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Topic: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: columba
Posted 2013-02-17 22:49:08 and read 38584 times.

Found this picture on the internet of the first A320 for Lufthansa, thought I share this with you:
http://imageshack.us/a/img560/8012/201302147797m1200.jpg

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: PlanesNTrains
Posted 2013-02-17 22:56:34 and read 38557 times.

Looks sharp!

-Dave

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: JU068
Posted 2013-02-17 23:52:10 and read 38160 times.

When will it join the fleet, will it be based in MUC or FRA? Will it be used on some longer flights?

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: musapapaya
Posted 2013-02-18 00:00:20 and read 38083 times.

looks awesome, cant wait to jump on it for a ride and see if passengers can tell the difference!

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2013-02-18 00:51:29 and read 37725 times.

Quoting musapapaya (Reply 3):

looks awesome, cant wait to jump on it for a ride and see if passengers can tell the difference!

They won't. There's enough variability from one flight to the next that the sharklets wouldn't alter the "feel" of the takeoff or landing to the passengers.

I've been on many 737's and 757's before and after winglets and it makes no difference to the passenger other than looking cool out the window.

In fact, I recently flew aboard a HA 717 and I found it rather quaint that it had no wingtip devices at all.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-02-18 00:59:37 and read 37672 times.

Looks hot and sharp 

EK413

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: LH422
Posted 2013-02-18 01:11:04 and read 37546 times.

Quoting JU068 (Reply 2):
When will it join the fleet, will it be based in MUC or FRA?

According to http://www.lh-taufnamen.de/lufthansa/ it and another sharklet A320 will join the fleet February 28. Don't know at which hub though.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: rlwynn
Posted 2013-02-18 01:22:23 and read 37386 times.

Why is it called a sharklet? Looks just like a winglet to me.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-02-18 01:29:24 and read 37353 times.

Quoting rlwynn (Reply 7):
Why is it called a sharklet? Looks just like a winglet to me.

Boeing have winglets, Airbus have sharklets 

EK413

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: B747forever
Posted 2013-02-18 01:33:32 and read 37288 times.

Quoting LH422 (Reply 6):
Quoting JU068 (Reply 2):When will it join the fleet, will it be based in MUC or FRA?
According to http://www.lh-taufnamen.de/lufthansa/ it and another sharklet A320 will join the fleet February 28. Don't know at which hub though.

Doesnt LH rotate their short haul birds throughout the whole system?

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: LZ129
Posted 2013-02-18 01:37:41 and read 37245 times.

Quoting JU068 (Reply 2):
will it be based in MUC or FRA?

And don't rule out HAM, DUS, TXL, STR and CGN

Quoting B747forever (Reply 9):
Doesnt LH rotate their short haul birds throughout the whole system?

They do to some extent. Nonetheless each aircraft has its own home base.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: flyingalex
Posted 2013-02-18 01:38:50 and read 37229 times.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 9):
Doesnt LH rotate their short haul birds throughout the whole system?

Yes, but not that often. And aircraft will be based at either FRA or MUC and fly routes from that airport. Every now and then an aircraft is moved to the other hub.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: LH422
Posted 2013-02-18 01:39:55 and read 37230 times.

Quoting LZ129 (Reply 10):
And don't rule out HAM, DUS, TXL, STR and CGN

I wonder if there will be any birds left at these bases when the new 4U restructuring is complete.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: 3rdGen
Posted 2013-02-18 01:50:39 and read 37128 times.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 9):
Quoting rlwynn (Reply 7):
Why is it called a sharklet? Looks just like a winglet to me.

Boeing have winglets, Airbus have sharklets 

EK413

Its just nomenclature. Airbus couldn't call it winglets or they'd be said to be stealing the idea from Boeing. So sharklets it is.

The big advantage of the new devices is higher take-off weight, longer range and lower fuel burn. All things that airlines want. Expect a lot of A320s to be retrofitted in the next few years, so you'll see a lot more airlines with these sharklets who don't necessarily have them on order right now.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: Vasu
Posted 2013-02-18 02:36:13 and read 36676 times.

Very nice...

Anyone else think it looks like it's sticking its finger up at the photographer?!

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: EagleBoy
Posted 2013-02-18 02:51:10 and read 36311 times.

Quoting rlwynn (Reply 7):
Why is it called a sharklet? Looks just like a winglet to me.

"What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;"

Marketing and copyright reasons. Airbus can't use the Boeing term, additionally Airbus would not want to be seen to be copying Boeing.......which is how the public may view it.

I really like the original design which was actually quite similar to a shark dorsal fin....it did look good. The final design is just like the winglets on the B737/B757

[Edited 2013-02-18 03:28:51]

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: zkojq
Posted 2013-02-18 02:58:41 and read 36132 times.

It looks fine.......but they could have made it look much better by painting the Sharklets blue and maybe even putting the Lufthansa Crane on them.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: clydenairways
Posted 2013-02-18 02:59:38 and read 36136 times.

Quoting rlwynn (Reply 7):
Why is it called a sharklet? Looks just like a winglet to me.

It's just a marketing name so they can call it anything then want. Some of the earlier designs looked more like actual shark fins but the final one chosen just ended up looking like existing designs.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: N14AZ
Posted 2013-02-18 03:08:21 and read 35888 times.

Quoting columba (Thread starter):
Found this picture on the internet of the first A320 for Lufthansa, thought I share this with you:
http://imageshack.us/a/img560/8012/2...0.jpg

I am currently in China and cannot open that link. Maybe it's too large, maybe something different. Do you have an alternative link? Was it posted on one of the typical Hamburg spotter forums?

Quoting zkojq (Reply 16):
It looks fine.......but they could have made it look much better by painting the Sharklets blue and maybe even putting the Lufthansa Crane on them.

Sounds good, like TK does and - correct me if I am wrong - Condor as well.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: flood
Posted 2013-02-18 03:17:50 and read 35712 times.

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 13):
Expect a lot of A320s to be retrofitted in the next few years

On that note, JetBlue just received their first sharklets and will start retrofit work on N821JB today.
http://twitpic.com/c4djt2

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: overcast
Posted 2013-02-18 03:34:42 and read 35250 times.

Quoting flood (Reply 19):
On that note, JetBlue just received their first sharklets and will start retrofit work on N821JB today.
http://twitpic.com/c4djt2

Just to clarify, I don't think this a true retrofit. It's just replacing the wing fences with sharklets. It looks like the wing is to the current(sharklet ready) standard.

The proper retrofit, including wing mods, will not be available till later this year.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: 3rdGen
Posted 2013-02-18 03:38:23 and read 35158 times.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 16):
I was of the opinion that it was not a retrofit option. Obviously I must read more.

There will be two "types" of retrofits so to speak:

1. Newer A320s were built with new wing structures which which will allow for a quick switch to sharklets, no work is required on the wing structure itself. Basically this was an interim solution since testing and approval for the sharklets was not complete, however, its benefits were obvious.

2. Older A320s will need to have more extensive work done on the wing structure itself before the sharklets can be attached. Might not see too many A320s undergoing this fix, however, if I'm not mistaken airbus already has a plan ready for how this work is to be done if any airlines do opt for it.

So we should see quite a few 320s that were built in the last year or so flying with sharklets in the near future.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: 3rdGen
Posted 2013-02-18 03:45:08 and read 35022 times.

Quoting overcast (Reply 20):
Just to clarify, I don't think this a true retrofit. It's just replacing the wing fences with sharklets


That sounds like a retrofit, here's the definition:

ret·ro·fit (rtr-ft)
v. ret·ro·fit·ted or ret·ro·fit, ret·ro·fit·ting, ret·ro·fits
v.tr.
1. To provide (a jet, automobile, computer, or factory, for example) with parts, devices, or equipment not in existence or available at the time of original manufacture.
2. To install or fit (a device or system, for example) for use in or on an existing structure, especially an older dwelling.
v.intr.
1. To fit into or onto equipment already in existence or service.
2. To substitute new or modernized parts or systems for older equipment:

Source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/retrofit

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2013-02-18 04:13:50 and read 34401 times.

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 13):
Airbus couldn't call it winglets

The Airbus wide bodies have winglets.....

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: 3rdGen
Posted 2013-02-18 04:45:54 and read 33623 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 23):
Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 13):
Airbus couldn't call it winglets

The Airbus wide bodies have winglets.....

OK but this is the A320, not the WB. I think you have to take my comment tongue in cheek and not so literally.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: foppishbum
Posted 2013-02-18 04:48:23 and read 34318 times.

Very nice! I can't wait till B6 get their A320/321 with winglets.

- Wesley

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: aerdingus
Posted 2013-02-18 04:53:11 and read 34328 times.

Very nice, thank you! Hope it comes to DUB  

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: Av8tor
Posted 2013-02-18 07:37:44 and read 30782 times.

Quoting foppishbum (Reply 25):
Quoting foppishbum (Reply 25):
Very nice! I can't wait till B6 get their A320/321 with winglets.

JetBlue will be introducing thier first A320 with sharklets this week at a company ceremony at the hangar in JFK.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: SocalApproach
Posted 2013-02-18 07:57:49 and read 30221 times.

Quoting foppishbum (Reply 25):
I can't wait till B6 get their A320/321 with winglets.

I thought B6's A321's were going to be legacy with NO sharklets?

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: winstonlegthigh
Posted 2013-02-18 09:06:06 and read 28357 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 8):
Boeing have winglets, Airbus have sharklets 

Wouldn't it be Airbii in this case?

Anyway, I guess I just like the Wingtip Fences better on the Airbus planes and Winglets for the Boeing aircraft.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: speedygonzales
Posted 2013-02-18 09:29:17 and read 27637 times.

Quoting winstonlegthigh (Reply 29):
Wouldn't it be Airbii in this case?

Only if Airbus changed their name to Airbius.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: c5load
Posted 2013-02-18 09:42:29 and read 27335 times.

Looks like the big brother of the E-190 now!   

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: foppishbum
Posted 2013-02-18 10:32:26 and read 25939 times.

Quoting Av8tor (Reply 27):
JetBlue will be introducing thier first A320 with sharklets this week at a company ceremony at the hangar in JFK.

Well, I live in Manhattan but I didn't get an invite...very bummed.  

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: NASBWI
Posted 2013-02-18 10:35:11 and read 25788 times.

Quoting SocalApproach (Reply 28):
I thought B6's A321's were going to be legacy with NO sharklets?

While the future orders for NEO's may have the option to convert 320s to 321s, the current order for B6's stardard A321 is with sharklets. None of them will be delivered with wingtip fences AFAIK.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: atcanobbio
Posted 2013-02-18 11:05:04 and read 24964 times.

it looks good but they could've painted the sharklets with the color used on the tail.

some one needs to tell airlines that not everything needs to painted white  

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: Av8tor
Posted 2013-02-18 12:47:18 and read 22126 times.

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 21):
2. Older A320s will need to have more extensive work done on the wing structure itself before the sharklets can be attached. Might not see too many A320s undergoing this fix, however, if I'm not mistaken airbus already has a plan ready for how this work is to be done if any airlines do opt for it.

JetBlue wil retro all of their aircraft. The structural work will be done by business partners during heavy checks and then the sharklets will be installed by JetBlue's tech-ops team.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: GuitrThree
Posted 2013-02-18 15:08:41 and read 19191 times.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 1):
Looks sharp!
Quoting musapapaya (Reply 3):
looks awesome,
Quoting EK413 (Reply 5):
Looks hot and sharp

Looks like a Boeing to me. Hey Airbus, the party started years ago....

Quoting wjv04 (Reply 35):
Looks about 10 years behind Boeing
Quoting c5load (Reply 31):
Looks like the big brother of the E-190 now!

Yep. Funny how Airbus finally figured out that the winglets of Boeing and Embraer are superior to those little fences used in prior attempts.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: Mikey86
Posted 2013-02-18 16:41:31 and read 17760 times.

Looks Cool! Makes the A320 certainly stand out in the crowd!

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: JeffB
Posted 2013-02-18 16:49:38 and read 17614 times.

Quoting c5load (Reply 31):

Ha! Was thinking the same thing! Though, that is not bad company to be in.

Seriously, that plane looks great.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: Senchingo
Posted 2013-02-18 17:29:30 and read 17166 times.

Quoting JU068 (Reply 2):
will it be based in MUC or FRA?
Quoting B747forever (Reply 9):
Doesnt LH rotate their short haul birds throughout the whole system?

Hm... They kind of rotate, but some stay at their designated hubs. Like the obvious ones - A380, B747 at FRA, A346/3 in MUC. But some get switched from time to time - D-AIRX (LH retro livery) just switched to MUC now.
I hope it'll be in MUC a while, so i can finally see this (for me freaky) mod  
Quoting N14AZ (Reply 18):
I am currently in China and cannot open that link

Guess that's kind of a common problem there   

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2013-02-18 17:32:42 and read 17076 times.

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 13):
Expect a lot of A320s to be retrofitted in the next few years, so you'll see a lot more airlines with these sharklets who don't necessarily have them on order right now.

I understand that the retrofit involves strengthening the wing to handle the increased bending moment better. How is this done?

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-02-18 19:07:54 and read 16096 times.

I'm happy to see. The Sharlets took quite a bit longer to arrive on the A320 than I thought, but it is good to see them shipping.

Quoting flood (Reply 19):
On that note, JetBlue just received their first sharklets and will start retrofit work on N821JB today.
http://twitpic.com/c4djt2

Thank you. Interesting little 'kit.'

Quoting overcast (Reply 20):
The proper retrofit, including wing mods, will not be available till later this year.

   But one thing at a time.

Quoting Av8tor (Reply 35):
JetBlue wil retro all of their aircraft. The structural work will be done by business partners during heavy checks and then the sharklets will be installed by JetBlue's tech-ops team.

Now that is interesting. It makes sense. They had (still have?) the longest average narrow body flights in the US, so they will benefit tremendously from the sharklets.

Hopefully these become common quickly.

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: GuitrThree
Posted 2013-02-18 19:23:53 and read 15934 times.

Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 37):
Looks Cool! Makes the A320 certainly stand out in the crowd!

Really? Airbus finally puts winglets on the A320 like Boeing and Embraer have been using for years and all of a sudden the A320 looks different from the rest? What are you looking at?

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: werdywerd
Posted 2013-02-18 19:51:19 and read 15647 times.

Updated photo of the B6 A320

http://twitpic.com/c4w3a6

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: foppishbum
Posted 2013-02-18 21:58:14 and read 14295 times.

Quoting werdywerd (Reply 43):

Thanks for sharing! I can't wait to see it at JFK when I do my commutes!  

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: EagleBoy
Posted 2013-02-19 04:10:07 and read 13458 times.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 36):
Funny how Airbus finally figured out that the winglets of Boeing and Embraer are superior to those little fences used in prior attempts.

The sharkets are optimised for performance benefits on longer sector. I guess that operators with short sectors will not require sharklets and will be happy to stick with wingtip fences.

In regard to your obvious disdain, note that the A320 has competed toe to toe with the B737NG for many years now using 'only those little fences'....the introduction of sharklets means the A320 has gotten a little bit better...which is not good for NG sales. The sharklet option also adds a few % performance bonus to the NEO when it enters service in competition to the MAX.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-02-19 04:16:04 and read 13411 times.

Looks good, though I agree that they should have at least put the logo on it...

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: zkojq
Posted 2013-02-19 17:27:03 and read 12818 times.

What are the airlines going to do with all those spare Wingtip Fences once their A32X fleets have had their retrofits done?

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: vasu
Posted 2013-02-20 00:32:57 and read 12526 times.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 47):

People on this site will try to buy one...!

But on a serious note, I reckon they'll just become spare parts for other wingtip-equipped planes

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: mon
Posted 2013-02-20 01:19:16 and read 12433 times.

Monarch A320, first with sharklets.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-02-20 01:31:44 and read 12411 times.

Quoting mon (Reply 49):

Thanks for sharing that pic, hope to see it at MAN one day  

On another note, has anyone else realised that they dont paint the sharklet all the way to the beginning of the joint between the wing and the sharklet like on the Boeing planes?

example:


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Triple Tree


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © JCAM

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: EPA001
Posted 2013-02-20 01:53:19 and read 12313 times.

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 45):
The sharkets are optimised for performance benefits on longer sector. I guess that operators with short sectors will not require sharklets and will be happy to stick with wingtip fences.

I guess every A320-operator will do the math to see if the sharklets are worth the investment for them. Maybe we will even see some split with so many A320-series being upgraded with sharklets, and some that will not see that upgrade. Of course this reduces the flexibility of how the airline can use it's airplanes. But if they have "enough" of them, I would not even rule that option out.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: shamrock350
Posted 2013-02-20 02:17:40 and read 12375 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 50):
On another note, has anyone else realised that they dont paint the sharklet all the way to the beginning of the joint between the wing and the sharklet like on the Boeing planes?

Yep, it's obviously a surface that can't be painted but it's quite a large portion so from a distance a painted sharklet looks very skinny and out of proportion. On a livery like Lufthansa's the unpainted look, or just a sold grey/white looks better.

Quoting mon (Reply 49):

Monarch have the best looking so far, completes that livery nicely!

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: flood
Posted 2013-02-20 02:25:09 and read 12382 times.

Quoting mon (Reply 49):
Monarch A320, first with sharklets.

Thanks, great to see these A320s with sharklets popping up left and right now  
Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 50):
they dont paint the sharklet all the way to the beginning of the joint

I think it looks great - particularly on the Jetstar bird. Just a pity LH didn't paint their sharklets blue - with or without logo.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-02-20 03:27:05 and read 12262 times.

Quoting flood (Reply 53):
I think it looks great

Im not saying it doesn't look great, its just something ive noticed... Im really looking forward to seeing that Monarch A320 especially  

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: vasu
Posted 2013-02-20 05:59:52 and read 11993 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 50):
On another note, has anyone else realised that they dont paint the sharklet all the way to the beginning of the joint between the wing

I like the "fade-in spraypaint" effect that Monarch have used!

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-02-24 11:46:45 and read 11210 times.

The second one for Lufthansa (MSN 5497 / D-AIZQ, test reg D-AXAE) is now also outside.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/xfwspotter/8495471340/

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: FlyCaledonian
Posted 2013-02-25 11:09:56 and read 10463 times.

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 11):
Quoting B747forever (Reply 9):
Doesnt LH rotate their short haul birds throughout the whole system?

Yes, but not that often. And aircraft will be based at either FRA or MUC and fly routes from that airport. Every now and then an aircraft is moved to the other hub.

Any site that lists the home base for each LH aircraft?

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-03-01 01:38:17 and read 9790 times.

Lufthansa takes delivery of its first Airbus A320 equipped with Sharklets:

http://www.airbus.com/no_cache/newse...rbus-a320-equipped-with-sharklets/

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: BobMUC
Posted 2013-03-01 03:28:00 and read 9478 times.

Hi FlyCaledonia,

the following page is in German, but you will be able to find the information about LH aircrafts and corresponding home bases:

http://www.mucforum.de/showthread.ph...-Sitzversionen-Interkontbersichten

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: laca773
Posted 2013-03-01 03:41:22 and read 9450 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 54):
Im not saying it doesn't look great, its just something ive noticed... Im really looking forward to seeing that Monarch A320 especially

   . I think Monarch has one of the best liveries out there right now!

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: 71Zulu
Posted 2013-03-01 04:14:16 and read 9304 times.

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 52):
Yep, it's obviously a surface that can't be painted but it's quite a large portion so from a distance a painted sharklet looks very skinny and out of proportion. On a livery like Lufthansa's the unpainted look, or just a sold grey/white looks better.

Agree totally, way better and classy the way it is. Painted blue and/or logos = tacky and cheap looking.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: rwy04lga
Posted 2013-03-01 04:45:17 and read 9183 times.

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 15):
Airbus would not want to be seen to be copying Boeing

Then they shouldn't have put the 'thinglets' where they could be seen.

Quoting speedygonzales (Reply 30):
Quoting winstonlegthigh (Reply 29):
Wouldn't it be Airbii in this case?

Only if Airbus changed their name to Airbius.

Are you sure?


Boeing didn't invent winglets nor name them that. Richard Whitcomb started the modern use of winglets in the 70s. Burt Rutan's Varieze used them. Boeing does not have a copyright on winglets. Airbus is free to call them that if the wish.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: ckfred
Posted 2013-03-01 10:11:05 and read 8837 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 8):
Boeing have winglets, Airbus have sharklets

I thought any sort of an extension on a wingtip, other than the fence that Airbus put on older A320 series aircraft or a raked wingtip, was a winglet. I think both Embrear and Canadair refer to the curved extensions as winglets.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: scbriml
Posted 2013-03-01 10:25:23 and read 8835 times.

Quoting rlwynn (Reply 7):
Why is it called a sharklet? Looks just like a winglet to me.

Because "sharklet" is way more awesomer than "winglet".   

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: LH422
Posted 2013-03-01 10:41:21 and read 8788 times.

Saw the first one land today as DLH9922 from XFW.

http://fraaviation.forumsfree.de/t10751-01032013

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: Alnicocunife
Posted 2013-03-01 11:29:59 and read 8630 times.

Sharklet is to nautucal, ship like. Maybe you would use it in a ditching (proven that is is not needed)
Maybe they should have been called "Hermeslet" for the God of flight.
Maybe "Mercurylets". After all Mercury had winged shoes.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: tozbek
Posted 2013-03-01 11:59:00 and read 8604 times.

Some photos from the first flight of Lufthansa's Sharklet A320 D-AIZP today: http://kokpit.aero/index.php?route=i...e_gallery&image_gallery_id=202

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: BEG2IAH
Posted 2013-03-01 12:51:52 and read 8384 times.

It's incredible how this small change made A320 look ten times better. Vey nice.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: EPA001
Posted 2013-03-01 13:25:42 and read 8314 times.

Quoting BEG2IAH (Reply 68):
It's incredible how this small change made A320 look ten times better. Vey nice.

Yeah, sometimes minor changes make a world of difference in looks. We see it with cars all the time, but on airplanes it is quite a rare phenomenon.  .

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-03-01 21:46:17 and read 7902 times.

Quoting BEG2IAH (Reply 68):
It's incredible how this small change made A320 look ten times better. Vey nice.

   Agreed!

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: flyingalex
Posted 2013-03-03 03:09:24 and read 7342 times.

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 57):

Any site that lists the home base for each LH aircraft?
Quoting BobMUC (Reply 59):
Hi FlyCaledonia,

the following page is in German, but you will be able to find the information about LH aircrafts and corresponding home bases:

http://www.mucforum.de/showthread.ph...chten

This list tends to be updated more regularly than the MUC Forum list:

http://klarhorst.com/Liste.htm

Click the tab marked "LH Kontflotte Airbus" to get details for their A319/A320/A321s.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: factsonly
Posted 2013-03-03 09:14:12 and read 7028 times.

Well Sharklet A320 D-AIZP is in regular operation now, here is the list of its operational flights:

- FRA-MUC 1/3
- MUC-FRA 1/3
- FRA-MUC 1/3
- MUC-FRA 1/3 - base stop
- FRA-BCN 2/3
- BCN-FRA 2/3
- FRA-TXL 2/3
- TXL-FRA 2/3 - base stop
- FRA-AMS 3/3
- AMS-FRA 3/3
- FRA-VNO 3/3
- VNO-FRA 3/3
- FRA-STR 3/3
- STR-FRA 3/3
- FRA-AMS 3/3 night-stop
- AMS-FRA 4/3

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: racko
Posted 2013-03-03 12:39:44 and read 6609 times.

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 62):
Boeing didn't invent winglets nor name them that. Richard Whitcomb started the modern use of winglets in the 70s. Burt Rutan's Varieze used them. Boeing does not have a copyright on winglets. Airbus is free to call them that if the wish.

They're all copied from the feathers of eagles anyway. They should be called Eaglelets.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: douglasyxz
Posted 2013-03-03 22:31:29 and read 6249 times.

The statement doesn't surprise at all, yet here it is directly from LH website:
http://www.lufthansagroup.com/en/pre...ve/2013/march/01/article/2363.html

"Lufthansa pilots have today picked up the airline’s first Airbus A320 equipped with 2.4 metre-high extended wingtips in Hamburg Finkenwerder. Known as sharklets, the blended wingtips are designed to cut fuel consumption by one to four per cent, depending on the route length, and the equivalent amount of CO2 emissions. They also enable aircraft to climb faster, which has a positive effect in reducing noise emissions.

Sharklets were born from lessons taught by nature: Large birds like the crane or condor curl their wingtip feathers upwards in order to save their energy significantly when flying. Sharklets similarly reduce lift-induced drag and improve the aerodynamics at the wingtips. Airbus expects the resultant fuel saving to reduce CO2 emissions by around a yearly 1,000 tonnes per aircraft, which is equivalent to the volume of emissions generated by about 200 cars put to average use.

A total of 22 brand new A320 jets, and all fitted with this Airbus blended-wing innovation, are scheduled for delivery to Lufthansa by early 2015 as replacements for older aircraft. Since the fuel-saving comes into effect principally at cruising height, Lufthansa traffic managers will deploy the A320’s equipped with sharklets mainly on longer European routes."

Two more 321 to be delivered 2015 will be w/o sharklets, according to www.lh-taufnamen.de. Makes me wonder why. I would assume the larger the aircraft the longer the routes. It could be due to the fact, that it is going to be just this two more new 321ceo into the fleet before 321neo arrives at LH 2016.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: EagleBoy
Posted 2013-03-04 00:30:39 and read 6109 times.

Quoting racko (Reply 73):
They're all copied from the feathers of eagles anyway. They should be called Eaglelets.

"...Animal rights activists in an uproar as Airbus fits baby eagle's to their aircraft to improve fuel efficiency....."

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: mozart
Posted 2013-03-04 03:08:13 and read 5889 times.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 16):

It looks fine.......but they could have made it look much better by painting the Sharklets blue and maybe even putting the Lufthansa Crane on them.

Just what I thought. An opportunity missed for Lufthansa to bring some colour to what must otherwise be one of the most boring colourschemes in the industry. "Euro white how not to do it". I have no trouble with all white fuselages, big titles and some big logo on the back, it looks good for many airlines. But LH doesn't have that. It has an old scheme and just took away the cheatline. Yawn. Typical German. Functionality before form, who cares if it looks good as long as it works.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: DALCE
Posted 2013-03-04 04:01:44 and read 5765 times.

Quoting douglasyxz (Reply 74):
Lufthansa traffic managers will deploy the A320’s equipped with sharklets mainly on longer European routes."

Strangely enough this first 'sharklet' bird is scheduled for 2 or 3 visits to AMS this or next week. FRA-AMS is actually one of the shorter hops for the LH mainline fleet.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: NASBWI
Posted 2013-03-04 05:14:42 and read 5658 times.

Quoting douglasyxz (Reply 74):
Two more 321 to be delivered 2015 will be w/o sharklets, according to www.lh-taufnamen.de. Makes me wonder why. I would assume the larger the aircraft the longer the routes.

The 321's range is actually less than that of the 320, so even though it is longer, the routes served would be either comparable to the 320, or shorter (many of their 321s actually fly rather short routes intra-Germany and around Western Europe). With routes like those, the added benefit of the Sharklet probably wouldn't gain LH much of an advantage.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: LH422
Posted 2013-03-09 11:50:44 and read 5045 times.

Here's another one for the LH group:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/xfwspotter/8538768215/

I like the painted sharklets much better...

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: douglasyxz
Posted 2013-03-10 14:01:02 and read 4548 times.

Quoting factsonly (Reply 72):

Where can I get this information from? I'm wondering if I can spot one of these new birds.

Thanks is advance, factsonly.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-03-10 20:43:10 and read 4238 times.

Quoting LH422 (Reply 79):
I like the painted sharklets much better...

I concur. The initial A320-200 shown by the OP is a bit bland...
Someone might think they were bought for economics and not aesthetics.  


Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-03-11 02:01:32 and read 4055 times.

I think this the first wing view shot in the database, the aircraft is Lufthansa D-AIZP:


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Felix Gottwald

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: flyingalex
Posted 2013-03-11 03:24:40 and read 3932 times.

Quoting douglasyxz (Reply 80):
Where can I get this information from? I'm wondering if I can spot one of these new birds.

Thanks is advance, factsonly.

To get it in advance, you need to know someone with access to Lufthansa's system.

However, to get historical and real-time information, you can try:

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/d-aizp

At www.frankfurt-airport.de, you can also get the registration of the aircraft which is scheduled to operate a given flight by clicking on the flight number in the Departures Information box on the homepage. For Lufthansa flights, they usually have a registration listed from 24 hours prior to the flight, but the aircraft to be used can change, perhaps even several times, in those last 24 hours.

Topic: RE: Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa
Username: LH422
Posted 2013-03-11 03:37:28 and read 3892 times.

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 83):
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/d-aizp

And http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/d-aizq for that matter as there are already two sharkletted planes in service.


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