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Topic: SFO In The 1970's
Username: JoePatroni707
Posted 2013-03-07 15:23:09 and read 4445 times.

I was wondering where I could find some pictures of SFO in the mid-late 70s. Particularly terminals interior and exterior, and location of the various airlines. SFO in the 70's is where I caught the "aviation bug" going to work at times with my father. Looking for some old pics and diagrams to bring back memories.

Topic: RE: SFO In The 1970's
Username: mikesairways
Posted 2013-03-07 15:35:00 and read 4413 times.

If you are around in the SFO area this weekend, highly recommend you attend:

http://www.sfoairlineshow.com/

Topic: RE: SFO In The 1970's
Username: deltacto
Posted 2013-03-07 15:42:47 and read 4389 times.

SFO Terminal Map from 1975

http://web.archive.org/web/200602110...inals.topcities.com/SFOmap1975.jpg

Topic: RE: SFO In The 1970's
Username: SFOA380
Posted 2013-03-07 17:34:36 and read 4229 times.

Amazing--there wasn't a single European carrier as recent as 1975...

Topic: RE: SFO In The 1970's
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2013-03-07 18:51:56 and read 4110 times.

Quoting SFOA380 (Reply 3):
Amazing--there wasn't a single European carrier as recent as 1975...

BOAC, predecessor to British, flew into SFO until about 1972 although it was from HKG, not LHR. British Caledonian served SFO-LAX-LHR (or maybe LGW?) for very very short time in the mid-70s. But yeah, as you point out there was no BA, AF, KL or LH at SFO in the historical days.

PA and TW occasionally each has a 707 SFO-LHR, but it wasn't consistent. Looking back at old timetables, sometimes you see a non-stop to LHR and sometimes you don't.

When I was growing up in the SFO area in the early 70s, the main international carriers were CP Air, JAL, QANTAS and Philippine. Braniff did the daily DC-8-62 SFO-LAX-South America.

Air Canada started YYC around 1974 or 1975. Then British came a around 1977 with LHR. TACA came sometime around then too. The others came later.

Other interesting facts. The only place CO flew to from SFO was ABQ. DL had a DC-8 routed SFO-LAX-SJU. National had that odd-ball SFO-ATL that's been discussed in other threads. PSA and Air California started Electras to TVL in the mid-70s. UA had those milk runs like SFO-SCK-MOD-MCE-FAT-VIS. PSA had many daily SFO-SMF flights. Hughes Airwest had a daily DC-9 SFO-PSC non-stop (along with many other interesting routings).

Topic: RE: SFO In The 1970's
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2013-03-07 18:54:26 and read 4103 times.

Quoting deltacto (Reply 2):
SFO Terminal Map from 1975

Ahhh, I forgot China Airlines. CAAC started 747SPs into SFO around that time too. IIRC it was three days a week at one point. Twice a week there was a tag-on PEK-SFO-JFK and once a week PEK-SFO-LAX.

Topic: RE: SFO In The 1970's
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-03-07 19:04:07 and read 4073 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 4):
Quoting SFOA380 (Reply 3):
Amazing--there wasn't a single European carrier as recent as 1975...

BOAC, predecessor to British, flew into SFO until about 1972 although it was from HKG, not LHR.

BOAC operated all the way from LHR to SFO with a stop at JFK, then continued to HNL, HND and HKG (and same routing eastbound), as part of their around-the-world service. Started in the late 1950s and ended in the early '70s when they dropped both the North Pacific route via SFO and Tokyo and the similar South Pacific route to SYD via LAX, HNL and NAN. The route to SYD originally was also routed via SFO but switched to LAX at some point. I think BOAC had become British Airways shortly before those routes ended.

The North Pacific route via Tokyo began with the Bristol Britannia and then switched to the 707-436 after about a year. The South Pacific route to/from SYD began with the 707-436 and then switched to the Super VC-10.

Topic: RE: SFO In The 1970's
Username: legacyins
Posted 2013-03-07 19:04:22 and read 4073 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 5):
Ahhh, I forgot China Airlines. CAAC started 747SPs into SFO

That would be Air China (CA). China Airlines is Taiwan. Unless, since diplomatic relations between the US and China were not until 1979, CAAC was used by Taiwan (ROC)?

[Edited 2013-03-07 19:14:18]

I answered my own question. Found a pic in the database of an China Airlines 707 at SFO in 1971.




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Topic: RE: SFO In The 1970's
Username: mtnwest1979
Posted 2013-03-07 19:06:21 and read 4067 times.

Back then, my dad and I would fly BOI-SFO-ONT every January. Do BOI-SFO on UA, SFO-ONT on WA, back via PSA and to BOI on UA.
Loved going thru SFO. I recollect having a milk shake or sundae in central terminal, watching planes line up and t/o from South Terminal. And a few other things I remember. Great trips.

Topic: RE: SFO In The 1970's
Username: timz
Posted 2013-03-07 19:17:37 and read 4020 times.

Think LH 707s flew to SFO too, in the 1960s. Dunno offhand when they dropped it.

Topic: RE: SFO In The 1970's
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2013-03-07 19:32:19 and read 3979 times.

Quoting legacyins (Reply 7):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 5):
Ahhh, I forgot China Airlines. CAAC started 747SPs into SFO

That would be Air China (CA). China Airlines is Taiwan. Unless, since diplomatic relations between the US and China were not until 1979, CAAC was used by Taiwan (ROC)?

No, Air China and China Airlines are two different things. China Airlines (CI, callsign "Dynasty") is Tawainese. CAAC is the original mainland government of China airline, in which Air China (CA) is a successor.

I was referring to two different airlines above, although the two sentences aren't very clear. I meant that I forgot that China Airlines (CI) served SFO. Then I next mentioned that also CAAC (different airline) started 747SPs into SFO. I can see how it confusingly sounded like I meant China Airlines and CAAC were once in the same.

Topic: RE: SFO In The 1970's
Username: 26point2
Posted 2013-03-07 19:41:53 and read 3964 times.

Remember the old observation deck? It looked down onto the Hughes Airwest ramp as I recall. I remember the F-27 and DC-9. What other carriers shared that ramp? I was a young lad and spent many hours out there.

When I was 12 or 13 years old Mom used to drop me at SFO with a couple of $ in my pocket so I could explore the terminal...then pick me up a few hours later. I suppose that sort of thing wouldn't happen today.

Topic: RE: SFO In The 1970's
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2013-03-07 19:53:15 and read 3934 times.

Quoting timz (Reply 9):
Think LH 707s flew to SFO too, in the 1960s. Dunno offhand when they dropped it.

I wasn't aware of that. Are you sure? Anybody have any more info

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 6):
BOAC operated all the way from LHR to SFO with a stop at JFK, then continued to HNL, HND and HKG (and same routing eastbound), as part of their around-the-world service.

Ahhh. I knew about SFO-HNL-HND-HKG, but not the SFO-JFK-LHR part. I just looked. It was March 31, 1974 when BOAC and BEA merged to become British. The SFO flight was stopped in 1971 or 1972.

A recall British Caledonian coming into SFO for a very short time as a tag-on from LAX. I remember seeing it, and I remember my grandfather telling me that some friends told him it was the best going to London. Anyone have any details on this? Seems like it was around 1973 or 1974.

Topic: RE: SFO In The 1970's
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-03-07 20:15:30 and read 3889 times.

Quoting timz (Reply 9):
Think LH 707s flew to SFO too, in the 1960s. Dunno offhand when they dropped it.

Yes, LH timetables from 1964, 1966 and 1968 show LH 707 service to SFO via YUL (and either LHR or ORY). Varied from about 3 to 5 per week during most of the 1960s, always via YUL. Looks like they dropped SFO around late 1968 or early 1969 and replaced it with LAX. SFO is no longer on their route map as of April 1969.

Their April 1970 timetable has no SFO service and 3 Polar route 707's a week from FRA to LAX via either DUS or HAM (no longer via YUL). One light stopped at HAM, one at DUS, and one at both DUS and HAM.

Topic: RE: SFO In The 1970's
Username: AirlineBrat
Posted 2013-03-07 21:51:39 and read 3745 times.

My dad worked for United when I was a kid. Before Terminal 3 was constructed, I remember United having two wings. One was the round ended terminal with the first jetways that were designed for jets. There are pictures on-line of that terminal with jetways that accessed the front and rear doors of the DC-8's. The other terminal had a gate area that was underground. You boarded the plane from the gate area using escalators that accessed the jetways. The underground terminal served United 747 flights to Hawaii and had posters advertising the cities in Hawaii that United served which were HNL and ITO. I also remember statues of Menehune men and fake tropical vegetation in that room. I think I remember flights to JFK and EWR going out of that terminal as well. I have searched all over the web trying to find images of those old terminals. They would have been located north of the new American/Virgin America terminal. There is a aviation museum in the new international terminal covering the history of commercial aviation and SFO. I have visited the museum in the past but didn't have time to search for the right documents. One of these days, I would like to spend some more time there and see if I can find reference to United's old terminals at SFO.

[Edited 2013-03-07 21:53:49]

[Edited 2013-03-07 21:54:15]

Topic: RE: SFO In The 1970's
Username: ItalianFlyer
Posted 2013-03-08 08:13:09 and read 3427 times.

So Hughes ran 20 plus flights out of just 3 gates that were split ops between 2 different terminals???? OUCH

[Edited 2013-03-08 08:15:33]

Topic: RE: SFO In The 1970's
Username: psa1011
Posted 2013-03-08 09:36:07 and read 3307 times.

Quoting AirlineBrat (Reply 14):
My dad worked for United when I was a kid. Before Terminal 3 was constructed, I remember United having two wings. One was the round ended terminal with the first jetways that were designed for jets. There are pictures on-line of that terminal with jetways that accessed the front and rear doors of the DC-8's. The other terminal had a gate area that was underground. You boarded the plane from the gate area using escalators that accessed the jetways. The underground terminal served United 747 flights to Hawaii and had posters advertising the cities in Hawaii that United served which were HNL and ITO. I also remember statues of Menehune men and fake tropical vegetation in that room. I think I remember flights to JFK and EWR going out of that terminal as well. I have searched all over the web trying to find images of those old terminals. They would have been located north of the new American/Virgin America terminal. There is a aviation museum in the new international terminal covering the history of commercial aviation and SFO. I have visited the museum in the past but didn't have time to search for the right documents. One of these days, I would like to spend some more time there and see if I can find reference to United's old terminals at SFO.

I would love to know what happened to those underground areas...

Topic: RE: SFO In The 1970's
Username: jsnww81
Posted 2013-03-08 09:36:32 and read 3307 times.

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 15):
So Hughes ran 20 plus flights out of just 3 gates that were split ops between 2 different terminals???? OUCH

That's a legacy of the three-way merger in 1968 that created Air West. Both Pacific Air Lines and West Coast Airlines served SFO and the merged carrier kept separate gates. Pacific was much larger at SFO (it was headquartered there) - West Coast just had a few daily flights up to Oregon, via Sacramento.

Topic: RE: SFO In The 1970's
Username: malaysia
Posted 2013-03-08 09:55:46 and read 3272 times.

Is the Pier G where UAX flights operate out of currently? amazing to see anything big parked there but I guess it was pretty much only DC-8/707 for the International carriers or once in a while a 747

Topic: RE: SFO In The 1970's
Username: timz
Posted 2013-03-08 10:18:32 and read 3228 times.

Quoting AirlineBrat (Reply 14):
The other terminal had a gate area that was underground.

Why was it underground? What was on top of it? Where was it? Where did passengers enter it from curbside?

Turns out LH started SFO in 1960. The June 1962 QR OAG shows a nonstop BOAC SFO-LHR twice weekly-- oddly enough, on two of the same days as the thrice-weekly flight via NY. It's not in the August 1962, or in any other one I checked.

[Edited 2013-03-08 10:21:50]

Topic: RE: SFO In The 1970's
Username: USAirALB
Posted 2013-03-08 14:16:36 and read 2497 times.

Quoting psa1011 (Reply 16):
Quoting AirlineBrat (Reply 14):My dad worked for United when I was a kid. Before Terminal 3 was constructed, I remember United having two wings. One was the round ended terminal with the first jetways that were designed for jets. There are pictures on-line of that terminal with jetways that accessed the front and rear doors of the DC-8's. The other terminal had a gate area that was underground. You boarded the plane from the gate area using escalators that accessed the jetways. The underground terminal served United 747 flights to Hawaii and had posters advertising the cities in Hawaii that United served which were HNL and ITO. I also remember statues of Menehune men and fake tropical vegetation in that room. I think I remember flights to JFK and EWR going out of that terminal as well. I have searched all over the web trying to find images of those old terminals. They would have been located north of the new American/Virgin America terminal. There is a aviation museum in the new international terminal covering the history of commercial aviation and SFO. I have visited the museum in the past but didn't have time to search for the right documents. One of these days, I would like to spend some more time there and see if I can find reference to United's old terminals at SFO.
I would love to know what happened to those underground areas...

I second this. I searched on the web for about 15 minutes but found nothing.

Topic: RE: SFO In The 1970's
Username: audidudi
Posted 2013-03-08 14:46:50 and read 2255 times.

Quoting deltacto (Reply 2):

I do not see PSA (Pacific Southwest Airlines) on the SFO Terminal Map 1975, but they were definitely flying in and out of SFO back then because I flew on them many times.

Topic: RE: SFO In The 1970's
Username: timz
Posted 2013-03-08 14:50:06 and read 2215 times.

They're there-- ticket counter in the Central Term and gates in the 30s.

Topic: RE: SFO In The 1970's
Username: audidudi
Posted 2013-03-08 15:08:40 and read 2079 times.

Quoting timz (Reply 22):

Correct! I totally missed it! Apologies!

Topic: RE: SFO In The 1970's
Username: bohica
Posted 2013-03-08 20:19:59 and read 1709 times.

Quoting AirlineBrat (Reply 14):
The other terminal had a gate area that was underground. You boarded the plane from the gate area using escalators that accessed the jetways. The underground terminal served United 747 flights to Hawaii and had posters advertising the cities in Hawaii that United served which were HNL and ITO. I also remember statues of Menehune men and fake tropical vegetation in that room. I think I remember flights to JFK and EWR going out of that terminal as well. I have searched all over the web trying to find images of those old terminals. They would have been located north of the new American/Virgin America terminal.

IIRC, it wasn't a separate terminal but a separate pier attached to the central terminal. In fact it was known as Pier B. It was located approximately where the current 60's gates are being renovated for UA. I don't believe it was actually underground but on the lower level of the pier. The lower level had no windows which made it look like it was underground. When entering the pier, you took an escalator downstairs then you walked down a dingy cinderblock hallway to the holding area for the Hawaii flights. The upstairs part of the pier also had holding areas for other flights such as transcons. Also all passengers arriving on inbound flights were directed to the upper level to keep the downstairs area from getting too crowded.

The connector between Pier B and the Central Terminal once housed the longest moving sidewalk in the world at one time.

There was also a "dungeon" under Pier E in the South Terminal. This pier was used by AA and RW upstairs and the dungeon was used by Air California. You went down an escalator then walked the length of the pier down a cinderblock hallway to get to Air California's gate.

Quoting psa1011 (Reply 16):
I would love to know what happened to those underground areas...

Pier B was torn down to make room for the old AA concourse in the North terminal, which is now being renovated for UA. Pier E was torn down to make room for the current DL concourse.

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 15):
So Hughes ran 20 plus flights out of just 3 gates that were split ops between 2 different terminals???? OUCH

Most RW flights were operated out of the Central Terminal. Only a handful of DC9 flights were out of the south terminal. The gate was a short walk from the Central Terminal.

Quoting malaysia (Reply 18):
Is the Pier G where UAX flights operate out of currently? amazing to see anything big parked there but I guess it was pretty much only DC-8/707 for the International carriers or once in a while a 747

Pier G was the international pier until the Central Terminal was renovated for International flights. They used to cram 747's in that pier. There would be several Pan Am 747's, CAAC, JAL, China Airlines, Philippine, and a few others there. After the Central Terminal was renovated to become the International Terminal, Pier G housed US, PS, WN, CO, HA, and PA domestic flights. There might be a few other airlines I'm forgetting. Pier G was torn down after the new International terminal was built. It sat near the current Concourse A. Some UAX flights operate out of the old Pier F, which is now Concourse B.

BTW Concourse B (Piers F and FF) is the only concourse at SFO still remaining in its original form since the South Terminal was originally built. It has been remodeled a few times but it is still the original structure.

One thing I will never forget was TWA's huge electronic Arrival/Departure board at the entrance to Pier F which made that distinctive tick-tick-tick-tick-tick.......sound every time the flight information was changed.


Everything I mentioned in this post is from memory from when I was a little child through my teen years. There may be a couple inaccuracies and i apologize if there are any. It's been a while.   

Topic: RE: SFO In The 1970's
Username: AirlineBrat
Posted 2013-03-08 21:37:07 and read 1654 times.

Quoting bohica (Reply 24):
When entering the pier, you took an escalator downstairs then you walked down a dingy cinderblock hallway to the holding area for the Hawaii flights.

OK.... I remember the escalator that led you downstairs. I vaguely remember walking to the escalator and that there were windows to the east that let the sunlight in. You made a 30 or 45 degree turn to the right before you got to that escalator. I think the last time I was in the lower gate area, I was 7 or 8 years old (1973?). Terminal 3 (called the North Terminal back then) opened in 1974. By then my father had transferred from UA's station at EWR to SFO and married my stepmother who was a flight attendant based in SFO. She started flying for UA's in the late 60's and flew the Hawaii flights at the time. My dad started on 3/9/64 which by the 80's was good enough seniority to get me on many full flights. He retired after the Loma Prieta earthquake.

I have a ceramic tile celebrating UA's move to the new terminal in '74 and I think we toured the new facility before it opened to the public. I also remember the introduction of the new 767's. They had one of the first aircraft delivered over at the maintenance facility at the north end of the airport. Employees and guests were invited to an open house where you were able to board the 767 and check out the cabin. They also had a DC-8 Freighter on display. I have pictures of that event somewhere. I even took a picture of Richard Ferris who was UA's CEO at the time.


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