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Topic: SNA Airport Thread
Username: KLAXAirport
Posted 2013-03-06 13:13:36 and read 4082 times.

Anyone have any news about SNA?
How are Interjet and WestJet doing?
How is AirTran on its INTL flights?
Any new flights coming?


Cheers,
KLAXAirport   

[Edited 2013-03-06 13:17:30]

Topic: RE: SNA Airport Thread
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-03-06 13:16:33 and read 4068 times.

IIRC, WN is discontinuing their MDW-SNA service (again), and US is going from 7x to 5x daily on PHX-SNA.

Topic: RE: SNA Airport Thread
Username: jporterfi
Posted 2013-03-06 13:22:24 and read 4039 times.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 1):
US is going from 7x to 5x daily on PHX-SNA.

This is probably due to competition with WN on the route.

I flew WN from SNA-PHX, and then from PHX-SNA. IMO, it's a good alternative to LAX for people in OC. There has been talk on A.net about WN starting SNA-ATL. Personally, I don't think this is going to happen, because WN already has same-plane service SNA-PHX-ATL, and I don't think that the route has enough demand for WN to directly compete with DL's nonstop service.

Topic: RE: SNA Airport Thread
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2013-03-06 13:43:13 and read 3989 times.

For new flights, the next formal slot shuffle is not until the fall and effective January 1st, 2014.

Airport will likely release a few temporary slots in June again based on activity numbers if it looks like slots are not being used fully as allocated.

For Interjet - they have been only operating for about 3 full months now but GDL seems to be definitely the stronger of the two destinations they serve.

Topic: RE: SNA Airport Thread
Username: KLAXAirport
Posted 2013-03-06 13:51:23 and read 3961 times.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):

For new flights, the next formal slot shuffle is not until the fall and effective January 1st, 2014.

Airport will likely release a few temporary slots in June again based on activity numbers if it looks like slots are not being used fully as allocated.

For Interjet - they have been only operating for about 3 full months now but GDL seems to be definitely the stronger of the two destinations they serve.

Do you know how WestJet is doing?

Cheers,
KLAXAirport   

Topic: RE: SNA Airport Thread
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2013-03-06 14:07:13 and read 3900 times.

I'd still like to see AS or QX start SNA-SJC flights. LAX-SJC has like 7 carriers now, but SNA-SJC is a WN monopoly on that well trafficked high-tech route.

I would think AS could do well on SNA-Hawaii if they had the equipment. The 738s can't do it westbound without some restrictions and AS's 737-700s aren't ETOPS capable.

I flew an AS 737-700 out of SNA last week and you can barely notice the noise abatement procedure. I noticed that climb power was a little less than normal climb power, but a non-airplane person probably no longer even notices the difference. AS doesn't even announce what they are going to do anymore, like they did on the MD-80s and 734s.

Topic: RE: SNA Airport Thread
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2013-03-06 14:13:52 and read 3884 times.

Considering WestJet dropped YYC and now only serves YVR and returned a slot we can assume WJ hometown Calgary was not doing too hot for some reason.

I guess kinda interesting as they manage 2x daily to YYC from LAX, plus a YEG nonstop. In addition PSP and SAN also can support service YYC.

Topic: RE: SNA Airport Thread
Username: PHXFlyer16
Posted 2013-03-06 15:29:23 and read 3750 times.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 1):

I was on the 7:15 last night from SNA to PHX. Only about 40 people on the flight. Everyone had their own row. Strangely I did not get upgraded though. I suspect it was because nearly everyone on the flight was traveling for business like I was.

Topic: RE: SNA Airport Thread
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2013-03-06 15:48:12 and read 3710 times.

Quoting PHXFlyer16 (Reply 7):
I was on the 7:15 last night from SNA to PHX. Only about 40 people on the flight. Everyone had their own row. Strangely I did not get upgraded though. I suspect it was because nearly everyone on the flight was traveling for business like I was.

Lucky you. I was on the 8:10pm AS flight to SEA last Wednesday and it was the "Disneyland Special". Not only was it completely full, but it was a plane full of screaming children the entire flight, especially pre-takeoff. It was one of the most miserable flights I've ever been on from that standpoint (not that AS's crew wasn't great, as usual, and the flight was perfectly on-time and well run).

Topic: RE: SNA Airport Thread
Username: KLAXAirport
Posted 2013-03-06 17:59:59 and read 3543 times.

It would be great to have a SNA-Hawaii flight yet again. Also, Toronto would be great again but I remember being on that flight and the FA said it was unsuccessful. O well...

Cheers,
KLAXAirport   

Topic: RE: SNA Airport Thread
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2013-03-06 18:12:15 and read 3526 times.

Quoting KLAXAirport (Reply 9):
SNA-Hawaii

I think WN is the best hope for that. And I can see it as one of the first 5-7 routes when they start. With UA or DL popping up seasonally every now and then.

And for the sake of the airport itself, I really think the voters should've voted to have El Toro be the new SNA when they had the chance. Many more opportunities with the longer runways and just all-around larger air field.

[Edited 2013-03-06 18:25:16]

Topic: RE: SNA Airport Thread
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2013-03-06 20:19:16 and read 3389 times.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 10):
And for the sake of the airport itself, I really think the voters should've voted to have El Toro be the new SNA when they had the chance. Many more opportunities with the longer runways and just all-around larger air field.

And the community clearly felt the other way, buy a significant majority. (60-40)

Anyhow - even if El Toro was to become a commercial field, its location was bad.
Not only is it located South and inland from the bulk of OC populance as compared to SNA which at the end would have made LAX yet again the preferred alternative for many, studies showed El Toro would have performance restrictions on commercial ops as it sits at the base of hills limiting both ILS operations, and also take-off performance.

Topic: RE: SNA Airport Thread
Username: FedExFlyerPHL
Posted 2013-03-06 20:47:44 and read 3343 times.

With US cutting back on their PHX frequencies from 7 to 5, I wonder if they could/would use those other two to run a SNA-PHL and SNA-CLT daily. I had heard in the past that there was talk of a n/s flight to PHL. If timed right, they could connect to PHL European flights (if an early morning flight) and CLT Caribbean flights (if a red eye). Any thoughts.

Jeff

Topic: RE: SNA Airport Thread
Username: PlanesNTrains
Posted 2013-03-06 23:27:20 and read 3219 times.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 10):
Quoting KLAXAirport (Reply 9):SNA-Hawaii
I think WN is the best hope for that.

I might be wrong but I thought only the 738's would be ETOPS-certified? I might be remembering wrong. Regardless, if the 73G's aren't ETOPS, they likely won't be doing this route either.

-Dave

Topic: RE: SNA Airport Thread
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2013-03-07 00:00:11 and read 3187 times.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 13):
Regardless, if the 73G's aren't ETOPS, they likely won't be doing this route either.

Aloha made it work, even using SNA as a mini-hub to serve CA, NV, and I think even PHX. Are the Air Tran 737s ETOPS certified? If so, they can use those with their business cabin to HNL and maybe even OGG. I really think SNA can support at least 1 daily in the summer/winter to HNL, and 3-5x weekly in the off season.

Besides CO and Aloha, has any other airline at least attempted SNA-Hawaii?

Topic: RE: SNA Airport Thread
Username: chrisair
Posted 2013-03-07 00:29:52 and read 3175 times.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 14):
If so, they can use those with their business cabin to HNL and maybe even OGG.

Well, let's look at a few things: WN does not serve Hawaii. WN has not announced Hawaii. Now, considering WN is converting the AirTran 73Gs to WN 73Ws, and they're converting FL routes to WN routes, this is highly unlikely. In fact, I'm going to go out on a limb and say it won't happen.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 14):
Besides CO and Aloha, has any other airline at least attempted SNA-Hawaii?

No.

Quoting PHXFlyer16 (Reply 7):
I was on the 7:15 last night from SNA to PHX. Only about 40 people on the flight.

I assume you took the US flight? WN's PHX-SNA flights are generally pretty full.

Topic: RE: SNA Airport Thread
Username: PlanesNTrains
Posted 2013-03-07 01:20:32 and read 3132 times.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 14):
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 13): Regardless, if the 73G's aren't ETOPS, they likely won't be doing this route either.
Aloha made it work

Aloha made it work with 73G's. Unless WN does ETOPS on the 73G's in their fleet, they won't be doing SNA-Hawaii.

-Dave

Topic: RE: SNA Airport Thread
Username: WWTRAVELER99
Posted 2013-03-07 05:59:55 and read 3040 times.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
And the community clearly felt the other way, buy a significant majority. (60-40)

Yes you are correct but it took 3 votes in oder for them to be convinced they didnt want an airport. Many scare tactic were used. If memory serves me correctly the fisrt vote was 60/40 for the airport. Second was just a bit of 50%. The third vote....well we all know what happened. As far as all the performance issuse I am not familiar enough with that in order to comment.


WW

Topic: RE: SNA Airport Thread
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2013-03-07 08:05:15 and read 2797 times.

Not to rehash the El Toro debate, but it was not just the public that voted against it but OC county supervisors also had a divided voice and could not reach the super majority needed to authorize certain things.

Additionally the airport became a rather messy North vs South battle in OC, with North being far away and pushing for the airport, and the South county residents who passionately opposed the airport as it was in their midst. It was a toxic mess.

Also don't forget, in addition the actual airport vote itself, County residents also strongly approved another ballot measure that required 2/3 vote for approval land use projects including prisons, waste dumps and yes airport. This would have been another hard hurdle to overcome.


Anyhow - in hindsight, I suspect even the pro-airport folks might be thankful they did not build it today. Post 9/11 changed the landscape of the industry, and the El Toro airports business case was very much built around assumption that demand for flights will double by 2010, and triple by 2020. The 7.8mil OC baseline passenger number they were using has barely budged, now sitting at 8.9mil almost 15-years later. Facility might truly have been a costly white elephant.

Topic: RE: SNA Airport Thread
Username: wnflyguy
Posted 2013-03-07 10:34:05 and read 2184 times.

I just went thru WN's over water/near International training two weeks ago.
During the class we were trained on life raft evacuations for BOTH 737-800 and 737-700.
Questions were asked during class about the 737-700 life raft training.
We were told that Airtran has 12 737-700's that have life rafts.
WN planning on converting them to ETOPS because The current all 175 coach layout makes the 737-800 to heavy for Hawaii Socal ops because of seasonal head winds.
LAS and PHX are out of the question because of weights.
But a sub fleet of 12 737-700 ETOPS will have no restrictions and this also opens the door for BUR and SNA for Hawaii.
The Sub fleet also gives WN the legs to reach central and north south America with ETOPS 737-700 from SNA.
But there also been a lot of talk about WN now switching some 800's orders for 2016 to 900ER to operate Hawaii service also.

wnfg        

Topic: RE: SNA Airport Thread
Username: USAirALB
Posted 2013-03-07 11:16:09 and read 2032 times.

Quoting FedExFlyerPHL (Reply 12):
wonder if they could/would use those other two to run a SNA-PHL and SNA-CLT daily. I had heard in the past that there was talk of a n/s flight to PHL. If timed right, they could connect to PHL European flights (if an early morning flight) and CLT Caribbean flights (if a red eye). Any thoughts.

There was talk of this last year as well. I am really surprised US doesn't fly SNA-CLT/PHL.

Topic: RE: SNA Airport Thread
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2013-03-07 13:05:41 and read 1644 times.

US Airways already tried SNA-PHL twice and SNA-CLT once.

Did not last long.
US To Fly PHL-SNA (by ContinentalEWR Feb 5 2003 in Civil Aviation)
US Airways At SNA And LGB. (by wnflyguy Sep 2 2011 in Civil Aviation)

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