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Topic: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: varigb707
Posted 2013-04-05 14:34:04 and read 10343 times.

Well, there's something new, for a change. A TSA agent was "being attacked by a passenger" and save by a Californian small town cop.

I could be wrong but in the video, it does not look llike the other passenger is actually in an attack mode. I could be wrong though. Anyway, here's the video...
http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs...71608149--abc-news-topstories.html

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: wingman
Posted 2013-04-05 14:51:49 and read 10270 times.

I'm not sure what to make of it exactly. Extra footage prior would be useful. But based on what you see there, and making a few assumptions, I'd wager that off duty cop is about to spend some time in court. First, these two women look to be north of 50 and engaged in what I would describe as a kitten tussle. Second, this guy intervenes in something clearly outside his jurisdiction and applies fairly brutal force in body slamming the attacker to the ground. I think if the TSA agent had been in mortal danger, as implied by the "heroic savior" description, wouldn't she have been somewhat more shocked or winded?

I don't know man, I think attorneys must be lining up and asking this vicious assailant if she's ready to play wheel of fortune. My verdict, based on what we see here, this cop looks like he's high as a kite on steroids.

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: moo
Posted 2013-04-05 15:06:41 and read 10196 times.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with what the cop did there, and I certainly don't see a "kitten tussle" as wingman puts it - the TSA agent was being assaulted, and was not in control of the situation (at the point the cop intervenes, she's in a head lock). That's a serious situation, any way you look at it, and it needed to be brought to an end. The passenger has already shown that she is willing to engage in violence, so she needs to be brought under control as quick as possible - which is precisely what that cop did.

If that cop is reprimanded, jailed or sued, there's something wrong with the world.

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: bennett123
Posted 2013-04-05 15:47:48 and read 10047 times.

Unless there is more to it an is shown in the clip, then I do not see what the Cop did wrong.

I did notice that there was apparently little TSA back up.

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: Braniff747SP
Posted 2013-04-05 16:04:07 and read 9966 times.

Looks like the cop stopped an assault on a federal employee. Don't see what he did wrong here...

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: mtnwest1979
Posted 2013-04-05 16:08:19 and read 9949 times.

Quoting moo (Reply 2):
I did notice that there was apparently little TSA back up.

Well they were probably all on their radios yakking about it lol.
IMO, he should have kept out of it as it was of of his concern. I think he could have caused more confusion as the TSA had no idea ( until he stated or showed he was a cop) that he was a law enforcement person.

Seeing that the chances of immediate severe physical damage to TSA agent(s) or the other person was fairly low, I believe he acted a little over-aggressive.

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: atxpatriot811
Posted 2013-04-05 19:44:24 and read 9585 times.

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 5):
Seeing that the chances of immediate severe physical damage to TSA agent(s) or the other person was fairly low, I believe he acted a little over-aggressive.

It doesn't matter if there was immediate severe physical damage to the TSA agent. The woman was attacking the TSA agent in an apparent attempt to do harm. No one should have to come to work and fear being assaulted. The cop was right to slam the woman down. Once you start assaulting people, you waive all claims against bystander trying to stop you.

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: oflanigan
Posted 2013-04-05 21:20:31 and read 9383 times.

I think its time to have a well trained full time TSA force, given proper training and LEO status so passengers don't have to come to their aid. There are plenty of able bodied men and women who want to serve and protect their country and work in Law Enforcement and although TSO duties may be annoying to some and slow and boring to employees, maybe its time TSA employees are trained law enforcement officers who can stand up to all threats. Just a thought.

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: winstonlegthigh
Posted 2013-04-05 21:52:31 and read 9325 times.

Wow. That looks like a pretty violent takedown. Good on him for intervening, but I get this gut feeling that perhaps a little less would have sufficed. Didn't see it mentioned anywhere whether or not he announced himself before he body slammed her.

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: ha763
Posted 2013-04-05 22:58:26 and read 9028 times.

The woman who assaulted the TSA agent was not a passenger. She was a homeless person who was told to stop smoking in a no smoking area and then punched the agent. This is also not the first time she has caused trouble at HNL. She was also previously caught stealing food from people's plates at the bar in the check-in lobby.

The area where the incident occurred is where passengers can exit back to the check-in lobby. The homeless woman was dragging the TSA agent into the secured area.

The links below are from our local news. The first link is from the local ABC affiliate and shows a few extra seconds prior to the incident. The second link is from another station and mentions that this homeless woman has been causing trouble at the airport.

http://goo.gl/FeSQJ

http://goo.gl/vVpZ4

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: skywaymanaz
Posted 2013-04-06 01:23:39 and read 8341 times.

Quoting oflanigan (Reply 7):
I think its time to have a well trained full time TSA force, given proper training and LEO

We do not need passengers arrested by TSA agents for having a bottle of shampoo in their bag. There are federal requirements about having police officers on duty at the airport depending on their level of traffic. When I lived in Flagstaff (before 9/11) whenever America West used to sub a 737 instead of Dash 8 Flagstaff PD had to be on hand for it. I'm not sure where the cutoff was then or now but one Dash 8 or smaller didn't require their presence then. At any rate this was a violent incident that required LEO intervention but that doesn't mean we need hundreds more LEO's standing around like TSA. Gate agents and Flight Attendants have been attacked too but I don't think they need to be made into LEO's either.

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: rwy04lga
Posted 2013-04-06 03:36:28 and read 7719 times.

Quoting oflanigan (Reply 7):
I think its time to have a well trained full time TSA force, given proper training and LEO status so passengers don't have to come to their aid.

Then who'll come to our aid when some TSA 'LEO' oversteps HIS boundary?
They ALREADY think they're (above) the law, when in reality, they're just bag screeners/pilferers. On another note...weren't they supposed to have those 'shields' removed from their uniforms? What happened with that plan?

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: fraspotter
Posted 2013-04-06 08:27:32 and read 5801 times.

The cop did nothing wrong in my opinion. All the people here who are claiming that he "should have stayed out of it" and "it is not of his concern" are what's wrong with society today. People are claiming he "used too much force" when he grabbed her and threw her to the ground? Please... Ok if he pulled out a gun and shot her or kicked her while she was down or beat her with a pipe than I may agree with you but the way he got her in a head lock and threw her to the ground is a textbook police move to aprehend suspects who are resisting and fighting. The homeless woman was out of line and the TSA agent was clearly not getting the upperhand in dealing with the situation he had to step in. He had the duty as a sworn law enforcement officer (regardless of whether he's off duty or not or in his jurisdiction or not) to intervene if he is able to. I find it troubling that it was only AFTER this man lept into action that the agent's TSA colleagues decided to jump into action.

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: skywaymanaz
Posted 2013-04-06 08:49:09 and read 5622 times.

Quoting fraspotter (Reply 15):
I find it troubling that it was only AFTER this man lept into action that the agent's TSA colleagues decided to jump into action.

Unfortunately part of that is the way security guards are trained. TSA might call them officers but they're operating in the same legal capacity as a security guard. That's part of why they are legally able to conduct a search that an LEO could not. Security guards are trained to NOT intervene and to contact an LEO for assistance. That is partly a result of the lawsuit happy culture we live in. Just look at some of the negative comments on here about how the LEO responded to the situation. LEO has legal protections to be able to do what we saw in the video. Security has no power of arrest beyond the power an ordinary citizen has of citizen arrest. If an employee is attacked by someone that is different then if another intervenes instead of stepping back and calling the police. Private companies can and do terminate security guards who intervene in these situations instead of step back. That can leave them on their own for their medical bills or liable if the victim sues. I would be very surprised if TSA screeners have any legal protection in a similar situation. Once the LEO got involved legally they are assisting the officer. Messed up for sure but that's how the legal system works, at least in this country.

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: flymia
Posted 2013-04-06 08:51:27 and read 5606 times.

The cop did the right thing. It's pathetic no one else came to help earlier. This was clearly a women fighting the TSA employee and trying to get into the secured area. Anyone who thinks the cop was brutal or overreacted I wouldn't want you to be an officer or around when things go bad. This is exactly what people are suppose to do. Especially sworn law enforcement officer. Help other people! Today it's more likely the people will get out their phones and start recording a video.

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: fraspotter
Posted 2013-04-06 08:55:29 and read 5573 times.

Quoting skywaymanaz (Reply 16):

That reminds me of the story not too long ago of the teenage beach lifeguard who was fired for running into the water to save a drowning swimmer instead of "calling 911"...    What is this world coming to?

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: moo
Posted 2013-04-06 09:20:46 and read 5375 times.

Quoting fraspotter (Reply 18):

There's always more to a story - the person he saved was not in his area (and im pretty sure the swimmer was in the unguarded section of the beach, but I could be wrong about that) meaning he left a stretch of beach unattended with hundreds of swimmers in the water.

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: ripcordd
Posted 2013-04-06 09:26:48 and read 5336 times.

He did not do anything wrong he say a woman fighting with a TSA by a security check point and by the look of the video she look as if she was trying to gain access...But what gets me is the male TSA just sitting there watching his co-worker get her ass kicked and doing nothing.....

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: aztrainer
Posted 2013-04-06 09:30:55 and read 5306 times.

Quoting fraspotter (Reply 18):
That reminds me of the story not too long ago of the teenage beach lifeguard who was fired for running into the water to save a drowning swimmer instead of "calling 911"... What is this world coming to?

He was until the rest of the life guards quit. It was a privet company that was contracted and they lost the contract after the incident.

I think it is sad that people think that the take-down was too "violent". When you are trying to get control of the situation it has to be done as quick as possible. The aggressor was also trying to hip throw the TSA agent. If you also look at the video you can see a male TSA agent attempting to climb over a wall. He did not get over the wall until the LEO has already taken down the aggressor.

Quoting flymia (Reply 17):
Today it's more likely the people will get out their phones and start recording a video.

That is so true!

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: fraspotter
Posted 2013-04-06 09:40:53 and read 5237 times.

Quoting moo (Reply 19):
There's always more to a story - the person he saved was not in his area (and im pretty sure the swimmer was in the unguarded section of the beach, but I could be wrong about that) meaning he left a stretch of beach unattended with hundreds of swimmers in the water.

So if the person drowns then what? "Oh I would have helped him but he was in an unguarded area so I was under no obligation to help him"... That type of thinking gets people killed.

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: fraspotter
Posted 2013-04-06 09:46:32 and read 5197 times.

Quoting flymia (Reply 17):
Today it's more likely the people will get out their phones and start recording a video.

Don't know if you're a fan of "Seinfeld" but that got me thinking about the series finale where the entire group is arrested for failing to intervene in helping a guy who was getting car jacked. Instead they pulled out a video camera and filmed the entire thing. It was pretty funny on the show but the sad part is that it happens all the time in real life...

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: moo
Posted 2013-04-06 10:30:02 and read 4912 times.

Quoting fraspotter (Reply 22):

What's happened to the concept of "personal responsibility" in this world?

Get into trouble in an unguarded area, that's your responsibili for beng there.

Leave an area you are guarding, an area hundreds of people chose to swim in precisely because you are guarding it, to go off reservation to help someone in an unguarded area... What happens if someone had gotten into difficulty during the time the supposedly guarded area was unsafe?

Sometimes the decisions you have to make do indeed suck, but sometimes they are still decisions that have to be made.

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: fridgmus
Posted 2013-04-06 11:56:42 and read 4388 times.

I don't care what anybody says, the cop did the right thing and I hope he is decorated for it!

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 3):
I did notice that there was apparently little TSA back up.

That was the first thing I noticed Bennett!

Quoting oflanigan (Reply 7):
I think its time to have a well trained full time TSA force, given proper training and LEO status so passengers don't have to come to their aid. There are plenty of able bodied men and women who want to serve and protect their country and work in Law Enforcement and although TSO duties may be annoying to some and slow and boring to employees, maybe its time TSA employees are trained law enforcement officers who can stand up to all threats. Just a thought.

Agree 100% Oflanigan!!! The current TSA force, while not totally incompetent, still needs a great of professionalism injected! Those slobs currently employed need to be either DRASTICALLY re-trained or removed and a properly trained force with LEO status, as Oflanigan stated, installed. Every time there's a problem and a cop needed, everything stops until one shows up!

Just my   

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Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: moo
Posted 2013-04-06 13:40:21 and read 3757 times.

Quoting fraspotter (Reply 27):

I never said that, stop trying to turn this into a straw man argument.

No, they don't deserve to drown, and no they don't deserve to die just to be taught a lesson, but that's not the choice here.

As the life guard, do you leave the crowded beach and waters you have explicitly said you are guarding, and run off reservation leaving those people who specifically chose your section of beach to bathe in without the protection that you have promised them?

How should you deal with that situation?

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: fraspotter
Posted 2013-04-06 14:36:45 and read 3428 times.

Quoting moo (Reply 29):
As the life guard, do you leave the crowded beach and waters you have explicitly said you are guarding, and run off reservation leaving those people who specifically chose your section of beach to bathe in without the protection that you have promised them?

How should you deal with that situation?

Well if there is only 1 lifeguard for a crowded beach, then there is already something wrong. If the lifeguard ran into the water in his own section to save someone, technically the beach is left unguarded in case someone else needs help at the same time. Someone in an off limits area needed help and there was no one else there to provide it. Granted he left his area of the beach but leaving his post in the event of an emergency is different then running off to get a hotdog. Whether he saved a life in his area or not, he saved a life.

Lets agree to disgree shall we? At least we agree on the topic of the off duty police officer.  
Quoting moo (Reply 2):

        

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Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: ha763
Posted 2013-04-06 18:38:17 and read 3241 times.

Quoting ripcordd (Reply 17):
But what gets me is the male TSA just sitting there watching his co-worker get her ass kicked and doing nothing.....
Quoting aztrainer (Reply 18):
If you also look at the video you can see a male TSA agent attempting to climb over a wall. He did not get over the wall until the LEO has already taken down the aggressor.

As aztrainer said, the male TSA agent was climbing over the railing. You also have to remember that the male TSA agent has his own area of responsibility that he cannot just leave without saying anything. You can see that he saw what was going on, turned around to likely tell someone, and then turned back to climb over. By the time he turned back to climb over the railing, the police officer had vaulted over the other railing and other TSA agents and security arrived from the other end of that hallway.

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: oflanigan
Posted 2013-04-06 20:41:21 and read 3123 times.

Again my point is giving LEO status to well trained TSO's will weed out the retired school teachers, and other part time only seeking TSA employees that maybe shouldn't be in government service anyway. This could lead to a leaner better equipped force that would uphold the mission of our government to defend the homeland. I have yet to see an individual arrested at the checkpoint for having 4 ounces of liquid, and giving a better equipped better trained TSA force LEO capabilities wouldn't change the education of the flying, riding, public about how travel has changed post 9/11. Local police are required to be at the checkpoint so the TSA can screen bags and provide support. Does every TSO at a checkpoint need to be armed? Of course not. We as a nation should strive to see TSA transform into a well trained, appropriately sized force of highly trained, well equipped security professionals. Whats wrong with that idea? Can they just be in charge of observing and supervising contract employees screen bags? Sure if the level of safety isn't compromised. I just don't see the harm of getting TSA into a lean well equipped and trained force, and not just a part time retirement option.

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: cf6ppe
Posted 2013-04-06 21:20:00 and read 3098 times.

The story might have been more interesting/unusual if it had been an off-duty TSA screener saving an on-duty LEO.

Yes, I've read the above posts in this thread, and I don't think that what has happened in that unusual. Unfortunately, the situation in the world just outside where all of us pretty nice folks live, is a pretty knarly environment. The LEO establishment are set up to handle those in that knarly environment and do so at maximum first and ask questions later. A former lady friend of my wifes was a Captain in a large Metro Police department. We went out to eat often and he told me about that world; not a nice place.

Anyway...

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: PassedV1
Posted 2013-04-06 23:22:13 and read 3025 times.

Quoting winstonlegthigh (Reply 8):
Didn't see it mentioned anywhere whether or not he announced himself before he body slammed her.

She was attacking a uniformed security person, there would be no announcd requirement. Besides, he's out of his jurisdiction, and was acting as a private citizen. Arresting a criminal is not a special police power. A private citizen can use reasonable force to detain the perpetrator of a crime they witnessed.

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: Maverick623
Posted 2013-04-07 11:26:57 and read 2719 times.

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 5):
Seeing that the chances of immediate severe physical damage to TSA agent(s) or the other person was fairly low, I believe he acted a little over-aggressive.

That was a textbook takedown. They don't look very nice, but I can guarantee you the worst she got was a small bruise.

Or would you have preferred he stopped to ask her politely to stop assaulting the TSO?  
Quoting oflanigan (Reply 7):
maybe its time TSA employees are trained law enforcement officers who can stand up to all threats.

LOL. What threats?

Quoting winstonlegthigh (Reply 8):
but I get this gut feeling that perhaps a little less would have sufficed.

I get this gut feeling you've never had to stop an assault before.

Quoting flymia (Reply 14):
It's pathetic no one else came to help earlier.

She was under attack for less than 10 seconds before the cop jumped into action. The only bystanders visible in the video were a mother and child, and two older people.

Quoting flymia (Reply 14):
This was clearly a women fighting the TSA employee and trying to get into the secured area.

Clearly, you are wrong. It was a drunken bum that just wanted a fight. And so what if she got into the "secured" area?

Quoting oflanigan (Reply 26):
the mission of our government to defend the homeland.

Didn't we used to make fun of such places as Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union for using euphemisms like that?

Quoting oflanigan (Reply 26):
We as a nation should strive to see TSA transform into a well trained, appropriately sized force of highly trained, well equipped security professionals.

I agree, but making them full-fledged cops with arrest powers is not the way to do that. Let's start with the little things, like acknowledging that my 3oz tube of toothpaste is no more dangerous than my 8oz tube.

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: flymia
Posted 2013-04-07 12:34:23 and read 2644 times.

Quoting oflanigan (Reply 26):
Again my point is giving LEO status to well trained TSO's will weed out the retired school teachers, and other part time only seeking TSA employees that maybe shouldn't be in government service anyway. This could lead to a leaner better equipped force that would uphold the mission of our government to defend the homeland. I have yet to see an individual arrested at the checkpoint for having 4 ounces of liquid, and giving a better equipped better trained TSA force LEO capabilities wouldn't change the education of the flying, riding, public about how travel has changed post 9/11. Local police are required to be at the checkpoint so the TSA can screen bags and provide support. Does every TSO at a checkpoint need to be armed? Of course not. We as a nation should strive to see TSA transform into a well trained, appropriately sized force of highly trained, well equipped security professionals. Whats wrong with that idea? Can they just be in charge of observing and supervising contract employees screen bags? Sure if the level of safety isn't compromised. I just don't see the harm of getting TSA into a lean well equipped and trained force, and not just a part time retirement option.

TSA should not be swon LEO that is a horrible idea IMO. First there is no way DHS can afford to pay all the TSA agents federal law enforcement pay and benefits. Second you then have to train them and retrain them not only in the tactics already used but also law enforcement procedures and operations. Firearm training, arrest tactics, legal education etc... That is just way too much. Every airport has local and even federal officers if the airport has CBP ops. No reason for even more. DHS would need to make a whole new training facility for the massive amounts of new Federal LEO's coming in and out of the system.

I think security should go back to being private.

Quoting PassedV1 (Reply 28):
She was attacking a uniformed security person, there would be no announcd requirement. Besides, he's out of his jurisdiction, and was acting as a private citizen. Arresting a criminal is not a special police power. A private citizen can use reasonable force to detain the perpetrator of a crime they witnessed.

Exactly. If lets say you saw a man trying to fight some woman people including police don't need to say hey stop first before I try to end the situation and ruin the element of surprise.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 29):
Clearly, you are wrong. It was a drunken bum that just wanted a fight. And so what if she got into the "secured" area?

I said, "This was clearly a women fighting the TSA employee and trying to get into the secured area" and you said it was a drunk bum wanting a fight. How in the world am I clearly wrong? And since when is it a good thing to have drunk homeless people go into the secured terminal area without going through security?

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: airtechy
Posted 2013-04-07 12:45:33 and read 2621 times.

Quoting oflanigan (Reply 26):
Again my point is giving LEO status to well trained TSO's will weed out the retired school teachers, and other part time only seeking TSA employees that maybe shouldn't be in government service anyway.

Yes, and of course give then guns. Sounds just like the argument for arming teachers. God save us from the NRA.
 

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: oflanigan
Posted 2013-04-07 18:02:34 and read 2457 times.

I love that instead of adapting the TSA to a changing mission and in essence reduce the size of TSA at airports people just say get rid of the TSA. Its never going to happen.

Our problem isn't the NRA in this country. History has shown, an educated well armed citizenry can change the course of history. Its what allowed America to even exist. But I digress.


I enjoy the "TSA will never be able to convert the current employees and make them all LEO's". I haven't advocated for that at all. I certinly think they can do a better job of hiring, and not increasing its numbers, but choosing a better quality employee and train that employee to do a job more akin to Law Enforcement instead of water bottle snatching. CBP isn't at every airport. Who says they wanna take on another mission. Should we hire 1000 more CBP officers and say your now in charge of transportation security by default of being in DHS? Should the USSS stop investigating financial crimes because they left Treasury for DHS? No. Should the USCG Port Security units deploy to airports because they are in DHS? Probably not. Its simply a question of adapting the present day TSA to a more professional force.

The answer may be private screeners with TSA oversight at the checkpoint. Its not a horrible idea. Just I would like TSA agents to be better trained and have the ability to enforce the laws of the land.

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: Maverick623
Posted 2013-04-07 18:19:23 and read 2427 times.

Quoting flymia (Reply 30):
I said, "This was clearly a women fighting the TSA employee and trying to get into the secured area" and you said it was a drunk bum wanting a fight. How in the world am I clearly wrong?

Apologies, I was still fuming from some of the other asinine posts in this thread. I meant to clarify that her object was to fight, not necessarily to get into a "secured" area.

Quoting flymia (Reply 30):
And since when is it a good thing to have drunk homeless people go into the secured terminal area without going through security?

I seriously doubt a drunk homeless person is a security threat to an airplane.

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: Barney Captain
Posted 2013-04-07 19:06:06 and read 2374 times.

I finally viewed the video and much to my surprise, I know the officer involved - he's a great guy with a sense of fairness and no bravado. Well played Justin  

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: rwy04lga
Posted 2013-04-07 19:52:48 and read 2345 times.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 33):
I seriously doubt a drunk homeless person is a security threat to an airplane.

Just a reminder of how the most unlikely event can actually happen. How many people seriously doubted that 2 planes would fly into the WTC? In this day and age, nothing can/should be discounted. We are warned about distractions caused/exploited by pickpockets on the subway. Who's to say that the nefarious can't do the same thing at an airport? I'm not saying that was case here, just that you can't dismiss the possibility. While not probable, was it 'possible' that this person was paid to create a distraction? While not probable, was it 'possible' that 2 planes would bring the WTC down? 'Yes' to both questions.

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: sprout5199
Posted 2013-04-08 05:48:57 and read 2122 times.

Quoting fraspotter (Reply 15):
That reminds me of the story not too long ago of the teenage beach lifeguard who was fired for running into the water to save a drowning swimmer instead of "calling 911


That was down here in South Florida--Hallandale Beach. The city outsourced the lifeguards to a private company to "save" tax dollars. After he was fired the CEO backtracked big time, and the city didnt renew the contract and quietly added life guards back onto the payroll.

Quoting oflanigan (Reply 7):
LEO status


You are asking for a whole bunch of issues if you do this. They would be Federal LEO's, so the scope of laws they can enforce is limited, then the issue of "states rights" comes up, same with local rights. Have you every heard of an FBI agent writing a traffic ticket? No? It's because he can not, unless the violation was on federal property.

Quoting wingman (Reply 1):
But based on what you see there, and making a few assumptions, I'd wager that off duty cop is about to spend some time in court. First, these two women look to be north of 50 and engaged in what I would describe as a kitten tussle. Second, this guy intervenes in something clearly outside his jurisdiction and applies fairly brutal force in body slamming the attacker to the ground. I think if the TSA agent had been in mortal danger, as implied by the "heroic savior" description, wouldn't she have been somewhat more shocked or winded?


This assumption is like when a cop shoots and kills a suspect holding a knife "why didn't he shoot him in the leg". You stop the threat. Period. The off duty office stopped the threat, the way he was trained. And I believe that most LEO's are required to intervene in cases like this, no matter where they are in the country.

Well done.

Dan in Jupiter

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: Maverick623
Posted 2013-04-08 13:19:35 and read 1929 times.

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 35):
Just a reminder of how the most unlikely event can actually happen.

9/11 was NOT a "most unlikely" event. The FBI repeatedly ignored warnings that were coming in up until September 10th.

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 35):
How many people seriously doubted that 2 planes would fly into the WTC?

As I've said many times before, I was crashing planes into the Pentagon back in 1999 (I was 13) on FS98.

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 35):
In this day and age, nothing can/should be discounted.

That doesn't mean we have to treat every single drunk and disorderly person like a terrorist that's trying to bring down an airplane.

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 35):
We are warned about distractions caused/exploited by pickpockets on the subway. Who's to say that the nefarious can't do the same thing at an airport?

Because there are far easier ways to get around security, plus you're timing would have to be impeccable to slip by. Airports are no where near as secure as you'd like to believe (nor can they ever be without completely shutting down air travel to the masses).

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 35):
While not probable, was it 'possible' that this person was paid to create a distraction?

And if you sit there treating every "possibility" as something that needs to be dealt with, you're creating... dun dun dun... distractions!

Topic: RE: Off Duty Cop Saves TSA Agent
Username: KaiGywer
Posted 2013-04-08 22:52:43 and read 1799 times.

Quoting sprout5199 (Reply 36):
And I believe that most LEO's are required to intervene in cases like this, no matter where they are in the country.

Not required to, but any cop worth anything will. Even in my own city I'm not required to intervene off duty, however, I can only imagine what would happen if I didn't...


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