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Topic: TN A340 Parked At LAX
Username: azncsa4qf744er
Posted 2013-02-15 03:31:45 and read 12952 times.

I flew out of LAX a few days ago notice three parked Air Tahiti Nui A340-300 parked over at Imperial Terminal. One of the plane's engine is covered. Anybody know why, the one with the engine covered has been parked for a while now.

Topic: RE: TN A340 Parked At LAX
Username: mercure1
Posted 2013-02-15 08:44:19 and read 12438 times.

Too much planes, not enough work. Low utilization as result.

TN has been trying to get rid of an A340 and reduce fleet, but no one wants such aircraft.

They have also tried to offer charters using spare capacity.

Topic: RE: TN A340 Parked At LAX
Username: QANTAS747-438
Posted 2013-02-15 09:59:12 and read 12184 times.

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 1):

Too many planes? Don't they only have 5???

Topic: RE: TN A340 Parked At LAX
Username: AF Cabin Crew
Posted 2013-02-15 10:03:18 and read 12165 times.

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 2):

Too many planes? Don't they only have 5???

Yes they have "only" 5 but a study showed they only need 3.5 planes to do all their work... So they are trying to offload 1 plane from the fleet...

Topic: RE: TN A340 Parked At LAX
Username: mercure1
Posted 2013-02-15 10:43:03 and read 12034 times.

Cutting lines to JFK, KIX, and SYD a few years ago has left TN with too many planes.

They have tried to do things like fly charters (they had 1 plane leased to UK military for extended period), and more recently just fly for Air Calin.

But in last year excess capacity has become more acute as airline reduce frequencies to stem continued loss making.

Used A340 model not very popular so excess aircraft is stuck in fleet still.

Topic: RE: TN A340 Parked At LAX
Username: dcajet
Posted 2013-02-15 14:34:22 and read 10293 times.

Saw one in Buenos Aires/EZE not that long ago - it was operating for Conviasa on its CCS-EZE-CCS service.

Rgds,

Topic: RE: TN A340 Parked At LAX
Username: mercure1
Posted 2013-02-15 15:21:08 and read 9808 times.

TN schedule has been trimmed. For current schedule 3 frames sufficient.

Here is what they have at current time.
PPT - LAX - 8x
PPT - NRT - 2x
PPT - AKL - 2x
LAX - CDG - 3x

If anyone wants a A340 please send proposal.

Topic: RE: TN A340 Parked At LAX
Username: KC135TopBoom
Posted 2013-02-15 15:59:39 and read 9455 times.

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 6):
If anyone wants a A340 please send proposal.

Let me find out how many beer cans can be made from an A-343 first, then I'll think about it.

Topic: RE: TN A340 Parked At LAX
Username: vikkyvik
Posted 2013-02-15 16:44:19 and read 9089 times.

Quoting azncsa4qf744er (Thread starter):
I flew out of LAX a few days ago notice three parked Air Tahiti Nui A340-300 parked over at Imperial Terminal.

In my recent experience, there are always Tahiti Nui A340s parked over there. Sometimes 1, sometimes 2. Can't say I've seen 3 of them at one time, but.....

Topic: RE: TN A340 Parked At LAX
Username: JAGflyer
Posted 2013-02-15 17:39:45 and read 8728 times.

Why did they cut JFK? You'd think they would be able to fill the planes several times weekly with tourists/vacation passengers. NZ does very well flying to the Cook Islands strictly because it's a high-end vacation destination!!

Topic: RE: TN A340 Parked At LAX
Username: mercure1
Posted 2013-02-15 18:36:25 and read 8329 times.

JFK turned out to be a terrible mistake for TN.

Company reported loads merely 30-40% at most times. Even peak periods did not break 60%.

As company discovered, New York is very far away and 12-hour flight very expensive to operate.

They tried for almost 4-years to make it work with various promotions but all it did was create terrible loss, the worst of any company line in history. When they end in 2009 they said it was generating a €5.87m loss in previous year.

Keeping US focus on LAX is best. Most South Pacific demand has natural and historic traffic link to California, not deep America like NY.

Topic: RE: TN A340 Parked At LAX
Username: QANTAS747-438
Posted 2013-02-15 18:41:42 and read 8289 times.

Quoting AF Cabin Crew (Reply 3):
Yes they have "only" 5 but a study showed they only need 3.5 planes to do all their work... So they are trying to offload 1 plane from the fleet...

Wow, I had no idea.

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 4):
Cutting lines to JFK, KIX, and SYD a few years ago has left TN with too many planes.
Quoting mercure1 (Reply 6):
TN schedule has been trimmed. For current schedule 3 frames sufficient.

I also didn't know KIX and SYD were cut. With most routes only operating twice a week, I can see how only 3 planes are needed. Sad.

Topic: RE: TN A340 Parked At LAX
Username: Polot
Posted 2013-02-15 18:42:02 and read 8289 times.

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 9):
Why did they cut JFK? You'd think they would be able to fill the planes several times weekly with tourists/vacation passengers. NZ does very well flying to the Cook Islands strictly because it's a high-end vacation destination!!

The Cook Islands are also about 4-5 hours away from New Zealand (and usually operated with an A320). Not ~12 hours away on a 300 seat jet. That is way too far/expensive for most Americans with limited vacation time when there are other choices much closer.

[Edited 2013-02-15 18:44:08]

Topic: RE: TN A340 Parked At LAX
Username: koruman
Posted 2013-02-15 19:29:21 and read 7956 times.

Is there a reason why TN doesn't try PPT-HNL and PPT-SFO.?

Also, how about a codeshared service to Sao Paulo in association with TAM and Air NZ?

Topic: RE: TN A340 Parked At LAX
Username: B777A340Fan
Posted 2013-02-15 19:38:38 and read 7866 times.

Why not add other flights? I can see SIN, PEK, SFO being strong contenders.

Topic: RE: TN A340 Parked At LAX
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-02-15 19:43:51 and read 7822 times.

Let's not forget that one of the routes TN flies is a continuation from one route. Also, some routing are like NRT-PPT-AKL (after a layover in PPT and flight number change)

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7):
Quoting mercure1 (Reply 6):
If anyone wants a A340 please send proposal.

Let me find out how many beer cans can be made from an A-343 first, then I'll think about it.

   If i had the money, i'd buy it, re-engine it, certify it, and use it as my own private jet.

Topic: RE: TN A340 Parked At LAX
Username: mercure1
Posted 2013-02-15 20:29:04 and read 7500 times.

Quoting koruman (Reply 13):
Is there a reason why TN doesn't try PPT-HNL and PPT-SFO.?

SFO has been tried many times - UTA, Minerve, Corsair. Seems unsuccessful in favor of mega LAX demand.

Hawaii - well HA seems to be stuck at single frequency here for 10+ years now. I dont think there is much traffic to warrant also TN A340. FP government even talked about Aloha here with 737 many years ago but nothing happen.

Quoting B777A340Fan (Reply 14):
Why not add other flights? I can see SIN, PEK, SFO being strong contenders.

Dont think Singapore.

But China eventually but market is still baby.
Tahiti opened tourism office in Shanghai couple years ago. There was talk of offering charter flights maybe but nothing happen. Also remember China is very far from French Polynesia is almost 11,000km, PEK almost 12,000km. Flights of 13hr in duration.


But now not time to open expensive/risky new lines. Company barely stay alive, and need to reduce loss on exisiting smaller network in face of reduced demand.

Topic: RE: TN A340 Parked At LAX
Username: ZK-NBT
Posted 2013-02-15 20:57:14 and read 7314 times.

Quoting Polot (Reply 12):
The Cook Islands are also about 4-5 hours away from New Zealand (and usually operated with an A320). Not ~12 hours away on a 300 seat jet.

NZ still flies a weekly RAR-LAX non stop with a 763.

Quoting Polot (Reply 12):
NZ does very well flying to the Cook Islands strictly because it's a high-end vacation destination!!

I'm not convinced that it does very well. The goverment make up the losses with subsides. But it is the cooks only direct US link by air atleast.

Topic: RE: TN A340 Parked At LAX
Username: QANTAS747-438
Posted 2013-02-16 01:42:05 and read 5685 times.

Would TN have benefited from getting 777s vs A340s?

From the fake airliner site:

Topic: RE: TN A340 Parked At LAX
Username: koruman
Posted 2013-02-16 03:37:46 and read 4940 times.

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 18):

Would TN have benefited from getting 777s vs A340s?

No.

They got the tax advantages for buying a French product.

Topic: RE: TN A340 Parked At LAX
Username: na
Posted 2013-02-16 03:44:53 and read 4896 times.

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 18):
Would TN have benefited from getting 777s vs A340s?

A half empty 777 is as bad as a half empty A340, so a definite no. Its not the plane type, its the schedule and route structure. Tahiti and its neighbour islands are expensive places to spend a holiday and therefore dont attract huge crowds.

Topic: RE: TN A340 Parked At LAX
Username: mjoelnir
Posted 2013-02-16 03:53:12 and read 4871 times.

They should phone the guys having all the B 787 grounded.    

Topic: RE: TN A340 Parked At LAX
Username: petertenthije
Posted 2013-02-16 04:04:21 and read 4838 times.

Isn't Surinam Airways still in the market for a second A340?

Topic: RE: TN A340 Parked At LAX
Username: Darksnowynight
Posted 2013-02-16 04:08:09 and read 4833 times.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 8):

In my recent experience, there are always Tahiti Nui A340s parked over there. Sometimes 1, sometimes 2. Can't say I've seen 3 of them at one time, but.....

I think 4 is the most I've ever seen there, with one at the gate, one at Imperial & two at Remote West.

Topic: RE: TN A340 Parked At LAX
Username: jfk777
Posted 2013-02-16 04:31:03 and read 4793 times.

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 18):
Would TN have benefited from getting 777s vs A340s

They probably got cheap financing from Airbus or the French Gocernment since they are a French Territory.

Topic: RE: TN A340 Parked At LAX
Username: dcajet
Posted 2013-02-16 12:58:03 and read 4666 times.

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 6):
If anyone wants a A340 please send proposal

They should get in contact with AR!

On a related note, AR just renewed the lease of A340-312 LV-CEK with AWAS.

Topic: RE: TN A340 Parked At LAX
Username: trex8
Posted 2013-02-16 17:09:24 and read 3025 times.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 24):
They probably got cheap financing from Airbus or the French Gocernment since they are a French Territory.

And they probably didn't want to deal with etops issues.

Topic: RE: TN A340 Parked At LAX
Username: azncsa4qf744er
Posted 2013-02-18 23:41:24 and read 2535 times.

Flew out again today and still saw one A340 parked by Qantas Freight terminal with its engine covered. Any info on this particular bird?

Topic: RE: TN A340 Parked At LAX
Username: Darksnowynight
Posted 2013-02-19 00:01:10 and read 2464 times.

Quoting azncsa4qf744er (Reply 27):

Not a lot of detailed info, but I know the engines are always covered if they're going to be on the ground more than a day or so. My guess is that it's just waiting for its rotation to come up. Likely there was also one over on westside too. Seems like there's one there more often than not.

I'll be there tomorrow night; maybe we can get some real info on it.

Topic: RE: TN A340 Parked At LAX
Username: TC957
Posted 2013-02-19 02:06:57 and read 2366 times.

Could a service to ICN not work for TN ? Maybe twice-weekly like NRT. Good point about trying to see if airlines with grounded 787's might need extra lift. I suspect Thomson are looking at leasing some long-haul planes now for the UK summer season.

Topic: RE: TN A340 Parked At LAX
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2013-02-19 13:41:24 and read 2076 times.

I'm not sure what additional info you would like?

As others mentioned TN has been parking spare capacity for periods at LAX now for many months.

If you want to the tail - the one on the Imperial ramp today its F-OSUN, but this does change as planes are swapped around. For example F-OJGF sat around all last week departing Sunday.


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