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Topic: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: SA7700
Posted 2012-11-18 02:55:38 and read 74163 times.

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Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: trent1000
Posted 2012-11-18 05:46:11 and read 74242 times.

KarelXWB reply 252 thread part 12:

MSN108 EK #27 rolled out at XFW
- MSN110 EK #29 undergoing customer flights, delivery rumoured for November 30
- MSN111 EK #30 rolled out at XFW
- MSN112 EK #31 inside the paint shop, roll out is eminent

What about MSN109? Is that #28 for EK? What stage is it at?

Thanks!

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: speedygonzales
Posted 2012-11-18 05:52:53 and read 74225 times.

Quoting trent1000 (Reply 1):

What about MSN109? Is that #28 for EK? What stage is it at?

Delivered 09.11. according to the Hamburg spotters:
http://www.aviation-community.de/for...c.php?f=16&t=4110&p=110248#p110242

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: PM
Posted 2012-11-18 06:13:23 and read 74205 times.

I'm sure it has been asked before but I haven't seen the answer. Why no MSN97?

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-11-18 07:16:31 and read 74217 times.

Quoting PM (Reply 3):
I'm sure it has been asked before but I haven't seen the answer. Why no MSN97?

The A380 Production List site doesn't have any information, but I wonder if it was assigned to one of the freighters? Or from a customer that cancelled a passenger plane.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: AF Cabin Crew
Posted 2012-11-18 19:18:43 and read 74211 times.

When is MSN93 Thai Airways HS-TUB supposed to the delivered and flown to Bangkok ?

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: PM
Posted 2012-11-18 20:51:50 and read 74206 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
I wonder if it was assigned to one of the freighters? Or from a customer that cancelled a passenger plane.

Must be something like that. I'd be curious to know.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: francoflier
Posted 2012-11-19 01:19:02 and read 74207 times.

I thought I'd ask on here:

What was an apparently unfinished A380 doing in Dresden in September?


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Is that a normal stopover during the production/fitting process?

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-11-19 01:38:14 and read 74211 times.

The A380 is Dresden is MSN5001, the fatigue test airframe.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/0690350/L/

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: francoflier
Posted 2012-11-19 02:36:19 and read 74195 times.

Oh, right. Forgot about that one. Thanks.

Though I didn't know they would keep the rig up that long after certification.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: tak
Posted 2012-11-19 03:33:06 and read 74200 times.

Quoting francoflier (Reply 7):
What was an apparently unfinished A380 doing in Dresden in September?

Wondering if you selected the wrong picture? That is not an A380...

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: ZKOKQ
Posted 2012-11-19 03:39:41 and read 74200 times.

Quoting tak (Reply 10):
Wondering if you selected the wrong picture? That is not an A380...

Check out the back ground.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: francoflier
Posted 2012-11-19 03:51:56 and read 74202 times.

I guess I should have said it's hidden behind the scarred A300 walking out of surgery...

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: tak
Posted 2012-11-19 03:56:56 and read 74203 times.

@ francoflier, My apologies    , I did not look carefully...

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Someone83
Posted 2012-11-19 04:44:23 and read 74195 times.

Quoting francoflier (Reply 9):
Though I didn't know they would keep the rig up that long after certification

Because it's the fatigue aircraft testing, which continues long after the certification is done

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: EPA001
Posted 2012-11-20 07:07:55 and read 74201 times.

Soon some new versions of the A380 will be produced offering different weight variants:

From: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ewest-a380-weight-variants-379235/

Three additional weight variants - designated WV006, WV007 and WV008 - have been included in a revision of the airframer's technical information. WV008 at 575 tons is now the highest weight variant to be offered to customers.  

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-11-20 08:27:14 and read 74205 times.

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 15):
Three additional weight variants - designated WV006, WV007 and WV008 - have been included in a revision of the airframer's technical information.

As I expected, WV006 is the 573t MTOW variant.

WV007 looks to be for high-density regional missions as it has the lowest MTOW (492t) and ties for the highest MZFW (395t).

The 575t WV008 equals the RTO test with 16 main braking units, so to go any higher they will need to add the final four, which would then support TOWs of upwards of 625t.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Someone83
Posted 2012-11-25 06:36:31 and read 73907 times.

MSN124, BA's #3, is confirmed as the aircraft on convoy 27,

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Wolbo
Posted 2012-11-25 07:04:14 and read 73827 times.

When will the modified wing with the final fix for the crack issue go into production?

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: swallow
Posted 2012-11-26 05:14:50 and read 73223 times.

Quoting Wolbo (Reply 18):
When will the modified wing with the final fix for the crack issue go into production?

TC expects the new wing in Jan 2014, but the fix has not yet been certified by EASA. The permanent fix will restore the 380 to its full lifecycle of 90,000 hours.

Clark points out that it is key for Airbus to receive European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) certification for the new design soon. “If you are coming up with a new wing in Jan. 14, you are not far away from production start.

I'd expect production to commence later this year.

EK #45 will be the first one delivered with the new wings.


http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....e-xml/awx_11_19_2012_p0-519054.xml

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Someone83
Posted 2012-11-26 07:44:01 and read 73001 times.

MSN113, EK's #32' had its first flight today, which also was the transfer flight to XFW for outfitting

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-11-26 10:53:29 and read 72764 times.

TG has taken delivery of MSN093, their second frame.

Next up:

- MSN096 KE #6 at TLS delivery centre
- MSN100 TG #3 rolled out at XFW
- MSN108 EK #27 rolled out at XFW
- MSN110 EK #29 undergoing customer flights, delivery rumoured for November 30
- MSN111 EK #30 rolled out at XFW
- MSN112 EK #31 rolled out at XFW, rejected take-off test today

[Edited 2012-11-26 10:53:51]

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Someone83
Posted 2012-11-30 03:29:58 and read 72031 times.

MSN094, MH's 5th, rolled out from outfitting yesterday. Apperently in full livery. Took 11 weeks, which is the fastest frame so far

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 21):
TG has taken delivery of MSN093, their second frame

Delivery flight was yesterday

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 21):
MSN110 EK #29 undergoing customer flights, delivery rumoured for November 30

Seems to be leaving for DXB today, unless there has been some last minutes changes

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-11-30 13:15:17 and read 71558 times.

MSN110 delivery flight http://fr24.com/UAE7380

Airbus delivered 3 A380 aircraft in November:

MSN093 TG #2
MSN109 EK #28
MSN110 EK #29

Status of the 5 remaining frames for this year:

- MSN096 KE #6 at TLS delivery centre
- MSN100 TG #3 at TLS delivery centre
- MSN108 EK #27 rolled out at XFW
- MSN111 EK #30 rolled out at XFW
- MSN112 EK #31 flying from XFW

[Edited 2012-11-30 13:15:46]

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-04 07:15:47 and read 70872 times.

Update, Airbus delivered MSN096 KE #6 and MSN108 EK #27 is now flying.

26 deliveries for the current year and 4 to go:

- MSN100 TG #3 at TLS delivery centre
- MSN108 EK #27 flying from XFW
- MSN111 EK #30 rolled out at XFW
- MSN112 EK #31 flying from XFW

[Edited 2012-12-04 07:17:11]

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-12-04 08:37:51 and read 71380 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 24):
26 deliveries for the current year

Which matches 2011's delivery rate.   

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Focker
Posted 2012-12-04 10:05:49 and read 71438 times.

Airbus' CEO Bregier confirms in a Reuters interview that the delivery target for 2013 is less than 30.

Quote:

Airbus expects to meet a target of delivering 30 superjumbos in 2012 as it catches up from a slowdown caused by the flaws in several components on each wing. Next year, deliveries could slip below 30 before exceeding that level in 2014, Bregier said. Airbus is sticking to a breakeven goal for the A380 by 2015.

Source:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...rbus-bregier-idUSBRE8B21AE20121203

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: N14AZ
Posted 2012-12-04 11:55:31 and read 72388 times.

Quoting Focker (Reply 26):
Airbus' CEO Bregier confirms in a Reuters interview that the delivery target for 2013 is less than 30.

Less? Spontaneously I thought you mixed up "less" with "more than" but it's actually true. The reason might be that during summer 2012 there was a long period of time (some weeks if not months) when they had stopped the wings production and when they didn't deliver any wings to TLS and the final assembly line was almost empty. This had no affect on the 2012-production but on the 2013-production.

Some weeks ago I found a report about Airbus' supplier for the hatracks (Diehl) and they said that in 2013 they will deliver sets for 32 A 380s to XFW. However, this doesn't mean that Airbus will deliver 32 A 380s in 2013 because the sets delivered at the end of 2013 will be for 2014-deliveries.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-04 12:09:22 and read 72345 times.

Precisely. All 2012 frames were already in FAL when Airbus slowed down the convoys.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: r2rho
Posted 2012-12-07 07:04:06 and read 71847 times.

Interesting news on airliners.de: EFW, in charge of A300 (and future A330) freighter conversions at DRS, is bidding for A380 wing repair work. It is rumored that they could perform wing repairs of 9 EK A380's in 2013.

http://www.airliners.de/technik/mro/efw-will-a380-reparieren/28625

This would help offload the FAL by creating additional capacity for wing work. Looks like a pretty good arrangement to me if it goes forward.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: someone83
Posted 2012-12-12 11:55:38 and read 71055 times.

Msn 133, another one for EK, is confirmed being on convoy 28/2012.

Btw: anyone know what happened to the forum at A380production?

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-12 12:03:19 and read 71061 times.

Quoting someone83 (Reply 30):
Btw: anyone know what happened to the forum at A380production?
http://www.facebook.com/a380production/posts/10151201030419825

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Someone83
Posted 2012-12-17 23:54:18 and read 70152 times.

MSN126, KE #7, har rolled out from the FAL in TLS. Used 11 weeks, which is the fastest KE frame so far

Deliveries for the next ones for EK, 108, 111 and 112 should be imminent and some of them is supposed to have had their customer acceptance flight. The same applies to MSN100, TG's #3

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-19 11:35:51 and read 69117 times.

Update:

- MSN108 A6-EEA delivery flight http://fr24.com/UAE7380
- MSN100 HS-TUC is now wearing its final registration http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/8287475930/

28 deliveries for 2012 so far, 2 to go (MSN111 & MSN112).

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Someone83
Posted 2012-12-19 23:16:58 and read 68588 times.

MSN116, EK's #33, was transfered to XFW for outfitting earlier this week

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Someone83
Posted 2012-12-25 04:53:22 and read 67520 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 33):
Update:
- MSN100 HS-TUC is now wearing its final registration http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/8287475930/

Delivery flight to BKK 20/12

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-27 02:34:58 and read 66634 times.

The delivery flight of MSN112, the 30th whalejet for EK, is scheduled for today.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-28 01:06:39 and read 65926 times.

MSN111 EK #31 delivery confirmed for today.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: india1
Posted 2012-12-28 02:20:10 and read 65791 times.

Target met, 30th for the year delivered, as confirmed by Airbus -

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-1...very-target-as-new-orders-lag.html

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: RickNRoll
Posted 2012-12-28 03:22:45 and read 65641 times.

From that article

"....concern a component in the aircraft’s wing is prone to cracking. Regulators are expected to approve a fix to the wing flaw early next year."

There isn't concern that a component is prone to cracking, it's a fact it's prone to cracking, and there is a manufacturing fix that has been developed for it. It would probably be in production already except that there is the approval process that has to be followed. For wings manufactured with the fault, the fix is being applied after the plane has finished manufacturing, or later at the buyers convenience.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: N14AZ
Posted 2012-12-28 05:41:10 and read 65410 times.

@ RicknRoll: I noticed the same section in that article. It's actually bad news. Airbus was hoping to get the approval at the end of this year. So I suppose they still have to build the wings acc. to the old design, meaning that with every month delay of the approval they have to repair two additional airframes (unless they stop the wing production again), correct?

Anyhow, congratulation for delivering 30 A 380s in 2012.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-28 11:15:01 and read 65105 times.

Approval for the wing fix is on track for January 2013.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: EPA001
Posted 2012-12-29 04:28:45 and read 64655 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 41):
Approval for the wing fix is on track for January 2013.

That is good news.  

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: N14AZ
Posted 2013-01-02 11:12:36 and read 63803 times.

Happy new year to all a-netters!

Sorry if this has been posted before but I don't think I have seen this here before.
Airbus is extending their A 380 facilities in XFW. See this picture: http://v2.airplaneupload.de/display-i7032bjp8xq.html
Source: http://www.aviation-friends-hamburg-forum.de/showthread.php?tid=6547

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-02 11:23:08 and read 63774 times.

Yes, Airbus is building 2 new hangars for cabin outfitting. This is part of the production ramp-up plans.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-01-02 12:00:47 and read 63653 times.

Quoting india1 (Reply 38):

Target met, 30th for the year delivered, as confirmed by Airbus -

Excellent. What is the target for 2013 after wing crack delays?

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 44):
Yes, Airbus is building 2 new hangars for cabin outfitting. This is part of the production ramp-up plans.


Good to hear. That should allow for an increase in production.

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: EPA001
Posted 2013-01-02 12:57:27 and read 63444 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 44):

Yes, Airbus is building 2 new hangars for cabin outfitting

So the pressure on the cabin outfitting process can be better handled? This means no flights to Hamburg for the A380's which will be outfitted here in Toulouse?

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-02 13:02:00 and read 63432 times.

No, that picture was taken at Hamburg (XFW). They are building 2 new hangars at XFW.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: ferpe
Posted 2013-01-02 13:05:41 and read 63451 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 45):
Excellent. What is the target for 2013 after wing crack delays?

On 3rd Dec at EADS GIF 2012 Bregier stated A will deliver 60 A380 over 2013-2014, slightly less 2013 as the production wing fix gets implemented and slightly more 2014. What slightly is he did not define. Another interesting point was that he maintained the 380 will become production cost positive by 2015 despite wing problems, A has made quite some progress on 380 costs (I listened to his talk to get 350 info and also caught this).

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: EPA001
Posted 2013-01-02 16:11:34 and read 63137 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 47):
No, that picture was taken at Hamburg (XFW)

Thanks for correcting my mistake. I somehow had read Toulouse where it should have been Hamburg of course.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: kanban
Posted 2013-01-02 21:29:59 and read 63004 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 44):
Yes, Airbus is building 2 new hangars for cabin outfitting.

Well it them long enough to figure out where the problem was.. must have been reading A.net...      

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Someone83
Posted 2013-01-03 04:39:42 and read 62565 times.

MSN119, EK's 34th, had its first flight and transfer to XFW for outfitting today. In addition MSN125, TG's 5th, was confirmed as being on convoy 01/2013

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: bongodog1964
Posted 2013-01-03 04:59:12 and read 62713 times.

Quoting kanban (Reply 50):
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 44):
Yes, Airbus is building 2 new hangars for cabin outfitting.

Well it them long enough to figure out where the problem was.. must have been reading A.net...

In my very humble opinion, rather than a lack of hangar space the problem appears to be that outfitting just takes far too long.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Heavierthanair
Posted 2013-01-03 05:33:09 and read 62603 times.

G'day

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 51):
MSN119, EK's 34th, had its first flight and transfer to XFW for outfitting today

Presumably that's the one on its way to XFW at 43000 ft doing 500 kts  http://www.flightradar24.com/AIB01SY/view


Cheers

Peter

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-03 05:34:43 and read 62535 times.

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 53):
Presumably that's the one on its way to XFW at 43000 ft doing 500 kts

Correct.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: kanban
Posted 2013-01-03 10:37:03 and read 62262 times.

Quoting bongodog1964 (Reply 52):
In my very humble opinion, rather than a lack of hangar space the problem appears to be that outfitting just takes far too long.

I perhaps jumped the gun.. since outfitting is the bottleneck, I reasoned that the new building would support outfitting with more work space.. however you may be correct ...

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-01-03 10:42:46 and read 62246 times.

Having additional outfitting stations would allow Airbus to have more A380s in outfitting at the same time, so it should result in more A380s delivered per year, even if the outfitting time per A380 remains high.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: bongodog1964
Posted 2013-01-03 10:47:47 and read 62241 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 56):
Having additional outfitting stations would allow Airbus to have more A380s in outfitting at the same time, so it should result in more A380s delivered per year, even if the outfitting time per A380 remains high.
Quoting kanban (Reply 55):
I perhaps jumped the gun.. since outfitting is the bottleneck, I reasoned that the new building would support outfitting with more work space.. however you may be correct ...

I'm sure that extra work space will allow faster deliveries, it is however a classic case of curing a problem by throwing money at it.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-03 12:00:01 and read 62124 times.

The plan is to ramp up the production rate to 3 frames a month somewhere in 2014. That means we should see about 36 deliveries in 2015. The FAL at TLS has already the capacity to produce about 40 frames a year, but XFW hasn't. The 2 new outfit hangers currently being constructed at XFW must help Airbus to reach that target of 3 frames a month.

The outfitting process is also accelerating. For example, MSN094 MH #5 rolled out after 11 weeks in XFW, the fastest outfitting job ever.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: EPA001
Posted 2013-01-03 13:57:33 and read 61903 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 58):
The outfitting process is also accelerating. For example, MSN094 MH #5 rolled out after 11 weeks in XFW, the fastest outfitting job ever.

That is good news. They still seem to make progress in that department, which is a very good thing for the A380-program.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: thegeek
Posted 2013-01-03 14:27:09 and read 61903 times.

Quoting bongodog1964 (Reply 57):
I'm sure that extra work space will allow faster deliveries, it is however a classic case of curing a problem by throwing money at it.

Might still be an appropriate solution. They haven't been able to solve the problem of A380s taking too long outfitting yet so it's fair enough that they would increase capacity.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: r2rho
Posted 2013-01-04 02:05:48 and read 61592 times.

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 40):
congratulation for delivering 30 A 380s in 2012.

   Hitting the target and achieving a slight ramp-up respect to 2011 (26 deliveries) despite all the wing problems is definitely good news.

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 40):
with every month delay of the approval they have to repair two additional airframes (unless they stop the wing production again), correct?

I see it that way too. But if the approval indeed comes this month the impact will be minimal.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 45):
What is the target for 2013 after wing crack delays?
Quoting ferpe (Reply 48):
On 3rd Dec at EADS GIF 2012 Bregier stated A will deliver 60 A380 over 2013-2014,
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 58):
The plan is to ramp up the production rate to 3 frames a month somewhere in 2014. That means we should see about 36 deliveries in 2015.

That's not very encouraging...    I hope there's a mistake in that info as it would mean an average of only 30 frames/year in 2013-14, a flat production rate. I would have expected more than that after the final wing solution is approved, with a ramp-up to 3 per month sometime in 2013.

I believe the current backlog and neverending uncertainties over production and delivery rates are holding potential A380 customers back. Achieving a stable and sustained 3/month rate sooner rather than later is essential to winning new customers IMO.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Heavierthanair
Posted 2013-01-04 03:05:07 and read 61486 times.

G'day

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 44):
Yes, Airbus is building 2 new hangars for cabin outfitting. This is part of the production ramp-up plans.
Quoting Stitch (Reply 56):
Having additional outfitting stations would allow Airbus to have more A380s in outfitting at the same time, so it should result in more A380s delivered per year, even if the outfitting time per A380 remains high.
Quoting ferpe (Reply 48):
On 3rd Dec at EADS GIF 2012 Bregier stated A will deliver 60 A380 over 2013-2014, slightly less 2013 as the production wing fix gets implemented and slightly more 2014

So if they were maintaining present production rates as per Bregier's quote why would they build these additional hangars. Or have plans changed since they started building these additional hangars? Or else will the additional hangarage be used for the wing fixes? The 100+ airframes requiring these fixes will have to be parked somewhere indoors while the modifications are done, there are not that many suitable hangars available. Question is when will these additional hangars be completed and when is the modified hardware becoming available to actually do the fixes? After the fixes are done on the airframes that are handled by Airbus itself the hangars could be used for production increases in say 2015?

Lots of assumptions I know, but there are not too many answers out there - for A-nutters anyway   

Cheers

Peter

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-01-04 07:12:32 and read 61164 times.

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 62):
Or else will the additional hangarage be used for the wing fixes?

These new hangars will not be used for wing fixes. Right now it takes so long to install the cabin on an A380 that Airbus has a backlog of completed airframes parked waiting for an open cabin outfitting position at XFW. By adding these two additional stations, Airbus can work on more A380s concurrently. So instead of being able to outfit two (?) A380s every three-four months, they can now outfit four (?).

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Someone83
Posted 2013-01-04 09:48:06 and read 60815 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 63):
So instead of being able to outfit two (?) A380s every three-four months, they can now outfit four (?).

AFAIK they'll go from six to eight outfittings stations, thus increasing capacity by 33%

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: N14AZ
Posted 2013-01-04 14:37:11 and read 60588 times.

@Someone83 / Stich: that's correct. Before, they had:
6 outfitting hangars
2 painting hangars
2 flightline hangars

Didn't Airbus' management analyse plans to allocate outfitting works to TLS? Well, the answer to who has won this fight is shown in the picture linked above and consists of steel beams and sandwich panels  

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KennyK
Posted 2013-01-05 02:50:16 and read 60260 times.

Does anyone know roughly what the 30 or so deliveries will be this year?

I know BA will be a new customer this year, Qatar was to have been but this has slipped to 2014 due to the wing crack issue and Malaysian and China Southern should have their orders completed this year.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Ruscoe
Posted 2013-01-05 03:45:01 and read 60111 times.

Quoting Wolbo (Reply 18):
When will the modified wing with the final fix for the crack issue go into production?

Any further news or information on this?

Ruscoe

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-05 04:18:50 and read 60123 times.

Quoting KennyK (Reply 66):
Does anyone know roughly what the 30 or so deliveries will be this year?

Not yet, it's too soon. So far Airbus has already 19 frames to be delivered this year:

- MSN002 private
- MSN094 MH #5
- MSN095 BA #1
- MSN113 EK #32
- MSN114 MH #6
- MSN115 AF #9
- MSN116 EK #33
- MSN119 EK #34
- MSN120 CZ #5
- MSN121 BA #2
- MSN122 TG #4
- MSN123 EK #35
- MSN124 BA #3
- MSN125 TG #5
- MSN126 KE #7
- MSN127 EK #36
- MSN128 KE #8
- MSN132 EK #37
- MSN133 EK #38

We should see more convoys for EK (MSN134, MSN135 and MSN136) and TH (MSN131) but for the moment I have no idea of the rest.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Aviaponcho
Posted 2013-01-05 06:21:01 and read 59836 times.

Thank you very much KarelXWB
Only one new operator for the A380 in 2013 ? British Airways ?


Have a good day

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-05 06:26:37 and read 59879 times.

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 69):
Only one new operator for the A380 in 2013 ? British Airways ?

Correct. 2014 will be more exciting with 4 new operators: Qatar, Asiana, Skymark and Etihad. Maybe a fifth if Air Austral will continue with the A380.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: EPA001
Posted 2013-01-05 06:32:52 and read 59821 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 70):
2014 will be more exciting with 4 new operators: Qatar, Asiana, Skymark and Etihad. Maybe a fifth if Air Austral will continue with the A380.

That could have an impact on the cabin outfitting times. It will be interesting to watch how far Airbus has developed that process with so many new customers for the A380. The extra outfitting facilities at XFW will be very useful then.  

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-05 06:43:44 and read 59801 times.

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 67):
Any further news or information on this?

The final wing fix should be approved this month. There is an approximately 10-month lead-time on the wing, so we should see the first frames with the final fix in Q4 2013.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Aviaponcho
Posted 2013-01-05 06:55:07 and read 59761 times.

Ok
So 2013 the focus is the wings...
2014 is back to business as usual but with a lot of new operators...

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-05 06:59:15 and read 59765 times.

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 73):
So 2013 the focus is the wings...

  

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 73):
2014 is back to business as usual but with a lot of new operators...

   And ramping up the production to 3 frames a month.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: thegeek
Posted 2013-01-05 15:36:10 and read 59363 times.

I make it that the backlog will theoretically be delivered mid-2020. Perhaps a bit earlier with cancellations to come such as IT. I'd think a higher production rate than 3/mth would be something they should be seeking, although I guess that depends on whether they can sell enough further frames.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: BigJKU
Posted 2013-01-05 18:10:21 and read 59228 times.

Quoting ferpe (Reply 48):

On 3rd Dec at EADS GIF 2012 Bregier stated A will deliver 60 A380 over 2013-2014, slightly less 2013 as the production wing fix gets implemented and slightly more 2014. What slightly is he did not define. Another interesting point was that he maintained the 380 will become production cost positive by 2015 despite wing problems, A has made quite some progress on 380 costs (I listened to his talk to get 350 info and also caught this).

Doing the math on this they will have delivered around 60% of the program before they are building a plane not for a cash loss on each individual unit? If R&D is 11 billion Euro's that would mean that, without interest, you need to make roughly 100 million Euro's in profit on everything left in the order book to recoup development cost? I have to think them putting more money into the outfitting side means more orders are coming because I can't see investing any more cash in the program at this point without substantially more orders coming in.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 75):
I make it that the backlog will theoretically be delivered mid-2020. Perhaps a bit earlier with cancellations to come such as IT. I'd think a higher production rate than 3/mth would be something they should be seeking, although I guess that depends on whether they can sell enough further frames.

I would think you would have to see program launch of the A389 relatively soon. At the pace they are proposing Airbus is sitting on a 4-5 year backlog as of today and you have to figure the 900 would take a couple of years to put together, you would not want a production gap. Unless they slowed down production they would be looking at being done in the 2018ish time frame. That means they need the orders or they have to slow the line down to keep it operating which does not sound appealing I would not think.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: thegeek
Posted 2013-01-05 23:43:06 and read 59673 times.

Quoting BigJKU (Reply 76):
Airbus is sitting on a 4-5 year backlog as of today

Oops, must have miscalculated!

Theoretical backlog = 165
2013 expected production = 30
2014 onwards expected production = 36/year

Quoting BigJKU (Reply 76):
slow the line down to keep it operating which does not sound appealing

Certainly agree with this. But the A380 has seen steady orders, as well as a mediocre production ramp up, which have kept the backlog long. Who's to say that people won't keep ordering it?

[Edited 2013-01-06 00:08:37]

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: BA0197
Posted 2013-01-05 23:56:13 and read 59671 times.

What is the delivery date of the BA plane?

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-06 01:50:24 and read 59498 times.

Quoting BigJKU (Reply 76):
Doing the math on this they will have delivered around 60% of the program before they are building a plane not for a cash loss on each individual unit? If R&D is 11 billion Euro's that would mean that, without interest, you need to make roughly 100 million Euro's in profit on everything left in the order book to recoup development cost? I have to think them putting more money into the outfitting side means more orders are coming because I can't see investing any more cash in the program at this point without substantially more orders coming in.

Forget the R&D costs. Sometimes you have to invest to ensure your future. I see the A380 R&D costs as an investement for an aircraft that will generate a positive cash flow.

Quote:
I would think you would have to see program launch of the A389 relatively soon. At the pace they are proposing Airbus is sitting on a 4-5 year backlog as of today and you have to figure the 900 would take a couple of years to put together, you would not want a production gap. Unless they slowed down production they would be looking at being done in the 2018ish time frame. That means they need the orders or they have to slow the line down to keep it operating which does not sound appealing I would not think.

I don't see the A389 coming before the 777X. But the big airplane itself is not the problem, the weak VLA market is currently the problem. Both Boeing and Airbus believe that they will sell more VLA aircraft again from 2014 and beyond.

[Edited 2013-01-06 01:55:32]

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-06 02:00:13 and read 59579 times.

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 78):
What is the delivery date of the BA plane?

The first BA A380 is scheduled to arrive at LHR in July.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: United885
Posted 2013-01-06 02:12:01 and read 59493 times.

What about the IT A380´s?
Are they still scheduled for 2016? Or is the order canceled after the bancrupt of IT?

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-06 03:52:57 and read 59310 times.

The IT A380 order has not been officially canceled yet, but I'm pretty sure we will never see an A380 in IT livery.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Someone83
Posted 2013-01-08 03:08:27 and read 58630 times.

BA's #2, MSN121, has rolled out from FAL in TLS, after 13 weeks.

In XFW, the 6th and final aircraft for MH seems to have finished outfitting and are know waiting to be painted

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: scouseflyer
Posted 2013-01-08 03:37:54 and read 58487 times.

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 83):
In XFW, the 6th and final aircraft for MH seems to have finished outfitting and are know waiting to be painted

As I always do, I wonder if they'll order a top-up on delivery of the final one. I'm guessing probably not but it was perceived wisdon that MH didn't really need the A380 in the first place so they're doing ok getting their full order in

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Someone83
Posted 2013-01-10 05:07:31 and read 57710 times.

MSN131, TG's 6th and final A380, is being shipped on convoy 2/2013, arriving in TLS this week

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: N14AZ
Posted 2013-01-10 11:38:39 and read 57306 times.

I just read some new information about the wing fix issue on a German aviation forum and I thought it would be worth sharing it here:

Airbus is currently applying the final fix on MSN 095, BA #1.

Either they have the approval for the final fix, which was expected to be issued at the end of 2012 / beginning of 2013, or maybe kind of an exception to apply the final fix on an airframe currently in production (not an expert in that respect).

That's actually good news: before it was common understanding that only airframes convoyed to TLS after approval of the final fix would be delivered without any necessary repair works later on because only these airframes would have the wings built on the basis of the final fix.

The word is also that there is an "interim fix", which has been approved and which is sufficient until the middle of the life cycle of the airframe, where the most comprehensive check has to be done anyway and during which the final fix can be made.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: kanban
Posted 2013-01-10 11:48:59 and read 57223 times.

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 86):
Airbus is currently applying the final fix on MSN 095, BA #1.

so will regulatory want to see some actual testing on this plane prior to delivery?

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-10 15:26:48 and read 56976 times.

Airbus said that the wing fix won't be available until October 2013 because there is a lead time of 10 months on the wing. So I'm wondering how MSN095 can have it already.

Quote:
The word is also that there is an "interim fix", which has been approved and which is sufficient until the middle of the life cycle of the airframe, where the most comprehensive check has to be done anyway and during which the final fix can be made.

Airbus has an interim fix since several months now, some EK frames already have it installed.

[Edited 2013-01-10 15:27:28]

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: WingedMigrator
Posted 2013-01-11 07:31:09 and read 56536 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 88):
I'm wondering how MSN095 can have it already

It's a repair (restoring the item to its intended function and performance, although it will not conform to the baseline engineering drawings), as opposed to rework to the new wing standard (bringing the item into full conformance with the new baseline engineering drawings)

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: N14AZ
Posted 2013-01-11 11:03:30 and read 56275 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 88):
Airbus said that the wing fix won't be available until October 2013 because there is a lead time of 10 months on the wing. So I'm wondering how MSN095 can have it already.

Because they are installing it right now retroactively in Finkenwerder, in parallel to the outfitting works

The statement of Airbus you are refering to refers to the "normal" production where they will apply the final fix now in the production of the wings and considering the lead time of roughly one year, deliveries starting from early 2014 will not require any interim or final fix (assuming no new issue will pop up...).

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 88):
Airbus has an interim fix since several months now

I know this, of course. What was new, well, at least to me, that the interim fix lasts that long. Don't remember the previous figure but IIRC it was considerably less.

Quoting kanban (Reply 87):
so will regulatory want to see some actual testing on this plane prior to delivery?

Honestly, I have no clue. Maybe someone else knows the answer to that question.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-11 11:29:15 and read 56226 times.

Off course, there is a difference between the frames currently in production and the wing production. Thanks for clearing that up.

Last December Airbus said that the fix would be certified in January 2013 so it's possible. We will probably hear more about it on January 17th. Now Qatar should advance their first delivery back to 2013  

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: A388
Posted 2013-01-11 11:33:59 and read 56244 times.

Hey guys,

My apologies if this has been asked before (as I haven't followed the A380 production thread in a long time) but which new A380 operator is the next to be rolled out of the factory? Qatar Airways, Vietnam Airlines, Etihad Airways, Asiana, Skymark? Am I missing other airlines who have ordered the A380 and who still need to receive their first A380?

Also, what's the status on Hong Kong Airlines, South African Airways, Iberia and their interest in the A380? Do they (still) have an interest in the A380?

A388

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Focker
Posted 2013-01-11 12:39:09 and read 56137 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 92):
My apologies if this has been asked before (as I haven't followed the A380 production thread in a long time) but which new A380 operator is the next to be rolled out of the factory? Qatar Airways, Vietnam Airlines, Etihad Airways, Asiana, Skymark? Am I missing other airlines who have ordered the A380 and who still need to receive their first A380?

BA mid of 2013 followed by QR early 2014 if I am not mistaken.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: N14AZ
Posted 2013-01-15 13:09:51 and read 55373 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 92):
Vietnam Airlines

They never ordered the A 380. It was just a MoU. At that time we were joking that it would be a good moment to invest in companies active in producing dark-blue paint. Let's hope nobody took this seriously....

Finally, they are painting the MH A 380s in full colours in XFW. In particular, I love this picture.
http://v2.airplaneupload.de/images-i7351bsivay.jpg
Looks a little bit like Safari Airways (for those who remember this airline...)

Source: http://www.aviation-community.de/for...viewtopic.php?f=8&p=113155#p113155

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: LH422
Posted 2013-01-16 00:26:07 and read 54866 times.

So many planes delivered and still not a single special livery in sight. I'm not even comparing it to the 787. Every other widebody must have a higher ratio of special liveries per frame delivered (i.e., more than 1%). We don't even have a plane in an alliance scheme yet. Why is that so?

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-16 02:01:46 and read 54637 times.

MSN089 MH #4 will probably get an oneworld livery next month.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: ba319-131
Posted 2013-01-16 03:44:03 and read 54349 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 96):
MSN089 MH #4 will probably get an oneworld livery next month.

- Now that would be nice to see.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: LH422
Posted 2013-01-16 04:56:00 and read 54213 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 96):
MSN089 MH #4 will probably get an oneworld livery next month.

Ah, finally! Would have preferred something like Wunala Dreaming, but it's a start.  

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-17 12:32:53 and read 53614 times.

From http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-...ands-defis-d-airbus-pour-2013.html

"The manufacturer must be submitted first to the successful implementation of the technical solution to the microcracks - it has been validated - in order to deliver aircraft smoothly in 2014. The first wing with all aluminum ribs started on the site UK Broughton mid-December for a unit of Qatar Airways."

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Someone83
Posted 2013-01-22 04:51:40 and read 52792 times.

MSN134, EK's #39, is being confirmed on convoy 3/2013. Arriving in TLS this week

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: A388
Posted 2013-01-22 05:52:34 and read 52647 times.

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 94):
They never ordered the A 380. It was just a MoU.

Thanks I thought the VN A380 order was finalized/confirmed. Guess not...

A388

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-22 06:12:27 and read 53361 times.

Back in 2009 Vietnam Airlines is/was interested in the A380 but they couldn't firm the order because 1) they have no suitable airport for the whalejet 2) the A380 performance was not good enough and 3) there were some issues with the FAA standarts too.

Now with the 2013 facts:

1) The newLong Thanh International Airport should support the A380 but won't be ready until 2020 at least. Construction has yet to start.
2) The new 2013 improved A380 should do the job.
3) Those issues should be fixed by now.

The number of air passengers in Vietnam's airports will reach 82 million by 2020 so the A380 might work for them, but don't expect a firm order before 2018 or so. An A380 order depends on the new airport.

[Edited 2013-01-22 06:13:54]

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Someone83
Posted 2013-01-24 07:17:38 and read 52552 times.

Some movements in TLS:
MSN127, KE's 7th, had its first flight. Stayed in TLS and didn't transfer to XFE
MSN125, TG's 5th, seems to have gone from body join to FAL1
MSN132, EK's 37th, has rolled out from FAL after 11 weeks

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: art
Posted 2013-01-28 02:17:21 and read 51503 times.

Airbus say that 2013 production rates will remain the same:

A320 - 42pm
A330 - 10pm
A380 - 3pm

The A380 production rate of three aircraft per month will not increase in 2013 as the manufacturer deals with the wing crack issue and weak demand for very large aircraft (VLA).

“But we have enough flexibility in the A380 system and we can increase production any time if necessary,” - Airbus COO Guenter Butschek.

To me it sounds like he is saying that Airbus is currently able to build and outfit 33 A380's a year and could increase that rate fairly easily. Have they found a way to accelerate outfitting, I wonder?

http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...30-a380-production-rates-year-0125

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: someone83
Posted 2013-01-29 04:25:26 and read 50612 times.

Yesterday MSN126, KE's #7, was transfered to XFW for outfitting, while MSN094, MH's #5, went the opposite way and is now in TLS for final preparations before delivery

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: r2rho
Posted 2013-01-29 04:27:54 and read 50636 times.

Quoting art (Reply 104):
it sounds like he is saying that Airbus is currently able to build and outfit 33 A380's a year and could increase that rate fairly easily. Have they found a way to accelerate outfitting, I wonder?

As mentioned above, 2 new outfitting hangars are being built at XFW. So while the total outfitting time may not be significantly reduced, there will be more capacity to outfit more a/c at the same time, thus giving more ramp-up flexibility. But indeed it seems that at least for 2013 things will stay as they are in terms of production rates and deliveries, to our disappointment :-/

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: art
Posted 2013-01-29 07:19:50 and read 50250 times.

Quoting r2rho (Reply 106):
But indeed it seems that at least for 2013 things will stay as they are in terms of production rates and deliveries, to our disappointment

It takes nearly a year from convoy of parts to delivery IIRC. That means an average of about 3 complete frames convoyed each month in 2013 to achieve 3 deliveries per month in 2014. It will be interesting to see what the convoy rate is in the next few months.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: someone83
Posted 2013-02-03 05:26:36 and read 49255 times.

MSN136, EK's 40th, is being confirmed on convoy 4/2013.

MSN114, the sixth and last to MH, has finished outfitting in XFW, while MSN121, BA's 2nd, has done its RTO in TLS and should soon transfer to XFW for outfitting

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: PW100
Posted 2013-02-06 08:17:46 and read 48500 times.

Seems Airbus has a little wing-transportation snag . . . :
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-21305011

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: speedygonzales
Posted 2013-02-06 09:54:48 and read 48222 times.

Subsection assembly for Asisna's first, MSN 152, has started in Hamburg.
http://www.aviation-community.de/forum-nord/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=10450

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Wolbo
Posted 2013-02-07 17:29:51 and read 47581 times.

MSN094 (9M-MNE) was delivered today, the 5th for Malaysia Airlines and the 98th A380 in total.

Two more and it's party time....   

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Someone83
Posted 2013-02-07 23:46:24 and read 47365 times.

Quoting PW100 (Reply 109):
Seems Airbus has a little wing-transportation snag . . . :

Is this the reason for the splitting up of the recent convoys, or is this due to other issues?

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-02-08 00:37:43 and read 47251 times.

Quoting Wolbo (Reply 111):
Two more and it's party time....

   MSN120 CZ #5 should be next (99th). Number 100 could be MSN113 (EK #32), MSN114 (MH #6) or MSN122 (TG 4).

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 112):
Is this the reason for the splitting up of the recent convoys, or is this due to other issues?

It is.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: EPA001
Posted 2013-02-08 00:38:17 and read 47251 times.

Quoting Wolbo (Reply 111):
Two more and it's party time....  

The first century is coming up. Though much later the originally anticipated, it will still be quite a memorable moment.  

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KL5147
Posted 2013-02-08 07:04:39 and read 46792 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 113):
MSN120 CZ #5 should be next (99th). Number 100 could be MSN113 (EK #32), MSN114 (MH #6) or MSN122 (TG 4).

What about MSN115 (intended for AF)? it won't be #100 but it seems to be a long time in FAL. It left Langon for road transport to Toulouse on august 17th.

[Edited 2013-02-08 07:09:28]

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-02-08 08:03:02 and read 46730 times.

MSN115 rolled out after ~ 23 weeks in FAL.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/8447092799/

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-02-12 13:46:50 and read 45929 times.

Quoting someone83 (Reply 108):
MSN136, EK's 40th, is being confirmed on convoy 4/2013.

Confirmed now.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: caliatenza
Posted 2013-02-12 13:53:29 and read 45941 times.

will the new EK 380's have the range to do DXB to the US West Coast?

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: r2rho
Posted 2013-02-13 05:46:25 and read 45447 times.

Quoting caliatenza (Reply 118):
will the new EK 380's have the range to do DXB to the US West Coast?

Very possibly, but only those assembled after MSN95, BA's first, and the first aircraft introducing a higher MTOW and other tweaks like a wing twist change. It's not about having the range, but about the range to do it with a meaningful payload for EK. If those couple extra tons MTOW are enough, I guess we'll find out through future EK route annoucements  

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: jumpjet
Posted 2013-02-18 05:09:51 and read 44504 times.

A few daft questions please...

Anyone any idea when the first BA A380 will emerge from the paintshop? Is the interior fully fitted out before paint and how many BA airframes are now "complete"?

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-02-18 08:01:38 and read 44192 times.

Quoting jumpjet (Reply 120):
Is the interior fully fitted out before paint...

BA performs cabin outfitting (at least for the premium cabins) at Cardiff so I would guess this would be the case for the A380.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: art
Posted 2013-02-18 08:17:10 and read 44154 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 121):
BA performs cabin outfitting (at least for the premium cabins) at Cardiff so I would guess this would be the case for the A380

If it still takes Airbus a long time to outfit an A380 after doing it 100 times, how long would it take BA with no previous experience?

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Tristarsteve
Posted 2013-02-18 09:20:17 and read 43980 times.

Quoting art (Reply 122):
If it still takes Airbus a long time to outfit an A380 after doing it 100 times, how long would it take BA with no previous experience?

You are comparing apples and oranges.
BA installs the premium seats at Cardiff, the Boeings arrive with all the wall and ceiling panels and PSUs etc fitted.
But I believe the A380 is being fully fitted at XFW, all the A320 fleet are.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: someone83
Posted 2013-02-18 11:08:44 and read 43807 times.

China Southern's firth and final (MSN120) was ferried down to TLS for preparation for delivery today


To bad the A380production blogg has died making in harder to follow the production these days

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: petera380
Posted 2013-02-18 11:14:58 and read 43863 times.

Quoting someone83 (Reply 124):
To bad the A380production blogg has died making in harder to follow the production these days

I believe Airbus had a hand in shutting it down!   

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-02-18 14:38:31 and read 43572 times.

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 86):
Airbus is currently applying the final fix on MSN 095, BA #1.

Either they have the approval for the final fix, which was expected to be issued at the end of 2012 / beginning of 2013, or maybe kind of an exception to apply the final fix on an airframe currently in production (not an expert in that respect).
Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 89):
It's a repair (restoring the item to its intended function and performance, although it will not conform to the baseline engineering drawings), as opposed to rework to the new wing standard (bringing the item into full conformance with the new baseline engineering drawings)

Just to clarify, it sounds like this will be built *at risk* with the "permanent repair" instead of the new wing? Its perfectly legal to make an aircraft off drawing to a new as yet un-certified standard. But there is a risk that they must be brought to a new standard to enter commercial service. (The best example would be the 'terrible teen 787s.')

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 102):
1) The newLong Thanh International Airport should support the A380 but won't be ready until 2020 at least.

And then domestic flights will be split... I am not in favor of split hubs. That pushes connections elsewhere (I've yet to see 'easy enough' domestic transfers for the 1st time traveler between airports.).

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 114):
The first century is coming up. Though much later the originally anticipated, it will still be quite a memorable moment.

I'm excited.   


Lightsaber

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: N14AZ
Posted 2013-02-18 16:40:17 and read 43981 times.

Quoting petera380 (Reply 125):
I believe Airbus had a hand in shutting it down!

Is that really true? I mean they didn't do anything illegal there so an which basis would Airbus be able to threaten them?
Spotting movements in TLS and in XFW is not illegal, nor is it to take photos during the convoy when the fuselage parts pass this little village in France.

I thought it was rather about the fees for keeping the forum online.
Any information would be highly appreciated. Anyway, thank you for your good work in the last years.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 121):
BA performs cabin outfitting (at least for the premium cabins) at Cardiff so I would guess this would be the case for the A380.

Did they make this for all their recent B 777 deliveries?

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 123):
But I believe the A380 is being fully fitted at XFW, all the A320 fleet are.

I also would be suprised if they didn't do it in XFW. It would be the first A 380-operator that completes the cabin outfitting on his own. But who knows.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-02-18 17:21:15 and read 43917 times.

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 127):
Did they make this for all their recent B 777 deliveries?

Yes. Boeing delivered the planes with the World Traveller Plus and World Traveller cabins installed. BA Engineering than handled installation of First Class and Club World at Cardiff.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: jumpjet
Posted 2013-02-19 01:53:23 and read 43604 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 128):
Yes. Boeing delivered the planes with the World Traveller Plus and World Traveller cabins installed. BA Engineering than handled installation of First Class and Club World at Cardiff.

So, can anyone confirm that this is going to happen with the BA A380s? Sounds a bit improbable to me!

S when is the first BA A380 going to be emerging from the paintshop and is the normal way of doing things to fully outfit the interior before final paint?

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: ZKCIF
Posted 2013-02-19 03:00:56 and read 43389 times.

Quoting jumpjet (Reply 129):
S when is the first BA A380 going to be emerging from the paintshop and is the normal way of doing things to fully outfit the interior before final paint?

Hard to say but the plane will be delivered in June 2013 if it helps

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Bongodog1964
Posted 2013-02-19 03:02:28 and read 43430 times.

Quoting jumpjet (Reply 129):
Quoting Stitch (Reply 128):
Yes. Boeing delivered the planes with the World Traveller Plus and World Traveller cabins installed. BA Engineering than handled installation of First Class and Club World at Cardiff.

So, can anyone confirm that this is going to happen with the BA A380s? Sounds a bit improbable to me!

Silly question, but is Cardiff maintenance A380 compatible space wise, and secondly with the BA long haul fleet gradually expanding at what point does Cardiff run out of capacity ?

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: N14AZ
Posted 2013-02-19 04:25:09 and read 43211 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 128):
Yes. Boeing delivered the planes with the World Traveller Plus and World Traveller cabins installed. BA Engineering than handled installation of First Class and Club World at Cardiff.

Thanks for the information.

Quoting jumpjet (Reply 129):
is the normal way of doing things to fully outfit the interior before final paint?

So far we saw two approaches. A - painting after cabin outfitting or B - cabin outfitting interrupted for two weeks for painting.
The latter is most probably to optimize the utilization of the painting facilities.

Quoting jumpjet (Reply 129):
So when is the first BA A380 going to be emerging from the paintshop

If delivery is planned for the end of June I would say roll-out from the painting hangar at the end of April at the latest.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: jumpjet
Posted 2013-02-19 04:27:23 and read 43198 times.

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 132):
So far we saw two approaches. A - painting after cabin outfitting or B - cabin outfitting interrupted for two weeks for painting.
The latter is most probably to optimize the utilization of the painting facilities.

Quoting jumpjet (Reply 129):
So when is the first BA A380 going to be emerging from the paintshop

If delivery is planned for the end of June I would say roll-out from the painting hangar at the end of April at the latest.

Many thanks for your reply. Very grateful...

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-02-19 04:35:37 and read 43328 times.

The first BA A380 (MSN095) is now in its 15th outfit-week since arrival at XFW. Outfitting usually takes ~ 17 weeks for a new customer, so I expect the roll out somewhere next month. However, MSN095 will also undergo wing repair but it's not clear to me if this will be done in XFW or TLS. Depending on this issue the roll out might last longer.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: jumpjet
Posted 2013-02-19 05:47:40 and read 43064 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 134):
The first BA A380 (MSN095) is now in its 15th outfit-week since arrival at XFW. Outfitting usually takes ~ 17 weeks for a new customer, so I expect the roll out somewhere next month. However, MSN095 will also undergo wing repair but it's not clear to me if this will be done in XFW or TLS. Depending on this issue the roll out might last longer.

Should be worth the wait. I always think it's quite exciting to see a new airliner in the livery of a new customer airline. As BA is something of a national icon in the UK as it's the "flag carrier", it'll be something of a landmark occasion. I went up to LHR especially for the first ever visit of an A380 when a test aircraft landed. I remember all the A-Netters at the Green Man pub with their laptops racing to get the first photo on the web!

I'll do my best to be there when the first BA A380 lands at it's home base...   

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-02-22 12:52:17 and read 42245 times.

MSN094 MH #5 has been delivered today.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: speedygonzales
Posted 2013-02-22 14:29:49 and read 42127 times.

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 127):
Is that really true? I mean they didn't do anything illegal there so an which basis would Airbus be able to threaten them?
Spotting movements in TLS and in XFW is not illegal, nor is it to take photos during the convoy when the fuselage parts pass this little village in France.

It might have been due to copyright issues as that blog was notorious for using Airbus' and other people's pictures without giving credit or obtaining permission.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: art
Posted 2013-02-22 14:50:18 and read 42037 times.

Quoting Wolbo (Reply 111):
MSN094 (9M-MNE) was delivered today, the 5th for Malaysia Airlines and the 98th A380 in total.

Above was posted 7 Feb 2013.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 136):
MSN094 MH #5 has been delivered today.

Above was posted 22 Feb 2013. Which one is right? You haven't confused MSN094 with another, have you KarelXWB?

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-02-22 15:01:14 and read 42009 times.

Sorry, my mistake. MSN094 was delivered around February 7 but the delivery flight to KUL was today.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KL5147
Posted 2013-02-23 01:44:15 and read 41565 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 139):
MSN094 was delivered around February 7 but the delivery flight to KUL was today

I saw a MH A380 at Finkenwerder Monday Feb 18th. She made one take off roll but did not get airborne. It then returned to the facility again. (I could not read the regi, nor the MSN #, but guess this was MSN 094)
There was also a CZ A380 on the ramp.
Tuesday 19th I saw the MH bird climb out and on Wednesday Feb 20, no A380's were seen at EDHI / XFW.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: mjoelnir
Posted 2013-02-23 01:58:35 and read 41501 times.

Quoting KL5147 (Reply 140):
I saw a MH A380 at Finkenwerder Monday Feb 18th. She made one take off roll but did not get airborne. It then returned to the facility again. (I could not read the regi, nor the MSN #, but guess this was MSN 094)

You saw a rejected take of, it is a test. It could be the next MH MSN 114.

MSN 094 was at that time at the delivery centre in TLS.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: ZKCIF
Posted 2013-02-23 02:04:01 and read 41516 times.

Quoting speedygonzales (Reply 137):
It might have been due to copyright issues as that blog was notorious for using Airbus' and other people's pictures without giving credit or obtaining permission.

if Airbus contributed to the end of the blog, they were not wise. have you ever seen a band or a sports team trying to ban a fan club promoting them?

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: mjoelnir
Posted 2013-02-23 02:06:00 and read 41515 times.

Quoting speedygonzales (Reply 137):

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 127):
Is that really true? I mean they didn't do anything illegal there so an which basis would Airbus be able to threaten them?
Spotting movements in TLS and in XFW is not illegal, nor is it to take photos during the convoy when the fuselage parts pass this little village in France.

It might have been due to copyright issues as that blog was notorious for using Airbus' and other people's pictures without giving credit or obtaining permission.

I followed the blog and forum and posted a few times pictures and videos were usually by the guys themselves or it was a link.

If you would be right, than in comparison A-Net should be down a long time ago.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-02-23 03:46:49 and read 41375 times.

Quoting KL5147 (Reply 140):
I saw a MH A380 at Finkenwerder Monday Feb 18th. She made one take off roll but did not get airborne. It then returned to the facility again. (I could not read the regi, nor the MSN #, but guess this was MSN 094)
Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 141):
You saw a rejected take of, it is a test. It could be the next MH MSN 114.

   MSN114 performed a cabin flight test too.

Here is a nice video of MSN114's CFF: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FFnqdwNdP2M (uploaded by xfw-spotter).

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-02-23 03:50:11 and read 41453 times.

Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 142):
if Airbus contributed to the end of the blog, they were not wise. have you ever seen a band or a sports team trying to ban a fan club promoting them?
Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 143):
I followed the blog and forum and posted a few times pictures and videos were usually by the guys themselves or it was a link.

If you would be right, than in comparison A-Net should be down a long time ago.

Airbus did not shut down the a380production blog, I believe the owner has found other interests. A new production forum has been created at http://doubledecker.boards.net/

Anyway, let's not go offtopic in this thread.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: mjoelnir
Posted 2013-02-23 07:57:16 and read 41008 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 145):
Airbus did not shut down the a380production blog, I believe the owner has found other interests. A new production forum has been created at http://doubledecker.boards.net/

Thank you for that information.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: someone83
Posted 2013-02-24 23:28:15 and read 40213 times.

MSN132 (EK's 36th) has been transfered to XFW for outfitting

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-02-27 10:35:37 and read 39251 times.

MSN138 EK 42th has been confirmed as the new frame carried on the latest convoy. 3 more frames to go and EK will have half of their A380 order.

11 frames for EK are now in various stages of assembly:

- MSN113 #32 rolled out in XFW
- MSN116 #33 cabin outfitting in XFW
- MSN119 #34 cabin outfitting in XFW
- MSN123 #35 cabin outfitting in XFW
- MSN132 #36 cabin outfitting in XFW
- MSN127 #37 undergoing final assembly in TLS
- MSN133 #38 undergoing final assembly in TLS
- MSN134 #39 undergoing final assembly in TLS
- MSN135 #40 undergoing final assembly in TLS
- MSN136 #41 undergoing body join in TLS
- MSN138 #42 awaiting body join in TLS

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-02-28 01:24:14 and read 38709 times.

Quoting someone83 (Reply 124):
China Southern's firth and final (MSN120) was ferried down to TLS for preparation for delivery today

MSN120 is now wearing its final registration (B-6140):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/8512697035/in/photostream

This was the last CZ A380 on order.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: scouseflyer
Posted 2013-02-28 04:31:10 and read 38224 times.

Is the boat still stuck on the sandbank outside Mostyn - when I took the kids to the beach last Sunday it was still there - it's got to be really hurting now if it's still out of action.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: mjoelnir
Posted 2013-02-28 04:34:41 and read 38216 times.

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 150):
Is the boat still stuck on the sandbank outside Mostyn - when I took the kids to the beach last Sunday it was still there - it's got to be really hurting now if it's still out of action.

It was refloated on the 9th of February.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-03-07 02:31:31 and read 37756 times.

Expected deliveries for the next months:

March
- MSN114 MH
- MSN122 TG

April
- MSN113 EK

May
- MSN116 EK
- MSN119 EK

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: bycac
Posted 2013-03-07 07:07:22 and read 37253 times.

Acceptance flight for MSN114 , to be delivered soon normaly.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bycac/8535967189/in/photostream

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KennyK
Posted 2013-03-07 14:43:36 and read 36867 times.

Is MSN120 for China Southern the next delivery?, #99, if so when, and will that mean MSN114 for MH will be #100?

That will also mean the completion of both these airlines order books with 5 and 6 delivered respectively.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: mjoelnir
Posted 2013-03-07 15:12:27 and read 36823 times.

Quoting KennyK (Reply 154):
Is MSN120 for China Southern the next delivery?,

MSN 120 was delivered on the first of March.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Someone83
Posted 2013-03-08 02:29:07 and read 36480 times.

MSN115, #9 for AF finallay had its first flight at TLS today

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-03-09 09:06:29 and read 35791 times.

MSN139 EK #43 has been confirmed as the new frame being carried on Convoy #10.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: r2rho
Posted 2013-03-11 09:49:10 and read 35073 times.

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 151):
Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 150):
Is the boat still stuck on the sandbank outside Mostyn - when I took the kids to the beach last Sunday it was still there - it's got to be really hurting now if it's still out of action.

It was refloated on the 9th of February.

Interestingly, this ship was also the first carrying A400M wings from Filton. Due to the definitive closure of FZO by BAE, Airbus can no longer fly the Beluga there, so A400M wings will be sent by road to Royal Portbury dock, where they are loaded onto the ro-ro vessels. So apparently A380 and A400M wings will be sharing the ride from now on.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-03-12 13:24:20 and read 34294 times.

MSN114 is now wearing its final registration which means the 100th A380 has been delivered.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/8552380250/in/photostream/

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: EPA001
Posted 2013-03-12 13:30:52 and read 34283 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 159):

MSN114 is now wearing its final registration which means the 100th A380 has been delivered.

Which is a milestone reached. Even if it was much more of a burden then expected, still congrats to all involved parties and persons are in place.     

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: hannahpa
Posted 2013-03-13 17:50:16 and read 33677 times.

I know this has been discussed adnausium, but every time I see any information on the A380, I ask myself: When are they going to build the 380-900??? I just cant wait to see that bahemouth in the air, let alone get a chance to fly in it....

Please bear with me. I am like a kid in a candy store when it comes to this subject.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: VV701
Posted 2013-03-14 06:20:28 and read 33291 times.

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 131):
with the BA long haul fleet gradually expanding at what point does Cardiff run out of capacity ?

This may have already happened. For example 744 G-BNLI positioned to SIN on 13 January for heavy maintenance. It returned to LHR on 3 March. G-CIVC then positioned to SIN for maintenance the following day, 4 March.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2013-03-14 06:56:12 and read 33187 times.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 162):
This may have already happened.

This is due to lack of hangar capacity at Heathrow as the second of two hangars are made A380 ready, hence a drop in capacity.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-03-17 06:49:55 and read 32248 times.

MSN140 EK #44 will be carried on convoy #11 (convoy will start tonight).

1 more frame to go and Airbus is half through the EK order of 90 A380s.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: thegeek
Posted 2013-03-18 03:18:44 and read 31438 times.

Quoting hannahpa (Reply 161):
When are they going to build the 380-900???

This article reckons 2020 for launch: http://www.ausbt.com.au/supersizing-...1-000-seat-airbus-a380-due-by-2020

I guess that would mean EIS in the early to mid 2020s. Don't hold your breath, is I guess what I'm saying.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: sf260
Posted 2013-03-18 04:04:08 and read 31262 times.

I think Airbus can launch it as early as (Le Bourget) 2017 with EIS for 2020-22, with (slightly) updated engines for -800 and -900. Most of A350 and A320neo engineering should be finished (not that the -900 derivative requires that much work) and A380 production should be as streamlined as it can get by 2017.
Current order book dries up around 2018 and I see no airline in a hurry to order large quatities soon (except TK and some smaller follow-on orders). I can see some current A380 operators start thinking about A380 replacement by the end of this decade, and these will also be the most likely candidates for the -900.

The 'problem' is the current -800 is just 'too good' and has almost no competition, Airbus is not in a hurry to launch the -900 as it will only cannibalize -800 sales for the moment. Then there is also the current economic climate and production issues which are not helping either.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Semaex
Posted 2013-03-18 08:14:43 and read 30973 times.

So which operators are interested in a -900?
Out of my head I can remember LH stating they have an interest, EK wouldn't be a hard guess and CX would in fact only order the bigger jet.
Is that it or were there more?

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: sf260
Posted 2013-03-18 11:14:52 and read 30742 times.

Off the top of my head, LH, AF, EK, CX, VS (fwiw) and SUH have all publicly stated they are interested in a larger variant. I can imagine other airlines like BA and SQ also showing interest in the -900 by the end of this decade, for EIS 2022-2025, as well as some Chinese carriers.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: thegeek
Posted 2013-03-18 15:48:14 and read 30362 times.

QF could use a small number, particularly for SYD-LAX. Not sure about their LHR ops.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: ZKCIF
Posted 2013-03-21 05:50:03 and read 29700 times.

A little overview of where we stand is due.
Prior to January 1, 2013 we had 97 deliveries. With the completion of Convoy 11 it looks like we can know what will be delivered in 2013 as there is a long long break befoe Convoy 12 starts, and the new frame will hardly make it this year.

In short, in the most optimistic scenario this year will see 25 deliveries (in comparison with 30 we saw in 2012). this is of course the consequence of the wing crack issue.

The change during this year should be:

EK 31+13=44
SQ 19-------19
QF 12--------12
LH 10--------10
AF 8+1=9
KE 6+2=8
MH 4+2=6 (both already delivered)
TG 3+3=6 (the first of those may be ferried to BKK before the weekend, already wearing HS-TUD reg.)
CZ 4+1=5 (already delivered)
BA 0+3=3

What to think of MSN 002, I just don't know.

Some people (who are likely to be in the know) write http://doubledecker.boards.net/thread/321/2014-deliveries that 4 EK frames may have deliveries shifted to 2014 because of wing fixes. Of course, in this case we will only get 21 deliveries this year and will thus reach 118 rather than 122.

It is highly likely that the next frame to be convoyed is MSN137, #1 Qatar which is the one with the permanent wing fix.

Good flights to everyone.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: bycac
Posted 2013-03-21 12:46:17 and read 29203 times.

BAW number 3 ! Normally RTO today but not seen...noramlly first flight tomorrow and after go to XFW !
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bycac/8578375834/in/photostream

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: art
Posted 2013-03-21 16:19:53 and read 28831 times.

Sorry if this has been raised before...

The flow of A380 production throughout the year does not look very smooth:

Deliveries

***** Q Q Q Q
2009 0 3 3 4
2010 3 4 7 4
2011 3 7 6 9
2012 4 6 7 13
2013 4

Q1 2011 + Q1 2012 deliveries = 7
Q4 2011 + Q4 2012 deliveries = 22

Is this end of year target chasing? If so, what's the point - it looks like it just reduces the following year's Q1 figures. I imagine it would be more efficient for production to run more smoothly.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: JValjean
Posted 2013-03-21 17:52:20 and read 28701 times.

Quoting art (Reply 172):
Is this end of year target chasing? If so, what's the point - it looks like it just reduces the following year's Q1 figures. I imagine it would be more efficient for production to run more smoothly.

Perhaps it might be a means of avoiding/minimizing significant financial penalties (i.e. penalties > potential savings derived from increased production efficiency) that would otherwise be due to customers if deliveries "slip" into a later quarter than has been contractually stipulated.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: thegeek
Posted 2013-03-21 19:00:55 and read 28655 times.

Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 170):
In short, in the most optimistic scenario this year will see 25 deliveries (in comparison with 30 we saw in 2012). this is of course the consequence of the wing crack issue.

Interesting. So is there a realistic chance of reaching 3 per month in 2014?

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: HB-IWC
Posted 2013-03-21 20:33:48 and read 28666 times.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 169):
Some people (who are likely to be in the know) write http://doubledecker.boards.net/thread/321/2014-deliveries that 4 EK frames may have deliveries shifted to 2014 because of wing fixes. Of course, in this case we will only get 21 deliveries this year and will thus reach 118 rather than 122.

Emirates has stated that it will put 9 frames into operation during 2013, so your information of 10 frames delivered to EK in 2013 is likely correct as frame #10 will more than likely be put into operation on 01JAN14.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: someone83
Posted 2013-03-22 00:05:14 and read 28524 times.

MSN128, KE's #8, was transfered to outfitting in XFW earlier this week

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: bycac
Posted 2013-03-22 04:04:22 and read 28719 times.

HS-TUD was delivered this morning THA8945 !

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: hannahpa
Posted 2013-03-22 14:53:25 and read 28167 times.

Quoting bycac (Reply 177):

Who did it go to???? Is this #101????

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Asiaflyer
Posted 2013-03-22 17:41:52 and read 28032 times.

Quoting hannahpa (Reply 178):

It is TG's #4. See reply 170 above.  

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: someone83
Posted 2013-03-25 07:23:13 and read 27260 times.

MSN124, BA's third, is having its first flight and is being ferried from TLS to outfitting in XFW today

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-03-25 11:20:32 and read 27016 times.

Lufthansa Technik has been carrying out a full-life repair on one of the German carrier's A380s at Frankfurt since February, and says the work takes 40-50 days.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...0-wing-fix-nearly-complete-383847/

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: LH422
Posted 2013-03-25 13:39:27 and read 26745 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 181):
Lufthansa Technik has been carrying out a full-life repair on one of the German carrier's A380s at Frankfurt since February, and says the work takes 40-50 days.

So this is D-AIMB?

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-03-25 13:41:47 and read 26754 times.

Yes, D-AIMB it is  

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-03-26 13:51:50 and read 26245 times.

MSN095, the first A380 for BA, entered the paint hanger today.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: timboflier215
Posted 2013-03-26 14:07:06 and read 26174 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 184):

Hurrah! About time!!

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: EPA001
Posted 2013-03-26 14:10:07 and read 26198 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 184):
MSN095, the first A380 for BA, entered the paint hanger today.

Good news for BA and the A380.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: jumpjet
Posted 2013-03-27 05:37:54 and read 25662 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 184):
MSN095, the first A380 for BA, entered the paint hanger today.

Not long to wait then before we see the finished article in all it's glory!

How long will it be in the paint shop?

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: VV701
Posted 2013-03-27 08:35:21 and read 25493 times.

I think - but do not know - that the reason BA has either installed the premium class seats in new long-haul aircraft or had them installed by Marshalls Aerospace at CBG (Cambridge) is that the seats concerned were of European manufacture. So transporting them to PAE and then back to LHR on delivery was more costly than installing them on the eastern side of the Atlantic after delivery.

I think this all started with the delivery of 744 G-CIVP back in early 1998 just after BA had launched their 1st generation lie-flat J Class seat. That aircraft was ferried PAE-CBG to Marshalls on delivery on 17 February 1998 . I think all of the remaining sixteen BA 744s followed it directly to CBG to be fitted with the new J Class seat with the exception of G-CIVT that I believe had its seats fitted by BA at LHR.

Much more recently BA fitted the F and J Class seats to its small fleet of 77Ws after they were ferried PAE-CWL on delivery.

So I expect that all the seats will be fitted in the BA 380s at XFW. But I think that the two 77Ws scheduled to be delivered in September and November and the first of the 787s will have their J and, where appropriate, F Class seats fitted by BA at CWL after delivery.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-03-27 10:39:54 and read 25354 times.

Quoting jumpjet (Reply 187):
Not long to wait then before we see the finished article in all it's glory!

How long will it be in the paint shop?

A week or so.

Latest information however says that BA won't pull it to the flightline but instead keep it inside until the official roll-out ceremony. So it may take a while before we will see it.

Also, David Kaminski-Morrow from Flightglobal just tweeted this:

Quote:
Little bird tells me British Airways is considering a proposition to fly its first #Airbus #A380 at the Paris Air Show. #PAS13


[Edited 2013-03-27 10:41:33]

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: EPA001
Posted 2013-03-27 17:25:53 and read 24986 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 189):
Also, David Kaminski-Morrow from Flightglobal just tweeted this:

Quote:
Little bird tells me British Airways is considering a proposition to fly its first #Airbus #A380 at the Paris Air Show. #PAS13

That would be a good marketing deal for BA there.  

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Tristarsteve
Posted 2013-03-29 11:27:14 and read 24421 times.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 188):
So I expect that all the seats will be fitted in the BA 380s at XFW. But I think that the two 77Ws scheduled to be delivered in September and November and the first of the 787s will have their J and, where appropriate, F Class seats fitted by BA at CWL after delivery.

I have seen pictures taken at Hamburg of the BA A380 with Club seats installed, and the B787 at Seattle also with Club seats installed.
The same source (internal BA) says the A380 will leave the paint bay on April 15.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: someone83
Posted 2013-04-02 13:03:14 and read 23669 times.

MSN132, Emirates #32, had its Cabin first flight at XFW today. Delivery is expected later this month

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Focker
Posted 2013-04-02 13:21:31 and read 23562 times.

Quoting someone83 (Reply 192):
MSN132, Emirates #32, had its Cabin first flight at XFW today. Delivery is expected later this month

It is MSN 113

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-05 05:43:24 and read 22860 times.

MSN095 BA #1 is now outside in full livery, no pictures yet.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: MWHCVT
Posted 2013-04-05 05:54:09 and read 22837 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 194):

MSN095 BA #1 is now outside in full livery, no pictures yet.

Now that's just teasing  

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-05 06:01:37 and read 22969 times.

Pictures are coming in:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHFsR2-CAAEDRpk.jpg:large

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: MWHCVT
Posted 2013-04-05 06:03:37 and read 22888 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 196):

Pictures are coming in:



Best looking A380 ever hands down

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: EPA001
Posted 2013-04-05 17:11:42 and read 22428 times.

Quoting MWHCVT (Reply 197):
Best looking A380 ever hands down

I like the liveries of Thai International Airways and especially Korean Air also very much on the A380. But this looking quite good as well to me.  .

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 196):
Pictures are coming in:

Thanks for posting the picture.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Semaex
Posted 2013-04-07 12:12:22 and read 21672 times.

Quoting MWHCVT (Reply 197):
Best looking A380 ever hands down

I'll decide when (if?) the VN bird comes out of the paint hangar  
But I must give credit to BA, they've done a good job. The only tiny bit I would change is the shade of blue. Darker would be nice.

So which paintjob are we going to see next for a first on the A380? QR, EY, OZ or something completely different?

// edit
on second thought.... I will absolutely Love the Qatar livery!

[Edited 2013-04-07 12:18:26]

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-04-07 21:52:17 and read 21108 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 196):
Pictures are coming in:

I rather like how they've adapted the livery for the size of the A380. I expected to say otherwise (or more likely, hold my tongue),

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Aviaponcho
Posted 2013-04-08 00:38:28 and read 20794 times.

Hello

It could have been better with a more refined wing to body joint ... The grey of the wings is interrupting the blue belly line unfortunately (in my opinion)

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: bongodog1964
Posted 2013-04-08 02:39:05 and read 21042 times.

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 201):
It could have been better with a more refined wing to body joint ... The grey of the wings is interrupting the blue belly line unfortunately (in my opinion)

From the side you are right, if however you were looking up in the sky as it flies overhead the blue and grey will look correct. Taking the blue higher up onto the fairing, would then spread it outwards when viewed in flight.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: VV701
Posted 2013-04-08 02:42:38 and read 21026 times.

Quoting Semaex (Reply 199):
The only tiny bit I would change is the shade of blue. Darker would be nice.

This is likely a function of the colour temperature of the night time lighting.

Overcast daylight has a colour temperature of around 5,500 degrees Kelvin (the colour of a black body heated to 5,500 degrees Absolute or Kelvin).

Blue sky daylight can have a much higher colour temperature - 15.000 to 25,000 degrees Kelvin or even higher.

But photoflood lighting has a low colour temperature of around 3,200 degrees Kelvin and this is visually significantly different to daylight.

Variations in the colour of the illumination will change the apparent appearance of many different colours. So if you are trying to match colours, view the items you are trying to match under the lighting conditions they are most likely to be seen in. Two items that look to match in daylight can look very different to each other in tungsten light. Indeed back in the days of silver halide colour film the manufacturers produced two different types of colour positive (slide or cine) film "Daylight" (for daylight or electronic flash) and "Type A" (for 3,200 degree tungsten lighting). Hence "Kodachrome II" and "Kodachrome II Type A".

I am sure that the blue paint used by BA on their 380s will be the same as that used of all their other frames. It will look darker in daylight.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: art
Posted 2013-04-08 03:48:31 and read 20934 times.

Sorry if this is a bit off the current topic (A380 livery production). Regarding thw wing fix:

Quote:
Work still is being performed on these aircraft, he adds. Last month, Lufthansa Technik Chairman August Wilhelm Henningsen told Aviation Week that the company was carrying out the permanent wing feet repairs on one of Lufthansa’s A380s at its Frankfurt facility, and that the retrofit takes 40 to 50 days.

The MRO division of the Lufthansa Group has contracts to perform the permanent retrofits on 31 A380s: 10 from Lufthansa’s fleet, 12 for Qantas and nine for Emirates Airline.

The work on the Qantas A380 fleet will be conducted at Lufthansa Technik’s facility in Manila, while Ameco Beijing will carry out the Emirates retrofits.

Air France Industries KLM Engineering & Maintenance, meanwhile, says it may perform permanent retrofits on Air France’s A380; until now, the temporary wing repairs of Air France’s fleet have been “mostly handed over to Airbus,” says AFI KLM E&M
http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....l/avd_04_03_2013_p03-01-565033.xml

40-50 days is a long time out of service but perhaps that is the time it would take for any company to do the work. I wonder how much it will cost Airbus to compensate airlines for roughly 100 x 40-50 days = 4,000-5,000 days loss of service + cost of doing the work if Airbus does not do it.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: bongodog1964
Posted 2013-04-08 03:53:17 and read 20897 times.

Quoting art (Reply 204):
40-50 days is a long time out of service but perhaps that is the time it would take for any company to do the work. I wonder how much it will cost Airbus to compensate airlines for roughly 100 x 40-50 days = 4,000-5,000 days loss of service + cost of doing the work if Airbus does not do it.

It was mentioned a while back that the work would be done in conjunction with a major check. I know that BA takes about 30 days to do a D check on a 744, on that basis its not a huge extra amount of down time.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: queb
Posted 2013-04-08 05:37:55 and read 20680 times.

Quoting bongodog1964 (Reply 205):
It was mentioned a while back that the work would be done in conjunction with a major check. I know that BA takes about 30 days to do a D check on a 744, on that basis its not a huge extra amount of down time.

the first A380 structural check is due after 6000 flight hours, they can not wait so long.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: bongodog1964
Posted 2013-04-08 06:12:19 and read 20627 times.

Quoting queb (Reply 206):
the first A380 structural check is due after 6000 flight hours, they can not wait so long.

Why not, after all many of the early 380's are way beyond 6000 hours now. Airbus was reported in January as offering a repair schedule that could be incorporated into the planes next C check. If the cut off tiem for the repair was 6000 hours there would be a lot of grounded 380's now, as thats only about 16 months utilisation.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-09 02:18:03 and read 20123 times.

MSN137 QR #1 has been confirmed as the new frame being carried on Convoy 2013/12. The convoy is currently on its way to TLS.

[Edited 2013-04-09 02:18:21]

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: swallow
Posted 2013-04-09 02:53:33 and read 20013 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 208):
MSN137 QR #1 has been confirmed as the new frame being carried on Convoy 2013/12

And the first convoy with the modified wings. Great to see.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: someone83
Posted 2013-04-10 12:29:03 and read 19335 times.

MSN133, 37th to EK, had first flight and ferry to XFW today

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: 747classic
Posted 2013-04-11 00:42:17 and read 18903 times.

According several sources Air France has negotiated a delivery delay of four A380 aircraft (two scheduled for 2013 and two for 2014), also one option has been cancelled.

See (Dutch only) : http://www.telegraaf.nl/dft/bedrijve...elt_levering_Airbussen_uit___.html

See (French only) : http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-...ison-de-plusieurs-airbus-a380.html

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-11 00:58:44 and read 18836 times.

There is/was only 1 AF delivery scheduled for this year (MSN 115).

[Edited 2013-04-11 01:11:08]

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-11 01:21:49 and read 18794 times.

I read the article and I'm wondering where they get that information. Air France last 2 units were already postponed until 2016 (a year ago). This is the current schedule I have:

- MSN115: 2013 delivery, currently in XFW for outfitting
- MSN117: 2014 delivery, will be on one of the next convoys
- MSN??? & MSN???: 2016 delivery, numbers not yet allocated

[Edited 2013-04-11 01:23:19]

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-11 04:11:53 and read 18491 times.

Ok, it seems like the Dutch websites have translated it incorrectly (as usual  ).

Quote:
Discussions therefore focus on four copies, which should be initially delivered in spring 2013 (for the 9th and 10th copies) in 2014 and for the last two. Asked Air France said finalizing discussions for the delivery of the ninth A380 is shifted to September 2013 as the tenth is in April 2014.

MSN115 AF #9 will be delivered in September 2013
MSN117 AF #10 will be delivered in April 2014

The delivery of MSN115 shifted a few months to September 2013 while MSN117 slips from 2013 into 2014, that also explains why the convoy of MSN117 is later than expected. And the last 2 units of the order of 12 will be delivered 'later', but as far as I know that has always been 2016.

[Edited 2013-04-11 04:13:44]

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-11 13:56:46 and read 18039 times.

MSN5001, the fatigue test frame, is now being slowly dismantled. The fatigue testing comes to an end.

Quote:
Nach 8 Jahren Ermüdungstest des A380 bei der IMA/IABG in Dresden, wird dieser nun langsam demontiert. Der lange Zeitraum zeigt die Komplexität der neuen Werkstoffe und Konstruktion, und der damit verbundenen Probleme bzw. der neu eingeschlagenen Wege in der Luftfahrt.
Interessant dürft noch einmal der Abtransport der einzelnen Zellen werden, es sei denn, es wird alles fein säuberlich vor Ort zerlegt.

Translated:

Quote:
After 8 years of fatigue testing of the A380 at the IMA / IABG in Dresden, this is now being slowly dismantled. The long period shows the complexity of the new materials and construction, and the associated problems and the newly chosen path in aviation. Dared to be interesting again, the removal of the individual cells, unless it is all disassembled neatly on the ground.
http://www.flugzeugforum.de/airbus-a...aktuell-23086-176.html#post1858525

http://www.dresden-airport.de/tycon/pic.php?imgurl=%2Fmedia%2Fbildergalerien%2Fgebaeude%2F13_testhalle.jpg&height=372&width=520

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: someone83
Posted 2013-04-15 23:24:06 and read 17357 times.

Yesterday, both MSN127 (EK #37) and MSN131 (TG #6) had their first engine runs. So first flight and transfer to XFW shouldn't be that far away. MSN116 (EK #33) had its first cabin flight, so on schedule for a May delivery

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Someone83
Posted 2013-04-22 03:52:06 and read 16298 times.

MSN144, BA's #4, is being confirmed as the frame on convoy 13/2013

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: queb
Posted 2013-04-22 05:28:53 and read 16062 times.

The vertical tail section for the first A380 for Qatar Airways has been painted.

http://www.servimg.com/u/f79/17/03/84/59/a380_q10.jpg

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: A388
Posted 2013-04-22 05:39:55 and read 16005 times.

Quoting queb (Reply 218):
The vertical tail section for the first A380 for Qatar Airways has been painted.

That tail looks really small compared to the guys walking in front of it but I'm sure that's just the obtical illusion (the tail is probably much further away than you think it is on the photo).

In any case, that QR 380 will be one of the best looking 380's yet. I also love the BA 380 

A388

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-22 05:41:18 and read 16025 times.

And here is the press release (including a high-res picture):

http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...irst-a380-rolls-out-of-paint-shop/

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: EPA001
Posted 2013-04-22 05:47:22 and read 15995 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 219):
In any case, that QR A380 will be one of the best looking 380's yet. I also love the BA 380 

I have high expectations of the QR-livery on the A380 as well.  .

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: LH422
Posted 2013-04-22 07:12:18 and read 15784 times.

It seems that D-AIMB, the LH plane receiving the final wing crack fixes, did a test flight yesterday after being in maintenance for a long time.

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/d-aimb

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Unflug
Posted 2013-04-22 08:23:41 and read 15615 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 219):
That tail looks really small compared to the guys walking in front of it but I'm sure that's just the obtical illusion (the tail is probably much further away than you think it is on the photo).

If you look at the building you see that the camera view is not horizontal, it is looking upwards...

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-22 08:47:25 and read 15671 times.

Another view:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BId2nlaCMAATIZY.jpg:large

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: travelavnut
Posted 2013-04-22 13:02:01 and read 15359 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 219):
That tail looks really small compared to the guys walking in front of it but I'm sure that's just the obtical illusion (the tail is probably much further away than you think it is on the photo).

I had the same feeling, until...

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 224):
Another view:

Love the livery on the tail, think the Whale will look awesome in the Qatar colors...

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Someone83
Posted 2013-04-23 20:12:39 and read 14793 times.

MSN127, EK #38, had its first flight and transfer to XFW for outfitting yesterday. MSN131, TG #6, should follow soon

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Someone83
Posted 2013-04-29 07:34:27 and read 14324 times.

Seems like MSN121, BA's 2nd, now is on the flightline in XFW fully painted

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-03 07:51:39 and read 13577 times.

MSN137 in body join:


(uploaded by A380_TLS)

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: BoeingVista
Posted 2013-05-03 09:32:55 and read 13290 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 215):
MSN5001, the fatigue test frame, is now being slowly dismantled. The fatigue testing comes to an end.

Heres a question, did the fatigue frame pick up the wing cracking issue?

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-05-03 09:38:46 and read 13290 times.

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 229):
Heres a question, did the fatigue frame pick up the wing cracking issue?

As I understand it, the cracks were discovered during the inspection of the QF31 airframe after the engine failure.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-03 09:41:45 and read 13300 times.

Correct. A blessing in disguise  

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: BoeingVista
Posted 2013-05-03 09:52:30 and read 13245 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 230):
As I understand it, the cracks were discovered during the inspection of the QF31 airframe after the engine failure.

Yes, I know this but did the fatigue test frame also see the cracking issue.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-03 09:56:04 and read 13247 times.

As far as I know no cracks were discovered in the fatigue frame.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-03 11:09:57 and read 13159 times.

Airbus delivered EK's 32th A380 today: MSN113 / AF-EEF.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-06 09:50:22 and read 12530 times.

MSN095 engine run today.


(uploaded by XFW-Spotter)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/xfwspotter/8713713485/in/photostream

[Edited 2013-05-06 09:51:05]

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-07 03:11:14 and read 12042 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 235):
MSN095 engine run today.

And taxi test today:


(uploaded by XFW-Spotter)

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-07 03:15:21 and read 12003 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 234):
Airbus delivered EK's 32th A380 today: MSN113 / AF-EEF.

Oops I meant 32nd, not 32th  

Anyway, Emirates has taken delivery of their 33th A380 today: MSN116 / A6-EEG.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: EPA001
Posted 2013-05-07 03:41:49 and read 11951 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 236):
And taxi test today:

She is quite a beauty in BA's colours. Thanks for posting the picture.  .

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-11 05:39:52 and read 11144 times.

Emirates number 45 (MSN141) is on its way to TLS (convoy 14/2013).

[Edited 2013-05-11 05:40:22]

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: AustrianZRH
Posted 2013-05-11 06:08:04 and read 11062 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 237):
Oops I meant 32nd, not 32th

Anyway, Emirates has taken delivery of their 33th A380 today: MSN116 / A6-EEG.

I think you meant 33rd there    .

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: someone83
Posted 2013-05-13 06:37:22 and read 10184 times.

MSN119, EK #34, had it's CFF and MSN134, EK #39, was transfered TLS-XFW for outfitting today

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: queb
Posted 2013-05-13 11:08:02 and read 9978 times.

MSN 137

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7319/8734775231_ff69a95f56_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/8734775231/in/photostream/

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: miami
Posted 2013-05-13 14:01:16 and read 9721 times.

Quoting queb (Reply 242):

The QR livery on the A380 will be AMAZING. It will be on my top 3 favorite A380 liveries

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: na
Posted 2013-05-13 14:53:50 and read 9628 times.

Quoting miami (Reply 243):
The QR livery on the A380 will be AMAZING. It will be on my top 3 favorite A380 liveries

KE, BA, and TH liveries look good on the A380. And QR´s colours will certainly suit it too.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-05-14 03:10:58 and read 9224 times.

Quoting queb (Reply 242):

Under tow to have her power plants fitted  http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7287/8737162254_5cc963686c_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7288/8737161918_819966c7fc_b.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/openskyphotographer/

EK413

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Jumpjet
Posted 2013-05-14 04:38:28 and read 8954 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 236):
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 235):
MSN095 engine run today.

And taxi test today:


(uploaded by XFW-Spotter)

Q1. So can someone please tell me what they're doing with this one now in terms of outfitting and testing?

Q2. How far are we away from the actual delivery of this one?

Q3. How many BA A380s are up and "flying" now and where are they, Toulouse or Hamburg?

Sorry if I'm going over old ground here.....

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: na
Posted 2013-05-14 04:41:28 and read 8952 times.

Why are new Airbus planes always painted so patchily in different shades of green coating? Cant they decide on a single colour? It does look unprofessional and like a low quality product.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-14 04:54:54 and read 8907 times.

Quoting na (Reply 247):
Why are new Airbus planes always painted so patchily in different shades of green coating? Cant they decide on a single colour? It does look unprofessional and like a low quality product.

Different materials = different colors.

Quoting Jumpjet (Reply 246):
Q1. So can someone please tell me what they're doing with this one now in terms of outfitting and testing?

G-XLEA should have its CFF this week, if no issues are found the customer acceptance flight will follow afterwards.

Quoting Jumpjet (Reply 246):
Q2. How far are we away from the actual delivery of this one?

Delivery is slated for July.

Quoting Jumpjet (Reply 246):
Q3. How many BA A380s are up and "flying" now and where are they, Toulouse or Hamburg?

4 BA A380s are in different stages of assembly:

G-XLEA: rolled out at XFW, RTO last week, awaiting CFF
G-XLEB: rolled out at XFW, awaiting RTO
G-XLEC: undergoing cabin outfitting at XFW
G-XLED: undergoing body join at TLS

[Edited 2013-05-14 04:55:28]

[Edited 2013-05-14 04:55:53]

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Jumpjet
Posted 2013-05-14 05:01:43 and read 8861 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 248):
4 BA A380s are in different stages of assembly:

G-XLEA: rolled out at XFW, RTO last week, awaiting CFF
G-XLEB: rolled out at XFW, awaiting RTO
G-XLEC: undergoing cabin outfitting at XFW
G-XLED: undergoing body join at TLS

Thanks KarelXWB.

Sorry, but what's RTO? CFF?

Cheers!

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: travelavnut
Posted 2013-05-14 05:02:15 and read 8866 times.

Quoting na (Reply 247):
It does look unprofessional and like a low quality product.

Good thing than that nobody cares what it looks like during production.....

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-14 05:11:16 and read 8830 times.

Quoting Jumpjet (Reply 249):
Sorry, but what's RTO? CFF?

RTO is the Rejected Take Off test. This high-speed taxi test is done to be sure the brakes work as expected.

CFF stands for Cabin First Flight, this is a check flight to test the whole cabin. Testing the cabin lights, the entertainment systems etc.

CAF is the Customer Acceptance Flight.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: ba319-131
Posted 2013-05-14 05:12:01 and read 8892 times.

Quoting Jumpjet (Reply 249):
Sorry, but what's RTO? CFF?

- RTO = Rejected Take Off CFF = Cabin First Flight

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Jumpjet
Posted 2013-05-14 06:27:11 and read 8707 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 251):
RTO is the Rejected Take Off test. This high-speed taxi test is done to be sure the brakes work as expected.

CFF stands for Cabin First Flight, this is a check flight to test the whole cabin. Testing the cabin lights, the entertainment systems etc.

CAF is the Customer Acceptance Flight.
Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 252):

- RTO = Rejected Take Off CFF = Cabin First Flight

Thanks, now I've learnt something.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-05-14 06:40:11 and read 8676 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 251):
RTO is the Rejected Take Off test. This high-speed taxi test is done to be sure the brakes work as expected.

Also does a really good job of finding any loose parts. Pretty violent even though it's done at a fairly low speed (about 90 kts on Boeing airplanes) and light weight -- nothing like the real thing on a fully loaded airplane at V1.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: a380900
Posted 2013-05-14 06:47:55 and read 8643 times.

Quoting swallow (Reply 209):
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 208):MSN137 QR #1 has been confirmed as the new frame being carried on Convoy 2013/12And the first convoy with the modified wings. Great to see.

So "modified wings" means it is modified for the cracks issue or for the twist adjustment?

Was te 1.5° of twist added because of the work necessary for the cracks correction? Was the twist issue decided independantly before the cracks were detected? How did these modifications came about?

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-14 06:51:28 and read 8653 times.



Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 254):
Also does a really good job of finding any loose parts. Pretty violent even though it's done at a fairly low speed (about 90 kts on Boeing airplanes) and light weight -- nothing like the real thing on a fully loaded airplane at V1.

Yes I believe it's something around 90 kts indeed. Here is a nice video of G-XLEA's RTO at XFW:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99J-qbuc3dA

And here is a "real" RTO, hitting the brakes at V1 with MTOW (maximum takeoff weight):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g6UswiRCF0

[Edited 2013-05-14 06:52:31]

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: EPA001
Posted 2013-05-14 08:13:45 and read 8487 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 245):
Under tow to have her power plants fitted

The QR A380's will be another stunning looking A380. Can't wait to see her fully painted.  .

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: Pugman211
Posted 2013-05-14 08:30:37 and read 8422 times.

Wow!! That 748 RTO was pretty awesome!!

On the A380 RTO, do they use reverse thrust aswell as spoilers and brakes?? Also, what was the reason for the rudder movements?

Thanks

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: someone83
Posted 2013-05-14 08:54:37 and read 8362 times.

Quoting a380900 (Reply 255):
So "modified wings" means it is modified for the cracks issue or for the twist adjustment?

Was te 1.5° of twist added because of the work necessary for the cracks correction? Was the twist issue decided independantly before the cracks were detected? How did these modifications came about?

First without Crack issues. The first 1,5* wing twist is BA's first

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: r2rho
Posted 2013-05-15 05:01:47 and read 7873 times.

Quoting a380900 (Reply 255):
Was te 1.5° of twist added because of the work necessary for the cracks correction? Was the twist issue decided independantly before the cracks were detected?

No, the wing twist was a purely aerodynamic consideration. The decision to do that came before the wing crack issues popped up, so is independent. As for the wing crack issues, I don't think BA has the final wing yet as it was likely assembled before the definite fix was approved. But perhaps someone else can confirm/correct me on that.

Topic: RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-15 05:36:31 and read 7861 times.

Quoting r2rho (Reply 260):
I don't think BA has the final wing yet as it was likely assembled before the definite fix was approved.

The final fix was applied on MSN095 during cabin outfitting in XFW. BA also stated they will not accept any A380 without the final wing fix.


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