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Topic: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: musapapaya
Posted 2013-02-24 05:45:50 and read 19806 times.

Dear all

Not to start any wars, but I saw a piece of news on UK's daily mail.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ane-forced-jets-abort-landing.html

musapapaya

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: RussianJet
Posted 2013-02-24 05:49:52 and read 19785 times.

It's a pain, and it's potentially a serious mistake. But, they're hardly the first airline to have messed up on the ground.

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: Revelation
Posted 2013-02-24 07:08:17 and read 19086 times.

Such dreck:

Quote:

The Aer Lingus plane – about to land on Runway 28, where FR-227 was now taxiing the wrong way – aborted its landing and flew around the airport to come in for another approach. While Aer Lingus flight EI-249 had not been cleared to land, the flight was less than a minute from touchdown when the crew was forced to abort.

In other words, another day at the office...

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: DeltaMD90
Posted 2013-02-24 09:15:22 and read 18459 times.

Wow I could only read 1/2 of the article before clicking out. Not a Ryanair fan, but wow, this article is soooooo overhyped. The Ryanair flight missed his exit and had to back taxi, causing a flight to go around. The controller was kinda unhappy. Calm down people, I don't think the world is over yet

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-02-24 09:48:29 and read 18228 times.

If I am reading the article correctly, FR227 was not cleared by the tower to perform the 180° turn and back-track, which is why the tower had to instruct approaching traffic for that runway to go-around.

That being said, the article does not say if the tower gave specific instructions on how FR227 should have exited the runway or if they just said "expedite vacating the runway", I guess with the assumption they would do so at the end of the runway and not perform a back-track.

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: DeltaMD90
Posted 2013-02-24 09:50:12 and read 18198 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
If I am reading the article correctly, FR227 was not cleared by the tower to perform the 180° turn and back-track, which is why the tower had to instruct approaching traffic for that runway to go-around.

Yeah, FR227 was wrong, but it's hardly earth shattering

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: longhauler
Posted 2013-02-24 09:55:04 and read 18155 times.

I guess these guys have never been to LaGuardia ... everybody gets yelled at by ATC. (Just part of its charm).

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: airbuseric
Posted 2013-02-24 10:20:53 and read 17885 times.

Ah again, Ryanair bashing! What a load of BS.
This is daily practise around the world. These 'mistakes' happen, everywhere, and with any airline.

But in question is Ryanair, so it must be widely reported about in the newspaper.
Safety was granted all time, nothing happened, the ATC did just their work apart from the communication towards the other aircraft, which sounds quite unprofessional to me.

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: ytz
Posted 2013-02-24 10:57:16 and read 17634 times.

A concerning incident from a flight safety perspective (only because it's unclear if the crew and ATC were in sync). That said, the Daily Mail piece is very much over-dramatized.

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: flyingbird
Posted 2013-02-24 11:16:10 and read 17466 times.

Anyone know when this incident took place?

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: abrown532
Posted 2013-02-24 11:22:10 and read 17396 times.

Even though it is Ryanair, the article is by The Daily Mail, so forgive me if I take any facts in this article with a dump truck full of salt...

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: copter808
Posted 2013-02-24 11:40:11 and read 17231 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
That being said, the article does not say if the tower gave specific instructions on how FR227 should have exited the runway or if they just said "expedite vacating the runway", I guess with the assumption they would do so at the end of the runway and not perform a back-track.

Exactly! More of an error in communications

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 8):
Ah again, Ryanair bashing! What a load of BS.

I'm not a Ryanair fan, but what did they do wrong????? The PILOT was the one who made the back taxi.

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: Zkpilot
Posted 2013-02-24 13:05:34 and read 16189 times.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 4):
Wow I could only read 1/2 of the article before clicking out. Not a Ryanair fan, but wow, this article is soooooo overhyped. The Ryanair flight missed his exit and had to back taxi, causing a flight to go around. The controller was kinda unhappy. Calm down people, I don't think the world is over yet

Missed his exit and instead of continuing on to the next exit (at the end of the runway) he made an unauthorised 180 degree turn and back track. That is what the issue is. Aircraft land long all the time and miss the expected exit that is not the issue.

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: shamrock604
Posted 2013-02-24 13:10:32 and read 16040 times.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 8):
Safety was granted all time, nothing happened, the ATC did just their work apart from the communication towards the other aircraft, which sounds quite unprofessional to me.

Indeed, I think the ATCO could have explained the situation to the other crews without identifying the operator of the aircraft. This would have been a more professional approach.

The rest of it is the usual Daily Mail hype. A few aircraft had to conduct a second approach - hardly a reason for a full page spread.

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: CrimsonNL
Posted 2013-02-24 14:13:13 and read 14736 times.

I just died a little on the inside reading this article. I don't even know why I keep clicking these Daily Mail links. This "newspaper" is a good example of the dark side of the freedom of the press.

Martijn

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: EagleBoy
Posted 2013-02-24 14:49:26 and read 14016 times.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 3):
In other words, another day at the office...
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 4):
The controller was kinda unhappy. Calm down people, I don't think the world is over yet
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 6):
eah, FR227 was wrong, but it's hardly earth shattering

While the 180 turn questionable....well, everyone sets up for TOGA on the approach.

Quoting abrown532 (Reply 11):

Even though it is Ryanair, the article is by The Daily Mail, so forgive me if I take any facts in this article with a dump truck full of salt...
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 4):
but wow, this article is soooooo overhyped.

Welcome to the Daily mail guys.......you should read the story of PPL holder seeing a 'gaping hole' in the door of an A380 and EK did not even divert......

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 18):

I just died a little on the inside reading this article. I don't even know why I keep clicking these Daily Mail links.

Love it.

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: DavecFlyer
Posted 2013-02-24 15:01:25 and read 13783 times.

Quoting flyingbird (Reply 10):
Anyone know when this incident took place?

Happened at about 21:40Z on Friday 15th February last.

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: airbuseric
Posted 2013-02-24 15:33:55 and read 13289 times.

Quoting copter808 (Reply 14):
I'm not a Ryanair fan, but what did they do wrong????? The PILOT was the one who made the back taxi.

So what?!

ATC is there to recover these mistakes.
Can be done by any other airline, and is done by any other airline.
But because it is done by Ryanair, it ends up in the media again...
and because it is Ryanair, the ATC controller was mentioning it so clearly to other approaching flights? Quite unprofessional, he surely needs to receive a reprimand.

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: EIDL
Posted 2013-02-24 15:47:45 and read 13073 times.

That chart is absolutely ancient, pretty sure that nothing changed that'd affect what FR did but its showing one more runway than is operational and one less terminal...

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: shamrock604
Posted 2013-02-24 15:51:11 and read 12991 times.

Quoting EIDL (Reply 23):
That chart is absolutely ancient, pretty sure that nothing changed that'd affect what FR did but its showing one more runway than is operational and one less terminal...

Pier D isnt there either, nor Taxiway M2, or the western apron. I hope nobody is using that chart for navigation purposes!  

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: jetmech
Posted 2013-02-24 15:54:00 and read 13186 times.

Quoting EIDL (Reply 23):
That chart is absolutely ancient,

Fair enough. Google maps does show runway 11-29 with big, white "X's" over it, but as you say, the configuration of the taxiways at the end of runway 28 (B7,E7,E6) appears to be correct.

Regards, JetMech

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: VS239
Posted 2013-02-24 16:06:30 and read 12995 times.

Another version of the chart is online at ......

http://www.iaa.ie/safe_reg/iaip/Publ...iles/EIDW/EI_AD_2_EIDW_24-1_en.pdf

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: 71Zulu
Posted 2013-02-24 16:07:48 and read 13128 times.

Google Earth shows about the same as the chart and Piers and other taxiways irrelevant to this incident. So what will happen to this Captain? It seems pretty outrageous what he did, I would love to hear his reasoning. Something like this in the US you would probably looking for a job and a license, I mean to make a u-turn on your own and then taxi against landing traffic when you have two high speeds and a turn off at the end? Almost impossible to believe an airline crew would do this.

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: airbuseric
Posted 2013-02-24 16:21:07 and read 12928 times.

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 27):
It seems pretty outrageous what he did, I would love to hear his reasoning. Something like this in the US you would probably looking for a job and a license, I mean to make a u-turn on your own and then taxi against landing traffic when you have two high speeds and a turn off at the end?

Until the runway is not cleared of the traffic (the FR B738 in question), the runway is not available to any other traffic. So what is the problem safety wise? ATC has the job to secure a safe operation, so they can order go-arounds as per procedures for such happenings.

If there was a mis-understanding, well, that can happen.
Maybe the FR flightcrew had another reason to turn 180º
We just don't know. But we cannot judge... taking away licenses or non-active from flying is a bit much right, or maybe typical the 'American way' to do things?

Like we say in Netherlands, storm in a glass of water. A minor incident happened in DUB, with no further irregularities jeopardizing safety.

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: longhauler
Posted 2013-02-24 16:26:51 and read 12854 times.

Quoting jetmech (Reply 22):
It does seem weird that the aircraft in question could easily have used exit B7 at the end of runway 28, but for some reason, decided to do a 180 and backtrack on the runway to exit E7! I can understand the incredulity of ATC.

The only thing I can think of, is that the aircraft may have misunderstood a statement from ATC.

ATC may have said, "exit on E7, or by E7", meaning (to ATC) that an aircraft was on final behind them and to hurry exiting. However, the aircraft may have interpreted that to mean that B7 was not available, and that E7 was the only exit or the last exit. (This happens sometimes).

That being the case therefore, the aircraft if having passed E7, would do a 180 to exit on E7.

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: shamrock604
Posted 2013-02-24 16:57:20 and read 12505 times.

Quoting longhauler (Reply 29):
The only thing I can think of, is that the aircraft may have misunderstood a statement from ATC.

ATC may have said, "exit on E7, or by E7", meaning (to ATC) that an aircraft was on final behind them and to hurry exiting. However, the aircraft may have interpreted that to mean that B7 was not available, and that E7 was the only exit or the last exit. (This happens sometimes).

That being the case therefore, the aircraft if having passed E7, would do a 180 to exit on E7.

The "standard exit" at DUB for RWY28 ops is E6, which is a high speed exit. The vast majority of arrivals on that runway exit at E6. The standard phraseolgy used is "Exit at E6 or when able".

This crew is most likely to have been DUB or STN based, and so should be very familiar with the airfield. DUB airport are very active in promoting a reduction of Runway occupancy times, as for most of the day, it is a single runway operation that gets quite busy, and this was arrivals peak time.

Therefore, one could assume this was either a non based crew, or perhaps an inexperienced crew. It will be interesting to see what comes out of the investigation.

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: EagleBoy
Posted 2013-02-24 20:15:24 and read 10692 times.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 21):
because it is Ryanair, the ATC controller was mentioning it so clearly to other approaching flights? Quite unprofessional, he surely needs to receive a reprimand.

Well the statement from the ATCo was directly in response to a query from a Ryanair aircraft that had been held due to the disruption caused by a 'company aircraft'...

Quoting jetmech (Reply 22):
It does seem weird that the aircraft in question could easily have used exit B7 at the end of runway 28, but for some reason, decided to do a 180 and backtrack on the runway to exit E7! I can undernd the incredulity of ATC.

The aircraft had been cleared to vacate at earliest exit.....it missed the exit....instead of going on, it did a 180 (without any clearance or announcement) and thus caused the 2 following aircraft to go around.

ATC coverage can be heard here......10.00 for the FR227 landing and 180 turn, 20.00 for the answer to the FR aircraft,

http://archive-server.liveatc.net/eidw/EIDW2-Feb-15-2013-2130Z.mp3

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 28):
Like we say in Netherlands, storm in a glass of water. A minor incident happened in DUB, with no further irregularities jeopardizing safety.

I agree.....at the end o that day no-one was endangered. However I would query the logic of FR227 doing an unauthorised and un-required 180 on an active runway.

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: shamrock604
Posted 2013-02-24 20:27:17 and read 10574 times.

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 31):
The aircraft had been cleared to vacate at earliest exit.....it missed the exit....instead of going on, it did a 180 (without any clearance or announcement) and thus caused the 2 following aircraft to go around.

That's the thing - you just do not do that in Dublin, as a based operator should know. It's a single runway operation, which for an airport handling 20 million pax per year, means a well utilised runway. You get off it as soon as you can, and react quickly to your clearances, like at any other reasonably large airport. Based Ryanair crews know that, and are normally only too happy to progress at the required pace to keep things moving as efficiently as possible. Occasionally however, non based FR crews, and indeed crews from some major international airlines who may not have been here before, think they are operating into sleepy hollow (you should hear some of the US crews on arrival in the mornings, I dont know if it's tiredness, but some of their comms are so unnecesarily long, it gives the impression they think they are the only traffic).

So, perhaps we had a crew member unfamiliar with the airport, and in his haste to assist ATC in vacating as quickly as possible, as was requested, simply made a bad call?

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: L410Turbolet
Posted 2013-02-24 20:47:25 and read 10366 times.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 8):
But in question is Ryanair, so it must be widely reported about in the newspaper.
Safety was granted all time, nothing happened, the ATC did just their work apart from the communication towards the other aircraft, which sounds quite unprofessional to me.

It's free publicity for Ryanair not only in the press but on the airwaves as well. Win-win, is it not?  
Quoting airbuseric (Reply 21):
and because it is Ryanair, the ATC controller was mentioning it so clearly to other approaching flights? Quite unprofessional, he surely needs to receive a reprimand.

I see... So here we have a Ryanair pilot doing some unauthorized stunts at the end of the runway forcing other FR aircraft to abort landing and all you say is... "so what?" and at the same time you want to reprimand the ATCO for merely calling a spade a spade?

[Edited 2013-02-24 21:06:19]

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: jerseyguy
Posted 2013-02-24 22:02:28 and read 9722 times.

There's a perfectly good explanation to why the Ryanair plane took a 180. They only loaded enough fuel to make it via E5 as to not put anymore weight then necessary and increase fuel burn   

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: Bongodog1964
Posted 2013-02-24 23:45:35 and read 8798 times.

It seems quite bizarre, that some people on here have such an ingrained hate of the daily mail, that a pilot performing a 180 turn on a busy runway contrary to instructions, and atc's commenta being reported Verbatim, automatically becomes the newspapers fault.

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: Speedbird128
Posted 2013-02-25 01:01:24 and read 7883 times.

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 17):
Indeed, I think the ATCO could have explained the situation to the other crews without identifying the operator of the aircraft. This would have been a more professional approach.
Quoting airbuseric (Reply 21):
So what?!

ATC is there to recover these mistakes.
Can be done by any other airline, and is done by any other airline.
But because it is done by Ryanair, it ends up in the media again...
and because it is Ryanair, the ATC controller was mentioning it so clearly to other approaching flights? Quite unprofessional, he surely needs to receive a reprimand.

UMMM. Pilots have eyes and ears... Some pilots even have situational awareness knowing who is landing ahead and why they are next to *not* receive a landing clearance... I don't see why is this even an issue?

When I have Airline X shaft one of their own due to non-compliance of speeds etc, I do advise them it was company traffic ahead deviating from assigned heading/speed etc. This is in the hope they talk to each other and get made aware of the situation they caused.

And then on the other hand, a cockpit crew (I would imagine both of them) agree that a 180 on an active runway WITH traffic behind is the best course of action... hmmmmmm.

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: sankaps
Posted 2013-02-25 01:55:51 and read 7205 times.

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 35):
It seems quite bizarre, that some people on here have such an ingrained hate of the daily mail, that a pilot performing a 180 turn on a busy runway contrary to instructions, and atc's commenta being reported Verbatim, automatically becomes the newspapers fault.

Agree completely. It was not just a routine misunderstanding of instructions, it was a fairly serious error or lack of judgment / situational awareness. Sure the Daily Mail wrote an overly long piece on it, but it was still not a minor incident.

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: AndyEastMids
Posted 2013-02-25 03:06:56 and read 6243 times.

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 30):

The "standard exit" at DUB for RWY28 ops is E6, which is a high speed exit. The vast majority of arrivals on that runway exit at E6. The standard phraseolgy used is "Exit at E6 or when able".


If that is the standard phraseology, IMHO (as a pilot) it's very poor phraseology to use, especially with aircrew not familiar with the airport and the way it usually works - how easy to mistake "Exit at E6 or when able" for "Exit at E6 when able" - the latter suggesting a 180 and a backtrack if you roll beyond E6.

Sadly, the recording linked above doesn't include either the landing clearance or any runway exit instructions ATC passed to the flight, so it's not really possible to make any judgements about why the crew might have done the 180.

[Edited 2013-02-25 04:06:01]

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: airproxx
Posted 2013-02-25 04:19:07 and read 5286 times.

Quoting jetmech (Reply 22):

It does seem weird that the aircraft in question could easily have used exit B7 at the end of runway 28, but for some reason, decided to do a 180 and backtrack on the runway to exit E7! I can understand the incredulity of ATC.

Thanks! A least there's one person with the same question than I have.
After reading the story, I just checked on my company's computer the Dublin airport information, to see the runways configuration.
>On rwy 28, there are 3 taxyways available after a "normal" landing distance: E6, E7 and B7, at the very end of the runway.
The runway in 2637m long, which is not what we can call a small airstrip!
>I even checked the Notams, to make sure that no taxyway was closed that day.
There are WIP currently @ EIDW, and the Notam says to check what's closed during "phase 6". I got that checked too, and E6, E7 and B7 are all available without restriction.

So some questions come now:

a/ Whatever the ATC phraseology is, if the crew was indeed based in EIDW, how come they decided to make a 180° turn to vacate the runway, knowing perfectly another traffic was on final to land behind them??
That's probably the poorest decision to make that day, and I do understand the ATC reaction!

b/ Considering that the N°2 traffic behind FR 227 was an AerLingus plane, is it possible that Ryanair did this on purpose, to make AerLingus go aroung deliberatly?

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: Boeing77W
Posted 2013-02-25 04:46:58 and read 4886 times.

Quoting airproxx (Reply 39):
b/ Considering that the N°2 traffic behind FR 227 was an AerLingus plane, is it possible that Ryanair did this on purpose, to make AerLingus go aroung deliberatly?

No matter what you might think of Ryanair and their pilots, please show a scrap of respect for the professionals doing a job. Yes, questionable decisions are made on a frequent basis, in ALL airlines, but to suggest that a crew decided to do this on purpose in a vindictive manner is down right rude. Especially coming from another pilot.

[Edited 2013-02-25 05:08:53]

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: jbetlach
Posted 2013-02-25 05:16:56 and read 4426 times.

It has been a very poor decision, based crew or not. They were listening to radio and had info about landing traffic behind them. It takes longer time to make 180 than to clarify / confirm proper runway exiting with ATC.

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: airproxx
Posted 2013-02-25 06:02:53 and read 3821 times.

Quoting Boeing77W (Reply 40):
No matter what you might think of Ryanair and their pilots, please show a scrap of respect for the professionals doing a job. Yes, questionable decisions are made on a frequent basis, in ALL airlines, but to suggest that a crew decided to do this on purpose in a vindictive manner is down right rude. Especially coming from another pilot.

Get off your high horse please! This is maybe a trouble spot, but as a professional (thanks, indeed, I AM too), I see this event as I treat those in my professional life every day: I won't disregard an option. And this is one.
You think it's rude to suggest that this FR crew did this on purpose? These things can happen. Not that often I admit, but as I lived it once, I can tell... I'm just saying that, as FR behaves in the European skies in down right rude manner, so such an act coming from one of its crew wouldn't be surprising.

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: AndyEastMids
Posted 2013-02-25 07:29:28 and read 3507 times.

I simply do not believe that (as is being suggested above) any professional aviator would backtrack just to thwart a competitor - this isn't just competition, it is potentially passengers lives, and their own lives. It just isn't appropriate thinking. Period.

As I said above, if as someone else suggested the standard instruction on landing at DUB is "Exit at E6 or when able", and if the crew misinterpreted that as "exit at E6 when able" (missing the OR) I can quite understand why, having missed E6, they did a 180. Sure, a "confirm you want us to do a 180 and backtrack" might have been helpful, but another flight on approach isn't as much of an issue as is being stated - if you're asked by ATC to vacate at a certain point, then without visual reference (before the 180 the next airplane was behind them) you do have to have a degree of trust that ATC is asking you to do something reasonable and safe.

There's more to this story and sadly the missing ATC audio would help clarify more of what was said on the r/t and maybe even point towards why the crew acted as they did. The fact that after they'd done a 180 the crew sounded pretty relaxed when asked by Dublin ATC to confirm that they'd done a 180 ("affirm") leads me to suspect that at that time they didn't think they'd done anything wrong.

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: musapapaya
Posted 2013-02-25 08:53:09 and read 3309 times.

Ok I am not a pilot and i only started this threat when i was showed this piece of news. A few things came to my mind:

1. Will the ATC not give specific instruction when you backtrack in a major airport like this? If B7 is closed it will be on the NOTAMS. And if ATC wants you to backtrack it would have been made and requested very clearly.
2. Will FR crew not know their homebase of DUB? Its just like CX crew getting lost in HKG or BA crew in LHR, seems not too possible?

Just my 2 cents....

musapapaya

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: eicvd
Posted 2013-02-25 09:12:59 and read 3232 times.

Quoting musapapaya (Reply 47):
Will FR crew not know their homebase of DUB?

Could easily have been a STN based crew not very familiar with DUB.

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: VV701
Posted 2013-02-25 09:39:29 and read 3162 times.

Quoting flyingbird (Reply 10):
Anyone know when this incident took place?

From the linked article:

"A statement from the IAA revealed that the incident was being treated seriously.

"‘The Irish Aviation Authority is investigating an incident at Dublin Airport on February 15 where an aircraft that landed and was cleared to vacate the runway, completed a 180 degree turn back down the runway,’ said a spokesman"

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: mandala499
Posted 2013-02-25 13:17:56 and read 2550 times.

What I don't get is... why did the tower ask the aircraft to exit at E5 after the 180turn? The plane wanted to exit at E7, Tower said no, and told them to go at E5, citing that the 738 can't make that turn at E7. Whilst I agree that E7 from where they are would be a risky proposition... why not E6 which is wider than B7, E7 and E5, and they would have been able to turn off at E6 even at that angle. Surely that would have saved time... or even do another 180 and exit at B7!

Maybe Tower was startled   

Topic: RE: Daily Mail: 'Ryanair, You Just Screwed Everything'
Username: zippyjet
Posted 2013-02-25 17:32:33 and read 2216 times.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 2):

Sh*t happens. And this is a prime example.


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