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Topic: Royal Brunei "special" Pushback In LHR?
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-04-05 17:11:13 and read 16392 times.

Hi All,

Was doing a search of the photo data base and stumbled across an interesting photo... What grabbed my attention was the fact the tug is underneath the B777 towing the aircraft...?
Is this a common practice in LHR while towing aircraft...?


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Look forward to everyone's comments... It's a first for me to witness this form of towing...

EK413

Topic: RE: Royal Brunei "special" Pushback In LHR?
Username: jagflyer
Posted 2013-04-05 18:26:01 and read 16115 times.

I don't believe it is possible to attach a towbar to the landing gear from the back. My guesses are either:

A) a tow bar is sitting on the ramp and the tug is not attached to it.
B) the tug and towbar are connected to each other but not to the aircraft. The tug is repositioning to hook up to the 777 or perhaps going somewhere else.

[Edited 2013-04-05 18:27:57]

Topic: RE: Royal Brunei "special" Pushback In LHR?
Username: peterinlisbon
Posted 2013-04-05 18:39:53 and read 16058 times.

I would guess that it is in this position because it is actually pushing the aircraft forward rather than backwards. I think that the so-called "tugs" don't actually tug, but push and so it couldn't pull the aircraft along behind it. Perhaps it needs to move from the maintenance area to the gate and doing it this way saves wasting a lot of fuel by starting the engines and taxiing.

Topic: RE: Royal Brunei "special" Pushback In LHR?
Username: B757forever
Posted 2013-04-05 18:49:22 and read 16003 times.

Quoting EK413 (Thread starter):
Is this a common practice in LHR while towing aircraft...?

It is common practice when moving aircraft in close quarters, maintenance hangars etc. The aircraft must be equipped with a tow fitting on the aft side of the nose gear.

[Edited 2013-04-05 18:51:54]

Topic: RE: Royal Brunei "special" Pushback In LHR?
Username: SpaceshipDC10
Posted 2013-04-05 18:56:18 and read 15954 times.

Quoting jagflyer (Reply 1):
I don't believe it is possible to attach a towbar to the landing gear from the back.

I have seen this several times, at least with 747.


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Topic: RE: Royal Brunei "special" Pushback In LHR?
Username: jetmarc
Posted 2013-04-05 22:28:26 and read 15495 times.

Quoting peterinlisbon (Reply 2):

Tugs do tug... witnessed many times when repositioning an aircraft and the tug pulls a plane into the gate. So tugs don't always just push a plane back.

Topic: RE: Royal Brunei "special" Pushback In LHR?
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2013-04-05 22:30:57 and read 15486 times.

Not unusual. Done here at LAX for tight fitting gates.

Topic: RE: Royal Brunei "special" Pushback In LHR?
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-04-05 22:57:00 and read 15206 times.

This was a first for me so its interesting to hear its commonly used at ports with tight fitting gates...

EK413

Topic: RE: Royal Brunei "special" Pushback In LHR?
Username: planesavvy
Posted 2013-04-06 02:03:01 and read 13229 times.

Most large aircraft have tow bar connections on both sides of the nose gear for this purpose. Used in this case because the aircraft is a tight fit in the hanger and tug would have no space in front of the aircraft once it was inside and would need to get out. Some hangers have tug size doors to let the tug through the nose end when the aircraft is in. Manoeuvring aircraft in and out of hangars is precision and is a responsible skill.

Topic: RE: Royal Brunei "special" Pushback In LHR?
Username: hotplane
Posted 2013-04-06 03:43:11 and read 12059 times.

BA often do it in tight spaces.

Topic: RE: Royal Brunei "special" Pushback In LHR?
Username: Lofty
Posted 2013-04-06 04:05:33 and read 11772 times.

BA Engineering tugs and crew are allowed to tow underneath as said above to allow access into tight spaces and hangers.

Topic: RE: Royal Brunei "special" Pushback In LHR?
Username: m1m2
Posted 2013-04-06 08:03:26 and read 8621 times.

There is a time-lapsed video online of an AA 777 having an engine change. It shows the tug first towing the aircraft into the hangar and then being positioned as shown in this picture to push it further into the hangar. Sorry, I don't have a link to the video. It's quite interesting to watch though.

Topic: RE: Royal Brunei "special" Pushback In LHR?
Username: ChiGB1973
Posted 2013-04-06 08:42:15 and read 7999 times.

Quoting m1m2 (Reply 11):
There is a time-lapsed video online of an AA 777 having an engine change. It shows the tug first towing the aircraft into the hangar and then being positioned as shown in this picture to push it further into the hangar. Sorry, I don't have a link to the video. It's quite interesting to watch though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOmCTehtFpI

It's at about 3:35.

M

Topic: RE: Royal Brunei "special" Pushback In LHR?
Username: flyingturtle
Posted 2013-04-06 08:52:38 and read 7842 times.

Quoting m1m2 (Reply 11):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUR-lutN_vk ?


DAvid

Topic: RE: Royal Brunei "special" Pushback In LHR?
Username: tonyban
Posted 2013-04-06 11:47:41 and read 5799 times.

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 4):
I have seen this several times, at least with 747.

During my college years, I worked part-time at LHR Terminal 3 doing aircraft cleaning. It was fairly common to see the Air India 747s towed in the manner. I witnessed many push backs like this.
Thanks

Topic: RE: Royal Brunei "special" Pushback In LHR?
Username: reifel
Posted 2013-04-07 09:40:15 and read 2626 times.

On a side note, I realized that in CDG, I realized that narrow body planes are pushed back with a remotely controlled "tractor" which is attached to one wheel of the main landing gear:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67G1A-Wsov0

Why is that, and also: are there other airports doing that? Never saw this before.
Interestingly, once the plane is pushed back, and the "tractor" detached, the actual human sits on the device and drives it back, instead of remotely controlling it.

Topic: RE: Royal Brunei "special" Pushback In LHR?
Username: m1m2
Posted 2013-04-07 10:03:50 and read 2542 times.

Thanks for the link guys.


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