain as a hub...we will see.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 11):
The future US Domestic industry:

Legacy:

AA, DL, UA

LCC:

AS, B6, F9, NK, WN, G4, VX

Don't forget HA on this list but they're more niche than legacy. Certainly not LCC.

I don't like these at all. We need another "legacy" or two in the US. Having a triopoly over legacies in the industry will only drive prices up. ABC15 here in the valley is reporting prices are going up by 5% on tickets on US/AA here in PHX.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: dlramp4life
Posted 2013-02-13 19:50:58 and read 31637 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 33):
ABC15 here in the valley is reporting prices are going up by 5% on tickets on US/AA here in PHX.

I saw that news report as well, I would assume an uptick in service from UA and DL into PHX now...

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: AA94
Posted 2013-02-13 19:53:42 and read 31773 times.

Quoting spud757 (Reply 28):
So will US be leaving *A for 1W? Can't see AA leaving 1W.

Yes, US will leave Star.

Quoting spud757 (Reply 28):
Isn't US still trying to solve problems from the HP merger?

Yep.

Quoting rktsci (Reply 31):
US Airways has demonstrated solid profitability in a challenging environments AND provided a return to shareholders in recent years of over 300%. That's fantastic and at the end of the day, really the key thing that counts. Everything else, while important, is peripheral.

... and all that is well and good, but the fact remains that the HP/US integration isn't fully completed yet, as there are not combined seniority lists for the pilots (and perhaps the F/As too?...I don't recall if they had voted or not). My concern is that throwing these three labor groups together (especially considering how volatile AA pilots are, even though they want this merger) could produce some problems.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-02-13 19:55:45 and read 31550 times.

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 34):
I saw that news report as well, I would assume an uptick in service from UA and DL into PHX now...

Hopefully returning the CVG flight back to year-round            

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: aaexecplat
Posted 2013-02-13 20:00:26 and read 31294 times.

Quoting rktsci (Reply 31):

To be fair...the recent returns are nearly entirely due to the speculation tat the merger would go through. If this merger had failed or if it still does, you don't want to be an LLC shareholder...

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: Avi8r747
Posted 2013-02-13 20:02:39 and read 31288 times.

Can anyone explain to me briefly how this will create the worlds largest airlines? Arn't United and Delta still larger??

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: coairman
Posted 2013-02-13 20:13:44 and read 30999 times.

Congratulations to both AA and US. This appears to be the final stage of the US Airline consolidation. Finally the industry as a whole can be more profitable and stabile with less industry fragmentation and capacity discipline. Airfares in general have remained a great value and have not increased in line with inflation as indicated by recent consumer studies.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: SPREE34
Posted 2013-02-13 20:22:43 and read 30685 times.

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 29):
Isn't US still trying to solve problems from the HP merger?

If you are referring to the separate cockpit crews, that ALL falls on USAPA.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: piedmont727
Posted 2013-02-13 20:39:31 and read 30252 times.

im happy about the merger and saddened by it sadly us airways name will go forever and my favorites PSA heritage and PIEDMONT heritage and also sadly even less variety at DFW

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2013-02-13 20:44:50 and read 30140 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 33):
ABC15 here in the valley is reporting prices are going up by 5% on tickets on US/AA here in PHX.

Now that's funny! The airlines can barely make a $5 price hike stick, but at some undetermined time (tomorrow?), US/AA fares will rise 5% to/from PHX. Really.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-02-13 21:02:21 and read 29723 times.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 42):
Now that's funny! The airlines can barely make a $5 price hike stick, but at some undetermined time (tomorrow?), US/AA fares will rise 5% to/from PHX. Really.

Well a quick fare-search for a flight PHX-IND on March 29 shows $420, which with 5% added on would be a 21$ increase....still not much.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: Jamake1
Posted 2013-02-13 21:05:52 and read 29629 times.

Whatdaya know...PSA and Air Cal back together again after all these years.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: yyz717
Posted 2013-02-13 21:26:21 and read 29341 times.

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 7):
AA doesn't need US to survive and thrive. This merger brings nothing to the table,
Quoting SESGDL (Reply 7):
This still puts AA in a poor position competitively to UA and DL, both of which have more formidable global networks.

A combined AA/US will immediately become the world's largest carrier and with it, the ability to drive down consolidated unit costs (once the merger is operationally achieved) to below DL and UA. This will be difficult for AA on its own. True, US does not bring much to the intl network of AA but AA has no choice but to bulk up to compete against DL and UA.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: FL787
Posted 2013-02-13 21:29:44 and read 29373 times.

Comparison of the new "Big 4"

For 2012:

RPMs
UA: 205,484,567
AA/US: 136,560,266+64,880,446= 201,440,712
DL: 192,955,777
WN: 102,874,979

ASMs
UA: 248,860,009
AA/US: 166,129,600+77,510,211= 243,639,811
DL: 230,399,620
WN: 128,137,684

PAX Carried
AA/US: 107,806,578+62,524,816= 170,331,394
DL: 164,571,529
UA: 140,441,000
WN: 133,978,100

Revenue (Billions)
AA/US: 24.855+13.831= 38.686
UA: 37.152
DL: 36.670
WN: 17.088

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: mah584jr
Posted 2013-02-13 21:32:29 and read 29093 times.

Cautiously optimistic here!

Best of luck to all the employees!

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: silentbob
Posted 2013-02-13 21:44:26 and read 28944 times.

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 45):
True, US does not bring much to the intl network of AA but AA has no choice but to bulk up to compete against DL and UA.

US has a solid, if unspectacular, network to Europe, especially in the summer. I think you will see growth internationally from the new carrier.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2013-02-13 21:48:13 and read 28803 times.

I agree 100% that the US needs a more variety in legacy carriers. It gives way too much pricing power to the airlines to where it will hurt the consumer more, especially in cities with mega-hubs (which thats basically the only type of hub left in the US). Plus, it also looks boring from a hobbyists/spotters perspective. As a child of CO/UA employees, I can say that the ride isn't fun with all its uncertainty. Nonetheless, I wish the US and AA employees well.

Also, who would've thought just 30 years ago that it would be UA, AA, and DL as the last legacies; as I'm sure they were thinking PA and TW would at least be on there.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: PacificF27
Posted 2013-02-13 21:49:12 and read 28791 times.

Does anyone know roughly what percentage of the U.S. market the new "big 4" will have?

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: BigGSFO
Posted 2013-02-13 22:26:21 and read 28243 times.

Quoting Jamake1 (Reply 44):
Whatdaya know...PSA and Air Cal back together again after all these years.

Hilarious! I thought of that too.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: alitalia744
Posted 2013-02-13 22:26:46 and read 27906 times.

Quoting FL787 (Reply 46):
Comparison of the new "Big 4"

For 2012:

RPMs
UA: 205,484,567
AA/US: 136,560,266+64,880,446= 201,440,712
DL: 192,955,777
WN: 102,874,979

ASMs
UA: 248,860,009
AA/US: 166,129,600+77,510,211= 243,639,811
DL: 230,399,620
WN: 128,137,684

PAX Carried
AA/US: 107,806,578+62,524,816= 170,331,394
DL: 164,571,529
UA: 140,441,000
WN: 133,978,100

Revenue (Billions)
AA/US: 24.855+13.831= 38.686
UA: 37.152
DL: 36.670
WN: 17.088

How's it looking on profit #s?

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: Flighty
Posted 2013-02-13 22:32:34 and read 27795 times.

Quoting AA94 (Reply 35):
but the fact remains that the HP/US integration isn't fully completed yet, as there are not combined seniority lists for the pilots (and perhaps the F/As too?...I don't recall if they had voted or not). My concern is that throwing these three labor groups together (especially considering how volatile AA pilots are, even though they want this merger) could produce some problems.

While certain union master executive councils may not be fully satisfied, Wall St was completely satisfied. Therefore the matter is concluded. US is a closing book... it's over.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: randyh3253
Posted 2013-02-13 22:48:06 and read 27698 times.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 51):
Does anyone know roughly what percentage of the U.S. market the new "big 4" will have?


American, United, Delta, and Southwest will control 83% of the U.S. market.
http://money.cnn.com/2013/02/13/news...rger/index.html?source=yahoo_quote

[Edited 2013-02-13 22:54:12]

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-02-13 22:52:24 and read 27722 times.

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 45):
True, US does not bring much to the intl network of AA

US serves 7 cities in Europe that AA doesn't serve: US also serves TLV which AA has never served.

Europe - AMS/ATH/BRU/GLA/LIS/MUC/VCE. Some are seasonal. AA recently dropped BRU.
.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: gigneil
Posted 2013-02-13 23:01:25 and read 27536 times.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 53):
While certain union master executive councils may not be fully satisfied, Wall St was completely satisfied. Therefore the matter is concluded. US is a closing book... it's over.

Fortunately, the AA pilots + HP pilots will drastically outnumber the US pilots. That clusterf is over.

NS

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: caliatenza
Posted 2013-02-13 23:03:31 and read 27377 times.

will fares go up substantially?

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: gigneil
Posted 2013-02-13 23:05:34 and read 27436 times.

They won't go up a dime. They have to contend with Delta, United, and Southwest - and increasingly others - in every major market.

NS

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2013-02-13 23:11:17 and read 27428 times.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 23):
I then hope the best of each carrier is integrated to create an airline that will raise the bar a bit for legacies.

Two of the funniest things I've seen posted regarding the merger so far:

"If I find my upgrade leads me to Boone's Farm in a plastic cup a la US-style, I'm off like a prom dress."

"If all of us think this is bad, consider what is going through the minds of the BA and CX leadership now they will need to deal with a group of airline management hillbillies....this is like a Rockefeller waking up one morning and finding a distant witless, toothless and moneyless cousin showing up at their door ready to move in because they won the lotto and 'came into some money' and want to be a 'real Rockefeller'."

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-02-13 23:14:19 and read 27276 times.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 58):
They won't go up a dime. They have to contend with Delta, United, and Southwest - and increasingly others - in every major market.

They could well go up in a few markets where AA will now have a monopoly on nonstop service, such as DFW-CLT and DFW-PHL.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: gigneil
Posted 2013-02-13 23:15:27 and read 27315 times.

Right.

US achieved record profits less than a year after merging with HP, and they consistently are #1 or #2 in margin every single quarter.

Doug Parker knows how to run a business and make money. None of this other shit matters.

NS

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2013-02-13 23:29:55 and read 27114 times.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 61):

US achieved record profits less than a year after merging with HP, and they consistently are #1 or #2 in margin every single quarter.

Doug Parker knows how to run a business and make money. None of this other shit matters.

Pretty much. Welcome to the US, because this is what matters. Profit and margins are going to the important thing looked at by the people that matter. (and FWIW US has had one hand tied behind its back with the labor issues.)

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: silentbob
Posted 2013-02-13 23:31:27 and read 27028 times.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 61):
Doug Parker knows how to run a business and make money. None of this other shit matters.

That right there is the bottom line.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: AY-MD11
Posted 2013-02-13 23:34:50 and read 27238 times.

The A350XWB will look good in Americans colors!   

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: C010T3
Posted 2013-02-14 01:05:47 and read 25939 times.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 25):
Why shouldn't they be? thats all Horton and Co give a flying crap about.

Man, I hope people like you lose everything like airline employees have over the years.


good luck to the AMR and LCC employees. Hope you guys can get everything worked out.

to the AMR employees, congrats on getting a mostly new management team. Hope that this one wont be nearly as worthless as Horton.

Haha! I was defending the pocketbook's point of view. I'm all for the employees thinking about their pocketbooks. I just don't agree with accusing shareholders, creditors and management like what they're doing is wrong.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2013-02-14 01:20:05 and read 25861 times.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 65):
management like what they're doing is wrong.

But they don't blame anyone but management. Why shouldn't they? Will Horton get a pension? how about what did he take cut wise?

Had Horton taken cuts, real cuts, like employees then maybe they wouldn't hate him as much. As i have said before, Delta employees took it just as bad as AA's yet Gerry is loved by a ton of people. Unlike AA, DL's employees were complete against a US merger. Why? they believed in the management team. AA's employees just got the crap beat out of them while Horton watched yelling "hey it'll be ok, its hurts me just as bad. let me count my money...stop screaming so much....but i love you". Gerry was right there taking the beating with the Delta employees. Did it really hurt his pockets? no. I mean jeesh he still made 250K+ at Delta (plus all of his other time at other companies/Delta's BOD). He was just smart enough to understand human nature. Horton is to greedy for that.
I have no problem what so ever with AA's employees selling out. They know how bad the labor situation is at US, but they hate Horton and Co. so much that they would rather deal with 3 pilots list (etc) than have him as a CEO. Most of that falls on Horton.   

The only airline I can think of that has/had a worst management/employee relationship is Eastern. Thats pretty scary.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: RWA380
Posted 2013-02-14 01:20:16 and read 25816 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 55):
US serves 7 cities in Europe that AA doesn't serve: US also serves TLV which AA has never served

What you wrote raises a good question. Will AA be able to continue operating the US flights into TLV without paying the money that has kept AA from serving TLV since they acquired that debt from taking over big parts of TW?

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: vegas005
Posted 2013-02-14 01:27:01 and read 25794 times.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 61):
Doug Parker knows how to run a business and make money. None of this other shit matters.

If you are talking plastic cups and cheap wine in first, dirty planes, lousy hubs (Philadelphia), surly employees and his penchant for drinking and driving then you have a winner.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2013-02-14 01:39:17 and read 25535 times.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 67):
Will AA be able to continue operating the US flights into TLV without paying the money that has kept AA from serving TLV since they acquired that debt from taking over big parts of TW?

Highly doubtful, in my opinion. In another thread, I asked aloud how long folks thought it would take to re-earn as profits the $20-30 million that's owed by now, after interest, but in the only answers I received I was simply quoted the amount due.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: mariner
Posted 2013-02-14 01:43:30 and read 25544 times.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 66):
Gerry was right there taking the beating with the Delta employees.

I don't want to burst your bubble or sound cynical or anything and - assuming by "Gerry" you mean Mr. Grinstein - I don't wish to take anything away from what he did or how he did it, but he also had a visceral motive.

Saving Delta, restoring it to what it had been after the Mullins debacle, was to be his memorial to himself and to his career before he retired, the culmination of his life's work. Certainly he could be magnanimous, he was quite a wealthy man.

I think it was deeply offensive to him, on a very personal level, that an audacious young upstart like Mr. Parker tried to interrupt and destroy that process and he called in every chip he was owed to stop it happening.

It was Mr. Parker's fatal flaw - a young lion taking on the old lion before the old lion was ready to go - and he was taught a critical lesson by it.

Because none of that happened here. This time, Mr. Parker got almost everyone - from unions and to creditors - onside very early in the game. Mr. Horton was outmanoeuvred almost from Day 1, just as Mr. Parker had been, previously, by Mr. Grinstein.

mariner

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: RWA380
Posted 2013-02-14 01:43:54 and read 25497 times.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 69):
Highly doubtful, in my opinion. In another thread, I asked aloud how long folks thought it would take to re-earn as profits the $20-30 million that's owed by now, after interest, but in the only answers I received I was simply quoted the amount due

Yes, I agree with you, maybe because they are keeping the American name. However would it be up to whos operating certificate survives? I hope they can find away to keep the destination, but again I think you are correct.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: EA CO AS
Posted 2013-02-14 01:56:06 and read 25487 times.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 67):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 55):US serves 7 cities in Europe that AA doesn't serve: US also serves TLV which AA has never servedWhat you wrote raises a good question. Will AA be able to continue operating the US flights into TLV without paying the money that has kept AA from serving TLV since they acquired that debt from taking over big parts of TW?

Actually, AA could fly to TLV right now if they wanted to; they didn't purchase TW outright, but merely bought most of the assets and the majority of the employees were offered jobs at AA. Since AA didn't "buy" the TLV operation they weren't obligated to pay a dime to the former TW employees there and AA has no legal obligation to pay TW's old debt in Israel.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: Darksnowynight
Posted 2013-02-14 02:31:39 and read 24972 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 33):
I don't like these at all. We need another "legacy" or two in the US. Having a triopoly over legacies in the industry will only drive prices up. ABC15 here in the valley is reporting prices are going up by 5% on tickets on US/AA here in PHX.

No, we have too much legacy presence as it already is and will be. And I'm not seeing how prices can stay sustainably high. On all domestic & a good deal of int'l flights, there is pretty stiff competition from carriers who will be more than happy to eat AA or DL's lunch.

I'm sure there will be price bumps here and there, like DFW - PHX, where they form an effective monopoly, but that certainly will not be enough to compete with WN across most of the system, and B6, AS, VX, F9, & NK on transcons & NE corridor runs.

I know you think we need more legacies, but the fact is they're getting harder and harder to justify. Domestically, we have airlines like B6 & WN that usually do a better job, & for overseas longhaul, legacies would probably be off those routes if not for alliances by now.

I'm not saying they're due for extinction (yet), but as someone who flies an awful lot domestically, internationally, for work & VFR, there really isn't much legacies offer to put their usefulness above the "take it if it's cheap" category.

Quoting vegas005 (Reply 68):
If you are talking plastic cups and cheap wine in first, dirty planes, lousy hubs (Philadelphia), surly employees and his penchant for drinking and driving then you have a winner.

US' 1st, like any domestic carrier, will have "opportunity for improvement" for the foreseeable future. But AA is not better anyway. While they are improving, they're putting the bulk of that effort on int'l routes that supply competition with equal or better 1st, and often for the same price. This is really not a great position to be in.

Dirty planes? Again, not at all if you're comparing to AA. In fact, US has a very aggressive exterior (full wash every 160 days) & interior (Std. overnight service, and full leather/upholstery reconditioning every 45 days) grooming program in place. AA? Not even close. They do have the Std. overnight programs, but for exterior washing, they perfom this only after C checks & HMVs. This may change with the new livery, but we'll have to see.

Interestingly enough, airlines like BA, UA, DL, KL, SQ (gasp, yes SQ!), & (of course, but seriously, no kidding) AF, all have exterior cleaning programs that are also inferior to what US does. There are certainly airlines that better than US, don't get me wrong, but until this merger is done, AA will not be on that list.

PHL? Well, I'll agree that it's certainly not my favorite place in the world, that's for sure. But it does its job very well, has good domestic to EU connectivity, and above all else, makes buckets of $$$ for US.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 69):
Highly doubtful, in my opinion. In another thread, I asked aloud how long folks thought it would take to re-earn as profits the $20-30 million that's owed by now, after interest, but in the only answers I received I was simply quoted the amount due.

Yeah, I'm curious about this as well. I read in another thread a lot of cheering that AA will be in TLV finally, but I'm not certain that will ever actually happen. I think there's a good deal of money to be made there, but yes, it would probably take three to five years, under the most optimistic circumstances to have TLV pay for itself. That said, AA is 100% at fault for that mess and does carry an ethical obligation to pay that money back, but of course what will happen remains to be seen.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: gemuser
Posted 2013-02-14 03:07:37 and read 24593 times.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 72):
and AA has no legal obligation to pay TW's old debt in Israel.

Rightly or wrongly the Israeli courts disagree with you. I understand , from previous threads, that there is a court judgement outstanding against AA, not TW.

Gemuser

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: vegas005
Posted 2013-02-14 03:14:03 and read 24446 times.

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 73):

Thanks interesting info. As I live overseas I have limited exposure to US so maybe things have improved. My last flight was a year ago SFO-LAS and the plane was in miserable shape and first class was like coach on AA.

Time will tell...but I'll give them a chance based on your info.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: EA CO AS
Posted 2013-02-14 03:21:11 and read 24412 times.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 74):
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 72): and AA has no legal obligation to pay TW's old debt in Israel.
Rightly or wrongly the Israeli courts disagree with you. I understand , from previous threads, that there is a court judgement outstanding against AA, not TW.

Care to cite a source? Everything I've ever seen on the matter is that the Israeli workers were unsecured creditors in TW's bankruptcy, owed about $18 million USD from the bankrupt company's estate, which AA did not buy nor assume the liabilities of.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: jfk787nyc
Posted 2013-02-14 03:31:09 and read 24329 times.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 72):
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 67):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 55):US serves 7 cities in Europe that AA doesn't serve: US also serves TLV which AA has never servedWhat you wrote raises a good question. Will AA be able to continue operating the US flights into TLV without paying the money that has kept AA from serving TLV since they acquired that debt from taking over big parts of TW?

Actually, AA could fly to TLV right now if they wanted to; they didn't purchase TW outright, but merely bought most of the assets and the majority of the employees were offered jobs at AA. Since AA didn't "buy" the TLV operation they weren't obligated to pay a dime to the former TW employees there and AA has no legal obligation to pay TW's old debt in Israel.

Who cares what United States Merger Laws entail - It is the Israeli government hold American Airlines responsible for TWA salaries. Now, Given that I am sure Doug Parker will see the potential of this route and he will write a check to the Israeli government right away.

I am really hoping that the flight will be moved from Philadelphia to JFK and another flight from Miami-TLV will be put into play.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: commavia
Posted 2013-02-14 03:34:48 and read 24307 times.

Now official: http://aa.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=3628

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: 777ER
Posted 2013-02-14 03:35:16 and read 24249 times.

Heres the official word

http://aa.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=3628

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: 727LOVER
Posted 2013-02-14 03:59:55 and read 23818 times.

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 7):

Isnt AS a legacy?


I know the AA name stays, but who exactly is the aquiring carrier?

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: thrufru
Posted 2013-02-14 04:12:12 and read 23547 times.

Maybe it's because I generally travel in uniform, and due to the amount of travelling I do positive space I've also managed to obtain elite status on both of these airlines, but I've had universally wonderful experiences.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: EaglePower83
Posted 2013-02-14 04:26:22 and read 23298 times.

www.aa.com/arriving

I gotta say, they did a bang up job marketing their Valentine's Day marriage.
Did you see the videos?
They're very inspiring.

WAYYYYYYYYYY more evocative than when UA/CO were coming together.

Good luck to them! It seems to be off to a "smooth" start.
I hope these AA marketing folks stay in charge because this "New American" stuff has been really well done and polished.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: randyh3253
Posted 2013-02-14 04:29:06 and read 23239 times.

http://www.usairways.com/en-US/about...ssroom/newamerican.html?c=fb_21132

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: AAplat4life
Posted 2013-02-14 04:31:01 and read 23103 times.

This is wonderful news overall. The merger gives AA a clearer and better path to emerge from bankruptcy. The stand-alone, "five corner-stone" strategy of AMR was not the best alternative for AMR stakeholders. It might have prevailed if Parker was not so good with his strategy, but it would not have been a path to a financially successful AA. A number of highly sophisticated investors have concluded that the Parker approach was the best one available. So now it is time to forget about wishful thinking vis-a-vis AA as a stand-alone carrier, and move forward to a new AA as a premier powerhouse.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: randyh3253
Posted 2013-02-14 04:39:16 and read 22984 times.

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 73):
Actually, AA could fly to TLV right now if they wanted to; they didn't purchase TW outright, but merely bought most of the assets and the majority of the employees were offered jobs at AA. Since AA didn't "buy" the TLV operation they weren't obligated to pay a dime to the former TW employees there and AA has no legal obligation to pay TW's old debt in Israel.

Per the merger website the new AA will indeed keep US's 1 daily flight to TLV http://newamericanarriving.com/customers/international-benefits/

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: Bralo20
Posted 2013-02-14 04:47:27 and read 22591 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 55):
US serves 7 cities in Europe that AA doesn't serve: US also serves TLV which AA has never served.

Europe - AMS/ATH/BRU/GLA/LIS/MUC/VCE. Some are seasonal. AA recently dropped BRU.

Strangely enough BRU is back as a destination from JFK on the merger site?

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: AussieItaliano
Posted 2013-02-14 04:49:58 and read 22528 times.

Quoting vegas005 (Reply 68):
Quoting gigneil (Reply 61):
Doug Parker knows how to run a business and make money. None of this other shit matters.

If you are talking plastic cups and cheap wine in first, dirty planes, lousy hubs (Philadelphia), surly employees and his penchant for drinking and driving then you have a winner.

Well, let's be fair here. I wouldn't exactly call the First class wines of AA, UA or DL top notch either. As for dirty planes, I've been on some pretty dodgy planes on those other 3 as well. In terms of lousy hubs, likewise, I dread ORD (AA and UA) and DL at JFK more than I dread PHL. I won't even go near the surly employees comment, I think we all know it's not a problem unique to US.

As for the plastic cups, yeah, it's tacky, but I think the point that gigneil was making is entirely true. He knows how to make an airline profitable. US was in terrible shape before the merger that made him CEO, so he deserves some credit.

In terms of his drinking and driving episode, I don't know if I'd call it a penchant, and I'd surely hope that he's learned his lesson from it.

Find me someone who's perfect, but until then, I think Doug Parker has done pretty well for his shareholders, including his success in bringing about this latest transaction, which many deemed to be impossible.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: scbriml
Posted 2013-02-14 04:54:46 and read 22336 times.

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 7):
AA doesn't need US to survive and thrive.

Clearly, AA's board sees it differently.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: jAAy757
Posted 2013-02-14 05:02:18 and read 22074 times.

I am indifferent about all of this, AA did need some of US east coast network, thats about it, but I am not opposed to an expanded all around network. What I am not too happy about it Doug Parker running the airline, nothing against him but Tom Horton has done a terrific job during bankruptcy, and could have led this airline to further success. Most of you will mention the labor issue, but Parker has labor issues of his own. This is just my opinion, it is a good merger for the two airlines but I am more so against who was chosen to be CEO of the merged airline.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: txkf2010
Posted 2013-02-14 05:08:42 and read 21990 times.

Just throwing this out there but was in MIA yesterday and saw 7 or 8 US 734s with logos already stripped

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: Darksnowynight
Posted 2013-02-14 05:14:18 and read 21829 times.

Quoting txkf2010 (Reply 90):
Just throwing this out there but was in MIA yesterday and saw 7 or 8 US 734s with logos already stripped

I think it's probable those a/c are likely being rotated out of the fleet. I know some were scheduled to go this year. Also, the merger is announced, not completed. I'm not sure at what point PMUS (yeah, I said that first,  lol) will will paint their a/c to PMAA new livery, but it's likely a few months off at this point.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: brilondon
Posted 2013-02-14 05:33:43 and read 21098 times.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 80):



I know the AA name stays, but who exactly is the aquiring carrier?

I have read that AA creditors will own the majority of shares of the airline which I assume will eventually either be sold as common stock or to US.

I have no link to this, but it makes sense.

Oh well, Doug Parker gets his mits on AA, that will be the end of AA as we know it except in name. I wonder when the furloughs and layoffs will begin.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: Polot
Posted 2013-02-14 05:35:54 and read 21099 times.

Quoting EaglePower83 (Reply 82):
Did you see the videos?
They're very inspiring.

They were good, but I laughed at how they were struggling to find historic "firsts" for US (first A330 in USA, first A321 in USA...) in the 'Stronger Together' video (not US's fault of course, AA is a much older and historically much larger carrier so it is only natural that they would have more inspiring "firsts").

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: AllegiantFlyer
Posted 2013-02-14 05:39:47 and read 21027 times.

Im so glad to see in the press release that the combined airline will keep ALL hubs so this must include PHX   im also glad to of been on the side of fellow Phoenicians proving most a.netters WRONG! have a nice day (how does it feel to be a sore looser)  

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2013-02-14 05:45:19 and read 20723 times.

Quoting AllegiantFlyer (Reply 94):

Is that sarcasm or naivety?

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: commavia
Posted 2013-02-14 05:46:15 and read 20726 times.

Quoting AllegiantFlyer (Reply 94):
im also glad to of been on the side of fellow Phoenicians proving most a.netters WRONG!

  

I wouldn't hang my hat on that, or get too high-and-mighty yet. All airline merger press releases say that. History shows us how things often actually work out 2-3 years later.

I think many of us have long been making the argument that while it's unlikely PHX is going to be a mere spoke in a few years, it's also highly unlikely that it will be a major hub in its current form in that time, either. We shall see.

[Edited 2013-02-14 05:47:16]

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: iFlyLOTs
Posted 2013-02-14 05:57:20 and read 20404 times.

Quoting AllegiantFlyer (Reply 94):
Im so glad to see in the press release that the combined airline will keep ALL hubs so this must include PHX

Well it took awhile for STL to fall.. I doubt it'll be as drastic as say a MEM or a CVG but I still have my money on "It's not going to be anywhere near as big as it is currently"

Quoting AllegiantFlyer (Reply 94):
have a nice day (how does it feel to be a sore looser)

I assume it feels about the same as being a sore "winner".   

[Edited 2013-02-14 05:58:03]

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: airbazar
Posted 2013-02-14 06:00:29 and read 20177 times.

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 45):
A combined AA/US will immediately become the world's largest carrier and with it, the ability to drive down consolidated unit costs (once the merger is operationally achieved) to below DL and UA. This will be difficult for AA on its own. True, US does not bring much to the intl network of AA but AA has no choice but to bulk up to compete against DL and UA.

Only time will tell but the way I see it this only makes the new carrier slightly stronger in the Eastern part of the US and TATL markets as neither carrier is very strong in the West or Pacific (excluding SW). I fail to see how this merger is good for either carrier in terms of reach. In my opinion the UA/CO merger was a much more balanced merger and the AA/US merger is more like a shotgun marriage. If AA hadn't been in BK this merger would have never happened.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: Mainland
Posted 2013-02-14 06:00:49 and read 20222 times.

Quoting brilondon (Reply 92):

I have read that AA creditors will own the majority of shares of the airline which I assume will eventually either be sold as common stock or to US.

I have no link to this, but it makes sense.

You are correct, the breakdown is included in the joint press release. In summary:

Existing AMR shareholders receive 3.5% of the new airline
AA employees will own 23.6% of the new airline
AMR creditors will own 44.9%
Existing US shareholders will own 28%

The conversion for the creditors is a little complex, they get their shares in bunches over time, but this breakdown should hold.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2013-02-14 06:06:46 and read 20127 times.

http://www.americanairlines.co.uk/homePage.do?locale=en_GB&pref=true
The marshaller in the photo is waving at an aircraft that's not actually there. Perhaps the new Stealth A350 is the first post merger announcement?

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: Mainland
Posted 2013-02-14 06:14:22 and read 19844 times.

This is interesting now that it finds the light of day....

Filed this morning with the SEC is the presentation US Airways made to AMR creditors on January 10 staking their case for the merger. US Airways notes that this was before performing due diligence, so some of the figures changed with negotiation.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...0119312513057505/d484344dex991.htm

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: Darksnowynight
Posted 2013-02-14 06:21:16 and read 19620 times.

Quoting AllegiantFlyer (Reply 94):

I really, really, really hope you're right. Unfortunately, it's a bit early to call folks "sore losers" just yet. In every mega merger thus far, it has been promised that there would no de-hubbing. Every single one. Has that always been the case? Ask MEM or CLE or STL or LAS or PIT how they feel about that one...

I actually do think that there is real opportunity for the new AA to make this so. But AA's royally screwed up a lot of things before in this regard, and unfortunately, there will be a sizable amount of that side remaining. There are good reasons to leave PHX as is (though growing it would be a no-starter), but this doesn't mean that will be the case.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: AllegiantFlyer
Posted 2013-02-14 06:29:45 and read 19326 times.

The combined airline will also have a large presence of corporation office(s?)(in tempe im assuming) so could this be more of a hint that a de-hubbing of PHX is false???


Any ideas on how long the merger will take??

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: Mainland
Posted 2013-02-14 06:35:42 and read 19133 times.

Quoting AllegiantFlyer (Reply 103):
Any ideas on how long the merger will take??

They say they expect to close in the third quarter of this year, so that gives them 7 months on the high side. As reference, DL/NW took 6 months from announcement to close, while UA/CO took 5 months.

Of course, full operation integration will take a bit longer...

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: United787
Posted 2013-02-14 06:38:45 and read 19062 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 100):
http://www.americanairlines.co.uk/homePage.do?locale=en_GB&pref=true
The marshaller in the photo is waving at an aircraft that's not actually there. Perhaps the new Stealth A350 is the first post merger announcement?

That same photo was used in an AA e-mail I just received...it shows a little more of the photo...the aircraft to the left in the distance has a new AA tail and looks like a 747...after seeing your link, which is zoomed in a little more, it is clearly a 747... could this be a hint of a 748 order to come (I doubt it since they just upsized to the 77W)??? Probably an error...

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: commavia
Posted 2013-02-14 06:57:15 and read 18435 times.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 98):
Only time will tell but the way I see it this only makes the new carrier slightly stronger in the Eastern part of the US and TATL markets

Slightly stronger? I would argue AA will now have arguably the best coverage of the eastern U.S. of any major airline. Huge hubs in ORD, PHL, CLT and MIA, plus large concentrations in NYC and WAS, provide quite impressive coverage of the eastern U.S.

As for Europe, AA will now be basically the essentially tied with Delta and United.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 98):
neither carrier is very strong in the West or Pacific

True, this merger does little in either place.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 98):
I fail to see how this merger is good for either carrier in terms of reach.

It dramatically expands the combined reach throughout the U.S. and in continental Europe. I think the combined route maps pretty much say it all.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 98):
In my opinion the UA/CO merger was a much more balanced merger

Not sure what you mean by "balanced." UA has hubs in all the top-tier U.S. cities/gateways except MIA, true.

But this carrier will have what I believe to be essentially the best of both worlds: it will have multiple hubs that it handily dominates, some of them in some of the nation's largest and most important metro areas, plus it will also have huge combined concentrations in some of the nation's other largest and most important metro areas. This combined carrier will be #1 or #2 in 6 of the 10 largest population centers in the U.S., and a very respectable #3 in another, New York.

That is quite impressive if you ask me.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 98):
If AA hadn't been in BK this merger would have never happened.

I disagree. You could have seen this coming over 15 years ago. I think the combination - at least AA and US "east" - is quite logical and has been for well over a decade.

Quoting AllegiantFlyer (Reply 103):
The combined airline will also have a large presence of corporation office(s?)(in tempe im assuming) so could this be more of a hint that a de-hubbing of PHX is false???

You can go back to the Delta-Northwest press release and read almost identical language. "Strong corporate presence" in MSP, blah blah blah.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: brandonfsu05
Posted 2013-02-14 06:59:23 and read 18321 times.

I'm wondering if there will be any problems with the DOJ following UA/CO and DL/NW and SW/Air Tran. Will the DOJ approve this merger? Or is this going to be another ATT/Tmobile?

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: BD338
Posted 2013-02-14 07:13:13 and read 17924 times.

Quoting Mainland (Reply 101):
This is interesting now that it finds the light of day....

Filed this morning with the SEC is the presentation US Airways made to AMR creditors on January 10 staking their case for the merger. US Airways notes that this was before performing due diligence, so some of the figures changed with negotiation.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...0119312513057505/d484344dex991.htm


...

very interesting. The headline terms we see today are very close to those originally proposed 70/30 AA/US ownership, 11 member board etc. It's a well put together case.

Long term this does strengthen AA. Long term probably will drive pricing higher, but if that is the price we have to pay for a stable industry not in and out of bankruptcy every 20 minutes that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: DTW2HYD
Posted 2013-02-14 07:21:04 and read 17664 times.

Quoting brandonfsu05 (Reply 107):
I'm wondering if there will be any problems with the DOJ following UA/CO and DL/NW and SW/Air Tran. Will the DOJ approve this merger? Or is this going to be another ATT/Tmobile?

ATT/TMobile was an exception, something to do with bad blood between ATT and FCC. As long as Arizona Representitives and Senators are happy there shouldn't be any problem.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2013-02-14 07:29:29 and read 17535 times.

Delta and Northwest

United and Continental

American and US Air

KLM and Air France

This is probably the worst time in history for small businesses and the most prosperous time for big multinational corporate monopolies

On the way to one airline, one bank, one government?

Enjoy the choices while they still exist.

 Wow!

Will AA/US stay One World or will they swap to going Star Alliance?

[Edited 2013-02-14 07:31:20]

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: seansasLCY
Posted 2013-02-14 07:33:14 and read 17344 times.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 110):
Will AA/US stay One World or will they swap to going Star Alliance?

The new carrier will be in Oneworld.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2013-02-14 07:34:03 and read 17381 times.

Quoting AllegiantFlyer (Reply 103):
The combined airline will also have a large presence of corporation office(s?)(in tempe im assuming) so could this be more of a hint that a de-hubbing of PHX is false???

It looks like this is your first merger you have followed.

Guess what DL promised before the merger? You bet, fully fledged hubs in CVG and MEM.

Guess what AA promised before the TW/AA merger? You bet, a fully fledged hub in STL.

Im not saying PHX will get sliced just like those. I dont think it will. However, what they are saying now is to sell the merger to the regulators and the public. "Significant corporate presence in Phoenix" could also mean just about anything.

Take what you hear with a grain of salt.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: DeltaRules
Posted 2013-02-14 07:39:30 and read 17201 times.

Not a fan. This sucks.

In a shallow way, I just wish that if one mega-merger had to have a bi-polar, "WHAT AIRLINE DO I WANT TO BE?" Continited-style livery, it could be this one. Keep the US scheme with AA titles.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: LDVAviation
Posted 2013-02-14 08:10:39 and read 16380 times.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 98):
Only time will tell but the way I see it this only makes the new carrier slightly stronger in the Eastern part of the US and TATL markets as neither carrier is very strong in the West or Pacific (excluding SW).
Quoting commavia (Reply 106):
True, this merger does little in either place.

With the mass on the East Coast the new AA will have, it will be able to grow organically in the US/Asia market.

Currently, US is handing much of its Asia-bound traffic to UA as part of their codeshare agreement. That traffic will now be sequestered, as will any additional Asia-bound traffic that has previously gone to DL and UA from cities/hub where US was the preferred domestic airline.

On that note, the merger almost completely reverses the outcome of the DL/US slot swap, well almost. It makes the new AA just as dominant at DCA and it closes the gap that existed between DL and the old AA after the slot swap.

The merger also does a lot to solidify AA's presence in all of its transcon markets, specifically Boston where AA returns to market prominence and DC (where AA gains a hub on the other end). Almost all of AA's transcons will now operate hub to hub or at least hub to focus city. That gives them a significant advantage over DL, which apparently has decided to enter the LAX-BOS market.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: TWA1985
Posted 2013-02-14 08:11:30 and read 16326 times.

It looks like those two "Love BIRDS" just couldn't resist coming together on Valentine's Day!

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: msp747
Posted 2013-02-14 08:25:38 and read 15984 times.

Quoting commavia (Reply 96):
I think many of us have long been making the argument that while it's unlikely PHX is going to be a mere spoke in a few years, it's also highly unlikely that it will be a major hub in its current form in that time, either. We shall see

PHX will most certainly get downsized, but I don't see how the new AA can cover the inter-mountain west without it. LAX doesn't have the room to expand that much as a hub, and certainly not for smaller cities. DFW is too far for many of them to be profitable. I see PHX being a SLC type hub: not much international traffic and only modest connections, but making it easier for people out west to get where they want to be.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: C010T3
Posted 2013-02-14 08:44:07 and read 15393 times.

I really hope that Arizona keeps as much as possible in the combined company, but we all know that the New American will not piss off the Arizona congress members by announcing any cuts now. The airline will need every help it can get in order to have the merger approved by the DOJ without extensive remedies. Texas, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Arizona and Florida will be the most important lobbyists of this merger.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: wingnutmn
Posted 2013-02-14 08:53:00 and read 15241 times.

What is US A330 seat configurations? The easiest way to expand to Asia is to fly the A330 on routes that 777 fly and put the 777 into Asia for expansion. Replace A330 routes that can be downgauged to 767. Ideal scenario? No, but it is a way to expand Asia or the South Pacific on your own metal. Instead of an A330 to and a 757 to MAN, lets send 2x 767 or a 767 and 757. Reconfigure the A333 with First Class and send it to LHR or FRA.

As some who saw first hand what happens when "your airport is given smaller planes", it sucked, but by moving the 744 from MSP-NRT to a 777 it allowed growth elsewhere, likewise, A333 are now A332 and 767 to AMS. But it allowed DL to expand or grow more profitable routes. Bite the bullet in PHL and CLT, but JFK, ORD and DFW are more important in the grand scheme of this new company. I could see a lot more 757 trans atlantic from PHL, I also see the new AA building up LAX much more or even trying to build into SEA to start a Trans-pac hub much like DL is doing. AA has a codeshare with AS already.

The winner in this merger is AS. No way that AA tries to merge now. Odds of DL coming to talk are not as strong now that AA/US tie up, and UA just isn't interested. You can keep all your codeshares and still keep your independence.

Wingut

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: YYCSpotter
Posted 2013-02-14 09:22:18 and read 14459 times.

I was hoping for the new AA to go to Star, not Oneworld. bummer. I will miss US's presence at YYC, aswell. More 737s with AA will add to the long list of 737 operators in YYC.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: Bralo20
Posted 2013-02-14 09:36:18 and read 14144 times.

Looking at the video on Youtube, maybe the new livery and logo were made for the merger after all?



Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: seb146
Posted 2013-02-14 09:39:54 and read 14055 times.

What does this do for historic routes? I had heard something long ago that if MIA-HAV opened, priority was given to PA. Since they have gone out, I can't remember who that fell to. Maybe TW? Does that now go to AA or how does that work?

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: Flighty
Posted 2013-02-14 09:45:10 and read 13959 times.

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 114):
On that note, the merger almost completely reverses the outcome of the DL/US slot swap, well almost. It makes the new AA just as dominant at DCA and it closes the gap that existed between DL and the old AA after the slot swap.

Yes it makes US look like geniuses for trading away those LGA slots. They will now have all the LGA slots they ever would have wanted or needed in the first place. Plus an excellent beachhead at DCA, even if they must divest most of the AA slots.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: commavia
Posted 2013-02-14 09:50:51 and read 13784 times.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 122):
Yes it makes US look like geniuses for trading away those LGA slots. They will now have all the LGA slots they ever would have wanted or needed in the first place. Plus an excellent beachhead at DCA, even if they must divest most of the AA slots.

Truthfully I think AA now has the absolute best of both worlds in the northeast, and is better positioned there than Delta. AA will now have plentiful slot holdings at LGA and JFK from which to very adequately serve the local O&D base, but can route connections over the hub they control in PHL.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: jfk777
Posted 2013-02-14 09:55:25 and read 13708 times.

Quoting commavia (Reply 123):
Truthfully I think AA now has the absolute best of both worlds in the northeast, and is better positioned there than Delta. AA will now have plentiful slot holdings at LGA and JFK from which to very adequately serve the local O&D base, but can route connections over the hub they control in PHL.

Charlotte will see a decent expansion of Internationmal flights, 767, 777 and A330 type flights. IF DL can make ATL a huge gateway so can AA at CLT. AA will build on US CLT to GIG flight. Iberia and BA will probably annouce flights in 2014 to CLT, when Boeing fixes the 787 may be JAL to NRT, now wouldn't that be something ?

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: rampart
Posted 2013-02-14 09:57:20 and read 13590 times.

Quoting rising (Reply 12):

Just think, not long ago we had a litany of fragmented, poorly-managed airlines chasing market-share. Now, we look and see carriers who are large enough to have pricing power, can manage capacity smartly, are focused on making a profit, and can, at last, do what many thought was impossible: end the boom and bust cycles that have destroyed careers, wiped out investors, and lead to instability for airports and markets around the world.

I'd have preferred perhaps 8-10 smaller airlines, well managed, pricing power in their own regions or strengths, maybe able to form alliances, and most of all, not too big to fail! "Poorly managed" didn't have to do with size. Some very well managed airlines were small. WN at the time, for instance? And some large airlines were poorly managed. Take your pick. Market share is still an issue, you think the Big 4 will sit back and hedge on their status quo, or will WN whittle away at DL, DL on AA, AA on UA, and...? Pricing power is their own fault, and I guess if oligopoly is OK with you, yeah, they have some pricing power. And someone find me some statistics on which airlines were profitable in the 1980s or 1990s, back when things were small. Yes, fuel is higher. Yes, far more people fly than ever before. And incongruously, the answer to that changing environment is to have 3-4 megacarriers flying smaller, rather than larger, aircraft. Bizarre.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 49):
as I'm sure they were thinking PA and TW would at least be on there.

Maybe 40 years ago, but not 30 years, the mid 80's. Both TWA and PA were weak and struggling compared to the larger competitors, UA, AA, DL, even EA, except perhaps in international flying, which was also losing ground to the domestic competitors. CO, NW, even USAir might have been considered stronger at the time. If I were going to pick a couple airlines out of the 1980s that might not last, shedding the bias of historic heritage, TWA and PA would be top candidates.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: jpdflymhtmlb
Posted 2013-02-14 10:25:34 and read 13048 times.

Anyone else notice on US Airways' updated Facebook cover photo...the tail of the new American livery coming from the left hand side can be seen, but if you look at the front of the plane, it definitely is in the shape of a 747? Found that amusing...

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: wingnutmn
Posted 2013-02-14 10:28:15 and read 12940 times.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 124):
Charlotte will see a decent expansion of Internationmal flights, 767, 777 and A330 type flights. IF DL can make ATL a huge gateway so can AA at CLT. AA will build on US CLT to GIG flight. Iberia and BA will probably annouce flights in 2014 to CLT, when Boeing fixes the 787 may be JAL to NRT, now wouldn't that be something ?

Not to accuse you of looking through rosey goggles, but how do you see any of that happening? South American Gateway of MIA means just that, if you live on the east coast you go through MIA, and in the west, you go through DFW, Europe goes through JFK and relief through PHL, Asia will go through LAX or ORD. CLT will keep what they have for now, but they won't keep it all long term. CLT will be a dominant DOMESTIC hub, but international will be funneled through the better geographically placed hubs.

Wingnut

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: brandonfsu05
Posted 2013-02-14 10:52:10 and read 12497 times.

Quoting wingnutmn (Reply 127):
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 124):
Charlotte will see a decent expansion of Internationmal flights, 767, 777 and A330 type flights. IF DL can make ATL a huge gateway so can AA at CLT. AA will build on US CLT to GIG flight. Iberia and BA will probably annouce flights in 2014 to CLT, when Boeing fixes the 787 may be JAL to NRT, now wouldn't that be something ?

Not to accuse you of looking through rosey goggles, but how do you see any of that happening? South American Gateway of MIA means just that, if you live on the east coast you go through MIA, and in the west, you go through DFW, Europe goes through JFK and relief through PHL, Asia will go through LAX or ORD. CLT will keep what they have for now, but they won't keep it all long term. CLT will be a dominant DOMESTIC hub, but international will be funneled through the better geographically placed hubs.

Wingnut

I see CLT serving the position it does in AA as it has with US vs. PHL, except third fiddle. CLT will serve no unique destinations internationally in AA and will only acquire flights if AA has expanded sufficiently in other markets.

There will be a point where adding that 5th flight to GRU to MIA or DFW or 5th flight to EZE or w/e isn't going to make as much sense as capitalizing on the existing domestic traffic flowing through CLT. CLT has played that role already with PHL in US Airways. CLT after 9/11 only had London and Frankfurt for many years until PHL was "sufficiently" expanded or enough routes had been tried. Only then, did they experiment in CLT by adding new destinations, running seasonal services that can capitalize on the scale of economies already present by the PHL operation.

It will be interesting to see whether Parker will pursue a varied amount of destinations in the new network, or seek to increase frequency between.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: United787
Posted 2013-02-14 11:26:53 and read 11835 times.

Quoting jpdflymhtmlb (Reply 126):
Anyone else notice on US Airways' updated Facebook cover photo...the tail of the new American livery coming from the left hand side can be seen, but if you look at the front of the plane, it definitely is in the shape of a 747? Found that amusing...

I did too, see below...A-Netters are usually all of this like a rumor from the brother-in-law of pilot's neighbor   but not today...

Quoting United787 (Reply 105):
That same photo was used in an AA e-mail I just received...it shows a little more of the photo...the aircraft to the left in the distance has a new AA tail and looks like a 747...after seeing your link, which is zoomed in a little more, it is clearly a 747... could this be a hint of a 748 order to come (I doubt it since they just upsized to the 77W)??? Probably an error...

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2013-02-14 11:48:27 and read 11438 times.

I also recieved an email from US Airways today saying that both FF program will remain unchanged thankfully....at least for now.

I hope it stays unchanged and I can keep my status as a Dividend Miles member.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: david_itl
Posted 2013-02-14 11:54:21 and read 11328 times.

Quoting wingnutmn (Reply 118):
stead of an A330 to and a 757 to MAN, lets send 2x 767 or a 767 and 757. Reconfigure the A333 with First Class and send it to LHR or FRA.

Of course, it's the "lets trash a regional route because I've haven't clue why it's like this" moment. If MAN is an A330 it is because the market determined it was worthy of an A330 only 8 months after it was launched. There was suggestion of CLT-MAN using a 767. So, instead of doing that keep a 757 at JFK to perhaps look at JFK-BHX and move a 767 across to operate the JFK-MAN route. Then we can have 2 x 767 (ORD, JFK) and an A330 daily (PHL). Given the metal neutrality on the BA-AA joint-venture, some the of the premium BA flyers based in the northwest can be shunted away from the MAN-LHR-ORD/PHL/JFK route.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: mah4546
Posted 2013-02-14 11:55:36 and read 11347 times.

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 130):
I also recieved an email from US Airways today saying that both FF program will remain unchanged thankfully....at least for now.

I hope it stays unchanged and I can keep my status as a Dividend Miles member.

It's not "at least" for now. It's for now.

Your Divident Miles will become AAdvantage Miles, probably within 24 months.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: wingnutmn
Posted 2013-02-14 11:55:56 and read 11366 times.

Quoting brandonfsu05 (Reply 128):
I see CLT serving the position it does in AA as it has with US vs. PHL, except third fiddle. CLT will serve no unique destinations internationally in AA and will only acquire flights if AA has expanded sufficiently in other markets.

Likewise, I see PHL as that role for JFK. I see JFK expanded internationally, and PHL relieving it. Any extra flow is split between MIA and ORD. I think that CLT keeps/gains trunk routes of LHR, CDG, AMS, and BCN. Other than that, you let the global alliance carriers fly to the next level. You will lose FRA because OW doesn't need a CLT-FRA flight. I see CLT Maybe you will keep GRU, but not if AA feels that a 5x MIA isn't a better option. The only reason ATL is so big for DL is because of the headquarters there. There is no reason for someone to fly from MEM to ATL to go to Asia. Likewise someone from DSM going to ATL for Europe when JFK and DTW are better connection airports. It is all about bragging rights that ATL is the biggest, even though it may not be the best. CLT doesn't have that option to them. They are at best a DTW in the new system and more likely an MSP. Once important, but now just a nice domestic cash cow!

Wingnut

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: HPRamper
Posted 2013-02-14 11:56:37 and read 11305 times.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 98):
Only time will tell but the way I see it this only makes the new carrier slightly stronger in the Eastern part of the US and TATL markets as neither carrier is very strong in the West or Pacific (excluding SW).

Slightly stronger? Arguably the strongest.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 100):
The marshaller in the photo is waving at an aircraft that's not actually there. Perhaps the new Stealth A350 is the first post merger announcement?

Those aircraft in the distance are probably too far away for this marshaler to be guiding. The actual arriving flight is probably to the left or right of the picture and much closer. He is not waving the aircraft in, he is standing on the J-line signaling the correct gate for arrival.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 110):
Will AA/US stay One World or will they swap to going Star Alliance?

Oneworld. And now Star has a gaping hole in the Southeast and Caribbean areas.

Quoting msp747 (Reply 116):
PHX will most certainly get downsized, but I don't see how the new AA can cover the inter-mountain west without it.

AA can't cover the intermountain west WITH it either. PHX, while still technically the third-best hub for the mountain region, still sucks compared to DEN and SLC. It's too far south to efficiently serve anything north of Colorado/Utah. While that excludes only small markets, in essence the only major markets in the entire mountain west region are DEN and SLC (and arguably COS) unless you include ABQ. In any case I expect PHX to retain flights to DEN, SLC and possibly ABQ but I would not bank on any smaller markets in the area. The days of HP serving FMN and DRO are sadly long gone.

On a related note, I'm hoping for an expansion of the AS codeshare. AS now is making inroads into the Rocky Mountain region and it would be nice to add connectivity to the AA network to places like GTF and BIL.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: IllinoisMan
Posted 2013-02-14 12:06:02 and read 11160 times.

This merger is bad news for PHX and AA FFs. Now the stink of US will taint one of the last remaining good airlines. To get a preview of how this will effect fliers and the employees, go to the archives and read about the mess the HP-US merger was when it came to merging the reservation systems, baggage systems, flight operations, etc. And I'm surprised the unions got suckered into voting for this - since the pilots STILL don't have a common contract after all these years and now another set of pilots will have to be integrated into the mix with all their seniority, etc. The only person who will benefit from this is Doug Parker - he finally got what he wanted - to be in charge of American Airlines - now let's see how fast he can drive it into the ground.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: silentbob
Posted 2013-02-14 12:07:05 and read 11113 times.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 69):
In another thread, I asked aloud how long folks thought it would take to re-earn as profits the $20-30 million that's owed by now, after interest, but in the only answers I received I was simply quoted the amount due.

They could make that money back very quickly if they expand service and add JFK and MIA flights.

Quoting mariner (Reply 70):
Because none of that happened here. This time, Mr. Parker got almost everyone - from unions and to creditors - onside very early in the game. Mr. Horton was outmanoeuvred almost from Day 1, just as Mr. Parker had been, previously, by Mr. Grinstein.

Very interesting analysis and I suspect that you are right in many ways. Parker absolutely appeared to learn from the DL scenario and applied those lessons to the AA offer. That should be seen as a good sign moving forward, you should want someone in charge that is proactive and learns from situations that have less than ideal resolutions.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: usairways85
Posted 2013-02-14 12:09:25 and read 11136 times.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 124):

Charlotte will see a decent expansion of Internationmal flights, 767, 777 and A330 type flights. IF DL can make ATL a huge gateway so can AA at CLT. AA will build on US CLT to GIG flight. Iberia and BA will probably annouce flights in 2014 to CLT, when Boeing fixes the 787 may be JAL to NRT, now wouldn't that be something ?

AA is not going to make CLT into a 800-1000 flt/day hub. ATL is Delta's main hub, DFW will be AA/US'. Highly doubt Iberia adds CLT-MAD, if CLT-MAD stays it will be on US/AA metal and JAL on CLT-NRT is an extreme long shot

Quoting wingnutmn (Reply 127):
Not to accuse you of looking through rosey goggles, but how do you see any of that happening? South American Gateway of MIA means just that, if you live on the east coast you go through MIA, and in the west, you go through DFW, Europe goes through JFK and relief through PHL, Asia will go through LAX or ORD. CLT will keep what they have for now, but they won't keep it all long term. CLT will be a dominant DOMESTIC hub, but international will be funneled through the better geographically placed hubs.
Quoting brandonfsu05 (Reply 128):
There will be a point where adding that 5th flight to GRU to MIA or DFW or 5th flight to EZE or w/e isn't going to make as much sense as capitalizing on the existing domestic traffic flowing through CLT. CLT has played that role already with PHL in US Airways. CLT after 9/11 only had London and Frankfurt for many years until PHL was "sufficiently" expanded or enough routes had been tried. Only then, did they experiment in CLT by adding new destinations, running seasonal services that can capitalize on the scale of economies already present by the PHL operation.

PHL needed a reliever and US needed to provide alternatives. US basically had 1 flt a day to European destinations save FRA where as UA/AA/DL tend to have multiple from multiple cities (ORD/IAD/EWR/SFO-CDG) which provides flexibility and options to the connecting passenger. The CLT additions provided a broader reach for US.

Adding ORD, JFK, DFW, and MIA to the mix, CLT will no longer need to play the role of reliever. They'll likely keep LHR and possibly MAD, and maybe FRA, but I suspect the others will go.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-02-14 12:15:31 and read 10963 times.

Allergian, B6, F9, and Spirit have to be salivating at the better profit potential post-merger.

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 34):
I would assume an uptick in service from UA and DL into PHX now...

I would expect WN to take advantage of the increased fares. I would also expect B6 to take advantage of PHX.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 42):
Now that's funny! The airlines can barely make a $5 price hike stick, but at some undetermined time (tomorrow?), US/AA fares will rise 5% to/from PHX. Really.

I chuckled at that. But with enough capacity removal...


A general comment:
I wasn't in favor of this merger, but now that its happened, I will wait to see what happens. Unless the unions are consolidated, I do not see the value.

Lightsaber

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2013-02-14 12:23:34 and read 10810 times.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 122):
Yes it makes US look like geniuses for trading away those LGA slots. They will now have all the LGA slots they ever would have wanted or needed in the first place

Absolutely, I'll give Doug the benefit of the doubt and say that this was a genius move. Just so long as AA agreed to merge then he could keep NYC, and turn one of the highest yielding markets in the country into a mini-fortress.

Quoting EaglePower83 (Reply 82):
Did you see the videos?
They're very inspiring.

They're really good! Much better than anything I've seen from UA, and if they keep whoever made them I'm sure that AA will have some great commercials in the future.

That said, did anyone else feel that the first one is very "Delta"? I couldn't shake the feeling that it was the first half of "Change" and the second half of "Keep Climbing"

When the narrator says "we will not just become a bigger airline," I automatically thought, "but a better one" - to which the narrator added, "but something so much greater."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fnSvq1QZIc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8seYU6ly9qI

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2013-02-14 12:27:40 and read 10746 times.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 124):

Thanks for the laugh. CLT is not ATL.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: oc2dc
Posted 2013-02-14 12:28:24 and read 10691 times.

I'm feeling a bit indifferent about this merger. On the one hand, AA will now have a huge presence on the eastern part of the U.S. and have a few new destinations in Europe and Mexico. Although, I am willing to bet there will be some axing when it comes to US destinations in Europe (i.e. LIS ,ATH, BRU, possibly MUC and some downsizing at FRA because of its dependence on Star Alliance). On the other hand, AA will now absorb US's horrid in-flight service and gain more old planes than it can handle. Hopefully the old US 767's and 734's will be tossed out quickly.

The only thing that makes me feel a tad bit optimistic about this whole merger is the potential for growth in Asia. The new AA will now have a larger customer base and all the traffic US had previously sent to ANA, UA, SQ and so on, will now be directed toward AA. This makes filling up planes to Asia a lot easier and gives the combined company the opportunity to open up new destinations. We may even see increased frequency and new routes like PHL-NRT.

I'm confident all hubs won't be left as is. All the press releases are a bunch of baloney. I'm definitely curious to see all the shifting, cutting and expanding plays out.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: HPRamper
Posted 2013-02-14 12:32:08 and read 10639 times.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 124):
Charlotte will see a decent expansion of Internationmal flights, 767, 777 and A330 type flights. IF DL can make ATL a huge gateway so can AA at CLT.
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 140):
Thanks for the laugh. CLT is not ATL.

Well...both of you have a point. CLT is smaller than ATL but its main roadblock to becoming an international hub like ATL is not its size, but the presence of MIA to the south. ATL and JFK coexist for DL, but CLT is sandwiched between JFK and MIA both of which are perfectly situated for their own international networks.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: mah4546
Posted 2013-02-14 12:41:16 and read 10512 times.

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 141):
On the other hand, AA will now absorb US's horrid in-flight service

Where on earth has that been said?

US/AA isn't stupid. It knows it needs to up to AA's standards. It's about to become the world's largest airline - and to compete effectively, the US service standards won't work.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: usairways85
Posted 2013-02-14 12:44:54 and read 10481 times.

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 141):
On the other hand, AA will now absorb US's horrid in-flight service and gain more old planes than it can handle. Hopefully the old US 767's and 734's will be tossed out quickly.

Frankly AA has more rust bucket MD80s than US has old planes.

US has:
10 762s that will quickly exit once the merger goes through
32 734s that will probably not be far behind
24 752s some of which will probably go and some will likely stay for Hawaii and thin europe routes

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: aacun
Posted 2013-02-14 12:57:00 and read 10268 times.

Although I joined late in the game, the AA employee presentation by both Mr. Horton and Mr. Parker just finished. It really looked like 2 old friends getting togethere to chat with their employees. One thing that was noted more thatn once. They commented more than once about wether this merger would be like the UA/CO or more like DL/NW. Mr. Parker noted that in the UA/CO just as in the AWA/US merger, the problem was that the smaller carrier ( CO,AWA ) were the carriers that ended up running the new airline, and being it that they were the most succesful airlines of the 2, went ahead and just attempted to institute all of their operational techniques into the much bigger UA/US. He attributed most the problems to that. He noted that would not be the case here. He pointed out that this time unless there was a significant factor that required otherwise, it would be AA tecnology and operations being adapted to US. Also, he mention something about pax. service. IIRC he mentioned that US would be brough up to AA service standards in regards to their premium services. That is encouraging.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: aacun
Posted 2013-02-14 12:59:14 and read 10215 times.

Although I joined late in the game, the AA employee presentation by both Mr. Horton and Mr. Parker just finished. It really looked like 2 old friends getting togethere to chat with their employees. One thing that was noted more thatn once. They commented more than once about wether this merger would be like the UA/CO or more like DL/NW. Mr. Parker noted that in the UA/CO just as in the AWA/US merger, the problem was that the smaller carrier ( CO,AWA ) were the carriers that ended up running the new airline, and being it that they were the most succesful airlines of the 2, went ahead and just attempted to institute all of their operational techniques into the much bigger UA/US. He attributed most the problems to that. He noted that would not be the case here. He pointed out that this time unless there was a significant factor that required otherwise, it would be AA tecnology and operations being adapted to US. Also, he mention something about pax. service. IIRC he mentioned that US would be brough up to AA service standards in regards to their premium services. That is encouraging.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: realsim
Posted 2013-02-14 13:14:45 and read 9923 times.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 124):
Charlotte will see a decent expansion of Internationmal flights, 767, 777 and A330 type flights. IF DL can make ATL a huge gateway so can AA at CLT. AA will build on US CLT to GIG flight. Iberia and BA will probably annouce flights in 2014 to CLT, when Boeing fixes the 787 may be JAL to NRT, now wouldn't that be something ?

CLT-MAD on IB is not going to happen. With US being part of AA/IB JV, all the smaller markets can be reached through JFK, PHL, ORD, DFW and MIA. Moreover, sadly I doubt that CLT-MAD will remain even with US metal, because between DFW, PHL and MIA there seems to be enough connectivity.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: commavia
Posted 2013-02-14 13:23:05 and read 9809 times.

Quoting aacun (Reply 145):
Parker noted that in the UA/CO just as in the AWA/US merger, the problem was that the smaller carrier ( CO,AWA ) were the carriers that ended up running the new airline, and being it that they were the most succesful airlines of the 2, went ahead and just attempted to institute all of their operational techniques into the much bigger UA/US. He attributed most the problems to that. He noted that would not be the case here. He pointed out that this time unless there was a significant factor that required otherwise, it would be AA tecnology and operations being adapted to US. Also, he mention something about pax. service. IIRC he mentioned that US would be brough up to AA service standards in regards to their premium services.

THRILLED is not a strong enough word to describe how I feel about that. Let's hope he means it (and I don't doubt he does).

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: tommy767
Posted 2013-02-14 13:44:36 and read 9397 times.

Quoting EaglePower83 (Reply 82):

I agree. They did a bang up job on the merger website. Puts UA to shame as they didn't roll out hub.united.com months into the merger.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2013-02-14 13:52:16 and read 9256 times.

Quoting david_itl (Reply 131):
it's the "lets trash a regional route because I've haven't clue why it's like this" moment

Absolutely, MAN is a safe destination for the new carrier.

Let's not forget that US are the bellweather operator on MAN-USA, having never flinched sending a daily 330 through 9/11, recession etc. whereas everyone else kept downgauging/cutting flights. Before some AA-fanboys scream low-yield FL connections, I have one word: AstraZeneca. PHL-MAN is straight from Wilmington, DE to Alderly Park, Cheshire.

Also, MAN is fairly exceptional in the AA network: it is the only "non-major" European city (by which I mean capital or financial centre) that they fly to, and have done so for something like 25 years.

Quoting silentbob (Reply 136):
They could make that money back very quickly if they expand service and add JFK and MIA flights

I think that PHL has a future to TLV, but JFK and MIA will be great additions. Maybe MIA should come first, as everyone and their dog flies NYC-TLV, and might therefore draw higher yields.

Also (and don't laugh) is there a Jewish population (however small) in Latin America?

Quoting aacun (Reply 145):
Mr. Parker noted that in the UA/CO just as in the AWA/US merger, the problem was that the smaller carrier ( CO,AWA ) were the carriers that ended up running the new airline, and being it that they were the most succesful airlines of the 2, went ahead and just attempted to institute all of their operational techniques into the much bigger UA/US. He attributed most the problems to that. He noted that would not be the case here. He pointed out that this time unless there was a significant factor that required otherwise, it would be AA tecnology and operations being adapted to US.

WOWWWWW!!!!

I didn't doubt that Parker had learned from UA-AW, but this sounds even more encouraging than I was expecting.

Quoting aacun (Reply 145):
mentioned that US would be brough up to AA service standards in regards to their premium services.

I personally didn't doubt that, it had to happen. Just as CO's international J was superior to UA's (and therefore stuck), it would have been suicide to put US domestic F on AA metal.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: WhiteWasp
Posted 2013-02-14 13:56:58 and read 9175 times.

So, Is the new merger going to stay OneWorld or Star Alliance? I really didn't want to see the merger happen. I'm partial to US Airways. My hometown airline TWA was decimated by AA. US Airways has been my favorite airline since the AA/TWA takeover.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: Lanas
Posted 2013-02-14 14:42:11 and read 8613 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 150):
Also (and don't laugh) is there a Jewish population (however small) in Latin America?

Argentina has a Jewish population, but don't know how big it would be, compared to others. I believe Brazil does as well, in Sao Paulo, if I'm not mistaken.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: Lanas
Posted 2013-02-14 14:43:31 and read 8620 times.

Quoting WhiteWasp (Reply 151):

So, Is the new merger going to stay OneWorld or Star Alliance?

In their merger website it states that it will be OneWorld.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: Maverick623
Posted 2013-02-14 14:46:50 and read 8549 times.

Quoting IllinoisMan (Reply 135):
To get a preview of how this will effect fliers and the employees, go to the archives and read about the mess the HP-US merger was when it came to merging the reservation systems, baggage systems, flight operations, etc.

Implying that US hasn't learned those lessons.

Further implying that mergers are generally smooth. With the exception of DL and NW, they're not.

Quoting IllinoisMan (Reply 135):
And I'm surprised the unions got suckered into voting for this - since the pilots STILL don't have a common contract after all these years and now another set of pilots will have to be integrated into the mix with all their seniority, etc.

This is about the most clueless post I've read about the pilots, just behind "It's all Parker's fault". The issues that caused the East pilots to go rogue have effectively been eliminated, because of what the East pilots did.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 150):

Let's not forget that US are the bellweather operator on MAN-USA, having never flinched sending a daily 330 through 9/11, recession etc. whereas everyone else kept downgauging/cutting flights. Before some AA-fanboys scream low-yield FL connections, I have one word: AstraZeneca. PHL-MAN is straight from Wilmington, DE to Alderly Park, Cheshire.

  

That flight can be a real pain in the butt to get on as a non-rev, even (and most days especially) in J. That flight is a money maker, no question about it.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: flyfree727
Posted 2013-02-14 14:49:50 and read 8503 times.

Quoting aacun (Reply 146):
. IIRC he mentioned that US would be brough up to AA service standards in regards to their premium services. That is encouraging.

You recall correctly.. The question was asked from an admirals club/concierge key representative, who wanted to know what equilivant services were offered at US. Parker stated that US currently did not offer the same level of service, but that the US services would be brought up to AA levels.

AA ORD

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: mah4546
Posted 2013-02-14 14:53:40 and read 8492 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 150):
Also (and don't laugh) is there a Jewish population (however small) in Latin America?

Buenos Aires has one of the world's largest Jewish communities; Sao Paulo also has a sizeable Jewish population.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 150):
I think that PHL has a future to TLV, but JFK and MIA will be great additions. Maybe MIA should come first, as everyone and their dog flies NYC-TLV, and might therefore draw higher yields.

TLV should be served, IMO, daily from JFK and 3w from MIA (assuming LY doesn't get back in first; in which case no reason for AA to join).

PHLTLV market absolutely exploded in size after US introduced service - it literally grew eight-fold over two years from a non-existant local market to a decent sized one (but still not huge). That doesn't happen in a market like Philadelphia - growth like that is pretty limited to vacation routes like Miami, Cancun, Punta Cana, LA, etc. - which just tells me its attracting traffic that is largely indifferent between using PHL and EWR. TLV, meanwhile, is JFK's third largest long-haul market, and one that is important for AA if it intends to develop its JFK long-haul routes.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2013-02-14 15:00:06 and read 8350 times.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 154):
That flight can be a real pain in the butt to get on as a non-rev, even (and most days especially) in J. That flight is a money maker, no question about it.

I've heard stories of that flight going out 100% full in J even if lightly loaded in the back (in February, for example).

Also, it does quite well - apparently - with the Manchester region business community. I know this from my dad, who used to fly MAN-PHL-ROA bi-monthly, with US' superior east coast network allowing connections to places (such as ROA) where others couldn't get you (via ATL wasn't really an option for him). While his client only paid Y, he always booked flexible tickets close in to departure.

In short, that route isn't all about MCO by any stretch of the imagination.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: usairways85
Posted 2013-02-14 15:04:46 and read 8294 times.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 156):
PHLTLV market absolutely exploded in size after US introduced service - it literally grew eight-fold over two years from a non-existant local market to a decent sized one (but still not huge). That doesn't happen in a market like Philadelphia - growth like that is pretty limited to vacation routes like Miami, Cancun, Punta Cana, LA, etc. - which just tells me its attracting traffic that is largely indifferent between using PHL and EWR. TLV, meanwhile, is JFK's third largest long-haul market, and one that is important for AA if it intends to develop its JFK long-haul routes.

Without getting OT into the specific numbers of the Jewish/Israeli population of the PHL area but as you suggested it is likely that PHL is attracting paxs from the broader area between PHL and EWR.

Also how does US fare in terms of fares on PHL-TLV. Two Mondays in a row I've seen at least 2 or 3 people in the PHL UA club that are connecting from the US TLV flt. That implies they chose to connect on US through PHL rather than UA through EWR>

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: Maverick623
Posted 2013-02-14 15:15:49 and read 8165 times.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 156):
TLV should be served

IIRC, doesn't American have to pony up some money to start serving TLV again, because of the TWA issues?

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 157):

I've heard stories of that flight going out 100% full in J even if lightly loaded in the back (in February, for example).

Oh trust me I can tell you some stories about that flight.  
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 157):
In short, that route isn't all about MCO by any stretch of the imagination.

To be fair, the flight number used does originate/terminate in MCO. I would wager less than 10% of the seats filled are actually thru passengers, though.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2013-02-14 15:22:00 and read 8060 times.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 156):
Buenos Aires has one of the world's largest Jewish communities; Sao Paulo also has a sizeable Jewish population.

Interesting, I wasn't aware of that. I guess this could help build a case for MIA-TLV, although I note that going via LHR/CDG is 2000mi shorter.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: usairways85
Posted 2013-02-14 15:24:22 and read 8000 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 150):
Let's not forget that US are the bellweather operator on MAN-USA, having never flinched sending a daily 330 through 9/11, recession etc. whereas everyone else kept downgauging/cutting flights. Before some AA-fanboys scream low-yield FL connections, I have one word: AstraZeneca. PHL-MAN is straight from Wilmington, DE to Alderly Park, Cheshire.

Ah, I knew it was one of the Pharma's but I wasn't sure which one.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: mah4546
Posted 2013-02-14 15:31:21 and read 7987 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 161):
Interesting, I wasn't aware of that. I guess this could help build a case for MIA-TLV, although I note that going via LHR/CDG is 2000mi shorter.

The fact that Miami-Tel Aviv is the single busiest trans-Atlantic city pair without non-stop service (it and SFOROM) builds a case all on its own.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: AirplaneFan
Posted 2013-02-14 15:55:52 and read 7641 times.

Hopefully this new merger between AA and US will bring in some new orders for Boeing 747-8's.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: PanAmPaul
Posted 2013-02-14 16:09:13 and read 7486 times.

Quoting randyh3253 (Reply 85):
Per the merger website the new AA will indeed keep US's 1 daily flight to TLV http://newamericanarriving.com/customers/international-benefits/

I see to recall that AA had some sort of problem relating back to TWA which had kept it from offering the TLV service. I wonder if that has to be resolved and, if so, how?

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-02-14 16:24:20 and read 7401 times.

Quoting Lanas (Reply 152):
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 150):
Also (and don't laugh) is there a Jewish population (however small) in Latin America?

Argentina has a Jewish population, but don't know how big it would be, compared to others. I believe Brazil does as well, in Sao Paulo, if I'm not mistaken.
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 161):
Quoting mah4546 (Reply 156):
Buenos Aires has one of the world's largest Jewish communities; Sao Paulo also has a sizeable Jewish population.

Interesting, I wasn't aware of that. I guess this could help build a case for MIA-TLV, although I note that going via LHR/CDG is 2000mi shorter.

According to the pie chart on page 6 of this document:
http://www.jewishdatabank.org/Reports/World_Jewish_Population_2010.pdf

Argentina has the 7th largest Jewish population in the world after Israel, the U.S., France, Canada, the U.K. and Russia. It shows the largest Jewish communities in Latin America as follows:

Argentina - 182,300
Brazil - 95,600
Mexico - 39,400
Chile - 20,500

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: gigneil
Posted 2013-02-14 18:12:37 and read 7136 times.

Quoting Bralo20 (Reply 120):
Looking at the video on Youtube, maybe the new livery and logo were made for the merger after all?

They very, very obviously were.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 134):
Slightly stronger? Arguably the strongest.

Its hard to argue - US was already the largest carrier East of the Mississippi by a decent margin. Now there's no question of it.

NS

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: oc2dc
Posted 2013-02-14 18:15:10 and read 7135 times.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 143):
Quoting oc2dc (Reply 141):
On the other hand, AA will now absorb US's horrid in-flight service

Where on earth has that been said?

US/AA isn't stupid. It knows it needs to up to AA's standards. It's about to become the world's largest airline - and to compete effectively, the US service standards won't work.

Do you really think US is going to change overnight and have their standards on par with AA? No, not a chance. That will take years. According to the employee presentation, the premium cabins will be brought up to AA standards. How many years will that take? And apparently no mention of the standards in the back of the plane. That concerns me.

Doug Parker does not currently run a premium airline. I don't think he is in the mindset of making things in Y better. Who knows what the future holds for the J and F cabins. With DP's train of thought, those could be reduced or axed. Hopefully Horton will get DP up to speed on how things should be run.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: caliatenza
Posted 2013-02-14 18:19:31 and read 7116 times.

Will there be any new destinations in South or South East Asia, or Asia in general? Or will the OneWorld partners handle that?

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: gigneil
Posted 2013-02-14 18:32:19 and read 7067 times.

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 167):
How many years will that take?

Not real long, is my guess.... they have a large number of new planes being delivered. And the envoy cabins are pretty nice right now.

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 167):
Doug Parker does not currently run a premium airline

You know why? Premium airlines don't make money in the United States.

NS

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: flyfree727
Posted 2013-02-14 19:14:53 and read 6947 times.

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 167):
Do you really think US is going to change overnight and have their standards on par with AA? No, not a chance. That will take years. According to the employee presentation, the premium cabins will be brought up to AA standards.

The "soft product" can be changed in a matter of weeks! glassware, introduction of meals on non- current meal flights etc will not take "years" to change.
Cabin mods will take a while longer, maybe "years" for totally completion, but not "years" before the transformation begins.

AA ORD

[Edited 2013-02-14 19:16:12]

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: usairways85
Posted 2013-02-14 19:24:17 and read 6912 times.

Quoting caliatenza (Reply 168):
Will there be any new destinations in South or South East Asia, or Asia in general? Or will the OneWorld partners handle that?

This is one area where AA/US will still lag far behind DL and UA

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: joeman
Posted 2013-02-14 19:43:52 and read 6852 times.

To bad US didn't treat PIT and AA STL the same way DL does CVG and CO/UA CLE. The new entity AA would be offering substantial service above the competition and stranglehholding the markets with high fares, limited LCC if any, pretending they were real hubs for the airline, and making sure they captured the bulk of the available revenue in two more of the largest markets that contribute to and make their "fortress" hubs work.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: IllinoisMan
Posted 2013-02-14 19:47:48 and read 6823 times.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 154):
Implying that US hasn't learned those lessons.

Further implying that mergers are generally smooth. With the exception of DL and NW, they're not.

Well then I can only hope that AA honors it's frequent flyer points. US's points are worthless and their treatment of frequent flyers are terrible. Hope AA has more respect for their good customers. They should all take a lesson from DL because they know how to treat a return customer.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2013-02-14 20:23:49 and read 6720 times.

Quoting joeman (Reply 172):
To bad US didn't treat PIT and AA STL the same way DL does CVG and CO/UA CLE.

Funny you should mention these two, I just remembered that PIT-STL is still flown by US.

BOS, BDL, LGA, RDU and STL were retained, albeit with USEx. It will be interesting to see what happens to these flights post merger. BOS and LGA are probably self-sustaining, and I guess that they must have some nice corporate contracts locked in to justify the other three oddball routes. They've survived this long, so they must be making money in which case I guess AA may as well keep them.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: PanAmPaul
Posted 2013-02-14 21:24:42 and read 6519 times.

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 167):
Do you really think US is going to change overnight and have their standards on par with AA? No, not a chance. That will take years. According to the employee presentation, the premium cabins will be brought up to AA standards. How many years will that take? And apparently no mention of the standards in the back of the plane. That concerns me.

Doug Parker does not currently run a premium airline. I don't think he is in the mindset of making things in Y better. Who knows what the future holds for the J and F cabins. With DP's train of thought, those could be reduced or axed. Hopefully Horton will get DP up to speed on how things should be run.

There is a huge amount of work ahead of them in order to integrate the two airlines. Some of it may sound rather silly at times. I was just reminded by an article on integrating the airlines about the Delta-Northwest "lime" decision. Northwest would slice a lime into 16 pieces but Delta would chop it into 10. Ultimately, after the merger, Delta's standards for limes apparently won out.

How to Integrate an Airline: Addressing the Challenges Faced by American Airlines and US Airways

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: Revelation
Posted 2013-02-14 21:33:44 and read 6523 times.

Quoting IllinoisMan (Reply 135):
And I'm surprised the unions got suckered into voting for this - since the pilots STILL don't have a common contract after all these years and now another set of pilots will have to be integrated into the mix with all their seniority, etc.

US er AA thinks that is all sorted:

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/701345/000119312513057505/g484344page_47.jpg

Of course, one should not underestimate the ability of the pilots to screw things up.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-02-14 22:02:59 and read 6603 times.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 176):
Of course, one should not underestimate the ability of the pilots to screw things up.

This looks like it could be a disaster...
"US aircraft to be flown by US pilots, AA aircraft to be flown by AA pilots."

What about new aircraft, seniority lists, and cross-fleeting? Nothing I see there gives any details on that.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2013-02-14 22:11:58 and read 6562 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 177):
Quoting Revelation (Reply 176):
Of course, one should not underestimate the ability of the pilots to screw things up.

This looks like it could be a disaster...
"US aircraft to be flown by US pilots, AA aircraft to be flown by AA pilots."

What about new aircraft, seniority lists, and cross-fleeting? Nothing I see there gives any details on that.


Read the header above those bullet points.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: flyfree727
Posted 2013-02-14 22:27:23 and read 6530 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 177):
Nothing I see there gives any details on that.

Its less than 24 hrs since the merger was officially ANNOUNCED!

I don't think you ( or us) are included in the "need to know" at this point.


details will emerge and then you can bash them.

However, it looks like the transitional portion (AA flys AA a/c, US flys US a/c) would last for 3 years.. Its 'fencing," which is common.


AA ORD

[Edited 2013-02-14 22:32:19]

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: MrBuzzcut
Posted 2013-02-15 07:39:48 and read 6063 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 178):
This looks like it could be a disaster...
"US aircraft to be flown by US pilots, AA aircraft to be flown by AA pilots."

So in reality, it will be AA flies AA aircraft
-East fly East aircraft
-West fly West aircraft

for up to three years, then they get to fight it out? Pretty much what I was afraid of.
I hope this merger goes well, I really do, but I'm only cautiously optimistic.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: Darksnowynight
Posted 2013-02-15 08:09:18 and read 5966 times.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 176):
Of course, one should not underestimate the ability of the pilots to screw things up.

True, but it does look like a pretty good deal. With the way the industry looks, they'd be foolish to try and torp' this.

Quoting flyfree727 (Reply 179):
details will emerge and then you can bash them.

Damn straight!  

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: EaglePower83
Posted 2013-02-15 08:32:02 and read 5926 times.

Quoting aacun (Reply 146):
One thing that was noted more thatn once. They commented more than once about wether this merger would be like the UA/CO or more like DL/NW. Mr. Parker noted that in the UA/CO just as in the AWA/US merger, the problem was that the smaller carrier ( CO,AWA ) were the carriers that ended up running the new airline, and being it that they were the most succesful airlines of the 2, went ahead and just attempted to institute all of their operational techniques into the much bigger UA/US. He attributed most the problems to that. He noted that would not be the case here. He pointed out that this time unless there was a significant factor that required otherwise, it would be AA tecnology and operations being adapted to US. Also, he mention something about pax. service. IIRC he mentioned that US would be brough up to AA service standards in regards to their premium services. That is encouraging.

THANK YOU THANK YOU!
If this is really the case, then I am very enthusiastic about this merger.
I'm glad Doug was able to notice what did not work at the other big merger, and will steer clear of it.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2013-02-15 13:31:08 and read 5598 times.

Didn't know where else to post this. A number of interesting, clickable-to-expand graphics regarding numbers for the hubs, fleet, and passengers for AA/US vs. the competition is published here:

Meet America's Largest, Brand New Airline

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: Maverick623
Posted 2013-02-15 14:11:55 and read 5465 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 177):

This looks like it could be a disaster...
"US aircraft to be flown by US pilots, AA aircraft to be flown by AA pilots."

What about new aircraft, seniority lists, and cross-fleeting?

No different than what US is doing today with the East and West pilot groups. It won't be an operational disaster, although other types of disasters could happen.

Quoting EaglePower83 (Reply 182):
I'm glad Doug was able to notice what did not work at the other big merger, and will steer clear of it.

  

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: aacun
Posted 2013-02-15 18:23:47 and read 5149 times.

There is already an interim cross interline program in place effective March01 that applies to AA employee travel on US and vice versa. If this is an indication of how fast things will be moving in this merger, then I expect things to move very rapidly here.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: Maverick623
Posted 2013-02-16 11:55:37 and read 4620 times.

Quoting aacun (Reply 185):
There is already an interim cross interline program in place effective March01 that applies to AA employee travel on US and vice versa. If this is an indication of how fast things will be moving in this merger, then I expect things to move very rapidly here.

I believe that it's just a reduced ZED-fare type deal. US has one of the best employee non-rev programs, AA one of the worst in terms of cost to the employee. It'll be interesting to see which one survives.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: brilondon
Posted 2013-02-16 12:56:04 and read 4511 times.

The US seniority list could just be stapled to the bottom of the AA seniority list, ala the TWA merger?   

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: AA767400
Posted 2013-02-16 20:17:32 and read 4223 times.

Quoting brilondon (Reply 187):
The US seniority list could just be stapled to the bottom of the AA seniority list, ala the TWA merger?   

Wishful thinking - but not going to happen.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: PanAmPaul
Posted 2013-02-16 20:41:42 and read 4185 times.

Quoting brilondon (Reply 187):

Given that the circumstances of this merger are very different than the TWA "merger" (where AA bought assets out of BK), it's not really likely to happen. Whereas the TWA people would not have had a job at all had TWA simply closed its doors, and the basis for the bottom of the list was clear to many, that is not the case here.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: Rising
Posted 2013-02-17 10:00:55 and read 3893 times.

One thing US Airways is good at is running a reliable operation. Scott Kirby frequently mentions that nothing is more costly than running a bad operation.

Is AA back on-track as far as on-time performance? Are there incentives in place for employees to meet on-time arrival targets? If not, I hope they roll that out as that was one of US Airways' strengths and I would like to see the new American leading the pack as far as reliability.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: oc2dc
Posted 2013-02-17 10:33:35 and read 3794 times.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 186):
I believe that it's just a reduced ZED-fare type deal. US has one of the best employee non-rev programs, AA one of the worst in terms of cost to the employee. It'll be interesting to see which one survives.

One of the worst in terms of cost to the employee? Where did you hear that? If you work for AA and you flew on AA metal, the cost is minimal to nothing, especially when traveling domestically. When you travel internationally you basically just pay the taxes(This is all for standby of course). I don't see how that is bad?

What sort of non-rev employee travel program does US have? I doubt it differs much from AA.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: nwcoflyer
Posted 2013-02-17 11:03:23 and read 3729 times.

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 191):
One of the worst in terms of cost to the employee? Where did you hear that? If you work for AA and you flew on AA metal, the cost is minimal to nothing, especially when traveling domestically. When you travel internationally you basically just pay the taxes(This is all for standby of course). I don't see how that is bad?

What sort of non-rev employee travel program does US have? I doubt it differs much from AA.

All travel, domestic or international is free on US- regardless of length of service. If Envoy is open it is a 100 dollar upgrade fee for international. Domestic First is 20 dollars. Many times upgrades aren't event charged if its really open. We have fantastic interline agreements. Parents fly unlimited for $25 fee each way plus taxes. Pilots and FA's of course have jumpseat agreements, but US also has local station agreements at many airports that result in free travel on many OAL's. For instance, I fly free on WN, HA, AS, UA and several others because of company policy that allows US to make local agreements that benefit the employee beyond the company wide travel program.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: AA767400
Posted 2013-02-17 11:18:34 and read 3683 times.

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 191):
One of the worst in terms of cost to the employee? Where did you hear that? If you work for AA and you flew on AA metal, the cost is minimal to nothing, especially when traveling domestically. When you travel internationally you basically just pay the taxes(This is all for standby of course). I don't see how that is bad?

What sort of non-rev employee travel program does US have? I doubt it differs much from AA.

I can tell you from experience that DL and US have far less expensive fees for employees compared to AA. AA charges you an arm and a leg for any seat aboard, even coach internationally. While US/DL you just pay the taxes, and if you want to be moved up, there's a slight fee, but nothing like the amounts AA charges.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: Maverick623
Posted 2013-02-17 12:26:21 and read 3543 times.

Quoting nwcoflyer (Reply 192):

All travel, domestic or international is free on US- regardless of length of service. If Envoy is open it is a 100 dollar upgrade fee for international. Domestic First is 20 dollars. Many times upgrades aren't event charged if its really open. We have fantastic interline agreements. Parents fly unlimited for $25 fee each way plus taxes. Pilots and FA's of course have jumpseat agreements, but US also has local station agreements at many airports that result in free travel on many OAL's. For instance, I fly free on SA)">WN, SA)">HA, SA)">AS, SA)">UA and several others because of company policy that allows US to make local agreements that benefit the employee beyond the company wide travel program.

Plus free spouse travel, or, if unmarried, a "registered guest" can take the place of the spouse, although the RG does cost a little bit in taxes (via imputed income, due to IRS regulations). Also, we get 8 buddy passes a year (at reasonable prices) and 8 one-way "vacation" passes that bump the employee up to the highest SA priority.

The only time I've ever spent any money on a ticket is when I fly internationally (taxes) or fly in F/C.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: brilondon
Posted 2013-02-17 12:46:13 and read 3488 times.

Hopefully the integration will go much smoother than the HP/US merger, BTW has that finally be completed?

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-02-17 13:08:22 and read 3445 times.

Quoting brilondon (Reply 195):
Hopefully the integration will go much smoother than the HP/US merger, BTW has that finally be completed?

Last I heard it was still "east and west" but when this merger gets completed, apparently it's all going to be integrated under one system

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: nwcoflyer
Posted 2013-02-17 13:33:50 and read 3401 times.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 194):
Plus free spouse travel, or, if unmarried, a "registered guest" can take the place of the spouse, although the RG does cost a little bit in taxes (via imputed income, due to IRS regulations). Also, we get 8 buddy passes a year (at reasonable prices) and 8 one-way "vacation" passes that bump the employee up to the highest SA priority.

The only time I've ever spent any money on a ticket is when I fly internationally (taxes) or fly in F/C.

Exactly Maverick, we have it pretty good. I am actually sitting in F class right now headed to DCA. And didn't pay anything. It's a pretty good deal we have. And you are right the registered guest is a huge benefit for those of us who are unmarried.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: Revelation
Posted 2013-02-17 13:49:11 and read 3354 times.

Quoting brilondon (Reply 195):
Hopefully the integration will go much smoother than the HP/US merger, BTW has that finally be completed?
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 196):

Last I heard it was still "east and west" but when this merger gets completed, apparently it's all going to be integrated under one system

Yes, it's all sorted, see #174 above.

Basically, everyone is going to get the current AA terms, which is a step up for both US East and West pilots.

A MOU has been signed for weeks now; http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2...aa-us-pilot-union-presidents.html/

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: crj900lr
Posted 2013-02-17 17:44:16 and read 3132 times.

Quoting Rising (Reply 190):
One thing US Airways is good at is running a reliable operation.

Mainline = yes

Express = No, our Express operation is terrible, we will weed out the carriers that are not preforming and have a respectible regional operation for the new American. There are going to be changes coming in the future from what we were told in recent meetings.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: oflanigan
Posted 2013-02-17 18:42:06 and read 3035 times.

Quoting crj900lr (Reply 199):
we will weed out the carriers that are not preforming and have a respectible regional operation for the new American

With that said, what happens to the wholly owned carriers. PSA has CRJ-700's and could easily dump the 200's for more 70 seaters. Piedmont could use modernization which would fill the turboprop gap at the new American.

Does this merger help or hurt the subsidiaries?

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: silentbob
Posted 2013-02-17 19:05:48 and read 2983 times.

Quoting oflanigan (Reply 200):
With that said, what happens to the wholly owned carriers

They all go away within 3 years.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: crj900lr
Posted 2013-02-17 19:21:40 and read 2950 times.

PSA will be there, possibly with more 700's. Piedmont is slowly winding down its flying operation. The Dash-8's are starting to come to the end of their life cycle. I have heard that Piedmont was possibly looking into the ATR aircraft as a replacement but that talk has died off and not much has been made of that lately. Piedmont will more then likely become a ground handling company only and PSA will remain as the wholly owned from the US side that is still flying.

Topic: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2013-02-17 20:50:20 and read 2852 times.

Quoting crj900lr (Reply 202):

This may be the wrong place to ask this, but what will happen to PHL-ISP and the other smaller routes from Philly that have almost completely Piedmont service at the moment?

Topic: RE: US Airways And American Agree To Merger (official)
Username: crj900lr
Posted 2013-02-18 08:12:37 and read 2581 times.

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 203):
This may be the wrong place to ask this, but what will happen to PHL-ISP and the other smaller routes from Philly that have almost completely Piedmont service at the moment?

All the routes will be looked at and the adjustments that need to be made will be. I wouldn't worry about the DASH service to ISP or other cities being cut tomorrow, there is still a decent amount of time left and the adjustments will be made so service continues.


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