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Topic: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: USAirALB
Posted 2013-02-24 13:17:28 and read 9304 times.

This may seem like a silly question, but why do know US airlines have cupholders on the tray tables or seat backs in Y? It seems that most foreign airlines have these installed in their seats in Y. I would have thought that the new AA 773 would have had this feature.

Do they not have them out of cost, or is it a safety reason?

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: ClassicLover
Posted 2013-02-24 13:26:50 and read 9317 times.

Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
This may seem like a silly question, but why do know US airlines have cupholders on the tray tables or seat backs in Y? It seems that most foreign airlines have these installed in their seats in Y

Do you mean the indent on the tray? Or an actual cup holder? I've never seen an actual cup holder on a flight in my life. The closest I have seen is the water bottle holder on Aer Lingus Business Class seats...

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2013-02-24 13:28:05 and read 9301 times.

Seems like something that is just begging to be constantly broken...

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2013-02-24 13:33:32 and read 9288 times.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 1):
Or an actual cup holder? I've never seen an actual cup holder on a flight in my life.

I think he's talking about something like this, which you can see on this AF A320:


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Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-02-24 13:36:44 and read 9250 times.

Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
It seems that most foreign airlines have these installed in their seats in Y.

What airlines are you referring to? I've only ever seen them on AF, and they're fragile and easily broken. Just another unnecessary maintenance burden in my opinion. These days the fewer things that require maintenance the better.

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: USAirALB
Posted 2013-02-24 13:39:22 and read 9244 times.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 2):
Seems like something that is just begging to be constantly broken...

Okay. That makes a lot of sense. The only time I flew on a plane that I had one, the whole "holder" per say was really just flimsy plastic that could probably be easily broken.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 1):
Do you mean the indent on the tray?

It's usually a plastic holder that folds out from either the tray or the seat back. Do a quick cabin search and you'll find plenty examples.

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: IAH59
Posted 2013-02-24 13:41:35 and read 9227 times.

I seen those on Emirates, Qatar Airways, and, Air France.

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: USAirALB
Posted 2013-02-24 13:44:51 and read 9200 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):

LH, KE, SQ, LAN, AF, EX, CX, OS, ANA, TAM, JAL, LX....I could continue, but I'd say most airlines have them.

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: SCL767
Posted 2013-02-24 13:51:27 and read 9149 times.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 7):
LH, KE, SQ, LAN, AF, EX, CX, OS, ANA, TAM, JAL, LX....I could continue, but I'd say most airlines have them.

Every Y seat on LAN's brand new 763s and 787s now has two cup holders.

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: ClassicLover
Posted 2013-02-24 13:51:37 and read 9148 times.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 7):
LH, KE, SQ, LAN, AF, EX, CX, OS, ANA, TAM, JAL, LX....I could continue, but I'd say most airlines have them.

Interesting, I fly all the time and have never seen them. Or maybe once... and that's flying QF, AA, EI, FR, BA, U2, AY, CX, RJ, UA, AS, RE, SN... so saying that "I'd say most airlines have them" is pretty wrong.

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: aloges
Posted 2013-02-24 13:53:41 and read 9137 times.

They may be an extra item, but they do provide a lot of comfort for their price, which must be pennies. You always have somewhere to put your drink, you also have a place for your empty cup and that empty cup also serves as a receptacle for your gum papers, the plastic wrappers from the meal tray and all those used napkins - fewer of which will have to be removed from seat pockets after the flight.

The ones on LH seem to be as easily replaced as they are broken and removed. Put a dozen of these light, cheap and safety-irrelevant parts somewhere in the galley, show the F/As how to replace them and bang, that's maintenance taken care of - or does even that sort of thing have to be "installed" by a certified mechanic?

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2013-02-24 13:57:13 and read 9095 times.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 9):
CX,

Clearly visible on CX in this trip report:

The Cathay Pacific Intercontinental Marathon (by NZ107 Jul 2 2012 in Trip Reports)

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: questions
Posted 2013-02-24 13:59:20 and read 9075 times.

Slightly off topic, but in line with seat details... why do US airlines, exception may be UA long haul, not use the (usually white) headrest protectors (attached to top of seat with velcro)?

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: USAirALB
Posted 2013-02-24 14:00:48 and read 9040 times.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 9):
Interesting, I fly all the time and have never seen them. Or maybe once... and that's flying QF, AA, EI, FR, BA, U2, AY, CX, RJ, UA, AS, RE, SN... so saying that "I'd say most airlines have them" is pretty wrong.

I also think it depends on whether your flying on a long-haul aircraft, or a short-haul aircraft.

RJ, CX, SN all have them on their long haul aircraft.

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-02-24 14:05:07 and read 9007 times.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 7):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):


LH, KE, SQ, LAN, AF, EX, CX, OS, ANA, TAM, JAL, LX....I could continue, but I'd say most airlines have them.

I've flown on LH and LX within the past month and can't recall seeing any cupholders.

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: USAirALB
Posted 2013-02-24 14:12:10 and read 8951 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
I've flown on LH and LX within the past month and can't recall seeing any cupholders.

Again, it all depends on whether you fly an long-haul aircraft or not.

LH 748: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Lufth...d=6d2d482cd7d132c6ead8e90eac241cd9
LH A333: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Lufth...d=6d2d482cd7d132c6ead8e90eac241cd9

LX A343: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Swiss...d=158852f67c2d49a5f1e99e7472f1a8d3

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-02-24 14:17:27 and read 8920 times.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 15):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
I've flown on LH and LX within the past month and can't recall seeing any cupholders.

Again, it all depends on whether you fly an long-haul aircraft or not.

All shorthaul. Can't recall them on KL 737s, E-190s, Fokker 70s or LH A320s.

In any case, what's the point of the cupholder when you have a meal tray that works just as well?

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: SCL767
Posted 2013-02-24 14:19:57 and read 8912 times.

Quoting aloges (Reply 10):
They may be an extra item, but they do provide a lot of comfort for their price, which must be pennies. You always have somewhere to put your drink, you also have a place for your empty cup and that empty cup also serves as a receptacle for your gum papers, the plastic wrappers from the meal tray and all those used napkins - fewer of which will have to be removed from seat pockets after the flight.

Very accurate statement! Also, LAN's decision to instal two individual cup holders in every seat in Y on its new widebody a/c ensures that one cup holder is always accessible during the flight.

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: aloges
Posted 2013-02-24 14:30:51 and read 8847 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16):
In any case, what's the point of the cupholder when you have a meal tray that works just as well?

The cup holder is better at holding the cup, e.g. you can hardly knock a cup off it. It also takes up far less of what little space you get in an economy seat.

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: USAirALB
Posted 2013-02-24 14:33:50 and read 8832 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16):
what's the point of the cupholder when you have a meal tray that works just as well?

So when you have just a drink, you don't have to put the tray down. I hate having my table down, but I am often forced to when I have a drink.

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-02-24 15:06:26 and read 8677 times.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 19):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16):
what's the point of the cupholder when you have a meal tray that works just as well?

So when you have just a drink, you don't have to put the tray down. I hate having my table down, but I am often forced to when I have a drink.

I've always been reluctant to use the AF cupholders as they look so flimsy. Also, if the passenger in front reclines the seatback suddenly it could slosh the contents of the drink onto your lap. That's much less likely if your drink is on the meal tray as it doesn't move when the seatback is reclined, unlike the cupholder which is attached to the seatback.

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: strfyr51
Posted 2013-02-24 15:36:08 and read 8550 times.

I think that if you were to look at the frequencies per day per airplane and the Number of airplanes it most USA based fleets you might see that the cup holder won't pass Muster in the additional expense of installing and maintaining them.

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2013-02-24 16:25:57 and read 8405 times.

Quoting aloges (Reply 10):
show the F/As how to replace them and bang, that's maintenance taken care of - or does even that sort of thing have to be "installed" by a certified mechanic?

I'm pretty sure that would violate at least two contracts 

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: max999
Posted 2013-02-24 16:57:32 and read 8313 times.

Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):

Do they not have them out of cost, or is it a safety reason?
Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 21):
I think that if you were to look at the frequencies per day per airplane and the Number of airplanes it most USA based fleets you might see that the cup holder won't pass Muster in the additional expense of installing and maintaining them.

Of course there's an additional cost! Many non-US carriershave the cupholders (as shown in the pics above) so it's clear they're willing to invest a small amount in their Y product to improve customer satisfaction. When it comes to US airlines decision not to invest, it's probably purely based on some bean counter's recommendation.

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: koruman
Posted 2013-02-24 19:17:21 and read 8043 times.

Americans and their mania for cup-holders.

It reminds me of Bill Bryson's book about returning to the USA after years in England. He was particularly tickled by the guy who took his brand-new desktop computer back to the store "because the cup-holder had broken". It was, of course, the CD-ROM drive.

Why would any airline choose to install an appendage which was so easy to break? I watched Australian state TV's expose last week of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter debacle, and the problem was the same: when a product has been designed with too many parts which can malfunction the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: OB1504
Posted 2013-02-24 19:29:07 and read 8445 times.

Quoting max999 (Reply 23):
Of course there's an additional cost! Many non-US carriershave the cupholders (as shown in the pics above) so it's clear they're willing to invest a small amount in their Y product to improve customer satisfaction. When it comes to US airlines decision not to invest, it's probably purely based on some bean counter's recommendation.

This is because customers in the United States don't care about satisfaction, they care about price. Would you pay more than you had to just to fly an airline with cup holders?

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: bohica
Posted 2013-02-24 20:49:37 and read 8217 times.

ACA had cup holders on their J41 aircraft. The biggest problem with them was that when opened, they were too close to the seat back and the angle of the seat back meant the cups had to be angled to get them into the cup holder. You had to drink about a third of your beverage before you could put the cup into the cup holder without spilling it. Some of the later J41's delivered from BAE had modified cup holders which solved the problem.

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: airportugal310
Posted 2013-02-24 21:17:56 and read 7980 times.

Quoting max999 (Reply 23):

What is it with people and "bean counters" on this site?

Signed,
A bean counter

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: spacecadet
Posted 2013-02-24 21:18:21 and read 7979 times.

Quoting koruman (Reply 24):
Americans and their mania for cup-holders.

You realize this is about how everybody *but* US airlines has cup-holders installed, right?

This seems it would be more about the rest of the world's mania for cup-holders.

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: N243NW
Posted 2013-02-24 21:19:54 and read 7979 times.

Quoting koruman (Reply 24):
It reminds me of Bill Bryson's book about returning to the USA after years in England. He was particularly tickled by the guy who took his brand-new desktop computer back to the store "because the cup-holder had broken". It was, of course, the CD-ROM drive.


Was it A Walk in the Woods, by any chance? Great book.

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 25):
This is because customers in the United States don't care about satisfaction, they care about price. Would you pay more than you had to just to fly an airline with cup holders?

   Until a US airline can prove beyond reasonable doubt that passengers will view the addition of a cupholder as a differentiating trait between their product and that of a competitor, I doubt you will see any installed for cost reasons.

[Edited 2013-02-24 21:20:23]

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: Schweigend
Posted 2013-02-24 22:01:33 and read 7607 times.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 19):
So when you have just a drink, you don't have to put the tray down. I hate having my table down, but I am often forced to when I have a drink.

Yes! That would be the main thing for me, too. In coach class, there is nowhere to set your drink, unless the tray table is down, which can be cumbersome. J or F seats, of course, have integral cup holders or at least a 4x5" flat spot on the armrest and an extendable mini-tray.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 20):
I've always been reluctant to use the AF cupholders as they look so flimsy.

I'd definitely want something sturdy for that. And how is the stability of the cupholder when the person in the seat it's attached to moves around or reclines? Does it stay horizontal? Does it have slosh-dampeners?  
Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 21):
I think that if you were to look at the frequencies per day per airplane and the Number of airplanes it most USA based fleets you might see that the cup holder won't pass Muster in the additional expense of installing and maintaining them.

Yessir. The only way I can picture an effective Y-class cupholder is to somehow make it part of the armrest instead of the seatback. But is there enough room?

Quoting questions (Reply 12):
Slightly off topic, but in line with seat details... why do US airlines, exception may be UA long haul, not use the (usually white) headrest protectors (attached to top of seat with velcro)?

I don't know. It seems a smart thing to protect the headrests from passengers' hair products and natural oils, and it is preferable to rest your head on something you know is clean, especially on a long flight when likely you'll be sleeping!

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: TSS
Posted 2013-02-24 23:40:30 and read 7015 times.

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 30):
Yessir. The only way I can picture an effective Y-class cupholder is to somehow make it part of the armrest instead of the seatback.

Agreed. At the end of the armrest more or less where the individual ash trays used to be (and where some seats now have plates blocking off the former ash tray holes) is the only truly practical location for a cupholder.

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 30):
But is there enough room?

For a permanent, fixed-position cupholder which would be the most durable design, no, there isn't. With the narrow armrests that are currently the norm with Y-class seats, a cupholder that folded out of the end of the armrest and rotated 90 degrees similar to how the tray tables on exit row seats operate would be necessary, and that would be dramatically more expensive than a fixed-position cupholder.

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: YLWbased
Posted 2013-02-25 01:02:34 and read 6655 times.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 9):
Interesting, I fly all the time and have never seen them. Or maybe once... and that's flying QF, AA, EI, FR, BA, U2, AY, CX, RJ, UA, AS, RE, SN... so saying that "I'd say most airlines have them" is pretty wrong.

CX and RJ have them forever, so you're wrong.

YLWbased

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: cmf
Posted 2013-02-25 01:18:17 and read 6586 times.

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 21):
I think that if you were to look at the frequencies per day per airplane and the Number of airplanes it most USA based fleets you might see that the cup holder won't pass Muster in the additional expense of installing and maintaining them.

Pretty sure US based airplanes average less number of flights than European due to longer average flight length.

Also doubt there is much difference in how often Americans brake them compared to Europeans so it becomes a question about how many times and then the European is in more danger.

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: LH422
Posted 2013-02-25 03:16:27 and read 6128 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16):
In any case, what's the point of the cupholder when you have a meal tray that works just as well?

My main reason for liking the cupholder is to be able to get out of the seat before my drink has been emptied or collected.

I can see why people are worried these things might break all the time but I can't recall ever seeing a broken cup holder on a flight.

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: toobz
Posted 2013-02-25 03:27:04 and read 6078 times.

Love these!! I guess if you have never had a flight with them it may be hard to grasp why they are great. A lot if times you only have a drink in front of you. You can get up freely but you also are more comfortable seated without the tray in front of you. Nowadays especially when food is a thing if the past. On a lot of European routes you still get a sandwich, which u don't need the tray down either for. It's purely cost savings, the reason US carriers don't have them.

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: B2468
Posted 2013-02-25 03:27:37 and read 6097 times.

MU has the cup holders on its 346 aircraft.

Yeah, they are pretty damned flimsy...I have probably repaired at least half a dozen cup holders that were busted by my seat mates (including my wife, who uses the lavatory every damned hour...I now let her sit on the aisle). However, they are flimsy plastic, and they snap back into place pretty easily.

I think the holders are very convenient...they hold the cup quite securely, even in turbulent air. Although, the F/As never pick up my empty cup! And, given that I am usually heavily drugged/unconscious on any flight over 8 hours, that gets to be a pain in the ass.

As for US airlines on long haul, I don't know...I almost never fly them...I always go for Asian carriers, either MU, CA, KE, or SQ. However, I only remember the cup holders on MU.

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: B777LRF
Posted 2013-02-25 03:57:39 and read 5927 times.

SK used to have cupholders as well on the MD80s. Don't know what the case is on the Airbii or Boeings, but they're not to be found on the CRJs. Always found them very handy to have around, but not of any significant importance.

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 27):
What is it with people and "bean counters" on this site?

Signed,
A bean counter



Harry Stonecipher: Bought McD for Boeing, using Boeing's money and then turned it from an engineering to an accounting firm because he was a bean-counter and bean-counting is all he knew. Wasn't really very good at that either, when push came to shove.

Howard Hughes: Not a bean-counter
Sir Richard Branson. Not a bean-counter
Freddy Laker: Not a bean-counter
Tony Fernandes: Not a bean-counter
Dude what started Southwest: Not a bean-counter.

That's why. Though not all bean-counters are bad; far from it actually. I know a couple of really good eggs, as I'm sure many other with a career in business does. It's just that they must never be allowed final say, or to run the show.

[Edited 2013-02-25 04:02:22]

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: DTW2HYD
Posted 2013-02-25 05:52:33 and read 5285 times.

Because anything smaller than 24oz is not acceptable here.

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: max999
Posted 2013-02-25 06:37:51 and read 5000 times.

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 27):
What is it with people and "bean counters" on this site?

Signed,
A bean counter

I believe 'cost management professionals' have a more difficult time making business recommendations based on factors which are more qualitative in nature.

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: max999
Posted 2013-02-25 06:50:35 and read 4911 times.

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 25):
This is because customers in the United States don't care about satisfaction, they care about price. Would you pay more than you had to just to fly an airline with cup holders?

Cupholders are just a minor item when it comes to the entire flying experience. If the seat has them, it's a sign that the airline invests in its product. So for me personally, yes I would pay more if I knew the airline had overall better customer service. While Americas all think differently, there are many people who pay attention to these things like I do.

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2013-02-25 07:12:36 and read 4741 times.

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 25):
This is because customers in the United States don't care about satisfaction, they care about price. Would you pay more than you had to just to fly an airline with cup holders?

Customers everywhere care about price, it's not just the US. They all *say* they care about service, but they aren't willing to pay a dime extra for it the world 'round.

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: debonair
Posted 2013-02-25 07:47:51 and read 4535 times.

Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
This may seem like a silly question, but why do know US airlines have cupholders on the tray tables or seat backs in Y?

What about...


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Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2013-02-25 09:23:28 and read 3925 times.

Quoting bohica (Reply 26):
ACA had cup holders on their J41 aircraft. The biggest problem with them was that when opened, they were too close to the seat back and the angle of the seat back meant the cups had to be angled to get them into the cup holder. You had to drink about a third of your beverage before you could put the cup into the cup holder without spilling it. Some of the later J41's delivered from BAE had modified cup holders which solved the problem.

Yes, I remember that.

And I remember one particularly turbulent IAD-EWR flight where everyone in the last couple rows wore their beverages off the plane.  

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Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: asctty
Posted 2013-02-25 10:26:36 and read 3491 times.

Jet2 have had fold down metal cup holders for ages since they installed the slimline seats - which are very comfortable on short-haul by the way!

Big version: Width: 190 Height: 190 File size: 10kb


[Edited 2013-02-25 10:27:51]

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: L0VE2FLY
Posted 2013-02-25 11:04:16 and read 3238 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):
What airlines are you referring to? I've only ever seen them on AF, and they're fragile and easily broken. Just another unnecessary maintenance burden in my opinion. These days the fewer things that require maintenance the better.

At least those cup holders come in handy, unlike the electronically tinted windows on the 787, which allow the crew to override pax and darken them however, whenever they wish, as the planes age those window are likely to malfunction just like the IFE screens. Imagine booking a window seat only to find your window stuck on the darkest setting!      

I hope the electronic tinting won't be a standard feature on future airliners, including the A350.

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: strfyr51
Posted 2013-02-25 11:23:26 and read 3122 times.

Quoting max999 (Reply 23):



You can make BOOK that a Bean counter would veto it! They're Naturally Myopic AND just plain Cheap!

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: YULWinterSkies
Posted 2013-02-25 11:31:57 and read 3068 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 20):
I've always been reluctant to use the AF cupholders as they look so flimsy. Also, if the passenger in front reclines the seatback suddenly it could slosh the contents of the drink onto your lap. That's much less likely if your drink is on the meal tray as it doesn't move when the seatback is reclined, unlike the cupholder which is attached to the seatback.

You seem to pay a lot of attention to AF cup holders, which are greatly convenient to me, but the bottom line is that you do not have to use them. It's not a seat belt.

Quoting LH422 (Reply 34):
My main reason for liking the cupholder is to be able to get out of the seat before my drink has been emptied or collected.

I can see why people are worried these things might break all the time but I can't recall ever seeing a broken cup holder on a flight.

Indeed, but I do recall multiple broken IFE (broken = crashing and having issues for much of the flight),

Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 45):
At least those cup holders come in handy, unlike the electronically tinted windows on the 787, which allow the crew to override pax and darken them however, whenever they wish, as the planes age those window are likely to malfunction just like the IFE screens.

At least they won't prevent the "dream"liner to fly, unlike the batteries. But yeah, I do agree with you. Cup holders are more relevant to comfort in my opinion than some fancy electronic control of window transparency etc etc...

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: JBAirwaysFan
Posted 2013-02-25 12:10:22 and read 2813 times.

I always use the seat back pouch as a holder for bottled drinks. Other than that there's the indent in the tray table that works just fine for the cups the airline uses.

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: HALFA
Posted 2013-02-25 12:16:49 and read 2777 times.

Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):

This may seem like a silly question, but why do know US airlines have cupholders on the tray tables or seat backs in Y?

You will be happy to find out that there is one US Airline with cup holders in the seat backs, and that is Hawaiian Airlines.
The cup holders are not standard across our fleet, but they can be found on 4 of our 767's that came to us from LTU Airlines.
And just a side note, I don't recall ever seeing a broken one.

Aloha,
HALFA

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: airportugal310
Posted 2013-02-25 16:23:49 and read 2349 times.

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 46):
You can make BOOK that a Bean counter would veto it! They're Naturally Myopic AND just plain Cheap!

Or we can go the a.net way where every airline has every kind of plane "because it just makes sense..." or paint every airplane every color in the Crayola Crayon 64pk because "it's pretty"  

Yup...

Topic: RE: No Cup-holders In Y Class On US Airlines?
Username: OB1504
Posted 2013-02-25 19:12:50 and read 2194 times.

Quoting max999 (Reply 40):
Cupholders are just a minor item when it comes to the entire flying experience. If the seat has them, it's a sign that the airline invests in its product. So for me personally, yes I would pay more if I knew the airline had overall better customer service. While Americas all think differently, there are many people who pay attention to these things like I do.

As mentioned above, Virgin America has cupholders on their fleet. Remind me again how they're doing financially.

It's only an investment if it pays off, and cupholders simply aren't worth it in the domestic United States market.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 41):
Customers everywhere care about price, it's not just the US. They all *say* they care about service, but they aren't willing to pay a dime extra for it the world 'round.

  


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