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Topic: Singapore To Get 4th Terminal - Boost Capacity
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2013-02-08 06:20:46 and read 7474 times.

Singapore's Changi Airport, plans to boost passenger handling capacity by around 25 percent with approval to construct a fourth terminal that will cost an estimated USD $1.03 billion.

Construction of Terminal 4 which would be designed with the flexibility to meet the operational needs of both regional full-service and low-cost carriers will begin this year with completion expected in 2017.

In addition to new T4 airport also plans to undertake airfield work to increase the number of aircraft parking stands, ancillary support buildings and roadway improvements.

The planned 160,000 sq m terminal will be able to handle 16 million passengers a year, raising Changi's handling capacity to 82 million a year.
Changi in 2012 handled a record 51 million passengers, a 10 percent jump over 2011.


Story:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/singap...ion-dollar-terminal-080338800.html
and
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...-terminal/articleshow/18401677.cms

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Topic: RE: Singapore To Get 4th Terminal - Boost Capacity
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-02-08 06:41:31 and read 7401 times.

Runway capacity?
82 million pax/year is possibly with two runways at a 24/7 airport, but would be easier if there were 3 runways. Has SIN planned a 3rd runway?

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Singapore To Get 4th Terminal - Boost Capacity
Username: AngMoh
Posted 2013-02-08 06:59:38 and read 7326 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 1):
Runway capacity?
82 million pax/year is possibly with two runways at a 24/7 airport, but would be easier if there were 3 runways. Has SIN planned a 3rd runway?

Lightsaber

A third runway exists but is not connected to the airport. At the moment it is only used for the airshow and airforce exercises, but they will link it in to the airport infrastructure sooner or later.

http://maps.google.com.sg/?ll=1.3460...483&spn=0.033593,0.060382&t=h&z=15

Topic: RE: Singapore To Get 4th Terminal - Boost Capacity
Username: neutrino
Posted 2013-02-08 07:08:54 and read 7295 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 1):
Has SIN planned a 3rd runway?


Actually Changi have three runways. However, the third is currently used exclusively by the military; with plans to extend and convert it for dual use in the future.

Topic: RE: Singapore To Get 4th Terminal - Boost Capacity
Username: infinit
Posted 2013-02-08 16:43:53 and read 6771 times.

Yeap. They might even start integrating and using the third runway before T4 is up

Currently the three terminals are connected in a U-shape complex with T1 in the middle and the other two flanking it. I think I know where T4 is being built. I just hope it is connected to at least one of the other three terminals by a high speed Skytrain service. The Changi Airport Group must never compromise on the ease of navigation between terminals but I'm sure they've thought about that, they are very well planned.

On a related note, SQ should do something about that silly split-operation they run. Regional South Asian and Middle Eastern SQ flights fly out of T2 and all other flights out of T3. MI is in T2 as well. Also, if the group wants to pair SQ and MI together, TR and TZ together, the two groups should each be in the same terminal to aid connections.

No idea if SQ has anything planned with T4 yet but based on the current three-terminal setup at Changi, why doesn't SQ and MI move all their operations to T3? I reckon their combined force would take up 70% of the terminal. The remaining space could be used by other Star A carriers like LH and OZ. Or even if SQ+MI would take up an entire terminal, there's nothing wrong with that, they still make up more that half of CAG's business!

Topic: RE: Singapore To Get 4th Terminal - Boost Capacity
Username: jsnww81
Posted 2013-02-08 21:05:23 and read 6457 times.

Are there any renderings/diagrams of T4? Curious if it will be up to the same standard of the other three Changi terminals or if it will keep the same spirit of the now-demolished Budget Terminal. Will it be connected to the Skytrain?

Topic: RE: Singapore To Get 4th Terminal - Boost Capacity
Username: ycp81
Posted 2013-02-08 21:22:10 and read 6420 times.

No skytrains planned, but T4 would be connected to the other terminals via shuttles buses, both airside and landside.

Topic: RE: Singapore To Get 4th Terminal - Boost Capacity
Username: SYDSpotter
Posted 2013-02-09 00:13:47 and read 6176 times.

Quoting infinit (Reply 4):
On a related note, SQ should do something about that silly split-operation they run. Regional South Asian and Middle Eastern SQ flights fly out of T2 and all other flights out of T3.

What was the reasoning for splitting their ops anyway? Seems strange to force your own passengers to switch terminals when other non-alliance airlines using T3.

Topic: RE: Singapore To Get 4th Terminal - Boost Capacity
Username: 9vswr
Posted 2013-02-09 00:50:23 and read 6101 times.

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 7):

I believe that back in 2008 when Terminal 3 commenced operations, CAG feared that had SQ moved its entire operation to Terminal 3, Terminal 2 would have effectively become a ghost town.

While this is probably not the case at present with much of Changi's new traffic operating out of Terminal 2 in addition to the transfer of airlines from the Budget Terminal to Terminal 2, SQ and MI have far too much invested in Terminal 2 to pull out entirely for now.

Topic: RE: Singapore To Get 4th Terminal - Boost Capacity
Username: fraspotter
Posted 2013-02-09 04:25:19 and read 5234 times.

Quoting AngMoh (Reply 2):
A third runway exists but is not connected to the airport. At the moment it is only used for the airshow and airforce exercises, but they will link it in to the airport infrastructure sooner or later.

http://maps.google.com.sg/?ll=1.3460...&z=15

Coming from an outsider who has never been to SIN this may be just a bunch of hot air but by strictly looking at the Google Earth image, it would make sense to build the 4th terminal in the expanse of land between 2C of SIN and 2R of the airforces runway (especially if they plan on incorporating 2R into airport operations at some point in the future. T4 would than be surrounded and have access to both runways. Though of course this is just an observation. It's never that simple...

Topic: RE: Singapore To Get 4th Terminal - Boost Capacity
Username: CXfirst
Posted 2013-02-09 04:40:49 and read 5145 times.

Quoting fraspotter (Reply 9):
Coming from an outsider who has never been to SIN this may be just a bunch of hot air but by strictly looking at the Google Earth image, it would make sense to build the 4th terminal in the expanse of land between 2C of SIN and 2R of the airforces runway

If I'm not mistaken. T4 will be situated where the budget terminal (which is being demolished) is. So, that is south of T2, with the taxiway between the two terminals. This seems to me like a logical place (of course you had to know the budget terminal was being removed). It is situated next to the main airport road already, and in the general area (no driving to main airport area and then needing to rush due to misunderstanding of which terminal you had to go ot).

However, I am a bit disappointed that there will be a shuttle bus rather than skytrain. To me, the skytrain is one of the factors that makes Changi great. Busses to me give the sensation of being a product of bad planning (everybody seems to hate busses), while the skytrain you know was planned from the get go, and feels more reliable. Hopefully, T4 will be filled by airlines that have little cross transfer passengers, wouldn't want airport perception to fall due to lots of passengers being bussed.

-CXfirst

Topic: RE: Singapore To Get 4th Terminal - Boost Capacity
Username: a320fan
Posted 2013-02-09 04:49:31 and read 5100 times.

Quoting infinit (Reply 4):
On a related note, SQ should do something about that silly split-operation they run. Regional South Asian and Middle Eastern SQ flights fly out of T2 and all other flights out of T3. MI is in T2 as well. Also, if the group wants to pair SQ and MI together, TR and TZ together, the two groups should each be in the same terminal to aid connections.

To be fair to SQ and Changi Airport, Connecting between flights in the 2 terminals is really quick and easy, Taking about 5 minutes on the sky-train.

Topic: RE: Singapore To Get 4th Terminal - Boost Capacity
Username: EPA001
Posted 2013-02-09 05:02:57 and read 5024 times.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 10):
However, I am a bit disappointed that there will be a shuttle bus rather than skytrain.

I have not read that in the news reports. Did I miss something here? It would only be logical to connect all the terminals by skytrain.

Changi is really one of my favorite airports in the world. Every time when I have been there, the experience was great.  

Topic: RE: Singapore To Get 4th Terminal - Boost Capacity
Username: airbazar
Posted 2013-02-09 05:56:12 and read 4741 times.

Quoting fraspotter (Reply 9):
Coming from an outsider who has never been to SIN this may be just a bunch of hot air but by strictly looking at the Google Earth image, it would make sense to build the 4th terminal in the expanse of land between 2C of SIN and 2R of the airforces runway

That space is reserved for the 4th runway. Yes, they do think that far ahead in Singapore.

Topic: RE: Singapore To Get 4th Terminal - Boost Capacity
Username: AngMoh
Posted 2013-02-09 06:07:02 and read 4682 times.

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 12):

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 10):
However, I am a bit disappointed that there will be a shuttle bus rather than skytrain.

I have not read that in the news reports. Did I miss something here? It would only be logical to connect all the terminals by skytrain.

I thought it was going to be a sky train? At least one of the big improvements going from the Budget Terminal to T4 is the ability to transfer, and as far as I remember it is going to be a sky train.

Topic: RE: Singapore To Get 4th Terminal - Boost Capacity
Username: CXfirst
Posted 2013-02-09 06:20:59 and read 4614 times.

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 12):
I have not read that in the news reports. Did I miss something here? It would only be logical to connect all the terminals by skytrain.

I was going by the following, and was commenting more on the situation "if there is no skytrain".

Quoting ycp81 (Reply 6):

No skytrains planned, but T4 would be connected to the other terminals via shuttles buses, both airside and landside.

-CXfirst

Topic: RE: Singapore To Get 4th Terminal - Boost Capacity
Username: fraspotter
Posted 2013-02-09 07:43:58 and read 4454 times.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 13):
That space is reserved for the 4th runway. Yes, they do think that far ahead in Singapore.

All that land for a runway? Seems like a waste to me...

Topic: RE: Singapore To Get 4th Terminal - Boost Capacity
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-02-09 07:51:06 and read 4436 times.

Quoting AngMoh (Reply 2):
A third runway exists but is not connected to the airport. At the moment it is only used for the airshow and airforce exercises, but they will link it in to the airport infrastructure sooner or later.

The part I didn't know was 'dual use.' I had written off that runway as pure military.

But if its going dual use, that means decent growth. Looking at that map, it might be possible to build a 4th runway about 1km east of the runway noted. So either accommodating the Singapore military or further expansion of SIN.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 13):
That space is reserved for the 4th runway. Yes, they do think that far ahead in Singapore.

Ok... Not where I would put the runway. Do you have a link? It could work, but I'm thinking dual use military/civilian.
I'm happy to hear they're thinking that far ahead. For when SIN saturates, so will the Singapore economy.


Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Singapore To Get 4th Terminal - Boost Capacity
Username: neutrino
Posted 2013-02-09 08:19:14 and read 4398 times.

Quoting AngMoh (Reply 14):
I thought it was going to be a sky train? At least one of the big improvements going from the Budget Terminal to T4 is the ability to transfer, and as far as I remember it is going to be a sky train.

Nope, as per current planning, its going to be shuttle buses on both air and land sides. Maybe they will change their mind...one could hope.

Topic: RE: Singapore To Get 4th Terminal - Boost Capacity
Username: huaiwei
Posted 2013-02-09 08:31:48 and read 4377 times.

Quoting AngMoh (Reply 14):
I thought it was going to be a sky train? At least one of the big improvements going from the Budget Terminal to T4 is the ability to transfer, and as far as I remember it is going to be a sky train.

There will be no skytrain, but with airside and landside buses as mentioned by another post, and also confirmed in today's papers. Do note that Terminal 4 is basically still a souped-up budget terminal. The report even mentioned aerobridges, although I do not recall seeing this mentioned when they first announced T4's designs.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 13):

That space is reserved for the 4th runway. Yes, they do think that far ahead in Singapore.

Not just a runway.

That space is reserved for the next phase in airport expansion, which will include a second control tower plus passenger terminal buildings. The number of terminals is still being worked out, but there is space to practically replicate the entire existing airport there, which means pushing total potential capacity way beyond 150 million per year.

Plans are also mooted for a fourth runway, but the exact placement has yet to be determined. Early plans showed two runways next to each other while the PTBs take up the space between the existing and new runways. But that can change.

It is unlikely that they will build further east, as most of the space has been reserved for military use.

[Edited 2013-02-09 08:32:44]

Topic: RE: Singapore To Get 4th Terminal - Boost Capacity
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-02-09 15:16:46 and read 4106 times.

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Singapore's Changi Airport, plans to boost passenger handling capacity by around 25 percent with approval to construct a fourth terminal that will cost an estimated USD $1.03 billion.

Would seem the estimated cost's to build T4 has gone up & split with $680 million allocated for other airfield works...

SINGAPORE: Construction of Changi Airport's Terminal 4 (T4) is expected to begin soon, with a total estimated budget of S$1.28 billion.

S$600 million is set aside for the construction of a two-storey building at the old Budget Terminal site. It will have a gross floor area of about 160,000 square metres.

The remaining S$680 million will be for the construction of additional parking stands, supporting airfield infrastructure, security requirements, specialised airport systems, ancillary buildings and road and drainage works.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stori...porelocalnews/view/1253058/1/.html

Plus more details being discussed here http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=539679&page=33

EK413

[Edited 2013-02-09 15:30:07]

Topic: RE: Singapore To Get 4th Terminal - Boost Capacity
Username: infinit
Posted 2013-02-09 19:35:46 and read 3856 times.

Quoting ycp81 (Reply 6):
No skytrains planned, but T4 would be connected to the other terminals via shuttles buses, both airside and landside.

good lord.. what on earth are the guys at CAG thinking? That would be horrid. And looking at the replies here, everyone seems to think this way too. I would have expected nothing less than a high speed Skytrain, underground or otherwise, at least connecting T4 to T1. Passengers here to transit are the core of Changi's business and they've done a great job so far.. To get them to get onto buses is simply unthinkable and is going to deteriorate the transit experience significantly.

Topic: RE: Singapore To Get 4th Terminal - Boost Capacity
Username: DocGATTACA
Posted 2013-02-09 20:08:07 and read 3810 times.

Quoting AngMoh (Reply 14):
I thought it was going to be a sky train? At least one of the big improvements going from the Budget Terminal to T4 is the ability to transfer, and as far as I remember it is going to be a sky train.

That was my understanding also.

Topic: RE: Singapore To Get 4th Terminal - Boost Capacity
Username: timpdx
Posted 2013-02-09 20:25:07 and read 3781 times.

I just flew in and out of SIN some 6 times during the holidays, and it never, ever felt crowded, even at an A380 gate at boarding (I wish I could partake, still have not flown the type, I was on a lowly 777). The whole place seemed to run well and nothing outside of the MRT triains into city center seemed like it was anywhere near capacity.

Topic: RE: Singapore To Get 4th Terminal - Boost Capacity
Username: MillwallSean
Posted 2013-02-09 22:35:42 and read 3672 times.

SIN is never even close to capacity. Even after closing the budget terminal and moving Tiger, cebu etc to the normal terminals its very very quiet during certain times.
I guess the fourth terminal will be a lowcost shed yet again then, just added some more shopping. Sad.
I would never ever even dream of using the old budget terminal and if terminal 4 will be like that it off limits for me again. I guess the normal cebu pacific and tiger customers dont care so much but I see its as a bad move. Making budget and lowcost airlines stay at bad terminals reduces tourism and the willingness to spend money at the airport.
(Coming from someone still crying that harrys outside bar at terminal 1 with its 5 dollar beer isnt there anymore and instead its a generic bar with 15 dollars beer...)

The thing with Changi is that they must be a much more pleasant experience not to loose out to the others connection points. I dont understand why they dont integrate their new terminal when they have such geographic location. Especially in lieu of whats being built at SE Asias lowcost hub KUL for Air Asia...

Topic: RE: Singapore To Get 4th Terminal - Boost Capacity
Username: CXfirst
Posted 2013-02-10 00:07:57 and read 3760 times.

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 24):
I would never ever even dream of using the old budget terminal and if terminal 4 will be like that it off limits for me again. I guess the normal cebu pacific and tiger customers dont care so much but I see its as a bad move. Making budget and lowcost airlines stay at bad terminals reduces tourism and the willingness to spend money at the airport.

Well, the reason they are demolishing the old lowcost terminal is exactly because of this. They felt it was sub-par, too small, and had a negative feel. The new terminal, which as I understand will still cater for low-cost airlines, will still have aerobridges, and probably be better than most terminals around the world. There are only a few places where management would tear down a new building (which of course cost some money) because it was subpar, and build a completely new terminal. Most places would just spend money to improve the old building, and would never get a perfect result because of that.

I do believe T4 will be nice, maybe not T3 nice, but still pretty good, however, I do believe it is a mistake to not extend the skytrain to T4 (if that is the case).

-CXfirst

Topic: RE: Singapore To Get 4th Terminal - Boost Capacity
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-02-10 00:24:48 and read 3745 times.

I believe T4 will cater for the low cost sector and there are plans to build anther terminal in the future to cater for full fare carriers... Don't quote me but I've read on other forums...

EK413

Topic: RE: Singapore To Get 4th Terminal - Boost Capacity
Username: aviasian
Posted 2013-02-10 04:57:18 and read 3576 times.

For those expecting yet another tin-shed ... it is not likely to happen.

The press release clearly stated that Terminal 4 will have the look and feel of Terminals 1 and 2. And it is not only for low cost carriers ... it will also be used by regional carriers with narrow body aircraft.

I personally have no problem with the look and feel of the previous budget terminal. It is extremely functional and gets me to where I want to be (to the plane on departure and to the taxi-stand on arrival) with minimal inconvenience and distraction.

KC Sim

Topic: RE: Singapore To Get 4th Terminal - Boost Capacity
Username: infinit
Posted 2013-02-12 06:58:20 and read 3072 times.

Quoting aviasian (Reply 27):
The press release clearly stated that Terminal 4 will have the look and feel of Terminals 1 and 2. And it is not only for low cost carriers

Yeap, from what I heard T4 will be every bit a premium terminal. I guess Changi figured out LCCs will be a major if not the majority contributor to its transit passengers for which the airport's many amenities are designed for. So having a budget terminal will not be a good way to organise. They probably also realised that even if more people are flying in and transiting on LCCs its important to maintain the standards they've set or they'd lose out to the heavy competition in the region

Topic: RE: Singapore To Get 4th Terminal - Boost Capacity
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2013-02-22 15:12:48 and read 2550 times.

Saw a printed story today that with the airport enjoying its busiest year ever in 2012 (51.2mil), which underscores efforts to increase terminal capacity to aid with reposition the airport as more intra-regional aviation hub, and not just an intercontinental hub.

For 2012 the busiest routes by passenger volume were Jakarta, Hong Kong, Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur and Manila.

As of January the airport had 110 tenant airlines connecting Singapore to 240 cities in 60 countries, apparently the most diverse in the region.

Article said, the new terminal would provide growth opportunities for current carriers while more importantly having room for new airlines seeking to set up base in Singapore with its liberal air service market.

Topic: RE: Singapore To Get 4th Terminal - Boost Capacity
Username: EPA001
Posted 2013-02-23 05:37:28 and read 2104 times.

Quoting aviasian (Reply 27):
The press release clearly stated that Terminal 4 will have the look and feel of Terminals 1 and 2.

Which are quite good terminals by themselves.  .

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 29):
Article said, the new terminal would provide growth opportunities for current carriers while more importantly having room for new airlines seeking to set up base in Singapore with its liberal air service market.

I guess the situation is more or less comparable with the developments going on in Malaysia where KLIA-1 is now expanded with a KLIA-2. Which was supposed to be the new LCC Airport, but is becoming much, much more then that.  .


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