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Topic: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.
Username: ogre727
Posted 2013-04-04 19:58:24 and read 24045 times.

For all 727 lovers, this airport is SVMD, at about 5000 feet in the andes, with a runway of only... About 5000 ft. I was born in this city and grew up taking off and landing on 727s such as the one on the video and on DC9s as well. You would think they had payload restrictions... But i remember full flights.... Enjoy:

http://youtu.be/Z8JSm8xxxwE

Topic: RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.
Username: cschleic
Posted 2013-04-04 20:09:53 and read 23997 times.

Thanks for the link. Watching the three-holers brings back memories.

Topic: RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.
Username: WESTERN737800
Posted 2013-04-04 21:05:40 and read 23736 times.

That's a cool video! The 727s were good ole birds!!!

Topic: RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.
Username: UTAH744
Posted 2013-04-04 21:18:16 and read 23670 times.

Great video. I only flew the B727 for 2 years and while I wasn't wowed by the old fashioned systems the runway performance was outstanding. Solid plane.

Topic: RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.
Username: AR385
Posted 2013-04-04 21:46:46 and read 23529 times.

This one never ceases to amaze me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib2TuWs-mOQ

I took off several times and landed on LAP to and from VVI. It was always an epic experience and passing right to Mt. illimani was humbling.

Topic: RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.
Username: denverdanny
Posted 2013-04-04 23:01:15 and read 23284 times.

Was this pilot training? Would it be fair to say the 727 was made for these kinds of short runway situations? I'm also kind of wondering if you have to be careful of hot brakes if you do repeated takeoffs and landings?

Topic: RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.
Username: glideslope
Posted 2013-04-05 05:53:28 and read 20948 times.

Nice Video. Thanks for sharing. Such a great aircraft.

Topic: RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.
Username: flyby519
Posted 2013-04-05 06:06:53 and read 20609 times.

I've heard that PanAm was involved with Boeing in the development of the 727 so they could have an aircraft capable of short field ops through the Caribbean. Boeing definitely made that happen!

Topic: RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.
Username: tsnamm
Posted 2013-04-05 06:20:55 and read 20276 times.

The 727 was a capable and solid aircraft...there were videos on here showing a 727-200 converted freighter doing unprepared field ops in Africa.,Really impressive, seeing a heavily loaded freighter full of oil drilling parts landing on a dirt strip...if anyone knows the link please post as it is great too!

Topic: RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.
Username: Pacific
Posted 2013-04-05 06:50:26 and read 19575 times.

The SVMD footage is very impressive. The highlight is definitely the go-around which they left it very late. The aircraft looked like it had flared too much, only to see it rocket away, seemingly scraping the tops of the mountains.

As for other amazing 727 feats, one can never forget the World 727 in Vietnam...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzcWZ7j1iTg

Topic: RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.
Username: American 767
Posted 2013-04-05 06:54:52 and read 19461 times.

Quoting glideslope (Reply 6):
Such a great aircraft.

I agree. It's a big classic in the history of civil aviation.

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 7):
've heard that PanAm was involved with Boeing in the development of the 727

So were Eastern and United. What made the 727 capable of short runway operations was its flap design: it was designed with a triple slotted flap ( and so was the 747, but not the SP) so that the lift and drag would be increased upon approach and landing, thus making the aircraft land smoothly and with a shorter distance. When the 727-100 entered service in 1964 with the following major US airlines, American, Eastern, Northwest, TWA and United, the ban to fly jets out of LGA in New York was lifted. The 727 was certified by the FAA to land on short runways.

Ben Soriano

Topic: RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.
Username: carbon787
Posted 2013-04-05 07:06:46 and read 19173 times.

I flew the 727 a lot in the 70's in Australia, TAA and ANSETT, had some amazing takeoffs, it was really a fun plane to fly in and I loved walking down the rear stairway, so unique!

Topic: RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.
Username: tb727
Posted 2013-04-05 07:13:38 and read 19023 times.

Quoting tsnamm (Reply 8):
The 727 was a capable and solid aircraft...there were videos on here showing a 727-200 converted freighter doing unprepared field ops in Africa.,Really impressive, seeing a heavily loaded freighter full of oil drilling parts landing on a dirt strip...if anyone knows the link please post as it is great too!


Here you go!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ghFu...=FLtYBlzW_wiWckEW1am__4_w&index=28

Topic: RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.
Username: Tbone354
Posted 2013-04-05 07:16:47 and read 18920 times.

Ok. So it took off and landed a few times and did go around, (low approach). Or am I missing something here?

Topic: RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.
Username: 727LOVER
Posted 2013-04-05 07:47:11 and read 18131 times.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 10):

Didnt Braniff, National, & Pan Am get the 727 in 1964 as well?

Topic: RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.
Username: usair330
Posted 2013-04-05 07:57:30 and read 17906 times.

The 727    Don't forget this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV4tgjSPgks

Topic: RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.
Username: j8
Posted 2013-04-05 09:38:50 and read 15717 times.

A couple more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tevFXGKtoQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AubFbEKMN40

Topic: RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.
Username: TheRedBaron
Posted 2013-04-05 11:37:38 and read 13400 times.

Can someone clarify.... is it weird that they land and use heavy braking, and then proceed to turn around and take off and they put up the landing gear, isnt it supposed to wait till brakes cool down?....I remember a French accident related to very high temps on the gear...but I dont know the 727 procedure for such an event...

nice video...

TRB

Topic: RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.
Username: readytotaxi
Posted 2013-04-05 12:08:11 and read 12777 times.

What a great Video, how to have fun at the office each day.  

Topic: RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.
Username: harmonium
Posted 2013-04-05 12:53:53 and read 11945 times.

Can anyone comment on flap configuration on first takeoff? I'm not very familiar with the 727, but that looks like a lot of flap extension for a takeoff to me?  

Topic: RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.
Username: leftyboarder
Posted 2013-04-05 13:34:20 and read 11136 times.

Great vid.. I loved the 727 while it lasted - it was the main staple for us TK fliers back in the 80s - even though it almost invariably made me lightheaded and nauseated during take off and ascent.

Topic: RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.
Username: cubastar
Posted 2013-04-05 13:43:33 and read 10991 times.

Quoting harmonium (Reply 19):
Can anyone comment on flap configuration on first takeoff? I'm not very familiar with the 727, but that looks like a lot of flap extension for a takeoff to me?

They could have been using a 25 degree flap takeoff vs the standard 15 degrees due to the shorter field length and elevation. Usually, with that T/O setting, normal rather than reduced power is required. With light weights (training and other special conditions--like just for fun-- your V1/V2 speeds are much lower. I've seen V1/V2 as low as 107/109 kts on a short ferry flight.

Topic: RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.
Username: tb727
Posted 2013-04-05 16:11:57 and read 8618 times.

Quoting cubastar (Reply 21):
They could have been using a 25 degree flap takeoff vs the standard 15 degrees due to the shorter field length and elevation.

Yes looks like 25 to me. Interesting fact I found out last week is that with the winglet mod you can do Flaps 30 takeoffs, at least that's what I have been told, we are about to operate one but I am waiting for the differences.

Topic: RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.
Username: American 767
Posted 2013-04-05 17:04:17 and read 7866 times.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 14):
Didnt Braniff, National, & Pan Am get the 727 in 1964 as well?

Maybe they did, if not 1964, 1965. But I am sure about the ones I mention they did get 727 in 1964. It is true, however, that they all flew the 100 Series prior to flying the 200 Series.

Topic: RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.
Username: maxpower1954
Posted 2013-04-05 19:27:30 and read 6056 times.

According to this site, Aeromoe which I find pretty accurate, Braniff got their first 727 in May 1966, National in October 1964 and Pan Am in December 1965.

http://www.aeromoe.com/fleets/airlines.html#index

[Edited 2013-04-05 19:28:01]

Topic: RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.
Username: cedarjet
Posted 2013-04-05 21:31:15 and read 5555 times.

This is a great departure by a Yemeni head of state aircraft taking the leadership back to Yemen from Eritrea in a hurry to avert a coup of some kind - very sporty departure!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib2TuWs-mOQ

Topic: RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.
Username: cubastar
Posted 2013-04-06 13:54:22 and read 4612 times.

Quoting cubastar (Reply 21):
I've seen V1/V2 as low as 107/109 kts on a short ferry flight.

Actually, after reading my post, I must correct my last statement. I intended to say a V1/ VR speed as low as 107/109 knots.

Topic: RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.
Username: ogre727
Posted 2013-04-06 14:00:38 and read 4647 times.

Quoting Tbone354 (Reply 13):

I dont know if you expected rainbows coming out of the engines or something like that   but i think the video is nice given the short runway and airport location, in middle of the andes and at that height.

Thank you all for your comments. And thanks for the other videos as well.

Topic: RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.
Username: OA260
Posted 2013-04-06 14:21:55 and read 4560 times.

A very nice aircraft. Was lucky to fly on a few of them with AA and OA. Once was spotting at LHR and a TWA B727 from FRA was coming into land then did a last minute abort and the roar and power was unreal.

Topic: RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-04-06 15:01:32 and read 4435 times.

Quoting carbon787 (Reply 11):
and I loved walking down the rear stairway, so unique!

The 727's ventral stairs weren't that unique. A few other types that had them:

DC-9 (many, not all; it was an option)


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BAC 1-11


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MD-80 and MD-90


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Caravelle


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Yak-40


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Convair 240 (optional, not many had the rear stairs)


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Martin 202 and 404


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Topic: RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.
Username: tsnamm
Posted 2013-04-08 04:46:34 and read 3238 times.

Quoting tb727 (Reply 12):
Here you go!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ghFu...ex=28



Thank You!! That's the one! That's just outrageous landing and taking off on the dirt strip...especially with a load! Crazy!

Topic: RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.
Username: airbazar
Posted 2013-04-08 06:31:05 and read 3068 times.

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 17):
Can someone clarify.... is it weird that they land and use heavy braking, and then proceed to turn around and take off and they put up the landing gear, isnt it supposed to wait till brakes cool down?....I remember a French accident related to very high temps on the gear...but I dont know the 727 procedure for such an event...

My guess is that given the altitude and high terrain, they need all the aerodynamics that they can get in order to pick up speed and altitude quickly.


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