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Topic: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: xpfg
Posted 2013-02-15 00:05:44 and read 6880 times.

Last year a topic came about that JetBlue may at some point and time become a reality for DAB. I just though this may be of interest to some here, so I'm posting what the airport recently came up with and has proprosed to JetBlue to start service at the Daytona Beach airport.


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To attract JetBlue to the Volusia/Flagler market, a public/private partnership came together consisting of the airport, civic leaders, and local business partners, chambers of commerce, Volusia County's three tourism advertising authorities and others to put together an impressive incentive package. This package includes complete waiver of airport rentals and landing fees for a full year, $400,000 in front-end marketing support for New York City advertising. Half of this will come from the three advertising authorities. A two-year travel bank was created through the efforts of local business leaders and the Daytona Beach Regional Chamber of Commerce. The travel bank already has financial pledges from 30 businesses to fly JetBlue, mainly for New York travel needs. The current dollar pledge to the travel bank is approximately $250,000 for the first year. Participants in the travel bank include many top employers in Volusia County who have an ongoing need for daily nonstop service to New York City.

Source: http://www.news-journalonline.com/ar...13/OPINION/302129970?p=1&tc=pg



Another interesting part spoke of traffic stats:

For the past four years, Daytona Beach International Airport has bucked the national trend. From a low of 423,725 passengers in 2009, our airport's traffic increased to 584,280 in 2012, a gain of 38 percent in four calendar years. Bigger jets, more seats, reasonable fares and high passenger loads have been a consistent and welcome trend here over the last four years, very different from the experience of many other airports across America.

[Edited 2013-02-15 00:15:04]

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: jfklganyc
Posted 2013-02-15 07:12:36 and read 6635 times.

If they started this service, DL would start it as well.

They would both lose a lot of money because the route is too big for 2 carriers.

B6 would pull out.

DL would then end the nonstop JFK or LGA flight

Enjoy ATL.

Isn't uncontrolled Capitalism wonderful?

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: RL757PVD
Posted 2013-02-15 07:20:16 and read 6595 times.

While I agree Delta will add, I think B6 has enough recognition on both ends to hold their own.

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: thorntot
Posted 2013-02-15 07:25:22 and read 6582 times.

I wonder if the same incentives were offered to United to re-start the former DAB-CLE service Continental used to run prior to 9/11. I would think the Volusia/Flager market would have a larger draw from a mid-western hub than the NYC market. That being said, United could offer both NYC and the Midwest. United would/could be a better fit with a routing of CLE-DAB-EWR and back.

And Delta would be less likely to respond to a DAB-CLE and DAB-EWR flights operated by United. I agree with the earlier posting...JetBlue will be run out of the market by Delta.

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: apodino
Posted 2013-02-15 12:29:24 and read 6351 times.

But...could B6 also launch a BOS-DAB frequency as well? Not sure there would be as much demand as NYC, but during events like Bike Week and speedweeks, BOS-DAB could work.

Also, CO had a DAB-EWR freq for many years on Mainline. It ended only a short time ago. I am not sure that DL launching the route would affect B6 negatively, because of B6's much lower cost structure. One other thing to note is now that there is an AA/US merger, they could conceivably take a stab at the route as well, since they already serve the market from CLT.

I don't think there will be a lot of reaction though. UA could try EWR again, which worked for years and would be better than what happened when IAD flopped. But I think B6 could make this work.

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: STT757
Posted 2013-02-15 12:38:14 and read 6325 times.

Quoting apodino (Reply 4):
Also, CO had a DAB-EWR freq for many years on Mainline.

They served both DAB and MLB nonstop from EWR since '86. MLB ended in the late '90s and DAB carried on until 2003? If you ever watch the movie "Days of Thunder" with Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman there's a scene you can see a CO MD-80 lifting off of DAB in the background.

Quoting apodino (Reply 4):
UA could try EWR again, which worked for years and would be better than what happened when IAD flopped.

I think UA could (re) launch EWR-DAB and EWR-SRQ with ERJ-170s.

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: BOStonsox
Posted 2013-02-15 12:56:54 and read 6236 times.

Quoting apodino (Reply 4):
But...could B6 also launch a BOS-DAB frequency as well? Not sure there would be as much demand as NYC, but during events like Bike Week and speedweeks, BOS-DAB could work.

BOS-DAB has only 30 PDEW, but DAB is so close (just over an hour) to MCO that they might be able to get enough pax, plus there is a hub up here for some connections. I wouldn't hold my breath on it, though.

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: dabpit
Posted 2013-02-15 13:09:48 and read 6208 times.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 1):
If they started this service, DL would start it as well.

DL is doing seasonal to LGA for race season.

Quoting apodino (Reply 4):
But...could B6 also launch a BOS-DAB frequency as well?

There was talk of adding BOS at the same time as JFK or shortly after and if both those routes do well then there is a high possibility for SJU but I wouldn't bet on the DAB-SJU route.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
I think UA could (re) launch EWR-DAB and EWR-SRQ with ERJ-170s.

Maybe UA would do DAB-EWR and/or DAB-CLE

It would be nice to see an airline serve the west coast. Maybe DL or UA to LAX or UA to SFO

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: panam330
Posted 2013-02-15 14:29:11 and read 6099 times.

Quoting apodino (Reply 4):
I don't think there will be a lot of reaction though. UA could try EWR again, which worked for years and would be better than what happened when IAD flopped. But I think B6 could make this work.

IAD didn't flop. UA was pissed that DAB gave FL a subsidy for BWI service and wouldn't give it to them for IAD, so they packed up and left.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
Quoting apodino (Reply 4):
Also, CO had a DAB-EWR freq for many years on Mainline.

They served both DAB and MLB nonstop from EWR since '86. MLB ended in the late '90s and DAB carried on until 2003?

CO pulled out on September 2, 2008. They cited poor yield and high fuel prices at the time.

DL will very likely add a permanent LGA or JFK run if B6 comes to town. It'll be a repeat of when FL flew DAB-LGA. DL adds, they both lose money, they both pull the route, and DL funnels everybody through ATL again. I hope B6's strength in Florida and NYC (and connecting points beyond) keeps them in the market. I know I'll personally benefit from the service!

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: xpfg
Posted 2013-02-15 15:02:53 and read 6044 times.

Quoting dabpit (Reply 7):
DL is doing seasonal to LGA for race season.

Wow, I had no idea about this. It's been a while since they've even considered it, but sure enough, it's there as Saturday service on an E70.

http://www.news-journalonline.com/ar...130120/columns/301189971?p=1&tc=pg

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: southwest737500
Posted 2013-02-15 19:03:48 and read 5471 times.

Quoting panam330 (Reply 8):

But this time B6 has a lot of connecting opportunities on the other end.

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: SurfandSnow
Posted 2013-02-15 21:19:18 and read 4956 times.

Well, B6 clearly has no problem serving SRQ, a relatively small Florida beach market in the shadows of nearby TPA. DAB is rather similar to SRQ; it is a well-known and popular destination in its own right that suffers with respect to air service due to its close proximity to a very well served major airport: Mickey's Corporate Office. Given that Florida's Gulf Coast tends to be more of a Midwesterner haven, it is all the more remarkable that B6 successfully serves SRQ from JFK, BOS, and even LGA. As East Coast folk tend to have more affinity to Florida's eastern Atlantic shores, I should think DAB would do just as well as SRQ, if not better, if served in similar fashion by B6...

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 1):
If they started this service, DL would start it as well.

Not necessarily. They didn't bother to start JFK-ABQ when B6 announced that, for example. But, given that DL cares much more about NYC-Florida than NYC-Albuquerque, you are probably right.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 1):
They would both lose a lot of money because the route is too big for 2 carriers.

B6 would pull out.

DL would then end the nonstop JFK or LGA flight

Enjoy ATL.

Well, DL did add nonstop LGA-DAB on their own accord, albeit a peak season (2 month) weekly flight. Saturday happens to be the only day LGA doesn't have slots, but I don't think slots are really the issue for DL anyway. It seems DL has more JFK and LGA slots than they really know what to do with these days, and perhaps DAB could be more profitable out of NYC than this new stuff they're trying like DSM and YQB  .

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 2):
I think B6 has enough recognition on both ends to hold their own.

Yes, but that's only one thing to consider. B6 probably already gets plenty of Daytona-bound folks on its existing MCO flights - are these folks willing to pay some kind of premium for the convenience of service into DAB? B6 has to be able to justify the expense of opening the new station and then covering its costs. Unlike DAB's previous LCC tenant FL, B6 isn't in the business of trying all kinds of new markets and quickly shutting down the ones that aren't working out. B6 has only closed a handful of stations in its history - like WN, they don't willy nilly enter a market and then hope it works out. Also, consider the opportunity cost of aircraft and NYC (JFK, perhaps LGA) slots. If the plane or slots can be put to more profitable use, DAB won't be considered even if it would seemingly be profitable...

Quoting thorntot (Reply 3):
I wonder if the same incentives were offered to United

Most airports are much more interested in getting new service from LCC than legacies. New LCC service tends to lower fares much more substantially than new legacy service. If PMCO didn't want to resume DAB service, I highly doubt the new UA will. UA seems to have a much more PMUA view of Florida - a low-yielding place to be served in as minimal a fashion as possible - than CO, which considered Florida as one of the most important non-hub components of its network.

Quoting apodino (Reply 4):
But...could B6 also launch a BOS-DAB frequency as well? Not sure there would be as much demand as NYC, but during events like Bike Week and speedweeks, BOS-DAB could work.

Of course they could. If they are willing to serve CHS from BOS, I'd be willing to be they'd give DAB a go from BOS too.

Quoting apodino (Reply 4):
One other thing to note is now that there is an AA/US merger, they could conceivably take a stab at the route as well, since they already serve the market from CLT.

AA is no longer in the business of serving leisure markets from NYC. They seem perfectly content with letting DL and B6 handle that. AA used to do a fair bit of LGA-Florida flying, but now their LGA slots not being used for hub services support business markets like ATL, CLT, and MSP. They'll probably keep most of the remaining US LGA operation intact (Shuttle to BOS and DCA, mainline to CLT, regional to PIT), with excess LGA slots being used today for stuff like US LGA-PHL at absurdly high frequency and AA's now redundant LGA-CLT they can start serving stuff like CVG, IND, and ORF from the preferred LGA rather than JFK. This, in turn, could free up some JFK slots for more transatlantic, Latin American, or perhaps even transpacific services...

Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
I think UA could (re) launch EWR-DAB and EWR-SRQ with ERJ-170s.

They'd have to cut some existing EWR flights to provide slots for such services, though.

Quoting dabpit (Reply 7):

There was talk of adding BOS at the same time as JFK or shortly after and if both those routes do well then there is a high possibility for SJU but I wouldn't bet on the DAB-SJU route.

JFK/BOS-DAB, sure. DAB-SJU? You can't be serious. JAX-SJU and PBI-SJU are one thing, DAB-SJU is quite another. After we see them add PVD-SJU, BWI-SJU, ORD-SJU, PHL-SJU, RDU-SJU and ISP-SJU then maybe they'd look into it...

Quoting dabpit (Reply 7):
It would be nice to see an airline serve the west coast. Maybe DL or UA to LAX or UA to SFO

Lmao. UA doesn't even serve TPA from SFO, and that is a relatively strong station for them (in terms of Florida, anyhow). DL tried LAX-JAX to no avail, LAX-DAB wouldn't stand a chance.

Quoting panam330 (Reply 8):
IAD didn't flop. UA was pissed that DAB gave FL a subsidy for BWI service and wouldn't give it to them for IAD, so they packed up and left.

If there was really a market for DAB from the D.C./Maryland area, wouldn't US be offering DCA-DAB by now?

Quoting panam330 (Reply 8):
DL will very likely add a permanent LGA or JFK run if B6 comes to town. It'll be a repeat of when FL flew DAB-LGA. DL adds, they both lose money, they both pull the route, and DL funnels everybody through ATL again. I hope B6's strength in Florida and NYC (and connecting points beyond) keeps them in the market. I know I'll personally benefit from the service!

The difference is that FL was an unknown in the New York market, while B6 is a local favorite. Having taken FL's CAK-LGA, I can assure you that they rely on the CAK point of sale to fill the flights, there are few if any New Yorkers on them. FL had no brand recognition or FF presence on either end of the LGA-DAB route, so it's no wonder it failed. B6 would at least have a big pool of loyal New Yorkers behind their cause, and they'd probably be the talk of the town on the Daytona Beach end of things...

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 10):
But this time B6 has a lot of connecting opportunities on the other end.

Atlanta and Charlotte have a lot of connecting opportunities. New York is all about O&D, though a handful of markets like BOS, BTV, BUF, PWM, ROC, and SYR would be accessible through JFK. With the possible exception of ORD, nobody in their right mind would connect to/from Florida through New York to anywhere else in their network!

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: bobloblaw
Posted 2013-02-16 02:29:09 and read 4630 times.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 1):

Yes, it was much better with the CAB. JetBlue wouldn't even exist, WN would have 20 planes and no destinations outside TX and it would cost $500 to fly lga-dab each way.

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: STT757
Posted 2013-02-16 04:04:00 and read 4580 times.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 11):
They'd have to cut some existing EWR flights to provide slots for such services, though.

They're going to 16x daily EWR-LAX and 16x daily EWR-SFO, I think they have the ability to source slots.

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: apodino
Posted 2013-02-16 11:31:28 and read 4332 times.

Quoting panam330 (Reply 8):

IAD didn't flop. UA was pissed that DAB gave FL a subsidy for BWI service and wouldn't give it to them for IAD, so they packed up and left.

That is the official explanation from UA, but believe me if the route was making money they would not have abandoned it, unless they are real stupid.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 11):
The difference is that FL was an unknown in the New York market, while B6 is a local favorite. Having taken FL's CAK-LGA, I can assure you that they rely on the CAK point of sale to fill the flights, there are few if any New Yorkers on them. FL had no brand recognition or FF presence on either end of the LGA-DAB route, so it's no wonder it failed. B6 would at least have a big pool of loyal New Yorkers behind their cause, and they'd probably be the talk of the town on the Daytona Beach end of things...

Exactly. B6 has a strong following on both ends of this, and could make something like 3X daily on the E190 work.

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: JBAirwaysFan
Posted 2013-02-16 15:32:19 and read 4185 times.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 14):
you can NOT buy a NY Post in the DAB area.

100% FALSE; Local grocery stores and gas stations sell the NY Post in the DAB area.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 11):
If there was really a market for DAB from the D.C./Maryland area, wouldn't US be offering DCA-DAB by now?

Actually it seemed that BWI was FL's best performer at DAB.

Quoting dabpit (Reply 7):
Maybe UA would do DAB-EWR and/or DAB-CLE

UA has a bit of a grudge against DAB, and has had one since 2008. See the subsidy comment.

Quoting xpfg (Reply 9):
Wow, I had no idea about this. It's been a while since they've even considered it, but sure enough, it's there as Saturday service on an E70.

I made a thread about it a month ago.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 11):
With the possible exception of ORD, nobody in their right mind would connect to/from Florida through New York to anywhere else in their network!

Then again, no one has nice things to say about ATL either. Plus if jetBlue has a loyal customer base in these markets (and I bet you they do), they would be willing anyway.

Quoting panam330 (Reply 8):
I know I'll personally benefit from the service!

You and me both.

People WILL pay the premium to fly JFK-DAB/DAB-JFK over MCO. The Daytona Beach International Airport has a very good reputation with air service aside. Everyone I have met down there has said "If only they flew out of Daytona" or "If they started a flight from Daytona to XXX I would definitely use it" so if JetBlue started JFK-DAB, area visitors and residents WILL choose DAB over MCO.

[Edited 2013-02-16 15:37:38]

[Edited 2013-02-16 15:47:33]

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: NASCARAirforce
Posted 2013-02-16 17:23:56 and read 4094 times.

Quoting dabpit (Reply 7):
It would be nice to see an airline serve the west coast. Maybe DL or UA to LAX or UA to SFO

Thats a pipe dream. Being that a good percentage of flyers out of DAB are ERAU students, most are from the eastern half of the country. More than likely if you were from the west coast attending Riddle you would attend at Prescott AZ instead.

I think back in the day prior to 9/11 Either Continental had ERJ flights once a week to IAH or Delta with CRJ flights to DFW - can't recall which, it didn't last very long and that is the furthest west that they attempted. TPA doesn't even have flights to the west coast, nor does JAX. I think MCO is too oversaturated on west coast routes as it is with Virgin America, United and American.

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: 727LOVER
Posted 2013-02-16 20:02:34 and read 3993 times.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 17):

Ummmmm.....DL flies TPA-LAX

Has for quite some time



Im guessing LAX counts as west coast

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: Mir
Posted 2013-02-16 21:47:49 and read 3902 times.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 11):
Well, B6 clearly has no problem serving SRQ, a relatively small Florida beach market in the shadows of nearby TPA. DAB is rather similar to SRQ; it is a well-known and popular destination in its own right that suffers with respect to air service due to its close proximity to a very well served major airport: Mickey's Corporate Office. Given that Florida's Gulf Coast tends to be more of a Midwesterner haven, it is all the more remarkable that B6 successfully serves SRQ from JFK, BOS, and even LGA. As East Coast folk tend to have more affinity to Florida's eastern Atlantic shores, I should think DAB would do just as well as SRQ, if not better, if served in similar fashion by B6...

There's a whole lot more money in SRQ than there is in DAB, which explains why it can support NYC service and DAB will probably not be able to. The reality is that unless you like NASCAR or are on spring break (both of which are highly seasonal and low-yielding) or are there with your motorcycle (in which case you probably aren't going to be flying in), there's not a whole lot going on in DAB.

-Mir

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: xpfg
Posted 2013-02-16 22:50:05 and read 3871 times.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 18):
I visit daytona beach shores oftrn...cvs has it...pubkix does not

I live in Shores. It's at Publix.

Quoting Mir (Reply 21):
There's a whole lot more money in SRQ than there is in DAB, which explains why it can support NYC service and DAB will probably not be able to. The reality is that unless you like NASCAR or are on spring break (both of which are highly seasonal and low-yielding) or are there with your motorcycle (in which case you probably aren't going to be flying in), there's not a whole lot going on in DAB.

I'm no know it all in all of this, but my assumption is that DAB could support this service. It wouldn't be high frequency, but it would be sustainable (as CO had it back in the day from EWR). The New York/Jersey area traffic from Daytona is a very large market (top 2 or 3 if I'm not mistaken).

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 17):
I made a thread about it a month ago.

Unfortunately the search function does very little justice here, so easily missed.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 17):
I think back in the day prior to 9/11 Either Continental had ERJ flights once a week to IAH or Delta with CRJ flights to DFW - can't recall which, it didn't last very long and that is the furthest west that they attempted.

Both. I flew the DFW-DAB leg on a DL CRJ-200 way back when. Not sure how long it lasted.

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: slcdeltarumd11
Posted 2013-02-16 23:46:48 and read 3844 times.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 1):

If they started this service, DL would start it as well.

You dont know that

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: NASCARAirforce
Posted 2013-02-17 04:32:58 and read 3770 times.

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 15):
100% FALSE; Local grocery stores and gas stations sell the NY Post in the DAB area.

NY Post or NY Times? I never seen the NY Post down here - but the NY Times is everywhere.

Quoting xpfg (Reply 19):
Unfortunately the search function does very little justice here, so easily missed.

Not sure how I got quoted on that because I didn't do a thread on it a month ago.

Quoting xpfg (Reply 19):
Both. I flew the DFW-DAB leg on a DL CRJ-200 way back when. Not sure how long it lasted.

It was before I attended ERAU from 2003-2006. I am thinking it was in the 1990s back when DAB was strong - mainline US service to CLT, mainline AA service to RDU etc.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 17):
Ummmmm.....DL flies TPA-LAX

Has for quite some time

What are the loads on it? 737-800 I suppose? I thought that got dropped a while back.

TPA is still a much bigger metro area than DAB.

Unless Allegiant with its new Airbuses could start a route 1X a week between DAB-LAX for dirt cheap that would be lower than VX, UA, AA out of MCO - there is nothing that would fly DAB-LAX/SFO otherwise because any plane that range would have at least 130 seats, about 100 too many for that route. American Eagle can't even run a 35 seat ERJ-135 between DAB-MIA, and ERAU has a lot of South American/Carribean students that could take Eagle for connections in MIA instead of the 3-4 drive down there.

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: 727LOVER
Posted 2013-02-17 04:52:36 and read 3756 times.

Its an A320, but they were using a 738 a few months ago & 757 years ago. Its been reduced to 1 flight, down from 2.....BUT ITS STILL THERE!!!!!!!  .....



& we have Cayman too!  

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: planeguy727
Posted 2013-02-17 06:47:32 and read 3675 times.

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 15):
People WILL pay the premium to fly JFK-DAB/DAB-JFK over MCO. The Daytona Beach International Airport has a very good reputation with air service aside. Everyone I have met down there has said "If only they flew out of Daytona" or "If they started a flight from Daytona to XXX I would definitely use it" so if JetBlue started JFK-DAB, area visitors and residents WILL choose DAB over MCO.

This is a common fallacy that you hear in many markets trying to attract service. There are so many examples out there of people claiming that they will use a service, even if it costs a little more, only to drive to another airport in an effort to save the money they previously claimed to be willing to spend for the local flight.

I believe some people will pay for the DAB-JFK flight, but I don't think it is 1) as many as you think, and 2) enough to make the service viable on a daily basis year round. Just my opinion on the matter.

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: JBAirwaysFan
Posted 2013-02-17 07:08:55 and read 3659 times.

Quoting xpfg (Reply 19):
The New York/Jersey area traffic from Daytona is a very large market (top 2 or 3 if I'm not mistaken).

It is actually number 1 with ATL and CLT aside. This has been consistent for decades.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 21):
NY Post or NY Times? I never seen the NY Post down here - but the NY Times is everywhere.

Both I'm pretty sure. My mother lives in the DAB area and buys the post everyday for my grandmother.

Quoting planeguy727 (Reply 23):
This is a common fallacy that you hear in many markets trying to attract service. There are so many examples out there of people claiming that they will use a service, even if it costs a little more, only to drive to another airport in an effort to save the money they previously claimed to be willing to spend for the local flight.

I believe some people will pay for the DAB-JFK flight, but I don't think it is 1) as many as you think, and 2) enough to make the service viable on a daily basis year round. Just my opinion on the matter.

First off, gas prices are through the roof and for people to save the gas and pay the premium to fly out of Daytona is probably more of a reality now. Second, DAB really has no premium over Orlando these days. If you look in the article the cost to fly DL's nonstop LGA-DAB flight is less expensive than the cost to MCO. I fly to DAB 2-4 times per year. I always avoid MCO, though I do compare airfares between DAB and MCO. Price wise, DAB has won consistently lately. There is no more premium to fly out of DAB over MCO. With JetBlue in DAB, fares will go down even more so then there really won't be a premium.

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: xpfg
Posted 2013-02-17 14:51:17 and read 3542 times.

Somewhat off topic, but I also note DCA-DAB service active on the route map for US Air right now, and it looks like several flights have operated yesterday and today. Not sure if this is a "this weekend" only thing, or seasonal in any form or fashion.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 21):
Not sure how I got quoted on that because I didn't do a thread on it a month ago.

Me neither. Oh well.  

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: NASCARAirforce
Posted 2013-02-18 07:42:32 and read 3362 times.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 22):
& we have Cayman too!

Off topic but is Edelweiss still flying there? (before we confuse anyone - we are talking about TPA and Cayman is an inside joke for years between 727Lover and I)

Quoting planeguy727 (Reply 23):
I believe some people will pay for the DAB-JFK flight, but I don't think it is 1) as many as you think, and 2) enough to make the service viable on a daily basis year round. Just my opinion on the matter.

As a class project in 2005 at ERAU, we worked with a person at DAB in charge of airline business/marketing. We surveyed several ERAU students about where they fly the most (granted this wasn't the full Daytona Beach graphic). Top market was New York, which at the time was covered by COExpress ERJ to EWR at the time. PHL, DTW, ORD and PIT were also high on the list - all of which weren't served at that time. I think both PHL and ORD got brief service from US and UA respectively on weekends around 2006-7 or so

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 24):
First off, gas prices are through the roof and for people to save the gas and pay the premium to fly out of Daytona is probably more of a reality now. Second, DAB really has no premium over Orlando these days. If you look in the article the cost to fly DL's nonstop LGA-DAB flight is less expensive than the cost to MCO. I fly to DAB 2-4 times per year. I always avoid MCO, though I do compare airfares between DAB and MCO. Price wise, DAB has won consistently lately. There is no more premium to fly out of DAB over MCO. With JetBlue in DAB, fares will go down even more so then there really won't be a premium.

In 2004/05 there was quite a premium to fly out of DAB. I was trying to fly out of DAB to DTW and it was $400-500 round trip with either a stop at ATL on DAL or EWR on COA. I got a flight $160 round trip non stop MCO-DTW on Spirit. However the idea was in 2006 when Daytona Beach area went through a major condo build up when everyone was buying houses before the bubble broke - that people that are buying $500K-IM condos on the beach aren't going to drive to MCO to save a couple hundred $, they would want the convenience of DAB to fly to the northeast. DAB saw its peak of air traffic around 2007 before the economy went to shit. Many condos ended up only being half built, or not started at all after the old mom and pop motels on the beach got plowed. So you see a ton of empty lots on the beach with stuff that never got built.

Quoting xpfg (Reply 25):
Somewhat off topic, but I also note DCA-DAB service active on the route map for US Air right now, and it looks like several flights have operated yesterday and today. Not sure if this is a "this weekend" only thing, or seasonal in any form or fashion.

Daytona 500 speedweeks. Everything is more active. Delta is flying 757s regularly between ATL-DAB and have been known to bring in 767s in the past. US will likely fly some mainline also from CLT

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: xpfg
Posted 2013-02-18 10:44:51 and read 3352 times.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 26):
Daytona 500 speedweeks. Everything is more active. Delta is flying 757s regularly between ATL-DAB and have been known to bring in 767s in the past. US will likely fly some mainline also from CLT

I figured it may be the case. US Air hasn't ever done this in the past speed weeks (DCA), so I'm usually just used to seeing the Airbuses and Boeings on the schedule during that time.

The 757 has been a year-round aircraft for DL at DAB now for almost two years (minmum of one flight daily on the 757, the rest MD88 or occasional 737/A320s). During the spring time they usually up to near full schedule 757 service as well. I noticed speed week this year will primarily be all 753s.

[Edited 2013-02-18 10:45:29]

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: LHCVG
Posted 2013-02-18 10:54:26 and read 3325 times.

Quoting apodino (Reply 14):
That is the official explanation from UA, but believe me if the route was making money they would not have abandoned it, unless they are real stupid.

Not necessarily - it could have been making money in the strict sense of covering it's costs and contributing a bit to the overall UA till, but not up to snuff for what UA normally considers a viable route. If so it's not unreasonable at all that they would leave under such circumstances, when the route planning and yield management folks can say "hey we can get you more for that plane/crew combo usage here". Even when speaking about regional routes, there is total finite number of available "aircraft hours" and crew hours in the system.

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: LONGisland89
Posted 2013-02-18 11:26:41 and read 3287 times.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 26):
Off topic but is Edelweiss still flying there? (before we confuse anyone - we are talking about TPA and Cayman is an inside joke for years between 727Lover and I)

Yup, once weekly on Fridays.

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: enilria
Posted 2013-02-18 11:45:04 and read 3266 times.

The real problem with Daytona, is that outside of NASCAR fans the Daytona brand is totally dead. It was a spring break place (students need to fly because their breaks are short and they have disposable income). That's gone. They tried somewhat successfully to do families, but that's a "low-yield" drive business from TN/Carolinas/Alabama/Georgia. There is not sufficient fly-in tourism to Daytona at this point to justify it. New Yorkers are not clamoring to go to Daytona. It's a backwater.

The way out of the desert for them is to run a ton of destination advertising in New York and Boston to rebuild demand and then...and only then...will there be a market again. Getting B6 is a "if we build it they will come strategy". They won't come. They need to make them come and then get them off I-4 as the next step.

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: NASCARAirforce
Posted 2013-02-18 16:14:16 and read 3145 times.

Quoting xpfg (Reply 27):
I figured it may be the case. US Air hasn't ever done this in the past speed weeks (DCA), so I'm usually just used to seeing the Airbuses and Boeings on the schedule during that time.

I think in years past there would be US CRJs from PHL and LGA to DAB during speed weeks, but then again I could be wrong.

Quoting xpfg (Reply 27):
The 757 has been a year-round aircraft for DL at DAB now for almost two years (minmum of one flight daily on the 757, the rest MD88 or occasional 737/A320s). During the spring time they usually up to near full schedule 757 service as well. I noticed speed week this year will primarily be all 753s.

I didn't realize 757 has been regularly scheduled - that right there is a good sign for DAB. When I was there from 2003-2006 it was the MD-80 and the CRJ-700, although there was a noon flight from CVG on a CR7 too until about 2005. Briefly in 2006 DAL used a mix of 737-200s and 800s Delta would only bring in the 757 during Daytona 500. I noticed the Delta A320 there during winter 2011 though.

Quoting enilria (Reply 30):
The real problem with Daytona, is that outside of NASCAR fans the Daytona brand is totally dead. It was a spring break place (students need to fly because their breaks are short and they have disposable income). That's gone. They tried somewhat successfully to do families, but that's a "low-yield" drive business from TN/Carolinas/Alabama/Georgia. There is not sufficient fly-in tourism to Daytona at this point to justify it. New Yorkers are not clamoring to go to Daytona. It's a backwater.

Daytona was attempting a revitalizing movement in the mid 2000s. They went through beautifying the city - got rid of that housing project on ISB between Nova Rd and Bethune Cookman College and put in condos. They tried to make the beach look beautiful with the brickpaving in the intersections. They tore down any old motel or shop that looked run down and started building high rises to look like South Daytona. There were a lot of Northeasterners that lived in Daytona. I would still say the majority of residents or snowbirds came from NY, Bos, Philly, Washington while people from Michigan, Chicago, Ohio go more to Tampa, Sarasota, Ft. Myers etc. The idea in Daytona in 2004-2007 was to build highrises, sell them for 500K - 1M condos and try to be the next Palm Beach. Spring Break is comparitively non existent in Daytona to what it was when I was going to high school, early college in the 90s. They did what they could to move spring break out. The same goes for bike week. Most of bike week events occur at Bruce Rossmyer's on US 1 and 95 northwest of Ormond Beach - far enough away from Daytona. Daytona Beach police started putting hefty fines on loud motorcycles, and stopped the beach orgies. It wasn't uncommon for Bike Week to be as big as Sturgis in the 1980s with well over 100,000 bikers. They did what they could to move them out too - even though the average biker spends $1000 or more during Bike week. Next they got rid of BCR (Black College Reunion) - that has moved further down to Miami. It used to be a big thing in Daytona, it was pretty small even when I was going to school. They did all of this stuff to try to attract rich snob white baby boomers from the northeast as they retired. Housing crisis and bad economy hit - so that bit Daytona Beach in the ass.

Will they try to bring back BCR, Spring Break and Bike Week to its former glory since they can't seem to attract the retirees now? only time will tell.

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: cessna53996
Posted 2013-02-18 16:43:57 and read 3124 times.

B6 starting up at DAB would be a great thing, it would give Embry-Riddle students from the Northeast easier connections. I've talked to a Riddle student who takes DAB-ATL-BTV and even MCO-JFK-BTV. So in his case DAB-JFK-BTV would be much more convenient and easier. It would be interesting to see if they'd fly to BOS from Daytona, although I don't believe there is enough demand even for an E190.

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: jfklganyc
Posted 2013-02-18 16:49:52 and read 3108 times.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 32):
Will they try to bring back BCR, Spring Break and Bike Week to its former glory since they can't seem to attract the retirees now? only time will tell.

I lived there during all 3. No need to bring any of them back sans Bike Week. The bikers are usually professionals (doctors, lawyers, etc) that spend money. The other 2 events are college kids spending NO money, sleeping 4+ in a room, and costing the city a lot of money in police overtime.

I actually saw police equipment that looked like a tank for both events.

I am sure Daytona wont be jumping over themselves to restart these events.

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: xpfg
Posted 2013-02-18 19:46:03 and read 3029 times.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 32):
I think in years past there would be US CRJs from PHL and LGA to DAB during speed weeks, but then again I could be wrong.

Not that I'm aware. I usually keep an eye on it, but something may have slipped by.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 32):
I didn't realize 757 has been regularly scheduled - that right there is a good sign for DAB. When I was there from 2003-2006 it was the MD-80 and the CRJ-700, although there was a noon flight from CVG on a CR7 too until about 2005. Briefly in 2006 DAL used a mix of 737-200s and 800s Delta would only bring in the 757 during Daytona 500. I noticed the Delta A320 there during winter 2011 though.

Yes, year round, and Daytona has been all mainline aircraft daily for I suppose 2-3 years now. I remember that CVG flight, though it was short lived.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 32):
The same goes for bike week.

Bike week is still very big here in the Daytona proper areas. I can't imagine it being any larger...scary thought. As it stands it's already very chaotic, especially down Main St.

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: panam330
Posted 2013-02-18 22:11:19 and read 2954 times.

Quoting xpfg (Reply 35):
Not that I'm aware. I usually keep an eye on it, but something may have slipped by.

US has done a [very] spotty LGA turn in the past (pre-DL slot swap), but I don't recall ever seeing PHL. DCA has happened in the past, again very spotty.

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: dabpit
Posted 2013-02-19 09:21:47 and read 2849 times.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 11):
Lmao. UA doesn't even serve TPA from SFO, and that is a relatively strong station for them (in terms of Florida, anyhow). DL tried LAX-JAX to no avail, LAX-DAB wouldn't stand a chance.

Approx. 360 people fly west within a week out of DAB the majority to CA. That does not take into account people that would make connections. That is enough people to sustain 4 to 5 flights a week with an aircraft under 76 seats.
The passenger figures are from the DOT.

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 15):
I made a thread about it a month ago.

That is where I got the information.

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 15):
People WILL pay the premium to fly JFK-DAB/DAB-JFK over MCO. The Daytona Beach International Airport has a very good reputation with air service aside. Everyone I have met down there has said "If only they flew out of Daytona" or "If they started a flight from Daytona to XXX I would definitely use it" so if JetBlue started JFK-DAB, area visitors and residents WILL choose DAB over MCO.

To a degree, and I have heard the same comments.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 16):
More than likely if you were from the west coast attending Riddle you would attend at Prescott AZ instead.

Not true. The two campuses do not necessarily have the same degrees or majors.

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: Mir
Posted 2013-02-19 10:18:51 and read 2805 times.

Quoting dabpit (Reply 37):
Approx. 360 people fly west within a week out of DAB the majority to CA. That does not take into account people that would make connections. That is enough people to sustain 4 to 5 flights a week with an aircraft under 76 seats.

None of which could make the trip non-stop. So you'd have to connect anyway, and ATL is right there to do that.

-Mir

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: dabpit
Posted 2013-02-19 10:30:43 and read 2776 times.

Quoting Mir (Reply 38):
None of which could make the trip non-stop. So you'd have to connect anyway, and ATL is right there to do that.

ATL is not always the best place to connect.

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: JBAirwaysFan
Posted 2013-02-19 10:32:49 and read 2780 times.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 26):
In 2004/05 there was quite a premium to fly out of DAB.

Oh absolutely there was. However in 2013, MCO and DAB are level playing fields in terms of pricing. MCO has routinely cost more money from NY over DAB when I have traveled in the past 2 years. DAB's premium is no longer in existence with the exception of maybe Spring Break or Race Weeks, and that is a MAYBE.

Quoting xpfg (Reply 35):
Not that I'm aware. I usually keep an eye on it, but something may have slipped by.

I think it was Summer 08 or 09 and they ran an E170 for the Summer Race weekend.

Quoting enilria (Reply 30):
Getting B6 is a "if we build it they will come strategy". They won't come.

I disagree. Having a popular low fare carrier in Daytona Beach has done increased demand in the past. AirTran screwed up big time which is why I think they left in my opinion. They saturated the DAB-ATL market and then failed to compete with DL's schedules. How are you going to get any business when you cut your schedule to one daily DAB-ATL when your competitor is running 6 on MD-88s? It doesn't work. Then again ATL was saturated anyway. FL just duplicated service that already existed in Daytona Beach for almost 30 years when they came in. However, when they ran DAB-BWI the loads were good. BWI, IMO was FL's best performer in DAB. If anything they should have axed ATL and kept BWI since they still had sufficient feed through BWI to other markets.

JetBlue coming to DAB will stir up demand again and probably do well for them. They are well known all throughout Florida and what it boils down to is more NYC-Florida service with available connections thru NYC. Not to mention JetBlue's agreements with other airlines such as EI (thats Aer Lingus right?) and LH. Daytona is popular with German Tourists and let's not forget LTU used to service DUS-DAB. The agreement with a German carrier will make for good international feed.

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: NASCARAirforce
Posted 2013-02-19 15:09:33 and read 2650 times.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 34):
I lived there during all 3. No need to bring any of them back sans Bike Week. The bikers are usually professionals (doctors, lawyers, etc) that spend money. The other 2 events are college kids spending NO money, sleeping 4+ in a room, and costing the city a lot of money in police overtime.

I actually saw police equipment that looked like a tank for both events.

I am sure Daytona wont be jumping over themselves to restart these events.

I remember when I was on spring break - we got a great deal on hotels, jammed as many people in, bought some fast food and maybe spent money at clubs - of course had the older students buy us the booze too. Some may spend a little renting a jetski or one of those scooters but I wouldn't think the average spring breaker spends more than $500 that whole week while someone at a bike event is spending more than twice that, getting nicer hotels and even supporting the local economy buying a new Harley at Bruce Rossmyer's. I assume BCR was about the same economically as spring break. Daytona Beach Bike week has changed - as you said more professionals so the crime has I am sure gone down from the 1980s when a lot of Outlaw bikers and 1%ers were going there and causing trouble. I know during BCR, cops were lined up every block or 2 in the left turn lane of A1A pretty much from Ormond Beach border to South Daytona.

Quoting xpfg (Reply 35):
Yes, year round, and Daytona has been all mainline aircraft daily for I suppose 2-3 years now. I remember that CVG flight, though it was short lived.

There was also a short lived LGA Comair/ASA flight around Christmas 2006. It started after I left the area in July 2006 but I remember hearing about it being the plane that just landed right before the Embry Riddle Tornado on Christmas.

Quoting xpfg (Reply 35):
Bike week is still very big here in the Daytona proper areas. I can't imagine it being any larger...scary thought. As it stands it's already very chaotic, especially down Main St.

Bike week and Biketoberfest are nothing compared to what they were even a couple years ago. I think it is more spread out than it was in the 1980s - due to Bruce Rossmyer's place out on I-95 and US 1 and various other Harley Davidson dealers holding events and concerts during the week in Orlando, Sanford etc as well as other bars having events as far south as Melbourne. You might still get 100,000 bikers attending but they are more spread out than they were in the 80s.

Quoting dabpit (Reply 37):
Not true. The two campuses do not necessarily have the same degrees or majors.

Not enough difference to justify flights to LAX or SFO before a lot of east coast cities.

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: JBAirwaysFan
Posted 2013-02-19 21:19:34 and read 2536 times.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 41):
There was also a short lived LGA Comair/ASA flight around Christmas 2006. It started after I left the area in July 2006 but I remember hearing about it being the plane that just landed right before the Embry Riddle Tornado on Christmas.

Yup, they did it for the Christmas Season in 2006 and 2007 followed by a Seasonal Spring flight for 2008 when AirTran flew it.


The other thing I noticed is that there wasn't a huge drop in capacity during the off season this year. DL still kept all mainline and even kept a 757 for the RON flight while keeping MD-88s on the other 3 while in past years DL brought in RJs mixed with MD-88s. US Airways was steady with 3 CR7s to CLT.

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2013-02-20 04:57:06 and read 2473 times.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 2):
I think B6 has enough recognition on both ends to hold their own.

Compared to Delta? unlikely. (I mean, B6 doesn't even fly into DAB, Delta does)

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 16):
TPA doesn't even have flights to the west coast, nor does JAX. I think MCO is too oversaturated on west coast routes as it is with Virgin America, United and American.

Daily LAX-TPA 320 on Delta.
2x Daily LAX-MCO on Delta. 738 sometimes 738/757 mix

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 21):
737-800 I suppose?

320

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 21):
What are the loads on it?

it isn't losing money. It has stayed around even during super high fuel. LAX-FLL was the one that got dropped during the high fuel crisis

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: JBAirwaysFan
Posted 2013-02-20 06:05:51 and read 2437 times.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 43):
Compared to Delta? unlikely. (I mean, B6 doesn't even fly into DAB, Delta does)

They're actually pretty well known in the DAB area, and with a much better reputation than Delta. Don't let the fact that they don't fly there fool you.

[Edited 2013-02-20 06:06:28]

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: STT757
Posted 2013-02-20 14:43:16 and read 2333 times.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 32):
Spring Break is comparitively non existent in Daytona to what it was when I was going to high school, early college in the 90s

I stayed with my family at the Daytona Beach Marriott during Spring Break 1992, MTV Spring Break was at our hotel. Daytona Beach back then reminded me of Seaside Heights NJ. I visited again in Summer 2009, the Beach and the Clubs were as happening as ever. However the areas to the North, I was staying at a house on the Beach in Flagler Beach, were gorgeous. They're still a hidden gem for folks from the Northeast looking for a Florida home.

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: JBAirwaysFan
Posted 2013-02-20 15:00:18 and read 2319 times.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 45):
However the areas to the North, I was staying at a house on the Beach in Flagler Beach, were gorgeous.

I love Flagler Beach! It reminds me a lot of some Long Island towns along the South Shore. Freeport and Long Beach come to mind. Similar style houses.

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: KEWR2014
Posted 2013-02-24 10:03:09 and read 2153 times.

Was driving by KDAB last night around 2100 and there was a JetBlue E190 at the gate ramp.
I don't think it was a diversion from KMCO as weather conditions were pretty fair last night.

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: NASBWI
Posted 2013-02-24 10:57:10 and read 2077 times.

Quoting KEWR2014 (Reply 46):
Was driving by KDAB last night around 2100 and there was a JetBlue E190 at the gate ramp.
I don't think it was a diversion from KMCO as weather conditions were pretty fair last night.

It could've been a charter to DAB, or less likely (since MCO is close by), a maintenance or medically-related diversion.

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: JBAirwaysFan
Posted 2013-02-24 14:04:43 and read 1999 times.

From what I have heard by reliable people is that DAB is under very serious consideration by jetBlue, and it seems like market planning is leaning towards yes. I will keep my sources nameless to protect anonymity. I have been told that jetBlue has another meeting at DAB in early March which falls under the 60 day time frame mentioned in the article in the OP.

My guess is DAB would see an SRQ type operation to JFK with one daily and a seasonal 2nd daily though I wouldn't be surprised to see 2 Sat-Sun and 1 Mon-Fri type operation either.

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: xpfg
Posted 2013-02-24 15:31:33 and read 1965 times.

Quoting KEWR2014 (Reply 46):

Was driving by KDAB last night around 2100 and there was a JetBlue E190 at the gate ramp.
I don't think it was a diversion from KMCO as weather conditions were pretty fair last night.

You sure with was B6? There was an F9 there yesterday for the fairly normal Atlantic City charter, and I believe a DL E170 for the LGA flight, but that's it. Can't see anything B6 related even on flightaware.

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 48):
From what I have heard by reliable people is that DAB is under very serious consideration by jetBlue, and it seems like market planning is leaning towards yes. I will keep my sources nameless to protect anonymity. I have been told that jetBlue has another meeting at DAB in early March which falls under the 60 day time frame mentioned in the article in the OP.

Interesting...

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: KEWR2014
Posted 2013-02-24 18:38:11 and read 1884 times.

Here's a somewhat fuzzy pic my friend managed to take. If you look closely its a B6 embraer

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2013-02-24 20:52:18 and read 1759 times.

On the topic of flight upguages/charters:

Today, US Airways brought in an a321 on the RON, with the other flights being regional jets,
DL was mostly 752/3 with 1 or 2 MD88s to ATL,
Slew of Private aircraft,
Miami Air 738 came in from CLT.
F9 E190 charter to ACY.

Anything I missed?

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: KPWMSpotter
Posted 2013-02-25 06:20:00 and read 1693 times.

Quoting KEWR2014 (Reply 46):

The B6 E-190 was a diversion from JAX. There was an isolated band of weather over JAX on Saturday night; they were only on the ground for about an hour in Daytona.

Topic: RE: Daytona Gives JetBlue Incentive Package Proprosal
Username: JBAirwaysFan
Posted 2013-02-25 08:47:10 and read 1602 times.

That E-175 was also the start of LGA service for the next month. Departure time was 7 PM for LGA.


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