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Topic: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: tim171080
Posted 2013-03-07 04:59:25 and read 14796 times.

just out:

Source: Oneworld Newsletter

LATAM Airlines Group chooses oneworld as its global alliance
07 March 2013
• Brazil's TAM to leave Star for oneworld in early 2014
• LAN Colombia to join oneworld too, building on LAN group's 13-year membership of alliance
• Business as usual for customers meantime, with seamless transition promised
• Latin America's top airline group strengthens oneworld's status as global first choice alliance
LATAM Airlines Group today confirmed its selection of oneworld® as the global alliance for all its passenger airlines.
The decision, announced at a meeting of the oneworld Governing Board held in Hong Kong today, means:
• Brazil's TAM Airlines will leave the Star Alliance to join oneworld, along with its Paraguay subsidiary. Their transition is expected to be completed during 2014's second quarter.
• LAN Colombia, the latest part of LAN, will join oneworld as an affiliate member, in the fourth quarter of 2013.
With Chile's LAN Airlines flying as a full member of oneworld since June 2000 and LAN Argentina, LAN Ecuador and LAN Peru added since as affiliate members, today's announcement will bring all of Latin America's top airline group into the same global airline alliance, alongside 11 of the other leading carriers from around the world and 30 of their affiliates.
An exact date for TAM's departure from the Star Alliance will be announced in due course. The intention is for it to become part of oneworld immediately after it exits Star.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: thegivenone
Posted 2013-03-07 05:32:11 and read 14692 times.

It's official!

This is a sad day for us Star Alliancers. I really enjoyed flying on TAM, let's hope that Avianca Brazil can step up to the game.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: ClassicLover
Posted 2013-03-07 05:34:50 and read 14660 times.

Quoting tim171080 (Thread starter):
LATAM Airlines Group chooses oneworld as its global alliance

I just got the e-mail - a great win for oneworld, but not at all unexpected.

oneworld is looking good - Sri Lankan and Qatar joining, Malaysia just having joined, and US Airways too once the merger with AA is completed.

Good times indeed!

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: RICARIZA
Posted 2013-03-07 05:40:58 and read 14606 times.

Quoting thegivenone (Reply 1):
let's hope that Avianca Brazil can step up to the game.

I hope so too....

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: commavia
Posted 2013-03-07 05:49:43 and read 14534 times.

Totally expected and not at all surprising.

Great news for oneworld, and solidifies the alliance's dominance of South America.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: jfk777
Posted 2013-03-07 05:57:56 and read 14472 times.

Was this ever in doubt ? LAN stayed in OW how could TAM not become part of OneWorld.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: realsim
Posted 2013-03-07 06:03:06 and read 14414 times.

Great news for Oneworld, although not unexpected as LAN moved to T8 at JFK after the merger was announced, and a few weeks ago it was announced that TAM would also move there. Now we should expect LAN and TAM to move to Concourse E at MIA, and TAM to move to T4 at MAD.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 2):
oneworld is looking good - Sri Lankan and Qatar joining, Malaysia just having joined, and US Airways too once the merger with AA is completed

Indeed, Oneworld has managed to steal a few airlines from Star Alliance:

- BMI: bought by IAG
- TAM: merged with TAM
- US Airways: merged with AA
- Qatar Airways: everybody was quite sure that QR would join Star Alliance and not Oneworld.
- Spanair: their failure had nothing to do with oneworld, but Iberia and Vueling have bith benefit with it.

On the other hand, though, Oneworld has, unfortunately, lost Mexicana and Malev, and I think they will lose Air Berlin to Skyteam in the future.

If Oneworld could add only three more airlines to their alliance, I think they could have everything they needed: one in China, one in India and one in Africa.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: JoePatroni707
Posted 2013-03-07 06:03:52 and read 14410 times.

Great news, with this addition AA/OW wil be a true powerhouse in Latin America

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: iFlyLOTs
Posted 2013-03-07 06:35:46 and read 14186 times.

I was just looking into this yesterday and couldn't find anything, I thought the announcement was supposed to be last August... But glad to see they chose OneWorld!

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: AAIL86
Posted 2013-03-07 06:54:05 and read 14062 times.

Quoting realsim (Reply 6):
Indeed, Oneworld has managed to steal a few airlines from Star Alliance:

- BMI: bought by IAG
- TAM: merged with TAM
- US Airways: merged with AA
- Qatar Airways: everybody was quite sure that QR would join Star Alliance and not Oneworld.
- Spanair: their failure had nothing to do with oneworld, but Iberia and Vueling have bith benefit with it.

Lets not forget JAL - their retention could be considered a "steal" as well. It was only 24 short months ago or so that we heard lots of noise that JAL to Skyteam was a done deal and perhaps the end of oneworld was at hand ...

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2013-03-07 07:18:45 and read 13899 times.

Quoting thegivenone (Reply 1):
This is a sad day for us Star Alliancers. I really enjoyed flying on TAM, let's hope that Avianca Brazil can step up to the game.

I flew AV the other day and I was not impressed.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: Descl
Posted 2013-03-07 07:53:56 and read 13608 times.

So what is LH going to do with passengers that are now flying with them to Chile through Brasil?
Will they start FRA-SCL?
We need more options to Europe. Im looking for a flight to Milan in July and I cannot find for less than $2200.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: IrishAyes
Posted 2013-03-07 08:42:07 and read 13100 times.

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Even though it's not all that breaking news, this is a HUGE relief to hear. OneWorld deserves this big time and I am so happy to know that everything is cemented.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2013-03-07 08:48:14 and read 13026 times.

Todays news was brought to you by the letters D, U, and H.  

Seriously though, I think most of us saw this coming. OneWorld is truly the alliance of South America.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: pascal7z
Posted 2013-03-07 08:58:09 and read 12860 times.

Quoting Descl (Reply 11):
Will they start FRA-SCL?

I would rather bet on a connection via BOG (FRA BOG with LH, BOG SCL with AV)

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: A388
Posted 2013-03-07 09:17:12 and read 12681 times.

Quoting pascal7z (Reply 14):
Quoting Descl (Reply 11):
Will they start FRA-SCL?

I would rather bet on a connection via BOG (FRA BOG with LH, BOG SCL with AV)

Indeed they can. The passengers can be routed via BOG (FRA-BOG-SCL) and back. Passengers coming on LH542 to BOG can connect to the following major cities in South America (besides the extensive local flights):

EZE, SCL, GRU, GIG, LIM, MEX, UIO, GYE.

A388

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: ual777uk
Posted 2013-03-07 09:34:08 and read 12511 times.

No suprises here but well done OW. I hope that Star have a serious back up plan of sorts as this does leave a big hole.

As stated above, it will be interesting to see how LH reacts and for that matter UA.......will they add flights??

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: A388
Posted 2013-03-07 09:54:24 and read 12276 times.

Quoting ual777uk (Reply 16):
No suprises here but well done OW. I hope that Star have a serious back up plan of sorts as this does leave a big hole.

They have a serious back up plan in AV from BOG and most likely AV Brazil in the (near) future.

A388

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: thegivenone
Posted 2013-03-07 10:07:15 and read 12135 times.

Quoting pascal7z (Reply 14):
I would rather bet on a connection via BOG (FRA BOG with LH, BOG SCL with AV)

Yup, as already confirmed by A388: LH will already sell you a ticket from FRA-BOG-SCL codesharing with AV on the last leg. From a brief look at the timetable, this route is about 3 hours longer than the current connection via GRU, however, it still gets you to SCL in the early AM (while leaving FRA in the late afternoon), which still makes it competitive.

Still a sad day though  

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-03-07 10:43:32 and read 11809 times.

Quoting realsim (Reply 6):
If Oneworld could add only three more airlines to their alliance, I think they could have everything they needed: one in China, one in India and one in Africa.

There really ain't any carrier left standing to fill mainland China... I know MU was at one stage being considered BUT Sky stole MU, CA to Star & CZ to Sky...

Quoting AAIL86 (Reply 9):
Lets not forget JAL - their retention could be considered a "steal" as well. It was only 24 short months ago or so that we heard lots of noise that JAL to Skyteam was a done deal and perhaps the end of oneworld was at hand ...

1st I hear of it... Pigs will fly before it happens too...

Big congratulations to Oneworld Alliance!

EK413

[Edited 2013-03-07 10:45:11]

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-03-07 12:13:23 and read 11167 times.

Congrats to OneWorld. LAN/TAM was a key asset to retain.

This gives OW a good presence in:
Brazil
Chile
Colombia
Ecuador
Paraguay
Peru

Plus a trivial presence in Argentina.

How are LAN/TAM's connection to Venezuela and Panama? I assume well enough to basically have the continent covered.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 19):
BUT Sky stole MU, CA to Star & CZ

That was quite the accomplishment for SkyTeam. But OW is not out. They do need India post IT... But who?

Right now, what with *A and Skyteam do in Latin America? While no surprise, this tilts the airline balance in the region clearly towards OneWorld.

Quoting Descl (Reply 11):

So what is LH going to do with passengers that are now flying with them to Chile through Brasil?
Will they start FRA-SCL?

I expect LAN to fly that route once the 787s are up in the air again.

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: IrishAyes
Posted 2013-03-07 12:33:33 and read 10982 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 20):
How are LAN/TAM's connection to Venezuela and Panama? I assume well enough to basically have the continent covered.

Actually, these are weak spots in the LATAM network. Neither LAN nor TAM fly into Tocumen. Venezuela is tiny, which is to be expected simply given the nature of the fact that it is Venezuela. Overall, here's what I am seeing:

Venezuela

Lower South America
Aerolineas: 59.3%
Conviasa: 31.1%
LAN: 9.6%

North America
American: 56.4%
SBA: 18.4%
Delta: 8.1%
AVIOR: 4.4%
UniteD: 7.2%
Air Canada: 3.0%
LAN: 2.7%

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: AA777223
Posted 2013-03-07 12:38:21 and read 10916 times.

I just saw this on AA's website (oddly nothing on star alliance or oneworld sites, or TAM's for that matter). I thought I had missed something. Glad to know I wasn't behind the curve, like usual.  

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: steve6666
Posted 2013-03-07 13:22:56 and read 10635 times.

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 22):
I just saw this on AA's website (oddly nothing on star alliance or oneworld sites, or TAM's for that matter). I thought I had missed something. Glad to know I wasn't behind the curve, like usual.

It is on TAM's website, I received an email about it this morning Brazil time with a link to the site. Was in Portuguese, didn't look for the English version.

http://tam.com.br/b2c/vgn/v/index.js...94bf44d310VgnVCM1000009508020aRCRD

[Edited 2013-03-07 13:28:51]

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: TYCOON
Posted 2013-03-07 13:35:20 and read 10549 times.

Not a surprise really, but I wonder what this will mean for terminals at certain airports... Will TAM leave T1 for T3 at LHR? Will they leave Star dominated CDG1 for OneWorld CDG2A? Interesting, maybe TAM (T1) can switch terminals with Air Canada (T2A) at CDG (although their respective flights are at different times of the day).

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: LHRFlyer
Posted 2013-03-07 13:54:08 and read 10762 times.

Fantastic news for Oneworld. I would not be surprised to see domestic codesharing with TAM to start in the interim.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: AAIL86
Posted 2013-03-07 13:54:58 and read 10876 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 19):
1st I hear of it... Pigs will fly before it happens too...

Here you go!

JAL Says NO To SkyTeam/Delta - Part 2 (by LipeGIG Feb 9 2010 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=4706863&searchid=4712264&s=JAL+skyteam#ID4712264

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: RAGAZZO777
Posted 2013-03-07 14:52:21 and read 10746 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 20):
I expect LAN to fly that route once the 787s are up in the air again.

Actually, it seems like LAN is dropping Frankfurt from next month.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: IrishAyes
Posted 2013-03-07 15:04:16 and read 10630 times.

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 27):
Actually, it seems like LAN is dropping Frankfurt from next month.

It's due to the 787 grounding, although I'm not sure why they wouldn't just deploy the A343 back on this route like before...

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: jumpjets
Posted 2013-03-07 15:21:29 and read 10513 times.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 28):
It's due to the 787 grounding

I think the announcement that the FRA tag was to be dropped came when the announcement that the 787 was to be deployed to MAD, so it doesn't seem to be linked to the subsequent grounding of the 787.

One theory that I read [fairly sure it was somewhere else on a.net] was that this was to allow greater turnround time at MAD while they got used to 787 ops rather than have a much tighter turnround time at FRA.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: JAL
Posted 2013-03-07 16:00:41 and read 10247 times.

Great news for OneWorld though hardly surprising.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: RAGAZZO777
Posted 2013-03-07 16:34:27 and read 10119 times.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 28):
although I'm not sure why they wouldn't just deploy the A343 back on this route like before...

That's the thing. To me it's pretty clear: LAN will drop FRA and will instead funnel that traffic via GRU and GIG on JJ metal.

Quoting JAL (Reply 30):
Great news for OneWorld though hardly surprising.

        

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: Ferroviarius
Posted 2013-03-07 16:56:02 and read 9978 times.

Good evening,

would LH possibly let LH510/511, which now goes to EZE, only, and there has a long sleep from 6:50 to 16:55, go FRA-EZE-SCL-EZE-FRA?

Best,

Ferroviarius

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: justinlee
Posted 2013-03-07 17:16:04 and read 9882 times.

Quoting realsim (Reply 6):
If Oneworld could add only three more airlines to their alliance, I think they could have everything they needed: one in China, one in India and one in Africa.

They really need more presence in mainland China.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 19):
There really ain't any carrier left standing to fill mainland China... I know MU was at one stage being considered BUT Sky stole MU, CA to Star & CZ to Sky...

HU really want to join Oneworld with the expansion of its international routes. They are codesharing with AA and AB currently. But CX will ban this forever...

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-03-07 20:02:39 and read 9110 times.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 21):
Actually, these are weak spots in the LATAM network.

Thanks for the heads up. Very interesting. With 'room for improvement' that leaves plenty of a.net threads on South American aviation in the future.   

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 29):
One theory that I read [fairly sure it was somewhere else on a.net] was that this was to allow greater turnround time at MAD while they got used to 787 ops rather than have a much tighter turnround time at FRA.

That makes sense. However, I would suspect LAN to operate to FRA (again) once they have enough 787s flying.

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 31):
To me it's pretty clear: LAN will drop FRA and will instead funnel that traffic via GRU and GIG on JJ metal.

Short term I agree with you. I have hopes long term.

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-03-07 20:17:27 and read 9028 times.

Quoting AAIL86 (Reply 26):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 19):
1st I hear of it... Pigs will fly before it happens too...

Here you go!

JAL Says NO To SkyTeam/Delta - Part 2 (by LipeGIG Feb 9 2010 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=4706863&searchid=4712264&s=JAL+skyteam#ID4712264

How about that, appears I was on the moon while this news hit the headlines 
Quoting justinlee (Reply 33):
HU really want to join Oneworld with the expansion of its international routes.

Interesting news... What's even more interesting is the fact QF has jumped into bed with EK as an alliance & partnership with MU to launch JQ Hong Kong...

EK413

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: SCL767
Posted 2013-03-07 20:32:58 and read 8964 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 20):
Plus a trivial presence in Argentina.

LATAM has a size-able presence in the Argentine international market and controls well over 20% of the Argentine domestic market.

LATAM's international operations via BUE, COR and MDZ:

ASU-EZE-GRU 2x daily (A320)
GRU-AEP 3x daily (A320)
GRU-EZE 4x daily (A320 3x daily, A332 daily)
GIG-EZE 3x daily (A320 2x daily, A332 daily)
LIM-EZE 3x daily (B763)
SCL-EZE 50x weekly (A319/A320/B763)
SCL-AEP (3x daily A319/A320)
UIO-GYE-EZE 5x weekly (A320)
EZE-MIA daily (B763)
EZE-PUJ-MIA weekly (B763)
LIM-COR daily (A319/A320)
SCL-COR 2x daily (A319/A320)
SCL-MDZ 3x daily (A319/A320)

Source: LAN.com

[Edited 2013-03-07 20:47:53]

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: OB1504
Posted 2013-03-07 20:55:54 and read 8867 times.

Quoting realsim (Reply 6):
Now we should expect LAN and TAM to move to Concourse E at MIA, and TAM to move to T4 at MAD.

Is there space for them at Concourse E? It's already pretty tight with overflow from AA at D, plus AB, BA, IB, 4O, and the Cuba charters. Not to mention that E would be a massive downgrade in facilities compared to J, and I don't know if LATAM is willing to subject their passengers to that kind of shock.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: justinlee
Posted 2013-03-08 00:24:56 and read 8245 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 35):
Interesting news... What's even more interesting is the fact QF has jumped into bed with EK as an alliance & partnership with MU to launch JQ Hong Kong...

HU launched a plan called "Tighten relationship arrangement with Oneworld members" since 2011. But due to the competition between HX and KA, CX is not happy with all these...

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: offloaded
Posted 2013-03-08 03:48:09 and read 7583 times.

Whilst it is a good day for OW, don't forget that codeshare agreements are common between airlines in rival alliances eg. Qantas/Air France and Cathay/Air NZ or airlines in alliances and airlines in no alliance eg Qantas/Emirates or Etihad/Air Berlin, so no reason why the JJ/LH codeshares have to end.

Does this mean BA, sorry I mean IAG, can get rid of IB now???

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: realsim
Posted 2013-03-08 04:41:23 and read 7360 times.

Quoting offloaded (Reply 39):
Does this mean BA, sorry I mean IAG, can get rid of IB now???

LAN and TAM only fly to MAD from SCL, LIM, GYE and GRU. IB also flies to EZE, MVD, GIG, CCS, BOG, PTY, SJO, GUA, SAL, HAV, SDQ, SJU and MEX in Latin America. Some of these routes are being cut because of Iberia's cost problem, but I'm sure that they will be launched again once the current situation is solved. Apart from that, LAN codeshares with IB in a lot of Spanish and European routes, so unless they want LAN to lose that feed, they will still need IB.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: jumpjets
Posted 2013-03-08 04:43:08 and read 7351 times.

Quoting offloaded (Reply 39):
Does this mean BA, sorry I mean IAG, can get rid of IB now???

for some entertainment on that subject read the 'BA/Iberia marriage made in hell' thread.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: cpqi
Posted 2013-03-11 10:45:38 and read 6306 times.

Bit late in the day for my comments on this so forgive me. I am a regular flyer on TAM living in Brazil and was a little sad to see this for the simple reason that from Fortaleza (where I live) to Europe its TAP who are Star Alliance. My Europe flights and LATAM/EUA flights will now be with different programs. That said their email states that there will be no loss of category so the network is wider.One interesting point is that I flew a few weeks back from JFK to GRU on TAM business and the lounge they used was Virgin Atlantic. I had wondered if this meant anything, but I guess not !

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: mvecchi4
Posted 2013-03-11 17:30:19 and read 5996 times.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 21):

Actually, these are weak spots in the LATAM network. Neither LAN nor TAM fly into Tocumen. Venezuela is tiny, which is to be expected simply given the nature of the fact that it is Venezuela. Overall, here's what I am seeing

Hello IrishAyes,

Not sure what you mean right there when PTY's traffic is around 6million and CCS's is around 10million.

Don't mean to be rude but IMHO I don't think Caracas qualifies as ¨tiny¨ being the 8th(ish) busiest airport in South America.

OneWorld is very strong in CCS with AA and LA having heavy presence in the market (int'l), also IB is doing pretty good as far as I know. *A presence is heralded by AV, TA and CM with a pinch of LH.

JJ has a single redeye to GRU I believe.

Regards,

Miguel.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: mah4546
Posted 2013-03-11 17:36:18 and read 6021 times.

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 37):
Is there space for them at Concourse E? It's already pretty tight with overflow from AA at D, plus AB, BA, IB, 4O, and the Cuba charters. Not to mention that E would be a massive downgrade in facilities compared to J, and I don't know if LATAM is willing to subject their passengers to that kind of shock.

LAN/TAM have already filed construction permits to build a lounge. I believe they will be taking over/extensively rennovating the old Admiral's Club/current OW Lounge.

[Edited 2013-03-11 17:37:30]

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: SCL767
Posted 2013-03-11 17:47:54 and read 5985 times.

Quoting mvecchi4 (Reply 43):
JJ has a single redeye to GRU I believe.

Effective 07APR13, TAM will increase capacity on the GRU-CCS route by deploying the A332 on the route daily.

LAN Airlines operates SCL-GYE-CCS-MIA weekly and SCL-CCS-MIA weekly; both services operate with the B763. LAN Perú operates LIM-CCS daily with the B763.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: ETinCaribe
Posted 2013-03-11 18:30:22 and read 5891 times.

I fell off my chair on hearing this news..

Quoting Descl (Reply 11):
We need more options to Europe. Im looking for a flight to Milan in July and I cannot find for less than $2200.

I think someone at LATAM knows you (and the region in general) have limited options and they are smiling all the way to the bank. Good for LATAM not so good for consumers.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: SCL767
Posted 2013-03-11 19:17:49 and read 5803 times.

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 46):
I think someone at LATAM knows you (and the region in general) have limited options

The region in general now has more international flights to Europe and North America compared to a few years ago; especially from Brazil.

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 46):
Good for LATAM not so good for consumers.

It is very positive for consumers that LAN combined with TAM to create LATAM Airlines. Both carriers have highly complementary networks that offer consumers more choices and flexibility to travel within South America, as well as long-haul destinations, (LAN and TAM only overlap on four regional routes within South America). As one airline group, both carriers will be able to open new routes that neither one could have opened before as a stand alone carrier. LATAM will also be able to compete effectively with other major international carriers that fly to South America.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: aerorobnz
Posted 2013-03-11 19:48:17 and read 5742 times.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 28):
It's due to the 787 grounding, although I'm not sure why they wouldn't just deploy the A343 back on this route like before...

because they retired a 343, and SCL-AKL-SYD physically requires the 340 to operate....

No great loss, I think that AV/TA is going to be just as big as LA/JJ very soon. They are expanding greatly.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: SCL767
Posted 2013-03-12 01:02:48 and read 5543 times.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 48):
No great loss, I think that AV/TA is going to be just as big as LA/JJ very soon. They are expanding greatly.

LATAM's affiliates are also growing in different markets. LAN Colombia continues to increase its domestic market-share in Colombia and will soon increase capacity on routes to MIA and GRU via BOG. The carrier plans to open new routes to CCS, JFK, LAX, and MAD via BOG in the near-term. LAN Perú will soon increase frequencies and capacity on various regional and domestic routes via LIM. This week, LAN Ecuador will significantly increase frequencies on domestic routes within Ecuador, will launch a new domestic route tomorrow, and will offer more capacity on the four busiest domestic routes in Ecuador compared to AV's subsidiary 2K, (LAN will actually surpass 2K on the GYE-GPS route!). AV Brasil is taking on LAN's few remaining A-318s while LAN deploys A-320s, (and soon A-321s) on domestic and regional routes via SCL. TAM Airlines plans to increase capacity on various routes as well; having just converted some of the A-319s and A-320s on order for 23 A-321s. Not to mention that LATAM Airlines S.A. has over 64 wide-body a/c on order...

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: IrishAyes
Posted 2013-03-12 14:24:33 and read 5140 times.

Quoting mvecchi4 (Reply 43):
Hello IrishAyes,

Not sure what you mean right there when PTY's traffic is around 6million and CCS's is around 10million.

Don't mean to be rude but IMHO I don't think Caracas qualifies as ¨tiny¨ being the 8th(ish) busiest airport in South America.

Hola Miguel,

I'm sorry for the confusion, I meant to say that VZ and PTY are weak spot's in LATAM's network, not weak spots for air service in general. As I mentioned, neither LAN nor TAM fly into Panama City, and neither of them are in the top 8 largest carriers serving CCS. (4.2

Quoting mvecchi4 (Reply 43):
OneWorld is very strong in CCS with AA and LA having heavy presence in the market (int'l), also IB is doing pretty good as far as I know. *A presence is heralded by AV, TA and CM with a pinch of LH.

JJ has a single redeye to GRU I believe.

Unfortunately, we are going to have to agree to disagree on this point. The sad reality is that none of the major three alliances are very strong in Caracas at all. For this week, according to Innovata, 65.9% of all seats into CCS are on unaligned carriers. Star offers the largest at 15.3%, followed by OneWorld at 10.7%, and trailed by SkyTeam with 8.1%.

Measured on a frequency basis, the numbers grow even smaller. Star offers 218 weekly frequencies into CCS (11.8%) followed by OneWorld with 116 (6.4%) and last with SkyTeam offering 76 (4.2%). Unaligned carriers offer 1,403 weekly frequencies, comprising of 77.6% of overall flights.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: mvecchi4
Posted 2013-03-12 15:37:35 and read 5061 times.

Hi,

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 50):
I'm sorry for the confusion, I meant to say that VZ and PTY are weak spot's in LATAM's network, not weak spots for air service in general. As I mentioned, neither LAN nor TAM fly into Panama City, and neither of them are in the top 8 largest carriers serving CCS.

Gotcha. And I agree on that!.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 50):
Unfortunately, we are going to have to agree to disagree on this point. The sad reality is that none of the major three alliances are very strong in Caracas at all. For this week, according to Innovata, 65.9% of all seats into CCS are on unaligned carriers. Star offers the largest at 15.3%, followed by OneWorld at 10.7%, and trailed by SkyTeam with 8.1%.

Measured on a frequency basis, the numbers grow even smaller. Star offers 218 weekly frequencies into CCS (11.8%) followed by OneWorld with 116 (6.4%) and last with SkyTeam offering 76 (4.2%). Unaligned carriers offer 1,403 weekly frequencies, comprising of 77.6% of overall flights.

You got me there. If you have the data it's like my old Six Sigma instructor used to say "In god I trust, all others bring data".

I guess you're absolutely right, having AV, TA and CM (along with P5) with high frequencies (and as for seats, I've seen AV use an A330 in the CCS-BOG segment which is 2hr flight).

Anyways, thanks for clarifying. This data is gold to me!

Regards,

MV

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: Descl
Posted 2013-03-13 06:42:02 and read 4762 times.

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 46):
I think someone at LATAM knows you (and the region in general) have limited options and they are smiling all the way to the bank. Good for LATAM not so good for consumers.

But where are the others? LH, BA, KL?

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 47):
It is very positive for consumers that LAN combined with TAM to create LATAM Airlines. Both carriers have highly complementary networks that offer consumers more choices and flexibility to travel within South America, as well as long-haul destinations, (LAN and TAM only overlap on four regional routes within South America). As one airline group, both carriers will be able to open new routes that neither one could have opened before as a stand alone carrier. LATAM will also be able to compete effectively with other major international carriers that fly to South America.

As a chilean consumer I can tell that the only routes where you find lower prices are the ones to Brazil, nothing else. Before the merge, TAM was allways the cheapest option to Europe, but thats not the case anymore; so I dont care if LATAM will be able to compete with the other airlines, as long as we consumers see a decrease in the prices (or at least not a rise as is the case today).

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: SCL767
Posted 2013-03-13 07:18:43 and read 4687 times.

Quoting Descl (Reply 52):
But where are the others? LH, BA, KL?

KL would only decrease yields on AF's CDG-SCL service; I guess that's why they won't launch AMS-SCL. Also, what a/c can LH deploy on a hypothetical FRA-SCL service? Would it be economical for LH? Both BA and LAN have shown an interest in launching SCL-LHR; LAN will be receiving 9 more B-787-8s by the end of 2014.

Quoting Descl (Reply 52):
Before the merge, TAM was allways the cheapest option to Europe, but thats not the case anymore;

Perhaps it's due to the fact that since LAN has implemented code-shares on TAM's flights to Europe via GRU and GIG enabling seamless connections for pax originating from destinations such as SCL, TAM's flights to Europe are experiencing strong bookings. That's great news for LATAM since TAM is now able to compete more effectively with the other EU carriers that operate into GRU and GIG. You can always fly on IB and connect via MAD or fly AF and connect via CDG.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: LH506
Posted 2013-03-13 07:44:38 and read 4630 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 53):
Quoting Descl (Reply 52):
Before the merge, TAM was allways the cheapest option to Europe, but thats not the case anymore;

Perhaps it's due to the fact that since LAN has implemented code-shares on TAM's flights to Europe via GRU and GIG enabling seamless connections for pax originating from destinations such as SCL, TAM's flights to Europe are experiencing strong bookings. That's great news for LATAM since TAM is now able to compete more effectively with the other EU carriers that operate into GRU and GIG. You can always fly on IB and connect via MAD or fly AF and connect via CDG.

I guess this is the result of limited competition after JJ and LAN merged.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: IrishAyes
Posted 2013-03-13 09:16:14 and read 4538 times.

Quoting mvecchi4 (Reply 51):
You got me there. If you have the data it's like my old Six Sigma instructor used to say "In god I trust, all others bring data".

I guess you're absolutely right, having AV, TA and CM (along with P5) with high frequencies (and as for seats, I've seen AV use an A330 in the CCS-BOG segment which is 2hr flight).

Anyways, thanks for clarifying. This data is gold to me!

Regards,

MV

No problem!

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 53):
KL would only decrease yields on AF's CDG-SCL service; I guess that's why they won't launch AMS-SCL.

I'm skeptical about this assertion. People assumed similar things would happen when AF launched CDGLIM in addition to KL's existing AMSLIM service. While Lima is a larger city than Santiago, passenger volumes in Chile are growing at a HUGE rate.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: aerorobnz
Posted 2013-03-13 13:09:32 and read 4381 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 49):
Not to mention that LATAM Airlines S.A. has over 64 wide-body a/c on order...

The whole continent is booming , it's a good time to be LATAM & AV. AV/TA can provide almost the same coverage currently as LA, and the service on AV/TA is on a par with LA and better than JJ.

Ultimately I don't think Star should be too worried, just that they will have to expand along with their Star Affiliates instead of TAM. The same feed cities will still eventually be GRU/GIG once 06 is fully integrated into Star. I suspect it will be fast tracked now. As an airline I always preferred Avianca to TAM anyway. Once carriers like TK expand further in South America there will be enough options to keep most happy.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: reffado
Posted 2013-03-13 13:18:25 and read 4381 times.

Regionally speaking, O6 does offer better service than JJ (inside Brazil). But they still have a lot of work to do if they want to compete with LATAM in destinations such as SCL and EZE.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: cpqi
Posted 2013-03-13 14:06:23 and read 4296 times.

Quoting reffado (Reply 57):
O6 does offer better service than JJ (inside Brazil)

I'm sorry but I strongly disagree. From route choice to check in to baggage efficiency to the smile and service quality in my experience JJ beats Avianca hands down.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: SCL767
Posted 2013-03-13 14:13:55 and read 4292 times.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 55):
I'm skeptical about this assertion. People assumed similar things would happen when AF launched CDGLIM in addition to KL's existing AMSLIM service.

And when AF resumed CDG-LIM, AF quickly reduced frequency on the CDG-LIM route to 3x weekly and will only operate the route 5x weekly on a seasonal basis. It is also important to note that the distance between LIM and both AMS and CDG is shorter than the distance between SCL and both AMS and CDG:

AMS-LIM 5676 nm
AMS-SCL 6470 nm
CDG-LIM 5544 nm
CDG-SCL 6291 nm

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 56):
AV/TA can provide almost the same coverage currently as LA,
AV-TA currently serve only one destination in Chile and only one destination in Argentina. These are very important markets. The Chilean domestic market is the fastest growing domestic market in Latin America.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 56):
Ultimately I don't think Star should be too worried, just that they will have to expand along with their Star Affiliates instead of TAM. The same feed cities will still eventually be GRU/GIG once 06 is fully integrated into Star.

O6 will face significant obstacles in expanding its operations from certain airports in Brazil, including CGH, SDU, GRU. Also, LATAM has a size-able long-haul network; whereas AV currently operates long-haul flights only from Colombia. This is why AV desperately needs TAP. It will be interesting to see how AV-TA competes with LATAM and other carriers on long-haul routes between South America and both North America and Europe, especially from GRU i.e. GRU-JFK, GRU-MIA, GRU-CDG, GRU-FRA, GRU-LHR, etc.

Quoting reffado (Reply 57):
But they still have a lot of work to do if they want to compete with LATAM in destinations such as SCL and EZE.

Under the current bilateral between Argentina and Brazil, O6 will have issues opening routes into Argentina...In Chile (as well as in Perú) they have to deal with LAN's low-cost model which offers pax very low fares since LAN significantly reduced its operating costs years ago on various domestic and short-haul flights. We've already seen TA reduce frequency on the LIM-SCL route to 7x weekly and the LIM-GRU route to 7x weekly. Whereas LAN operates SCL-LIM 8x daily and LA/JJ will soon increase frequency on the LIM-GRU route to 17x weekly.

[Edited 2013-03-13 14:18:13]

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: reffado
Posted 2013-03-13 14:37:50 and read 4224 times.

Quoting cpqi (Reply 58):

Just goes to show that the experience may vary! I flew O6 only about 4 legs, but the flights were really comfy. The a/c were in better shape than JJ's, had IFE, and the meals were nice. Crew service was on par, I'd say.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: SKY1
Posted 2013-03-13 18:45:27 and read 4068 times.

Quoting offloaded (Reply 39):
Does this mean BA, sorry I mean IAG, can get rid of IB now???

Is IB the one who should get rid of BA

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: teme82
Posted 2013-03-14 02:57:34 and read 3897 times.

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 61):
Is IB the one who should get rid of BA

Or IB to go belly up and start again   

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: ETinCaribe
Posted 2013-03-14 08:04:24 and read 3744 times.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 56):
Ultimately I don't think Star should be too worried, just that they will have to expand along with their Star Affiliates instead of TAM.

Yes, but that will take time. in the meantime, LATAM will do great.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: leonardoq
Posted 2013-03-14 08:29:40 and read 3704 times.

Does anyone know about possibilities of a AKL-GRU non-stop with JJ metal?
Or even a GRU-SYD with a stop for refueling in AKL? I would love to see JJ planes in oceania!

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: prchan
Posted 2013-03-14 11:48:27 and read 3565 times.

GRU-AKL on JJ metal will take a long time (if ever) to start. JJ has chosen to expand their international routes on destinations already served.
With LATAM and LA's SCL-AKL-SYD flight, JJ will probably fly its passengers through SCL. This is the same way LA is flying some of their passengers to Europe through GRU, on JJ metal.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: SCL767
Posted 2013-03-14 12:03:27 and read 3555 times.

Quoting prchan (Reply 65):
GRU-AKL on JJ metal will take a long time (if ever) to start. JJ has chosen to expand their international routes on destinations already served.
With LATAM and LA's SCL-AKL-SYD flight, JJ will probably fly its passengers through SCL.

TAM won't be flying to either AKL and/or SYD for the reason you mentioned. SCL is South America's gateway to both AKL and SYD for LATAM. Passengers already have the option of flying GRU-SCL-AKL-SYD, GRU-SCL-SYD, GIG-SCL-AKL-SYD, GIG-SCL-SYD on flights operated by LATAM and code-share flights operated by Qantas.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: SKY1
Posted 2013-03-14 14:27:37 and read 3445 times.

What happened with the TAM's 340-541?

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: reffado
Posted 2013-03-14 14:35:31 and read 3444 times.

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 67):

They were leased from AC while the first 77W's didn't arrive. They've been parked for a couple of years now, IIRC.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: SKY1
Posted 2013-03-14 15:33:51 and read 3381 times.

With some A345 stored, it should be much cheaper for any carrier re-used once again. It burns more fuel, right ...but with a much lower price for renting or leasing the A345 could have a new oportunity to fly intercontinental ETOPS-free routes within southern hemisphere where on most air routes more than 180' ETOPS are required. Those 340-500 stored are also relatively new.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: Gonzalo
Posted 2013-03-14 17:08:45 and read 3289 times.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 55):
While Lima is a larger city than Santiago, passenger volumes in Chile are growing at a HUGE rate.

And the traffic growth in Chile is a two digits figure for some years already. The difference in total population between LIM ( 8.4 M ) and SCL ( 7.3 M ) is not so big, and I would risk the bet with a lot of confidence saying that Chile has a stronger middle class, that has learned and enjoys to travel outside borders since the '90s, while the Peruvians are still behind in that matter ( although they are doing the things good lately in terms of the macro economy, which finally will benefit the middle class and rises the chances of the people flying away for holidays ).

Quoting realsim (Reply 40):
IB also flies to EZE, MVD, GIG, CCS, BOG, PTY, SJO, GUA, SAL, HAV, SDQ, SJU and MEX in Latin America. Some of these routes are being cut because of Iberia's cost problem, but I'm sure that they will be launched again once the current situation is solved.

With all due respect, you are being optimistic here. Once IB leaves some of this markets, other carriers will make the necessary to fill the gap ( AF is doing the move with MVD already ), and to be honest, I doubt the passengers will be running to the arms of IB when they decide to come back....

Rgds.
G.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: SCL767
Posted 2013-03-15 01:11:41 and read 3098 times.

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 69):
With some A345 stored, it should be much cheaper for any carrier re-used once again. It burns more fuel, right ...but with a much lower price for renting or leasing the A345 could have a new oportunity to fly intercontinental ETOPS-free routes within southern hemisphere where on most air routes more than 180' ETOPS are required. Those 340-500 stored are also relatively new.

LATAM is not interested in operating anymore routes with the A-340s and has already begun to phase them out of the fleet. By the end of this year, LATAM's remaining A-340s will be deployed only on one route, the SCL-AKL-SYD route.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: leonardoq
Posted 2013-03-15 05:41:19 and read 2970 times.

An interesting flight would be SCL-POA non-stop. It is intriguing why neither JJ or LA have no direct flights on this route... G3 used to do it, but cancelled... not to mention that the flight's timetable was horrible, the flight departed at 12am from POA and returned from SCL at 3 am!

Hope to see LATAM flying that route soon...

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: SCL767
Posted 2013-03-15 11:55:50 and read 2817 times.

Quoting leonardoq (Reply 72):
It is intriguing why neither JJ or LA have no direct flights on this route...

If LA/JJ were to operate SCL-POA in the near-term, it would only operate on a seasonal basis; just like the SCL-FLN route. LAN operates SCL-FLN 4x weekly during the high season. LATAM routes pax traveling between SCL and domestic destinations within Brazil such as POA primarily via the GRU hub. LA/JJ currently operate the SCL-GRU route 9x daily and the SCL-GIG route 3x daily.

LA5951 14:30 SCL 18:05 GRU 77W
LA8114 19:35 GRU 21:12 POA A320

LA8433 06:00 POA 07:35 GRU A321
LA5950 09:05 GRU 13:05 SCL 77W

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: PDPsol
Posted 2013-03-15 17:29:31 and read 2638 times.

POA is definitely not just a seasonal destination, but a thriving business center as well, with a population of over 1.5 million. The city is one of Brasil's wealthiest and POA handles over 8 million passengers annually. It is a major metropolis in Brasil. A SCL-POA route could be very successful, indeed.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: RAGAZZO777
Posted 2013-03-15 18:15:59 and read 2602 times.

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 70):
And the traffic growth in Chile is a two digits figure for some years already. The difference in total population between LIM ( 8.4 M ) and SCL ( 7.3 M ) is not so big, and I would risk the bet with a lot of confidence saying that Chile has a stronger middle class, that has learned and enjoys to travel outside borders since the '90s, while the Peruvians are still behind in that matter ( although they are doing the things good lately in terms of the macro economy, which finally will benefit the middle class and rises the chances of the people flying away for holidays ).

First of all, I must say that your English leaves a lot to be desired. Seriously, it took me a while to figure out your post.

In the second place, what do you exactly mean by "Peruvians are still behind in that matter" ? Are you saying that Peruvians don't like travelling overseas for holidays at all ?! Good God !, this is 2013, not 1993 !

Perhaps you should take a look at this article:
http://www.arecoa.com/protagonistas/...-nosotros-cobramos-menos%E2%80%9D/

In that article LAN Perú's CEO explains that the average Peruvian is making more money these days and that the fast-growing Peruvian middle class is one of the reasons for LAN's success within the Peruvian market.

Last but not least, Lima is far larger than Santiago, that's a fact.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: SCL767
Posted 2013-03-15 19:15:53 and read 2544 times.

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 75):
In that article LAN Perú's CEO explains that the average Peruvian is making more money these days and that the fast-growing Peruvian middle class is one of the reasons for LAN's success within the Peruvian market.

LAN Perú's CEO is referring primarily to the Peruvian domestic market in the article that you posted. In the article, LAN Perú's CEO clearly states that a main factor in the increase in domestic travel is due to the low fares that LAN offers in that particular market. Similarly, in Chile the low fares that LAN offers, as well as the robust economy, has led to a significant increase in domestic flights. The Chilean domestic market is the fastest growing domestic market in Latin America and is larger than the Peruvian domestic market; even though Perú has a larger population compared to Chile. Chile continues to invest and plans to expand airports through out Chile. Airports such as SCL, CCP, CJC, IQQ, LSC, PMC, PUQ, etc. will expand. LAN Perú is very interested in launching direct services between LIM and cities such as AYP, HUU, JAU, etc. However these airports are very small and cannot handle A-319/A-320 operated flights and they require new terminal buildings ASAP! Also, the longer that Perú takes to build a second runway at LIM is bad news for everyone...

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: RAGAZZO777
Posted 2013-03-15 20:39:50 and read 2471 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 76):

I'm sorry, but what does the Chilean domestic market exactly have to do with the Peruvian one ?

  

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: airlineaddict
Posted 2013-03-15 20:43:41 and read 2466 times.

Will the US government have any concerns with AA and TAM controlling a major portion of the US to Brazil market?

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: SCL767
Posted 2013-03-15 21:22:39 and read 2438 times.

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 77):
I'm sorry, but what does the Chilean domestic market exactly have to do with the Peruvian one ?

I'm simply responding to the article that you posted which specifically referred to LAN Perú's planned increase in services in the Peruvian domestic market. It may be 2013, but Perú still has a long way to go compared to Chile. Also, during the past few months, have you noticed that LAN bolstered flights from SCL to destinations such as COR, CUN, GIG, GRU, IPC, MIA, MVD, PUJ, etc. for the high season? Oh and LAN decided to increase frequency on the SCL-MAD route instead of the LIM-MAD route and is not dropping FRA as you've previously stated. Also, SCL-LHR is the next long-haul route to Europe from SCL. You clearly underestimate the potential of the Chilean aviation market since LIM is a much larger city than Santiago. The fact of the matter is that more passengers originating from SCL do prefer non-stop flights to intercontinental destinations and more non-stop flights will increase in the future. Hopefully by then LIM will have a second runway...

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: Gonzalo
Posted 2013-03-15 21:44:54 and read 2418 times.

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 75):
First of all, I must say that your English leaves a lot to be desired. Seriously, it took me a while to figure out your post.

Really ?? Oh thank you very much for the advice !! I will run to my Dictionary and my Google translator to learn more, and I will try to make the things easier for you next time  
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 76):
such as SCL, CCP, CJC, IQQ, LSC, PMC, PUQ, etc. will expand.

You forgot ANF, where there is work in progress as we speak. The expansion includes new lounges and a fourth bridge.

Rgds.
G.

Topic: RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Username: SCL767
Posted 2013-03-15 22:02:22 and read 2395 times.

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 80):
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 76):
such as SCL, CCP, CJC, IQQ, LSC, PMC, PUQ, etc. will expand.

You forgot ANF, where there is work in progress as we speak. The expansion includes new lounges and a fourth bridge.

Also, CPO, ZAL and ZCO will be expanded. Chile would also like to expand IPC to include a taxi-way. LAN has decided to slash the LIM-IPC route and will increase frequency on the SCL-IPC route due to the fact that it's a high yielding route via SCL and cargo demand from LIM to IPC is weak compared to the demand from mainland Chile.


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