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Topic: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: Gonzalo
Posted 2013-03-08 19:42:48 and read 22746 times.

Hi all. I was reading some old articles about the Adam Air flight that vanished over the waters in Indonesia, and I found very sad how little of that aircraft was recovered, basically a couple of ailerons or similar, but probably was a 0,5 % of the aircraft. I know there are several small planes ( specially in the earlier times of flying ) that vanished over the sea or high mountains and were never found ( Amelia Earhart's plane being one of the most notorious ), but I can't remember any case like that involving a large passenger aircraft ( Even in very difficult situations like SAA 295 or AF447 with aircraft lost in the middle of the ocean, there is certainty about the location of the wreckage and large pieces of the aircraft were recovered. )

So, are there any case of a large passenger jet still missing after years ?? Or every single lost plane has been found ?

Thanks in advance for your inputs.

Rgds.
G.

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: denverdanny
Posted 2013-03-08 19:49:54 and read 22733 times.

There's got to be an existing thread on this already.

A craft that they knew where it crashed and they found some debris wouldn't be classified as "vanished" to me. They just don't have the need or ability to retrieve it. During the prop era, there were numerous truly vanished ones. That flight over Lake MIchigan during a storm, as well as a flight over the Gulf of Mexico. Don't know their numbers, but those are the ones that come to mind. I'm sure there were a few B 377 Stratocruisers that disappeared. Sad to think about never being found and no one knowing what happened.

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: Polot
Posted 2013-03-08 19:50:12 and read 22720 times.

Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):
So, are there any case of a large passenger jet still missing after years ?? Or every single lost plane has been found ?

Not a passenger jet, but Varig had a cargo 707 go missing over the pacific on its way to Tokyo that was never found. It was carrying some valuable paintings on board. This was the late 70s/ early 80s I believe.

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-03-08 20:59:06 and read 22370 times.

Quoting Polot (Reply 2):
Not a passenger jet, but Varig had a cargo 707 go missing over the pacific on its way to Tokyo that was never found. It was carrying some valuable paintings on board. This was the late 70s/ early 80s I believe.

January 1979.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19790130-0

The aircraft involved (another photo at bottom of the summary above). An ex-AA aircraft (N7562A), sold to Varig in 1974 after 8 years with AA.


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Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: mayor
Posted 2013-03-08 21:04:49 and read 22346 times.

Quoting Polot (Reply 2):
Not a passenger jet, but Varig had a cargo 707 go missing over the pacific on its way to Tokyo that was never found. It was carrying some valuable paintings on board. This was the late 70s/ early 80s I believe.

Not a passenger a/c, either, but an RC-135 from Shemya AFB in the Aleutians to Eielson AFB in Fairbanks disappeared without a trace. This was on June 5th, '69. There were 19 people on board.

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Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: maxpower1954
Posted 2013-03-08 21:10:31 and read 22288 times.

A Flying Tigers 1049H Super Constellation vanished on a military charter flight in March 1962 with 107 souls on board. Not a scrap of wreckage was ever found.

The Varig 707 is the only jet transport I'm aware that disapeared without a trace.

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Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: Type-Rated
Posted 2013-03-08 21:12:51 and read 22268 times.

In the 60's NW lost a DC-7 in the Gulf of Alaska, I believe.

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-03-08 21:52:27 and read 22073 times.

In 1972/3 a P-3 on a training mission disappeared off Big Sur without a trace.

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: Navion
Posted 2013-03-09 05:43:55 and read 20833 times.

Wasn't there a 727 that "disappeared" in Africa about 5 or so years ago? I don't recall if it came from S. America or if it originated in Africa but it disappeared without a trace. Was it found. It's the only "modern era" disappearance that comes to mind.

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: Polot
Posted 2013-03-09 06:09:12 and read 20264 times.

Quoting Navion (Reply 8):
Wasn't there a 727 that "disappeared" in Africa about 5 or so years ago? I don't recall if it came from S. America or if it originated in Africa but it disappeared without a trace. Was it found. It's the only "modern era" disappearance that comes to mind.

Yeah, that was an ex-AA 727 that was stolen in Angola that no one could find again. Wikipedia actually has an article about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N844AA

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: NDiesel
Posted 2013-03-09 06:19:48 and read 20028 times.

Quoting denverdanny (Reply 1):

I did a thread on this last year, lots of interesting mysteries out there.

Never Found Wreckages (by NDiesel Apr 21 2012 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=5444808&searchid=5447372

If I'd had enough funding I'd devote my career to finding these planes. Beats an office.

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: srbmod
Posted 2013-03-09 06:20:39 and read 19991 times.

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 6):

In the 60's NW lost a DC-7 in the Gulf of Alaska, I believe.

NW 293, June 3, 1963. No bodies were ever found and only about 1500 pounds of debris was recovered. The location of the crash site made it impossible to recover wreckage that had sunk to the bottom of the seafloor and it remains untouched to this day.

In some respects, you can consider the wreckage of Eastern flight 980 to be lost due to the extreme conditions at the crash site, a glacier on Mount Illimani in Bolivia. It impacted the mountain at 19,000 feet and it was only in recent years that some of the wreckage of the 727 has been exposed due to melting ice on the glacier and some pieces have been recovered by climbers (The CVR and FDR have yet to be recovered.).

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: mandala499
Posted 2013-03-09 06:27:07 and read 19854 times.

Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):
Hi all. I was reading some old articles about the Adam Air flight that vanished over the waters in Indonesia, and I found very sad how little of that aircraft was recovered, basically a couple of ailerons or similar, but probably was a 0,5 % of the aircraft.

The main wreckage was found under the water, but only a small amount was recovered for investigation purposes... primarily the CVR and FDR.

Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):
Even in very difficult situations like SAA 295 or AF447 with aircraft lost in the middle of the ocean, there is certainty about the location of the wreckage and large pieces of the aircraft were recovered.

And the missing Adam Air's location was relatively narrowed down in the initial stages, but lack of floating debris misled many (including investigators) into looking elsewhere. Despite the efforts to look elsewhere at the time, the area near where the last radar contact was, was searched, and yes, it was there. The floating debris then simply confirmed it.

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: okAY
Posted 2013-03-09 06:45:26 and read 19453 times.

Aero OY's Junkers 52 "Kaleva" has never been found since it was shot down in the summer of 1940. 7 passengers and 2 crew were lost.

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: rfields5421
Posted 2013-03-09 07:07:54 and read 19013 times.

Two Avro Tudor IV passenger aircraft operated by British South American Airways disappeared in 1948 and 1949. The 1948 flight was enroute from the Azores to Bermuda. The 1949 flight was enroute from Bermuda to Jamaica.

Both are cited as 'proof' in Bermuda Triangle theories. The flight from the Azores to Bermuda would barely enter the Bermuda Triangle, but what the heck, reality has never been a big part of Triangle stories.

A DC-3 disappeared in 1948 enroute from San Juan to Miami. The pilot reported he was 50 miles south of Miami, but the Miami ATC did not receive his transmission, New Orleans did. The weather had changed and the pilot never acknowledged receiving any update. If he flew based on earlier reports, he would have been farther south and west of his DR position.

The DC-3 along with the Avro's were operating at near max range. The DC-3 had electrical problems where the batteries were almost drained when leaving Puerto Rico, and it appeared the electrical system was not charging properly.

Qantas / BOAC lost an Avro Lancastrian registered to BOAC but operated by Qantas in 1946 between Sri Lanka (Ceylon) and Keeling Cocos Island with 10 people aboard. No trace ever found.

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: bobloblaw
Posted 2013-03-09 07:32:21 and read 18443 times.

Was the SAA Hildeberg 74M ever recovered?

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: Independence76
Posted 2013-03-09 10:18:17 and read 15429 times.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 15):
Was the SAA Hildeberg 74M ever recovered?

Yes, nearly an exact year after the accident.

However, they never officially concluded the exact cause of the fire, and both the CVR were highly damaged to the point where almost no data was readable. They could never find the FDR.



(Gonzalo beat my edited correction by about a minute)  Silly


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Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: Gonzalo
Posted 2013-03-09 10:20:19 and read 15382 times.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 15):
Was the SAA Hildeberg 74M ever recovered?

The name was The Helderberg. And basically NO, they only recovered the CVR, at +16.000 ft. depth. The FDR was never found.

Rgds.
G.

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: Gonzalo
Posted 2013-03-09 10:27:04 and read 15260 times.

Quoting Independence76 (Reply 16):
FDR were highly damaged to the point where almost no data was readable.

AFAIK FDR was never found/recovered. The CVR was damaged but the investigators were able to retrieve useful information from it, 28 minutes into the recording the CVR indicated that the fire alarm sounded. Fourteen seconds after the fire alarm, the circuit breakers began to pop. Investigators believe that around 80 circuit breakers failed. The CVR cable failed 81 seconds after the alarm. The recording revealed the extent of the fire.

Rgds.
G.

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: DIJKKIJK
Posted 2013-03-09 10:39:57 and read 15013 times.

How about Air India 245 in 1950 (L749 Constellation) and Air India 101 in 1966 (Boeing 707), both of which crashed on the Mont Blanc in France, while approaching Geneva? Only pieces of wreckage have been recovered from both planes, with absolutely no trace of any human remains.

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Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: doulasc
Posted 2013-03-09 13:42:54 and read 12248 times.

How about a Eastern Airlines Boeing 727-200 crashed into a mountain in Peru or Bolivia in the early 1980s after Eastern took over Braniff's South American routes.No rescue team ever attempted to get to the crash site because of avalanches and burried under deep snow,

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: mayor
Posted 2013-03-09 13:51:10 and read 12097 times.

How much of ValueJet's DC-9 that crashed in the Everglades was recovered?

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: bristolflyer
Posted 2013-03-09 13:58:04 and read 11930 times.

How about that Asiana 747 (cargo) that went down about 2 years ago?

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: FlySigi
Posted 2013-03-09 14:19:04 and read 11557 times.

There was a Boeing 727 on a ferry flight from Malta to Miami Florida that went missing over the North Atlantic in 1990. To my knowledge it was never found and it had 18 pax on board.

I remember taking pictures in ZRH of that 727 when it was flying for Air Malta.

http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1990/Se...d-a939c0feccbeb0d1db85f54b32901f9b

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: 71Zulu
Posted 2013-03-09 14:23:10 and read 11475 times.

Not a jet either, but on November 16, 1959, a National Airlines DC-7 enroute TPA-MSY crashed into the Gulf of Mexico just southeast of MSY. Of the 42 on board, only 10 bodies I think were recovered. The plane itself was never recovered and there is no probable cause of the accident due to lack of evidence.

The Eastern DC-8 that crashed into Lake Pontchartrain after takeoff from MSY on February 25, 1964, had much of the plane not recovered along with sadly most of the victims. The plane hit the lake at a high rate of speed and the fragments mostly disappeared into the mud at the bottom of the lake.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Airlines_Flight_967

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Air_Lines_Flight_304

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-03-09 14:52:48 and read 11435 times.

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 19):
How about Air India 245 in 1950 (L749 Constellation) and Air India 101 in 1966 (Boeing 707), both of which crashed on the Mont Blanc in France, while approaching Geneva? Only pieces of wreckage have been recovered from both planes, with absolutely no trace of any human remains.

Not sure about the Constellation in 1950 but some human remains have been found from the 707 crash in 1966 (in almost the same place). Recent related item.
http://gulfnews.com/news/world/india...ies-from-air-india-crash-1.1070037

Newsreel footage of the 707 crash. Wreckage was mainly in small pieces due to the force of the impact so I doubt much if any effort was made to recover human remains considering the risk involved.
http://www.britishpathe.com/video/death-at-the-summit

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: srbmod
Posted 2013-03-09 15:17:09 and read 11063 times.

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 24):
The Eastern DC-8 that crashed into Lake Pontchartrain after takeoff from MSY on February 25, 1964, had much of the plane not recovered along with sadly most of the victims. The plane hit the lake at a high rate of speed and the fragments mostly disappeared into the mud at the bottom of the lake.

60% of the wreckage was found, which was more than enough to help determine the cause of the crash.

Quoting doulasc (Reply 20):
How about a Eastern Airlines Boeing 727-200 crashed into a mountain in Peru or Bolivia in the early 1980s after Eastern took over Braniff's South American routes.No rescue team ever attempted to get to the crash site because of avalanches and burried under deep snow,

I mentioned it in Reply 11......

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-03-09 15:28:30 and read 11164 times.

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 6):
In the 60's NW lost a DC-7 in the Gulf of Alaska, I believe.

A Canadian Pacific DC-4 disappeared into the Pacific near Sitka, Alaska en route from YVR to ANC (fuel stop en route to Tokyo) in July 1951. No trace of wreckage or the 37 passenges and crew was ever found.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19510721-0

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: 802flyguy
Posted 2013-03-09 15:30:37 and read 11119 times.

I know the OP was about jets, but two propliner crashes are noteworthy; the Northwest DC-4 that crashed in Lake Michigan has never been found.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Orient_Airlines_Flight_2501

The wreckage of another Northwest DC-4 was lost for 50 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Airlines_Flight_4422

If you include bizjets, there was the Learjet where wreckage was undiscovered in a small, but rugged, place like New Hampshire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_New_Hampshire_Learjet_crash

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: flightsimer
Posted 2013-03-09 15:37:16 and read 11003 times.

Quoting mayor (Reply 4):

Rivet Amber. Both RC-135's based there were lost, the other being Rivet Ball.

http://community-2.webtv.net/KingdonAviation/RivetBallAmberShemya/

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Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: SpaceshipDC10
Posted 2013-03-09 15:52:40 and read 10769 times.

Almost 40 years ago, PA816 struck the sea right after take off from PPT. I believe this is one of the accidents that prompted the FAA to fly with PA crews as a way to understand what were the problems with "The World's most experienced airlines" following a series of deadly accidents.

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-03-09 15:57:52 and read 10722 times.

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 30):
Almost 40 years ago, PA816 struck the sea right after take off from PPT. I believe this is one of the accidents that prompted the FAA to fly with PA crews as a way to understand what were the problems with "The World's most experienced airlines" following a series of deadly accidents.

That PPT crash was Pan Am's 5th fatal 707 hull loss in 9 months. One was a terrorist attack on a parked aircraft at FCO.

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: flymia
Posted 2013-03-09 16:00:16 and read 10641 times.

There is the famous flight 19 which is one of the most famous if not the most famous "mystery" of the Bermuda Triangle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_19

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: SpaceshipDC10
Posted 2013-03-09 16:15:52 and read 10410 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 31):
That PPT crash was Pan Am's 5th fatal 707 hull loss in 9 months.

Actually it was the first and, FCO terrorist attack aside, it took another three accidents, the last being PA812 at Bali, before the FAA inspectors boarded Pan Am Clippers all around the world and pored through maintenance records, to quote Robert Gandt.

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: KC135TopBoom
Posted 2013-03-09 16:16:12 and read 10403 times.

I believe very little of the B-707 KE-858 was ever found. It exploded over the Andaman Sea and only a little debris washed ashore. The main wreckage peasengers and crew, nor the FDR and VCR were ever found.

The explosion was caused by a bomb left aboard after Spys from the PDRK left the aircraft in Abu Dhabi, but were later caught and convicted.

If you include bizjets, there was the Learjet where wreckage was undiscovered in a small, but rugged, place like New Hampshire.

Yes, and this accident happened not to long ago, in 1996 and the wreckage found in 1999. The airplane crashed into very dense forest and on a steep mountain side, leaving a very small impact area.

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: bobloblaw
Posted 2013-03-09 16:17:46 and read 10416 times.

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 18):

How much of the data on the SAA 74M not bring readable was on purpose? The plane was allegedly carrying weapons and rocket fuel. The flight was an important routing for South Africa as a way of busting sanctions.

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: Flaps
Posted 2013-03-09 16:26:33 and read 10224 times.

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 14):
A DC-3 disappeared in 1948 enroute from San Juan to Miami. The pilot reported he was 50 miles south of Miami, but the Miami ATC did not receive his transmission, New Orleans did. The weather had changed and the pilot never acknowledged receiving any update. If he flew based on earlier reports, he would have been farther south and west of his DR position.

There was brief thread on this aircraft and the possibility that it had been discovered south of Bimini about a year or so back. Never heard any more about it. I was excited because I first read about it as a child, followed it ever since and I have often dived the waters around Bimini. Thought it would have been a great coincidence if true.

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: rleiro
Posted 2013-03-09 16:53:32 and read 9890 times.

In the case of missing airplanes in Venezuela, a DC-9-10 of Aeropostal Lost in La Blanquilla during a test flight, nothing but a life vest was found:

http://aviation-safety.net/photos/aircraft/750/19930402-0-P-d-1-750.jpg

In 2008 a Transaven LET 410 was lost inbound Los Roques. Exactly five years later, a BN2 Islander was also lost from Los Roques to Caracas. None of the aircraft were found so far.


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Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-03-09 17:13:38 and read 9570 times.

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 33):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 31):
That PPT crash was Pan Am's 5th fatal 707 hull loss in 9 months.

Actually it was the first and, FCO terrorist attack aside, it took another three accidents, the last being PA812 at Bali, before the FAA inspectors boarded Pan Am Clippers all around the world and pored through maintenance records, to quote Robert Gandt.

Correct. I misread the list. Thought the most recent was at the bottom.

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: cornutt
Posted 2013-03-09 19:09:07 and read 8324 times.

A bit OT, but there was Donald Campbell's Bluebird K7, which crashed and sunk on Lake Conniston in 1967 and wasn't found until 2001. And the story of its recovery is that of a remarkable set of coincidences.

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: BenSandilands
Posted 2013-03-10 04:33:38 and read 7369 times.

I don't wish to engage in disaster p*rn in any way or be mistakenly accused of disrespect for the dead, but I arrived at the top of the debris zone of the Air-India 707 crash on Mt Blanc in September 1969, which turned out to be the first month since the accident in winter some 30 months earlier that very much was apparent.

I published an account of this on my blog Plane Talking which was a reprint of an article I posted on Crikey which was in fact about mountaineering rather than aviation, and which I will not link to as that appears to breach the rules and I'm seriously disinterested in such promotion. And in which the date 1968 is a typo.

The reason for that post was an accident last year on the slopes of Mont Maudit and I felt a need to add a bit of reality to the accident reports of that time, which were somewhat inaccurate. Likewise I signed up here having noticed this topic to add some personal observations concerning that particular crash which didn't disappear rather than disintegrate.

The factuals.

The jet flew head first in the dark into a narrow rock and ice couloir on one side of the Rochers de la Tournette, at I'm guessing around 15,000 feet while approaching Geneva airport. It did not drift sideways as some contemporary reports claimed, nor did it have a cargo of rhesus monkeys on board that somehow then lived on the upper slopes of Europe's highest mountain. It went in like an arrow, unintended, and disintegrated.

These are the highest rocks you will encounter if there isn't much snow pack if climbing or descending the Gouter ridge, which is these days the easiest way on or off the summit of Mt Blanc provided you don't get lost in cloud at a critical point near the Gouter Refuge.

In 68 while working in Paris amid the student riots I took time off to go climbing around Cham and like everyone else who included the top of the Gouter in their ascent or descent of Mt Blanc I saw nothing in the heavily snowpacked crash zone and indeed being totally unaware their had been a crash there two winters earlier.

1969 was different. My climbing mate and I found ourselves in Cham in September, right at the end of the season, and after climbing the Brenva Spur in bitterly cold conditions had elected to continue over the top of MB and down to the Gouter hut . As we were going down through the Rochers I noticed some peculiar pieces of green coloured tin and realised it was the some colour as the internal primer I had seen in the 707 line at Renton earlier that decade (when my rels nearly persuaded me to stay in the US and work on the 727 line). Then we noticed some window frames and evidence of the passengers scattered here and there in the snow and across the descent path. The connection was made that this was Air-India. A well beaten path peeled off down the steepening Italian side of the rocks and in a clearing more of less at the bottom of the rock zone there were bags of stuff we didn't even think of looking into.

We were exhausted and appalled and didn't say a word until we were in the hut, where the guardian made us some hot soup and coffee on one of her last nights before the hut would be shut until the next season. She said the recovery teams had come in by helicopter to a landing site a bit lower down the mountain near the Vallot refuge and done some work following reports that the wreckage was coming out of the snow. Years later, in 1991, doing a Winter Olympics preview for The Bulletin I was given a thrill ride in an Alouette helicopter from Meribel (the really short airstrip that has featured in quite a few Anet photos) and asked the pilot to go around the top of the Innominata and on to the Rochers and we hovered for a few moments ear the impact zone and there was still the glint of metal driven into rock deep in a colouir well below the crest of the ridge.

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: Gonzalo
Posted 2013-03-10 06:25:49 and read 7113 times.

Quoting BenSandilands (Reply 40):
The factuals.

Hello Ben. I wish to sincerely thank you for sharing this touching experience, and for joining the Forum to tell us this amazing story. I hope we can hear more from you soon.

Best Regards,

Gonzalo

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: mayor
Posted 2013-03-10 07:46:31 and read 6839 times.

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 29):
Rivet Amber. Both RC-135's based there were lost, the other being Rivet Ball.

Yes, Rivet Ball was lost, in a crash landing on the island of Shemya in January of '69 and Rivet Amber was lost enroute to Eielson AFB in June of '69. We used to call Rivet Ball, the "Bitch" and Rivet Amber, the "Cadillac" just because of the difference in noise output between the two.

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: ajd1992
Posted 2013-03-10 08:48:09 and read 6609 times.

Quoting cornutt (Reply 39):

A bit OT, but there was Donald Campbell's Bluebird K7, which crashed and sunk on Lake Conniston in 1967 and wasn't found until 2001. And the story of its recovery is that of a remarkable set of coincidences.

Well, I think they knew it was there they just never recovered his body. I recall there was a legal battle between his children about recovering his remains - one wanted to, one didn't. In the end they recovered him and gave him a proper burial.

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: LVTMB
Posted 2013-03-10 11:02:04 and read 6302 times.

Quoting Polot (Reply 2):
Not a passenger jet, but Varig had a cargo 707 go missing over the pacific on its way to Tokyo that was never found.

I believe the flight was FROM Tokyo ... And the Captain had survived a previous crash on another RG 707 I believe at ORY.

MB

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: SeeTheWorld
Posted 2013-03-10 11:45:23 and read 6152 times.

Thomas Hale Boggs, Sr., presumed to have died on October 16, 1972 but not declared dead until January 3, 1973, was an American Democratic politician and a member of the U.S. House of Representatives from New Orleans, Louisiana. He was the House Majority Leader at the time.

In 1972, while he was still Majority Leader, the twin engine airplane in which Boggs was traveling disappeared over a remote section of Alaska. The airplane presumably crashed and was never found. Congressman Nick Begich was also presumed killed in the same accident.

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: DIJKKIJK
Posted 2013-03-10 11:48:29 and read 6116 times.

Quoting BenSandilands (Reply 40):

Thank you for sharing your experiences. Very exciting indeed! Although I live somewhat close to the area, not being the mountaineering type, I never went around investigating.

Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-03-10 18:24:56 and read 5450 times.

Quoting LVTMB (Reply 44):
Quoting Polot (Reply 2):
Not a passenger jet, but Varig had a cargo 707 go missing over the pacific on its way to Tokyo that was never found.

I believe the flight was FROM Tokyo ... And the Captain had survived a previous crash on another RG 707 I believe at ORY.

Yes, same captain on both flights. The July 1973 crash on approach to ORY due to a fire in a lavatory was Varig's worst-ever accident, with 123 fatalities and 11 survivors, all crew except for one passenger.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19730711-0

Brazilian news report on the 1979 crash into the Pacific that refers to the captain having survived the 1973 crash near ORY, with news footage from that accident.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IgPdUanfJ1E

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Topic: RE: Lost Passenger Jets That Were Never Found?
Username: jetjack74
Posted 2013-03-10 18:38:14 and read 5390 times.

The crash of ALM 980, a DC9 leased from ONA crashed and sank 35 miles off shore in 5000 ft of water, wreckage never recovered. 40 survivors, 23 dead
ALM_Flight_980" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALM_Flight_980
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19700502-0


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