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Topic: Las Vegas Sands Fleet.
Username: TC957
Posted 2013-02-18 23:59:54 and read 16079 times.

Hi all....One a recent spotting trip to HKG last week, it was great to see the 747SP from Las Vegas Sands there and departing one day, with their 767 arriving later the same day. But next day I was amazed to see their 737 landing there. Presumably both the SP and the 767 can do HKG - LAS haul direct ( the SP did have a very long take-off run ) but what routing would the 737 take on this trip ?
Also - are their two TriStar-500's still in operation ? I know one was caught up in the DMK floods last year.
Some other LAS - based BBJ's and G550's were also there during my visit.
It begs the question that with such clear high-end demand, no airline currently sees the opportunity to try a HKG - LAS scheduled flight, although I recall there was on in the past.
Appreciate it was Chinese New Year holiday during my visit, so don't know if Sands and the like had extra flights in.

Topic: RE: Las Vegas Sands Fleet.
Username: BreninTW
Posted 2013-02-19 00:35:50 and read 16004 times.

There's a big difference between scheduled flights and the type of flights that Sands is offering. The (I guess mainly) Chinese high-rollers who are on those flights are EXTREMELY high rollers and the Sands flights cater to probably their every whim. It makes sense for Sands to run a fleet of private jets on which they can offer freedoms that are simply not available on commercial flights.

The flights are not profit-making for Sands ... they do, however, enable the Sands group to make astounding profits from the gambling.

A commercial carrier offering LAS - HKG flights wouldn't get the high-rolling gamblers (who wouldn't dream of being seen taking commercial flights), and would have to make do with the pretty standard tourist groups. It would be a loss-making venture in all likelihood.

Topic: RE: Las Vegas Sands Fleet.
Username: vegas005
Posted 2013-02-19 01:03:30 and read 15929 times.

Las Vegas Sands owns properties in Singapore and Macau, China. The airplanes serve these destinations, as well as Las Vegas.

Topic: RE: Las Vegas Sands Fleet.
Username: GCT64
Posted 2013-02-19 01:23:08 and read 15861 times.

The Las Vegas Sands 733s operate to places like SIN, HKG, PEK, SZB, CAN - if you look in the photo database (N788LS, N789LS), you can see they spend their time shuttling around Asia.

Topic: RE: Las Vegas Sands Fleet.
Username: blueflyer
Posted 2013-02-19 01:47:52 and read 15799 times.

I think the Tristar fleet is done for. The aircraft in DMK damaged beyond its economical value, even for Sands, and the other is already parked.

I've seen a Sands BBJ in ANC once, although I don't know whether it was the end of a flight or a refueling stop.

Sands' fleet is also frequently used by executives and entertainers shuttling between LAS and their Asian properties. Next time you see a 747, it may not be a rich Asian onboard but Sheldon Adelson.

Quoting TC957 (Thread starter):
It begs the question that with such clear high-end demand, no airline currently sees the opportunity to try a HKG - LAS scheduled flight, although I recall there was on in the past.

There's no premium cabin high-demand for a scheduled flight from HKG to LAS, any Chinese passenger sitting upfront will be viewed very suspiciously, to say the least, and may figure prominently in the next Chinese government make-believe campaign against official corruption and embezzlement.

Likewise, Emirates could probably fill up the premium seats on a DXB-LAS several times a week but that's not going to happen either, even though UAE investors have a lot of money invested in Las Vegas properties.

Quoting TC957 (Thread starter):
Appreciate it was Chinese New Year holiday during my visit, so don't know if Sands and the like had extra flights in.

They carry whales both ways. Sands' planes, as well as Wynn's and MGM's, brought in wealthy US-based Asian gamblers "home" for the celebrations.

Topic: RE: Las Vegas Sands Fleet.
Username: MWHCVT
Posted 2013-02-19 03:12:55 and read 15618 times.

So what does the Sands Fleet consist of these days? how many and of what types do they operate?

Topic: RE: Las Vegas Sands Fleet.
Username: United_fan
Posted 2013-02-19 04:53:34 and read 15355 times.

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 4):
I think the Tristar fleet is done for. The aircraft in DMK damaged beyond its economical value, even for Sands, and the other is already parked.

That would be a shame,though not unheard of .

Topic: RE: Las Vegas Sands Fleet.
Username: JohnClipper
Posted 2013-02-19 07:10:50 and read 15022 times.

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 4):
There's no premium cabin high-demand for a scheduled flight from HKG to LAS, any Chinese passenger sitting upfront will be viewed very suspiciously, to say the least, and may figure prominently in the next Chinese government make-believe campaign against official corruption and embezzlement.

Hong Kong is a free captialistic society...

Topic: RE: Las Vegas Sands Fleet.
Username: F9animal
Posted 2013-02-19 07:41:32 and read 14891 times.

Are these planes luxurious inside? Any photos of the interiors of these planes?

Topic: RE: Las Vegas Sands Fleet.
Username: g500
Posted 2013-02-19 07:49:28 and read 14841 times.

I heard this company was looking at a 777BBJ. Who knows whatever came of that

Topic: RE: Las Vegas Sands Fleet.
Username: dsuairptman
Posted 2013-02-19 14:00:31 and read 11215 times.

The 747SP is Sands Corp owner Sheldon Adelson's personal jet. Rumors have been going around they are looking to acquire an A340 to take over that role.

Topic: RE: Las Vegas Sands Fleet.
Username: cschleic
Posted 2013-02-19 15:44:58 and read 9973 times.

Plantespotters.net shows this, although could be different....

http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/Las-Vegas-Sands-Corporation

Quoting dsuairptman (Reply 10):
Rumors have been going around they are looking to acquire an A340 to take over that role.

Shouldn't be too hard to find someone wanting to sell one of those cheap. Does Adelson require a four engine plane?

Topic: RE: Las Vegas Sands Fleet.
Username: g38
Posted 2013-02-19 16:56:45 and read 9181 times.

Quoting cschleic (Reply 11):
Plantespotters.net shows this, although could be different....

Ok, well according to that they still have one of the two (I never knew they had more than one) L-1011 operational.

These are their two L-1011s, and neither one looks like its going anywhere anytime soon. So which is supposedly sill operational, and whats the likelihood of seeing N389LS in the beautiful blue an white?


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Topic: RE: Las Vegas Sands Fleet.
Username: TrnsWrld
Posted 2013-02-19 17:19:00 and read 8942 times.

Im not claiming to know even the slightest about what is involved in getting an airplane flying again, or when one gets a little water damage, but I fail to see how some flood water submerging the landing gear and the lower engine cowlings would damage an aircraft beyond economical repair? Unless they were planning on getting rid of that plane anyway and this just gave them a better reason to do it right away I dont know. I dont know for sure but I highly doubt the water got as high as the fuselage or anywhere near it. From one picture I saw the landing gear tires and just a very small portion of the very bottom of the engine cowlings was submerged. Does anyone know exactly what the deal was with this? The plane looks amazing in that picture above, its too bad they arent still operating it.
Does anyone know the story about the white DC9/MD80 sitting next to the sands L1011 in the picture above is all about? Now that plane looks like it sat under water. What ashame 

Topic: RE: Las Vegas Sands Fleet.
Username: NASBWI
Posted 2013-02-19 18:13:06 and read 8388 times.

Quoting TrnsWrld (Reply 13):
but I fail to see how some flood water submerging the landing gear and the lower engine cowlings would damage an aircraft beyond economical repair?
Quoting TrnsWrld (Reply 13):
I dont know for sure but I highly doubt the water got as high as the fuselage or anywhere near it. From one picture I saw the landing gear tires and just a very small portion of the very bottom of the engine cowlings was submerged.

You're right; the damage may not have been as severe as a "write-off" would suggest, but one has to also look at other factors. Just like a car, an aircraft depreciates over time, and L10-11's are not only old, but they are few and far-between, which means demand for them is far lower than that of a new aircraft (for which parts are more readily-accessible). So, if you have a 1979 Honda Civic that needs new brakes, the insurance company may tell you that new brakes for that car are more expensive than the car is worth (never mind that it runs perfectly). The same can be applied to an aircraft: perhaps the damage done by the flood (although seemingly minor) may have cost more to repair than the aircraft itself was worth.

In a nutshell: could the aircraft have been repaired? Most likely. Was it financially worth it? Probably not. After all, getting replacement RR engines for that jet would have been anything but cheap. And that's just the engines  wink 

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Topic: RE: Las Vegas Sands Fleet.
Username: TrnsWrld
Posted 2013-02-19 18:41:23 and read 8018 times.

Thanks for the information that makes perfect sense. From an aviation enthusiast standpoint it hurts to see such a beautiful aircraft like that never fly again. That would be one cool airplane to put in a museum especially in the amazing condition its in.

[Edited 2013-02-19 18:44:34]

Topic: RE: Las Vegas Sands Fleet.
Username: dsuairptman
Posted 2013-02-19 18:54:48 and read 7869 times.

Quoting cschleic (Reply 11):

They are looking at price and something with the range to go N/S from LAS-HKG.

Topic: RE: Las Vegas Sands Fleet.
Username: Av8rDAL
Posted 2013-02-19 19:18:41 and read 7549 times.

Quoting NASBWI (Reply 14):

In a nutshell: could the aircraft have been repaired? Most likely. Was it financially worth it? Probably not.

As an investor in LVS stock, I support this logic as a good business decision. I loved the -1011 when it was with Delta, TWA, etc. but the economics need to make some sense, and there are much more efficient means of shuttling high-rollers around.

Most of them, probably the lot of them, don't give a hoot whether it's a -1011 or BBJ taking them from LAS to HKG. To them, it's just another comp.

Topic: RE: Las Vegas Sands Fleet.
Username: crownvic
Posted 2013-02-19 19:50:48 and read 7215 times.

A few things to add...One of the 74L's is under major overhaul and repaint in San Bernardino, so good news for SP fans. They just acquired a "new" BBJ from a former African country with low time. That too is being overhauled in San Bernardino. For the record, none of their current fleet makes HKG/Macau nonstop from LAS. On occasion, the 74L can make it, but usually stops in Taipei or ANC. They have been going back and forth with a Middle East country over the possible acquisition of a Head of State 744, but this deal is not concluded yet. Prior rumors of an MD11 or A340 purchase, appear to be dead now.

Topic: RE: Las Vegas Sands Fleet.
Username: blueflyer
Posted 2013-02-19 21:08:53 and read 6514 times.

Quoting g38 (Reply 12):
Ok, well according to that they still have one of the two (I never knew they had more than one) L-1011 operational.

As long as someone pays for the FAA registration and no one tells flightspotter (or whoever they secure their data from) otherwise, the plane will remain listed as operational even if it hasn't moved an inch in 10 years.

Quoting NASBWI (Reply 14):
So, if you have a 1979 Honda Civic that needs new brakes, the insurance company may tell you that new brakes for that car are more expensive than the car is worth (never mind that it runs perfectly).

Add to this good car analogy that in this fantasy world, there are no tow trucks, so on top of the parts and labor, you have to cover the cost of bringing the parts, the tools and mechanics still trained on the 1979 model to the car, not vice versa.

Topic: RE: Las Vegas Sands Fleet.
Username: NorthstarBoy
Posted 2013-02-19 21:28:28 and read 6333 times.

vis-a-vis the L1011s, how hard would it be to just replace the L1011-500s RB211-524s with the more powerful RB211-535s, for which RR would assumably still make parts since there are alot of those engines mounted to the wings of 757s out there.

Topic: RE: Las Vegas Sands Fleet.
Username: ATA L1011
Posted 2013-02-20 12:24:41 and read 4756 times.

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 20):
vis-a-vis the L1011s, how hard would it be to just replace the L1011-500s RB211-524s with the more powerful RB211-535s, for which RR would assumably still make parts since there are alot of those engines mounted to the wings of 757s out there.

The 535 is a different application and size and it does not produce the thrust of a 524, 524s produce up to 7 to 10K or more of thrust per engine depending on the 524 variant. 747-200/300's and some SP's used a similiar version of the 524 to Tristars.

[Edited 2013-02-20 12:29:17]


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