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Topic: Ryanair Doesn't Rule Out A320NEO
Username: titus95
Posted 2013-04-11 11:27:48 and read 10844 times.

http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-...neosi-airbus-baisse-ses-prix-.html


In one word: If A320NEO price is cheaper than this of 737MAX , they will buy it.

Is this only to lower 737MAX price ?

Topic: RE: Ryanair Doesn't Rule Out A320NEO
Username: MWHCVT
Posted 2013-04-11 11:41:07 and read 10725 times.

The question is however will Airbus sell it to them as Airbus are on record of refusing to deal with FR in the past

Topic: RE: Ryanair Doesn't Rule Out A320NEO
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-04-11 11:45:33 and read 10675 times.

Is this as serious as FR with COMAC?
Low-cost carrier Ryanair has reiterated that its discussions with Chinese airframer Comac on the potential development of a stretched 199-seat variant of its C919 twinjet are serious and could still yield an order for delivery in the 2018-20 timeframe.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...genuine-serious-commitment-376057/


With their latest order, is FR even really in the market now?

Quoting MWHCVT (Reply 1):
as Airbus are on record of refusing to deal with FR in the past

Airbus will still make offers. They just will not negotiate in detail with FR until they are more certain they have a chance of winning the order.


Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Ryanair Doesn't Rule Out A320NEO
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-11 11:50:01 and read 10625 times.

Stating the obvious, of course O'Leary would buy the cheapest aircraft out there. But will Airbus give him a good price? I doubt it.

"We will buy the day their Airbus planes would be cheaper than Boeing."

In an other life maybe.

[Edited 2013-04-11 12:41:07]

Topic: RE: Ryanair Doesn't Rule Out A320NEO
Username: RussianJet
Posted 2013-04-11 12:39:22 and read 10306 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 3):
of course O' Riley would buy the cheapest aircraft out there

O'Who?

Topic: RE: Ryanair Doesn't Rule Out A320NEO
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2013-04-11 12:40:54 and read 10290 times.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 4):
O'Who?

O'Hell, who knows O'Who?  

Topic: RE: Ryanair Doesn't Rule Out A320NEO
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-11 12:43:32 and read 10261 times.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 4):
O'Who?

The question should be: Doctor Who? 

[Edited 2013-04-11 12:45:06]

Topic: RE: Ryanair Doesn't Rule Out A320NEO
Username: BMI727
Posted 2013-04-11 12:47:16 and read 10209 times.

Quoting titus95 (Thread starter):
Ryanair Doesn't Rule Out A320NEO  

Of course they don't, they'd be stupid to potentially lose leverage.

That said, it will probably be a while before Airbus runs out of buyers willing to pay more for slots than Ryanair is willing to pay.

Topic: RE: Ryanair Doesn't Rule Out A320NEO
Username: UA735WL
Posted 2013-04-11 12:48:18 and read 10190 times.

If MOL thinks that Airbus will cut him a discount, he's wrong. I seem to recall John Leahy telling O' Leary that he was welcome to order all the Airbus metal he wanted...at list price. Leahy doesn't want FR using Airbus to get a better deal out of Boeing... that's why (at least for the time being) Airbus won't negotiate with MOL.


Cheers,  


Jonas

[Edited 2013-04-11 12:50:27]

Topic: RE: Ryanair Doesn't Rule Out A320NEO
Username: art
Posted 2013-04-11 13:42:18 and read 9886 times.

"Nous entretenons une relation sur le long terme avec Boeing. Mais si Airbus venait nous voir en nous proposant des prix inférieurs, nous achèterions », a-t-il déclaré à La Tribune."

Loose translation: "We have a long term relationship with Boeing. But if Airbus came to us with lower prices, we would buy from them," he told La Tribune.

Sounds like he's saying that if Airbus came to him with a deal that undercut Boeing he would be prepared to operate a mixed fleet.

Topic: RE: Ryanair Doesn't Rule Out A320NEO
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-04-11 14:38:35 and read 9631 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 6):
The question should be: Doctor Who?

  

We need a 'blue box' icon.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 7):
That said, it will probably be a while before Airbus runs out of buyers willing to pay more for slots than Ryanair is willing to pay.

   And that pretty much ends the discussion.

Quoting art (Reply 9):
Sounds like he's saying that if Airbus came to him with a deal that undercut Boeing he would be prepared to operate a mixed fleet.

I think we all can agree to that. But the chance of Airbus supplying a price to Boeing that met those conditions...

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Ryanair Doesn't Rule Out A320NEO
Username: abrown532
Posted 2013-04-11 15:46:11 and read 9360 times.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 4):
O'Who?

"O'Dear, here comes Ryanair" says easyJet...

Topic: RE: Ryanair Doesn't Rule Out A320NEO
Username: ytz
Posted 2013-04-11 16:01:24 and read 9318 times.

Quoting titus95 (Thread starter):
In one word: If A320NEO price is cheaper than this of 737MAX , they will buy it.

Is this only to lower 737MAX price ?

Even then he's bluffing. Airbus could bid $1M less per airframe and I'll bet MOL wouldn't bite. At this point, the cost to convert their massive fleet from Boeing to Airbus is just too much.

Topic: RE: Ryanair Doesn't Rule Out A320NEO
Username: BlueSky1976
Posted 2013-04-11 23:06:11 and read 6493 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 2):
With their latest order, is FR even really in the market now?

Yes, because they keep their planes only until first D-check (around 7 years or so). 2018 will be the time to start replacing their 737s from their famous "I raped Boeing" order.

Topic: RE: Ryanair Doesn't Rule Out A320NEO
Username: BestWestern
Posted 2013-04-11 23:20:35 and read 6402 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 6):
The question should be: Doctor Who?

I hear Ryanair are negotiating with the BBC to buy some quality Tardis equipment, which will be modified by Comac, adding 189 seats.

Topic: RE: Ryanair Doesn't Rule Out A320NEO
Username: TC957
Posted 2013-04-12 00:45:15 and read 5790 times.

With the way the 320neo family is selling, why should Airbus cut prices further to suit MOL in his negotiating leaverage with Boeing? No, Airbus should continue to tell him to stick it.

Topic: RE: Ryanair Doesn't Rule Out A320NEO
Username: art
Posted 2013-04-12 01:41:30 and read 5398 times.

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 13):
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 2):
With their latest order, is FR even really in the market now?

Yes, because they keep their planes only until first D-check (around 7 years or so). 2018 will be the time to start replacing their 737s from their famous "I raped Boeing" order.

Timing is wrong for trying to get a giveaway price, I think. With no deliveries the A320NEO order pile gets higher with every new order. Who knows how large it will be by the time FR is in a position to place a large order to replace aircraft. I can't see that there is any attraction to Airbus in quoting an extraordinarily low price to use production slots they can sell at a higher price.

Topic: RE: Ryanair Doesn't Rule Out A320NEO
Username: zkeye
Posted 2013-04-12 01:49:39 and read 5326 times.

Sorry for being coarse but I have not ruled out getting a blow job from Elle McPherson - I have about the same odds as Ryanair getting a deal from Airbus though.

Topic: RE: Ryanair Doesn't Rule Out A320NEO
Username: EagleBoy
Posted 2013-04-12 01:52:52 and read 5287 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 2):
With their latest order, is FR even really in the market now?

The recent order was a fleet replacement and expansion order. (I think 90 extra frames on top of their current circa 300 fleet) They chose well with the NG in order to get low prices, the MAX is backlogged and no guarantee that schedule will not slip. FR have stated that they may return soon for a decision on MAX order to follow.

Topic: RE: Ryanair Doesn't Rule Out A320NEO
Username: finnishway
Posted 2013-04-12 03:14:11 and read 4783 times.

It is all about prices. John Leahy has said that Ryanair is asking so low prices that Airbus won't accept. They are not going to sell planes so cheap just to get large orders.

Airbus also has a very long backlog for their NEO aircraft. New customers will get their first aircraft maybe in 2020 or something like that. That is just too long time to wait for a LCC.

I wouldn't be surprised if Airbus won't get so many NEO orders in the near future ans Boeing would get many big orders for MAX. Airlines can get faster deliveries from Boeing, because they don't have as many orders as Airbus has, yet.

Topic: RE: Ryanair Doesn't Rule Out A320NEO
Username: JerseyFlyer
Posted 2013-04-12 04:20:26 and read 4330 times.

The newly offered high density 321neo might suit FR well on their most popular routes if they decide to upsize from their standard 738. It can hold a lot more pax than the 739max.

Topic: RE: Ryanair Doesn't Rule Out A320NEO
Username: packsonflight
Posted 2013-04-12 06:21:03 and read 3537 times.

Quoting zkeye (Reply 17):
Sorry for being coarse but I have not ruled out getting a blow job from Elle McPherson - I have about the same odds as Ryanair getting a deal from Airbus though.

That pretty much sums it up. I suggest this thread should be closed.

Topic: RE: Ryanair Doesn't Rule Out A320NEO
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-04-12 14:14:46 and read 2001 times.

Quoting packsonflight (Reply 21):
That pretty much sums it up. I suggest this thread should be closed.

  

I'll date myself and note I grew up with her being HOT!

But yea, we have an analogy with the same probability. I concur with closing this thread.

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Ryanair Doesn't Rule Out A320NEO
Username: peterinlisbon
Posted 2013-04-12 14:27:24 and read 1964 times.

O Leary - let's play the rape game
Airbus - no thanks!
O Leary - that's the spirit!

Topic: RE: Ryanair Doesn't Rule Out A320NEO
Username: scbriml
Posted 2013-04-12 15:33:48 and read 1856 times.

Quoting finnishway (Reply 19):
I wouldn't be surprised if Airbus won't get so many NEO orders in the near future ans Boeing would get many big orders for MAX.

The current difference in backlog just about matches the difference in launch dates at full production rates - I doubt there's very much difference in availability. My expectation is that neo sales will always head those of MAX simply by virtue of having started earlier (assuming they both maintain very similar production rates).


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