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Topic: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: infiniti329
Posted 2013-02-23 17:06:27 and read 16377 times.

Once the DL gets their hands on FL's 717s, would they be looking to grow it from the 88 planes or keep it flat? If they choose to grow there a few 717s around the world begging to be flown again. Along with the airlines who are currently flying these birds but will happily shed them DL if they get a good deal. But that adds another question would DL be willing to put the $$$ into these birds to make them airworthy again??

Example of some the 717s around the world that are on long term vacations

12 + 717s (from Midwest, TWA, & Mexicana Click @ VCV)
7 (from Turkmenistan)

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: toltommy
Posted 2013-02-23 17:13:15 and read 16356 times.

I think it depends on how the integration of the 88 goes. If it is as successful as DL hopes, odds are they'll look to add frames.

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: DLDiamondboy
Posted 2013-02-23 17:37:11 and read 16202 times.

Quoting toltommy (Reply 1):

I can see DL making it work since they are happy with the MD-90's.

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2013-02-23 17:50:00 and read 16099 times.

Quoting infiniti329 (Thread starter):
12 + 717s (from Midwest, TWA, & Mexicana Click @ VCV)
7 (from Turkmenistan)

QF has just taken 5, I think former Click frames but it might have been Turkmenistan.

Either way, 5 have just left the market.

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: FL787
Posted 2013-02-23 18:58:34 and read 15785 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 3):
QF has just taken 5, I think former Click frames but it might have been Turkmenistan.

Interesting. Does anyone know for certain where these 5 are coming from?

This is the breakdown of 717s AFAIK:

88 FL/WN/DL
18 HA
13 QF
9 Volotea
9 Blue1
7 Turk.
11 ex-Click (in storage)
155 total

I thought Volotea was supposed to take the last 11 ex-Click birds but it wouldn't surprise me at all if that changed.

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2013-02-24 08:44:04 and read 11324 times.

I still maintain that the DL 717's would be a great fit to their west-coast operations.

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: ripcordd
Posted 2013-02-24 08:46:24 and read 11300 times.

I wish the MD-80 line would have stayed I love the 2x3 seating...

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: sxf24
Posted 2013-02-24 08:58:32 and read 11161 times.

Quoting infiniti329 (Thread starter):
12 + 717s (from Midwest, TWA, & Mexicana Click @ VCV)

These aircraft are not on the market. Not sure where they're going, but they are not being marketed/offered.

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: cv880
Posted 2013-02-24 09:15:31 and read 11034 times.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 5):
I still maintain that the DL 717's would be a great fit to their west-coast operations.

A bigger, more comfortable aircraft that may signal some stability (or permanency) in the West Coast markets, rather than the "here today, gone tomorrow" RJ's.

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: nethkt
Posted 2013-02-24 11:58:38 and read 9837 times.

Quoting ripcordd (Reply 6):
I wish the MD-80 line would have stayed I love the 2x3 seating...

Same here, it gives you options to play with when seating pax. 2-3, good idea.
And I like those 2 hair dryer jets in the back, awesome stuff.

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: DTWPurserBoy
Posted 2013-02-24 14:11:04 and read 8884 times.

I liked the way DL "flipped" the 2 x 3 seating with the two on a/c right and threeon a/c left. This way it made for a large workable aft galley. Unfortunately, these have now all been removed and seats added.

The MD-90's came with the traditional seating. The overhead bins can get a little tricky and they fill up fast.

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: bigbird
Posted 2013-02-24 14:41:09 and read 8609 times.

Will DL re-register the 717 from the AT regs. into into a DL series reg.?

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: PIEAvantiP180
Posted 2013-02-24 16:00:27 and read 7980 times.

Quoting bigbird (Reply 11):

That is usually not what they do, my bet is the regs stay the same.

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: akelley728
Posted 2013-02-24 16:13:00 and read 7868 times.

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 10):
The MD-90's came with the traditional seating. The overhead bins can get a little tricky and they fill up fast.

At least they now have the extended overhead bins like the MD-88s, so the bins don't fill quite as fast.

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: type-rated
Posted 2013-02-24 16:24:53 and read 7749 times.

Do they have 3+3 seating on the 717? I thought it was always 3+2 across.

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: KGRB
Posted 2013-02-24 16:56:37 and read 7494 times.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 14):

It will be 2+3 in Economy/Economy Comfort and 2+2 in First.

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: DTWPurserBoy
Posted 2013-02-24 17:29:10 and read 7344 times.

Never understood why DL could care less about the reg numbers. They just keep what is on it. Might be a cost item,I suppose.

I remember the grumbling when US started using the "US" suffix on their numbers which NW had used for years.

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: DTWPurserBoy
Posted 2013-02-24 17:33:20 and read 7325 times.

Did I miss someting? Did DL say they were taking FL's 717's? I am usually more with it.

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: United1
Posted 2013-02-24 17:37:16 and read 7308 times.

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 17):

Did I miss someting? Did DL say they were taking FL's 717's? I am usually more with it.

They are leasing all 88 of them from WN...the first few should start arriving during Q3 IIRC.

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: DeltaMD90
Posted 2013-02-24 18:00:27 and read 7219 times.

Quoting United1 (Reply 18):
They are leasing all 88 of them from WN...the first few should start arriving during Q3 IIRC.

Are they leasing them from WN? I thought they were going through Boeing...

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: tan flyr
Posted 2013-02-24 18:12:07 and read 7168 times.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 5):
I still maintain that the DL 717's would be a great fit to their west-coast operations.

I concur! I would think that easily 10-15 frames could be based at SLC and replace RJ's to a number of stations, Such as FAT. It would also add a bit of flexibilty to service levels at non-peak times to larger cities. By scheduling a couple a day thru such spots as DTW/MSP or even STL they could be rotated to ATL for checks.

DL would be wise to consider as the combined AA/US will be formidible competitior in many western markets.

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: mplsjefe
Posted 2013-02-24 18:19:52 and read 7137 times.

Quoting tan flyr (Reply 20):

I concur! I would think that easily 10-15 frames could be based at SLC and replace RJ's to a number of stations, Such as FAT. It would also add a bit of flexibilty to service levels at non-peak times to larger cities. By scheduling a couple a day thru such spots as DTW/MSP or even STL they could be rotated to ATL for checks.

Doesn't DL now do MD88/90 checks at MSP? If yes, I would assume they would do the 717 checks there as well?

[Edited 2013-02-24 18:21:06]

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: United1
Posted 2013-02-24 18:24:12 and read 7100 times.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 19):
Are they leasing them from WN? I thought they were going through Boeing...

Boeing is kicking in about $40M (ontop of WNs $100M) to reconfigure the aircraft to DLs specs. The aircraft are being subleased from WN to DL....I am sure Boeing Capital owns most of the 712s and leases them to WN.

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: TrijetsRMissed
Posted 2013-02-25 00:31:44 and read 6702 times.

I predict DL will begin buying the 717s and owning outright, as they begin to come off lease in 2017. During this time, a large number will be acquired secondhand as well. While the majority will be used for active service, some will be parted out prematurely to fortify the long term future of the greater fleet. An active fleet of 100-120 frames.

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: DeltaMD90
Posted 2013-02-25 06:07:47 and read 6454 times.

Quoting United1 (Reply 22):
Boeing is kicking in about $40M (ontop of WNs $100M) to reconfigure the aircraft to DLs specs.

Lol DL sure did a good job negotiating that deal

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: B727FA
Posted 2013-02-25 14:04:08 and read 6273 times.

There is a cost associated with re-registration that DL usually prefers to skip.

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: Coronado
Posted 2013-02-25 14:19:58 and read 6326 times.

Quoting B727FA (Reply 25):
There is a cost associated with re-registration that DL usually prefers to skip.

NWA was exactly the same. I think Delta just this past month retired N401EA, who would have thought Delta operating an aircraft with Eastern Airlines on the registration for all these years. Why spend the money?

Plus, It is a lot more interesting to see some suffiixes NC still flying around and wonder '' is it that long since North Central was merged into Republic? (1979 for those who don't want to look it up).

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: infiniti329
Posted 2013-02-25 16:23:24 and read 6234 times.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 19):
Are they leasing them from WN? I thought they were going through Boeing..

WN is subleasing them to DL. WN is the actual lease holder for the 88 717's

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2013-02-25 16:34:11 and read 6193 times.

Quoting bigbird (Reply 11):

They don't care. The N registrations will not change. All Delta cares about are the fleet numbers. This is really what everyone within the company knows an a/c by including the ramp. Makes me wonder what it will be.

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: United1
Posted 2013-02-25 16:53:39 and read 6114 times.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 24):
Quoting United1 (Reply 22):
Boeing is kicking in about $40M (ontop of WNs $100M) to reconfigure the aircraft to DLs specs.

Lol DL sure did a good job negotiating that deal

Potentially it depends on the lease rates that DL got for the aircraft...

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2013-03-02 11:15:58 and read 5572 times.

Apparently, deliveries for 2013 is being expedited. Initially, about 8 were to be offloaded. Now the number is 16.

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: woodsboy
Posted 2013-03-02 11:33:28 and read 5462 times.

Ive always that it was interesting that an aircraft keeps its original reg#, you have an immediate idea of where that plane started and its history. One of Everts Air Cargo DC-6s had, until it was retired in 2009, the original United Airlines registration from its service in the 1950s with UA, thats pretty cool.

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: MIflyer12
Posted 2013-03-02 11:57:14 and read 5378 times.

Quoting woodsboy (Reply 31):
Apparently, deliveries for 2013 is being expedited. Initially, about 8 were to be offloaded. Now the number is 16.

Sixteen was the number cited in the July 2012, Delta press release.

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: Newark727
Posted 2013-03-02 12:43:16 and read 5262 times.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 28):
They don't care. The N registrations will not change

Two of the ex-Hello MD-90s (planespotters.net says 9218 and 9219 but they've been wrong before) used more than one N-reg as they entered Delta service. Not quite sure why.

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: NWAROOSTER
Posted 2013-03-02 13:01:57 and read 5194 times.

The only reason for Delta to re register an aircraft is if the aircraft was registered from foreign country and it does NOT have a US registration beginning with a N, such as N444DL.   

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: NWAROOSTER
Posted 2013-03-02 13:10:00 and read 5166 times.

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 16):

Never understood why DL could care less about the reg numbers. They just keep what is on it. Might be a cost item,I suppose.

I remember the grumbling when US started using the "US" suffix on their numbers which NW had used for years.

I think, but could be wrong, that Northwest Airlines paid the FAA for the exclusive right to use the US suffix on their aircraft N number registration under the Nyrop reign. They eventually lost the exclusive right to do so.   

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: antoniemey
Posted 2013-03-02 13:26:22 and read 5075 times.

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 34):
The only reason for Delta to re register an aircraft is if the aircraft was registered from foreign country and it does NOT have a US registration beginning with a N, such as N444DL.

They also re-registered a couple of 88s that had been erroneously registered out of sequence when originally delivered, but both registrations remained in use, they just, in the end, switched airframes.

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: TZTriStar500
Posted 2013-03-02 15:11:37 and read 4859 times.

Quoting FL787 (Reply 4):
This is the breakdown of 717s AFAIK:

88 FL/WN/DL
18 HA
13 QF
9 Volotea
9 Blue1
7 Turk.
11 ex-Click (in storage)
155 total

I thought Volotea was supposed to take the last 11 ex-Click birds but it wouldn't surprise me at all if that changed.

The 13 with QF Link are actually operated by Cobham and QF has stated they will be adding 5 more. The 11 ex-MX Click & YX birds were held by BCC for Volotea, but they have yet to take any more than the 9 they have. So my guess the 5 more for Cobham are getting may be coming from this batch or possibly Turkmenistan is getting rid of theirs, I am not certain. Cobham took 2 of the ex-MX Click & YX birds from BCC last year.

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2013-03-02 18:22:44 and read 4517 times.

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 32):
Sixteen was the number cited in the July 2012, Delta press release.

My mistake. I thought there were originally suppose to be 8 conversions for 2013.

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: DTWPurserBoy
Posted 2013-03-03 14:00:22 and read 3791 times.

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 35):
I think, but could be wrong, that Northwest Airlines paid the FAA for the exclusive right to use the US suffix on their aircraft N number registration under the Nyrop reign. They eventually lost the exclusive right to do so.

I don't believe you can pay an arm of the federal government for exclusive rights to a tail number. You can "reserve" them. What may have more to do with it is that Donald Nyrop was head of the FAA prior to joining Northwest and it may have been done as a professional courtesy.

BTW, Nyrop was a great man. He had his quirks but he ran a tight airline.

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: NWAROOSTER
Posted 2013-03-03 16:40:23 and read 3530 times.

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 39):
Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 35):
I think, but could be wrong, that Northwest Airlines paid the FAA for the exclusive right to use the US suffix on their aircraft N number registration under the Nyrop reign. They eventually lost the exclusive right to do so.

I don't believe you can pay an arm of the federal government for exclusive rights to a tail number. You can "reserve" them. What may have more to do with it is that Donald Nyrop was head of the FAA prior to joining Northwest and it may have been done as a professional courtesy.

BTW, Nyrop was a great man. He had his quirks but he ran a tight airline.

Your response is most likely the correct scenario. The first Northwest aircraft that used the US suffix in their N number was the six DC-8s operated. N801US through N806US. They were soon sold to the original National Airlines.   

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: dtw9
Posted 2013-03-03 18:28:50 and read 3394 times.

Someone is selling these on e-bay for $18. Get your copy now




[Edited 2013-03-03 18:31:02]

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: B727FA
Posted 2013-03-03 22:15:57 and read 3075 times.

That would be interesting to see...wonder what's inside! Thanks for sharing!

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: DTWPurserBoy
Posted 2013-03-04 04:21:21 and read 2885 times.

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 40):
Your response is most likely the correct scenario. The first Northwest aircraft that used the US suffix in their N number was the six DC-8s operated. N801US through N806US. They were soon sold to the original National Airlines

I would have to check the exact delivery dates but my vote would be for the Lockheed Electra as the first frames to have the "US" suffix. IIRC the Electras started coming on line with N121US (unfortunately, later lost in an accident) in 1959 and I am almost sure the DC-8's did not come online until early 1960. NW might have gotten a late 1959 delivery on one or two.

The DC-8 just did not meet the range needed by NW and was soon superseded by the Boeing 707-320B which was much better suited.

Topic: RE: DL 717 Fleet Growth
Username: GSPSPOT
Posted 2013-03-04 07:03:44 and read 2699 times.

Quoting ripcordd (Reply 6):

I wish the MD-80 line would have stayed I love the 2x3 seating...

EXACTLY! Same here. I always look for MD80-series or 767 a/c for medium-to-long-haul flights just so there will be some seats on the "2" side in the main cabin!


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