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Topic: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: southwest737500
Posted 2013-03-16 05:16:11 and read 4769 times.

Hello

After seeing B6 build up dramatically on FLL it made me think. B6 is on the move and I think we can all say that B6 is scaring off NK. I came here to discuss B6 and possible routes new routes and routes coming back

CLT: we had this route and then it got dropped  I believe there is enough connection on the other end to help fill this up. Plus there is a loyal B6 following here
PIT: they've never had this route but I think it's a great possblity, the key for this is to allow connection to the Caribbean.
PHL: I decided to throw this in because with all the WN cuts in PHL it could possibly happen. Now PHL fans don't get all excited because you don't even have B6 yet.
MSY: this might just be a random through but this woudnt be bad for customers going to the Caribbean
ATL: I say ATL anticipating when they come. Anyways it will be a tough for B6 but you have to take risk. The likely scenario would be ATL-BOS before this.

Anyways if you have any other suggestion please feel free to discuss it.

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: luv2fly
Posted 2013-03-16 05:45:46 and read 4705 times.

If CLT was already dropped it's not coming back. B6 doesn't usually go back to the well. And IMHO B6 and NK are two different carriers and neither one is really not a threat to the other.

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: B6JFKH81
Posted 2013-03-16 05:54:51 and read 4682 times.

What I think you are going to see is a change in focus from MCO to FLL for the southern gateway to South and Central America. Domestic expansion? Sure, I'm sure you'll see more "connecting the dots" as time goes by and more dots get added to the map, but I think the main focus is going to be making FLL the Blue City that connects folks further south. Just my   

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: MIflyer12
Posted 2013-03-16 06:10:28 and read 4638 times.

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):

ATL: I say ATL anticipating when they come. Anyways it will be a tough for B6 but you have to take risk. The likely scenario would be ATL-BOS before this.

ATL-FLL already has the service/price/frequency spectrum covered with AirTran, Spirit, and Delta (DL with 13x on Monday, all 757-200 or -300).

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: JaxMan19
Posted 2013-03-16 07:03:18 and read 4498 times.

I can see them starting FLL-JAX, given the recent WN cuts on this route

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: doulasc
Posted 2013-03-16 07:08:27 and read 4482 times.

How about PHL and BWI.All thats served from those two is BOS and PHL has yet to start.

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: Polot
Posted 2013-03-16 07:17:02 and read 4458 times.

Quoting doulasc (Reply 5):
How about PHL and BWI.All thats served from those two is BOS and PHL has yet to start.

I don't know about PHL, but B6 would probably get slaughtered by WN/FL on BWI-FLL. BWI is, of course, a WN stronghold and their operations at FLL are nothing to sneeze at either. They have a lot of loyal followers in both cities that would make it difficult for B6 to break through, especially considering the number of flights WN/FL offers between the two.

[Edited 2013-03-16 07:18:00]

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: point2point
Posted 2013-03-16 07:27:42 and read 4413 times.

If B6 really wants to be bold with their domestic expansion from FLL, they could always be the fifth airline to do FLL-DEN after UA, F9, WN and NK..........

 

[Edited 2013-03-16 07:30:31]

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: airliner371
Posted 2013-03-16 07:36:23 and read 4373 times.

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
I believe there is enough connection on the other end to help fill this up.

They ended it before, something big has to change for them to rethink it.

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
ATL

I can certainly see B6 entering ATL to JFK and BOS but definitely not Florida. Florida is served very well already and they would be hurting them selves.

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 3):

  

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
MSY

There is no reason for them to start the route plus they have shown no interest in MSY.

Quoting doulasc (Reply 5):
BWI
WN/FL would kill them.

Quoting Polot (Reply 6):
but B6 would probably get slaughtered by WN/FL on BWI-FLL

  

Quoting JaxMan19 (Reply 4):
FLL-JAX

Not gonna happen. WN ended it for a reason and B6 doesn't do intra Florida.

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
I think we can all say that B6 is scaring off NK.
NK competes on a level with Allegiant. They have their own type of passengers, the passengers that won't fly unless they get a ridiculously cheap fare. NK is barley affected if at all by B6 and vis versa.

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
PHL

If WN can't make it work, how can B6 against a fortress hub.

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
PIT

They just ended service to JFK, I doubt we will see FLL.

[Edited 2013-03-16 07:54:16]

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: N62NA
Posted 2013-03-16 07:44:13 and read 4347 times.

It would be nice to see SYR-FLL. Perfect for an E-190.

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: jfklganyc
Posted 2013-03-16 07:51:26 and read 4329 times.

CLT did work.

They got early morning cruise and leisure traffic and filled up the flight.

Then they retimed the flight to an afternoon departure and were left with lots of empty seats.

Talk to station personnel at CLT...they are still puzzled by the whole thing


Back to FLL...I think they have around 60 departures. This may double over the next few years

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: bobloblaw
Posted 2013-03-16 07:55:09 and read 4310 times.

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 3):

ATL will depend on how much WN pulls down ATL. I really can see WN not flying LGA and BOS from ATL. I think Florida will be cut back but not discontinued outright, except for possibly PBI, JAX. There certainly will be an opening for JetBlue should WN pull down FLL and MCO, especially given the connections beyond that exist.

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: usctrojan18
Posted 2013-03-16 08:06:22 and read 4273 times.

SAN? Maybe to rival the new AA to MIA service? I would rather fly B6 to South Florida than AA.

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: jonathanxxxx
Posted 2013-03-16 08:44:21 and read 4177 times.

IMO jetBlue should sit back and wait for NK to continue to pull down FLL. They really should not be in a rush to expand there considering that the airport is being renovated. Once NK pulls down more and more gates open up I do expect them to expand. Some potential destinations I can see are: LAS, CCS (if they can get approval), MEX (again if they can get approval), CLO and basically just connecting the dots to cities they become stronger at.

Quoting usctrojan18 (Reply 12):

SAN? Maybe to rival the new AA to MIA service? I would rather fly B6 to South Florida than AA.

Doubt it, even with the huge hub on one end AA was reluctant to start the route. If another carrier were to fly it I think it would actually be VX. Regardless very improbable for another carrier to start the route.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 10):
CLT did work.

They got early morning cruise and leisure traffic and filled up the flight.

Then they retimed the flight to an afternoon departure and were left with lots of empty seats.

Talk to station personnel at CLT...they are still puzzled by the whole thing


Back to FLL...I think they have around 60 departures. This may double over the next few years

Remember that with a combined AA/US CLT-South Florida will see a large rise in capacity. There might not be room in the future but CLT is still a nice complimentary destination for them at FLL.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 8):
There is no reason for them to start the route plus they have shown no interest in MSY.

  

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 8):
WN/FL would kill them.

  

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 2):
What I think you are going to see is a change in focus from MCO to FLL for the southern gateway to South and Central America. Domestic expansion? Sure, I'm sure you'll see more "connecting the dots" as time goes by and more dots get added to the map, but I think the main focus is going to be making FLL the Blue City that connects folks further south. Just my   

This   
Look for B6 to try and replicate AA at MIA. With their lower costs they can compete easily.

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: panam330
Posted 2013-03-16 09:15:24 and read 4096 times.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 9):
It would be nice to see SYR-FLL. Perfect for an E-190.

It's been done before; I guess it just didn't work well enough. IIRC it got cut when fuel skyrocketed, and never got reinstated. They've since beefed up MCO non-stops, though.

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: adamh8297
Posted 2013-03-16 09:22:45 and read 4066 times.

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 13):
Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 2):
What I think you are going to see is a change in focus from MCO to FLL for the southern gateway to South and Central America. Domestic expansion? Sure, I'm sure you'll see more "connecting the dots" as time goes by and more dots get added to the map, but I think the main focus is going to be making FLL the Blue City that connects folks further south. Just my   

This   
Look for B6 to try and replicate AA at MIA. With their lower costs they can compete easily.

I was hoping for this too but for starters the timing of the FLL-SJO flights didn't allow for any connections!!

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: roswell41
Posted 2013-03-16 09:34:41 and read 4031 times.

NK isn't leaving FLL. I don't know where B6 will get any more gates. They will probably lose use of some gates temporarily with the terminal construction.

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: jonathanxxxx
Posted 2013-03-16 09:46:48 and read 3991 times.

Quoting roswell41 (Reply 16):

Is NK leaving FLL? Obviously not, it is too important for them to leave.
Are they downsizing it to focus on other flying? Yes. While I don't have exact numbers NK has cut a nice chunk of their international flying, while its no MEM or CVG situation it is still a cut nonetheless.

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: JBLUA320
Posted 2013-03-16 10:24:08 and read 3910 times.

There are two likely scenarios for FLL as JetBlue grows this airport to 100 departures a day over the next several years. FLL-South/Central America is definite. FLL will become a greater international gateway once customs and immigration facilities can handle the growth. Domestic connecting the dots will happen, as well. I think you will see an increased presence on the West flights, like FLL-LAX and SFO. These markets are performing quite well. I think you'll also see some northern expansion - connecting the likes of PHL and BWI in the next 1-2 years. If ORD-SJU works and helps restore some of JetBlue's confidence/relevancy into the ORD market, then you will see FLL or MCO get added, as well.

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: par13del
Posted 2013-03-16 10:28:14 and read 3899 times.

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 2):
What I think you are going to see is a change in focus from MCO to FLL

Over the next year or so, FLL will be a difficult airport to negotiate as a runway is closed while a new one is built, now may not be the time to expand, customers might not like the extra long delays before their a/c take off which may afeect the success of new / expanded routes.

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: southwest737500
Posted 2013-03-16 11:47:23 and read 3782 times.

B6 really shot themselves in the foot because they were filling to plane up and then they changed the schedule which wasn't smart.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 10):

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: roswell41
Posted 2013-03-16 13:41:58 and read 3610 times.

The runway and future terminal construction precludes much expansion in FLL by any carrier. There will be headaches operationally for all carriers as this process unfolds. NK has become less FLL-centric for a number of reasons lately and one is certainly the aforementioned. JetBlue certainly will have the same problems should they try to expand too large in FLL.

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: Flaps
Posted 2013-03-16 15:59:45 and read 3428 times.

PIT - Still a realistic possibility. Its been discussed for years. The ending of the JFK flights doesn't necessarily have any impact on potential FLL service. They bumped BOS up to 4x when they dropped JFK so they haven't totally given up on the market. With FL branded ops drawing down WN has a lock on almost all nonstop PIT-Florida markets. Its an opening but not necessarily one that B6 will jump into. Someone will eventually but time will tell who.

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: Icebird757
Posted 2013-03-16 17:01:30 and read 3340 times.

Personally I believe you will see the FLL expansion start to happen at the end of this year leading into the 2014 as we start to ramp up on a/c deliveries starting in 2014 to 2017. I don't think the 100 flights per day will be hit for 5-6 years from now.

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: boeing773ER
Posted 2013-03-16 17:29:02 and read 3289 times.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 8):

I don't really think that NK and G4 are in the same category. NK is a bottom feeder on major routes ex-DFW/LAS, where G4 exploits very small markets, and they sends them to a tourist city.

G4 offers people an other option for people who don't want to travel to large airports. For example I notice plenty of older people on G4 flights, most of them don't want to have a connection in ORD, ATL, CLT and so on.

And I fly on G4 because they fly out the airport two minutes from my house. I don't want to spend an hour and a half traveling to PHL or EWR, plus whatever time it takes to get through security, park the car. It is much faster flying out of a smaller airport.

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: sflaflight
Posted 2013-03-16 17:49:53 and read 3322 times.

Why have we still not seen FLL-BTV. Yes NK and Allegiant are on PBG but I think there still can be a market.

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: JetBlue1058
Posted 2013-03-16 18:09:26 and read 3230 times.

I strongly think CLT-FLL should begin again.
SWA737500 knows what he talks about when it comes to CLT and I think that the route just makes sense to start again.
PIT has been talked about for a while now and considering FLL only has 1 freq. a day and MIA has 2 a day to PIT on american eagle..,Southeast Florida is underserved from PIT. I'm sure like KRIC with 1 daily PIT could work well.
CLT would need 2-4 daily though, which is possible  

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: roswell41
Posted 2013-03-16 18:41:33 and read 3087 times.

Regarding PIT, don't forget that NK serves FLL to LBE.

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: JetBlue1058
Posted 2013-03-16 18:53:59 and read 3023 times.

Don't forget that LBE is 1 hr away and alot of the lazy yinzers don't even know that NK serves LBE. Most just look up PIT cause the advertising for LBE in PIT is very small. most yinzers who are using the FLL market are relatively well off and are happier to pay slightly more and travel out of PIT considering the ride from the south/north hills is about 1 hr 30 min to LBE while a lot shorter to PIT once all the baggage and seat costs are added to NK.

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: SurfandSnow
Posted 2013-03-16 20:42:19 and read 2572 times.

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
CLT: we had this route and then it got dropped I believe there is enough connection on the other end to help fill this up. Plus there is a loyal B6 following here

US has proven to be a very formidable competitor against the LCCs from all 3 of its hubs. FL and B6 jumped into the CLT market in the mid-2000s; US has kept both airlines largely at bay (i.e., not expanding in terms of overall service levels) ever since. Even WN is starting CLT with a small schedule of just 6 daily flights, compared to 7 daily flights that they offered right off the bat from much smaller GSP and CHS markets in nearby South Carolina when they added those back in 2011. Of course, WN may simply want to play nice with US after their aggressive tactics in PHL came back to haunt them  .

Bear in mind that B6's recent southward expansion from FLL has largely involved highly ethnic/VFR markets like KIN, BOG, and now MDE for which there is little demand to and from CLT. When you look at international markets served from CLT, you see that almost everything south of the border is a highly leisure-oriented destination frequented by American tourists, like BDA, BZE, LIR, MBJ, PUJ, SXM, etc. You don't see service from CLT to places like KIN and SDQ, that's for sure. Unless AA drastically cuts CLT-Caribbean flying (unlikely, IMO) or B6 wants to really expand its FLL roster to include more leisure markets like AUA, GCM, PUJ, STT, etc. I don't think there is much need for a B6 FLL-CLT flight.

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
PIT: they've never had this route but I think it's a great possblity, the key for this is to allow connection to the Caribbean.

PIT, like CLT, has very little demand for most of the Caribbean (and other international) markets that B6 currently offers out of FLL. It's not like Pittsburgh has a huge Colombian or Dominican population that frequently heads back to the motherland. As it stands today, connecting via BOS offers many more options for Pittsburgh leisure travelers (i.e. MBJ, PLS, SXM) than FLL.

That said, I do think there is an interesting opportunity for B6 at PIT. Rather than compete against FL/WN on PIT-FLL, why not offer the only nonstop service to SJU, from which you could seamlessly connect to other popular vacation spots like PUJ, STT, and SXM? As it stands today, the only nonstop international options from PIT to the Caribbean are the quasi-charter CUN and PUJ routes that F9 picked up from U5. A dedicated nonstop link to SJU would likely be the talk of the town in PIT, and I'm sure the airport would bend over backwards to help support/market the flight.

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
PHL: I decided to throw this in because with all the WN cuts in PHL it could possibly happen. Now PHL fans don't get all excited because you don't even have B6 yet.

WN has made lots of cuts at PHL, but it has not abandoned PHL-FLL (or PHL-Florida in general). There has been some shuffling of capacity between WN and FL - WN has rapidly assumed almost all of FL's MKE hub and all but a handful of FL mid-con/transcon flights (virtually everything west of the Mississippi that isn't explicitly necessary for international ops), leaving FL with a regional ATL hub, p2p Florida flying, and international ops. It appears these efforts left WN a little short of aircraft capacity, as quite a few WN Florida flights have recently been turned over to FL. This includes several PHL-Florida flights, and I'm personally booked on a new FL nonstop between MSY and MCO in July that is probably backfilling for what would otherwise be a WN flight. I would be shocked to see WN cut PHL much further than they already have, we aren't talking about a redundant metropolitan area "boutique" station like IAD here. PHL is the airline's sole gateway to Philadelphia, which just so happens to be one of the largest markets in the country. Thanks to a resilient US, WN service from PHL has already been reduced down to their strongholds at BNA/DEN/LAS/MDW/PHX/STL, plus FL to ATL and an interchangeable WN/FL roster of popular Florida markets (FLL/MCO/PBI/RSW/TPA). HOU was fair game for getting cut from PHL so it's certainly possible that WN's nonstops to PHX and/or LAS could end, but it's very unlikely that they would completely drop PHL-Florida or reduce it to the point that B6 would see any reason to fly it. Also, keep in mind that if WN has such a hard time competing against US, there is little reason to believe that B6 will fare any better. It's not like B6 has been wildly successful at other US hubs (CLT, PHX), and it remains to be seen how their new BOS-PHL will do. Anyone know how the advanced bookings are?

Now, B6 has mentioned a possible new route from PHL: SJU. If B6 can pull off ORD-SJU, PHL-SJU shouldn't be a herculean task. AA flew it up against US for years, so it's not hard to imagine 2 carriers competing on it again. As before, one benefits from having a hub on the PHL end, the other benefits from its hub on the SJU end.

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
MSY: this might just be a random through but this woudnt be bad for customers going to the Caribbean

I am not aware of any significant demand from MSY to the Caribbean. This route would pit them square against WN, which has lots of connectivity beyond MSY and I'm sure many more FFers in both the New Orleans and South Florida local markets. With regard to foolishly challenging WN to any non-Northeast market from FLL, they might as well try FLL-HOU while they are at it! Though, Houston actually would have some decent demand to the Caribbean. Hmmm, maybe that might be something to consider?

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
ATL: I say ATL anticipating when they come. Anyways it will be a tough for B6 but you have to take risk. The likely scenario would be ATL-BOS before this.

I think we can all agree that B6 to ATL is now a matter of when, not if. Atlanta is now by far the largest domestic market that B6 does not serve, and if they are willing to serve fortress hubs like DFW and PHL exclusively from BOS (in order to become the #1 choice for local Boston FFers, I assume), adding ATL is a logical future move. Still not sure why we have yet to see a nonstop BOS-HOU, though. I would have expected B6 and/or WN to be flying this by now. I also expect to see B6 start MIA - certainly from BOS and JFK, maybe SJU, perhaps even LAX. Eventually the B6 FFers and international codeshare/interline partners will request MIA enough to make it happen. Like DEN, MIA will eventually get its costs under control...

In terms of B6 at ATL, I would only expect to see BOS-ATL. JFK-ATL would be a great waste of JFK slots, and probably about as popular/successful as ORD-JFK. Everyone inside the perimeter adamantly prefers LGA, I just don't get it. The JFK vs. LGA situation in NYC is not like IAD vs. DCA, where there actually is a huge difference in getting to the international airport vs. the regional/domestic one if coming from or going to the heart of the city. But I digress. Even SJU-ATL is probably out of the question, seeing as how AA didn't fly this route during the late 90s/early 2000s SJU hub days. As for FLL-ATL, it is probably the worst idea of all, short of a suggestion for B6 to try MCO-ATL  . The route, or any Atlanta-Florida route for that matter, is highly competitive (and grossly over-served) with all the DL and FL/WN service. Lest we not forget what happened last time B6 tried to challenge these carriers at ATL. In terms of connectivity beyond FLL, consider this. Either the market is not served from ATL nonstop for good reason (places like KIN and MDE have virtually no O&D to ATL), or the high-yielding traffic will inevitably pick the convenient nonstop option that does exist when it comes to places like CUN, NAS, and SJU. That leaves the bargain basement penny pinching tourists to fill any B6 FLL-ATL flights. Even AA now operates about half of its ATL-MIA flights with 50 seat RJs, and its MIA hub offers vastly more options than B6 does from FLL.

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
Anyways if you have any other suggestion please feel free to discuss it.

I think the most likely additions would be in conjunction with new Northeastern markets. Should B6 ever elect to add service to ACY, ALB, ISP, MHT, or ORH (all of which have been rumored at some time or another), it makes sense to open the station(s) from Florida - presumably their growing focus city/hubs at MCO and FLL. There is little reason to "connect the dots" (places like MSY, ORD, PIT, etc.) because every domestic market worth serving from FLL already has ample service today. Then again, now that WN has dropped MCO-FLL, it might now make sense for B6 to offer this. MCO is very big in terms of O&D from many Latin American and Caribbean markets, and if B6 isn't going to serve such markets nonstop from MCO, they might as well offer a connecting option via FLL.

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: rgr8apples
Posted 2013-03-16 20:53:54 and read 2528 times.

Quoting JetBlue1058 (Reply 26):

JetBlue has limited planes and the ones that they have must be making money all of the timel
Would BTV to FLL work? Depends on how you look at it. I bet it would sustain 85% load factor but they're not going to by flying an A320 on that route and long thin routes just don't bring in the $ that the same plane would either going back and forth from NYC to Florida or BOS to DCA,.
Oh and while NK and G4 "makes it work in PBG" I wonder how how much the state of NY subsidizes these flights. As a norm JetBlue doesn't get into subsidized routes if they don't think they will make $ on their own shortly.
I don't think BTV is on any of B6's priority lists.
The direction that they go in with FLL on the other hand will be very interesting.
Think this for potential routes: What would this plane be doing if it wasn't flying that route (ie, sitting as a RON somewhere), could they sell enough to pay for the route plus some? Over time how many more hours would this plane spend in the air as compared to not flying this route? And finally there is brand recognition. JetBlue does a great job of selling itself brand wise.

[Edited 2013-03-16 20:55:43]

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: PITrules
Posted 2013-03-16 21:04:02 and read 2490 times.

Quoting JetBlue1058 (Reply 28):
Don't forget that LBE is 1 hr away and alot of the lazy yinzers don't even know that NK serves LBE. Most just look up PIT cause the advertising for LBE in PIT is very small. most yinzers who are using the FLL market are relatively well off and are happier to pay slightly more and travel out of PIT considering the ride from the south/north hills is about 1 hr 30 min to LBE while a lot shorter to PIT once all the baggage and seat costs are added to NK.

The fact remains, NK draws its passsengers from the entire Pittsburgh MSA and beyond.

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: OB1504
Posted 2013-03-16 21:15:38 and read 2468 times.

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 13):
IMO jetBlue should sit back and wait for NK to continue to pull down FLL. They really should not be in a rush to expand there considering that the airport is being renovated. Once NK pulls down more and more gates open up I do expect them to expand.

Spirit's not eliminating its FLL hub, so JetBlue would be in for a long wait.

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 17):
Is NK leaving FLL? Obviously not, it is too important for them to leave.
Are they downsizing it to focus on other flying? Yes. While I don't have exact numbers NK has cut a nice chunk of their international flying, while its no MEM or CVG situation it is still a cut nonetheless.

   The number of daily departures from FLL hasn't changed from what it was a year ago, only the destinations. Resources are being reallocated to new domestic routes.

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: Flytravel
Posted 2013-03-16 21:52:43 and read 2334 times.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 29):
WN has made lots of cuts at PHL, but it has not abandoned PHL-FLL (or PHL-Florida in general).

It was a pretty significant cutback at PHL though between WN/FL even with just the Florida service. I don't expect B6 offering much to fill anyways if it ever did, but 1-2x PHL-FLL by B6 wouldn't be that big of a deal.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 29):
PHL is the airline's sole gateway to Philadelphia, which just so happens to be one of the largest markets in the country.

Some use EWR or BWI though, and part of it was WN wanting more to use those airports. Like BWI to reach Central PA. BWI to SE PA, not much different.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 29):
I think the most likely additions would be in conjunction with new Northeastern markets. Should B6 ever elect to add service to ACY, ALB, ISP, MHT, or ORH (all of which have been rumored at some time or another), it makes sense to open the station(s) from Florida - presumably their growing focus city/hubs at MCO and FLL.

One more obvious thing is B6 has shown preference in serving the major airports of a new region, rather than the alternate airports-thus no interest in ACY, CAK or PHF. Also in the case of ACY, ACY is a NK airport. Regarding ISP, it wouldn't make sense. ISP is a WN airport, and ISP is just one hour from the B6 hub, JFK. PVD is different, with a decent amount of service from multiple carriers, and south of BOS, for B6 feeling it necessary to be in PVD even though it had a focus in BOS.

TTN would have been interesting and more suitable to them than F9 going in TTN really, as TTN serves a dense area in Central NJ near SE PA, but part of the NY region, where B6 claims as home. It probably could just re-utilize some of the EWR slots for something else than all just EWR-Florida and SJU, while moving a couple of Florida flights from EWR to TTN. But it could still do the same essentially with PHL, adding PHL-FLL, and maybe re utilizing some of the valuable EWR slots for something else.

[Edited 2013-03-16 21:54:37]

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: infiniti329
Posted 2013-03-17 05:52:45 and read 1727 times.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 11):
I really can see WN not flying LGA and BOS from ATL


I dont think LGA-ATL is going anywhere
1. I dont think WN is going to hand over the route DL being that their DL's only decent competition on the route
2. Once WN metal gets on the route it will be more of a money maker
3. ATL is needed for international connections, MDW will have a few but nowhere on the level of ATL

[Edited 2013-03-17 05:57:59]

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: jetbluefan1
Posted 2013-03-17 07:03:08 and read 1648 times.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 8):
If WN can't make it work, how can B6 against a fortress hub.

Different cost structure. Different connections.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 8):
They just ended service to JFK, I doubt we will see FLL.

The failure of PIT-JFK has nothing to do with how well PIT-FLL would perform. The reason PIT-JFK failed is because business travelers prefer LGA.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 8):
NK is barley affected if at all by B6 and vis versa.

How can you say that? Capacity is capacity. I can go onto kayak and choose NK or B6 to fly FLL-SJU. How is one not affected by the other?

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 13):
Look for B6 to try and replicate AA at MIA. With their lower costs they can compete easily.

Exactly. There are infinite markets south of the border that B6 can serve. B6 @ FLL will soon replicate AA's international MIA network (given the ability to serve the market with the current fleet).

Quoting JBLUA320 (Reply 18):
I think you will see an increased presence on the West flights, like FLL-LAX and SFO. These markets are performing quite well.

Do you think they are performing quite well? I honestly think B6 flies these routes to keep VX in check.

Quoting par13del (Reply 19):
Over the next year or so, FLL will be a difficult airport to negotiate as a runway is closed while a new one is built, now may not be the time to expand, customers might not like the extra long delays before their a/c take off which may afeect the success of new / expanded routes.

Perhaps, but this is temporary. Keep in mind B6 handled the repaving of a JFK runway quite well.

Quoting JetBlue1058 (Reply 26):
CLT would need 2-4 daily though, which is possible

Why would they need 2-4 daily flights? Talk about overkill...

JetBluefan1

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: bobloblaw
Posted 2013-03-17 07:13:19 and read 1636 times.

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 34):

That's a good point. ATL should be a good carribbean gateway for WN.

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: cle757
Posted 2013-03-17 07:19:04 and read 1612 times.

FLL-CLE give UA some competiton!

Topic: RE: B6 Possible Domestic Expansion In FLL
Username: United_fan
Posted 2013-03-17 07:58:52 and read 1566 times.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 9):
It would be nice to see SYR-FLL. Perfect for an E-190.

You can add ROC to that list . BUF gets 2x WN and 1 FL a day to FLL . I'm sure ROC could make it work ,at least Oct-May. FL used to have Saturday -Seasonal 717's on that route .


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