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Topic: AA PHL-NYC Routes After Merger
Username: DeltaXNA
Posted 2013-04-12 02:33:28 and read 5882 times.

What kind of aircraft will probably be used? What will the frequency most likely be? Talking about JFK and LGA

I'm just curious, because the 2 hubs and focus city are very close! Possibly hourly CR7 service to LGA? And a daily CR7 to JFK?

[Edited 2013-04-12 02:36:03]

Topic: RE: AA PHL-NYC Routes After Merger
Username: OzarkD9S
Posted 2013-04-12 03:50:22 and read 5758 times.

Hourly LGA-PHL? If anything the route will be cut in frequency and up-gauged in A/C size, freeing LGA slots for increased frequency on other routes plus a new route or two.

JFK will be interesting due to the fact that many of AA's international markets ex-JFK will be flown nonstop ex-PHL on the new AA. There will most likely be some kind of link, 2-3 Eagle flights would be an optimistic guess. JFK will be the spoke for the most part but a few of AA's partners fly to JFK and not PHL so that would be a good bridge for transfers from say Finnair, Royal Jordanian and the like.

Topic: RE: AA PHL-NYC Routes After Merger
Username: bobloblaw
Posted 2013-04-12 04:03:53 and read 5733 times.

There will be little reason for JFK-PHL service at all.

Topic: RE: AA PHL-NYC Routes After Merger
Username: jfklganyc
Posted 2013-04-12 05:30:39 and read 5527 times.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 2):
There will be little reason for JFK-PHL service at all.

I disagree. If anything there is more of a need to JFK than LGA.

Right now, LGA flights are slot holders that funnel US passengers to connect in PHL. With the plethora of non stop options coming on board out of LGA and JFK via AA, why would they dilute their yield on non stop routes with a turboprop conenction at PHL? And if it wasn't cheaper, who would opt to connect?

Granted, there are small cities served out of the major PHL hub that are not served from NYC...but then they are competing against UA in IAD for the same conenction.

I would expect 2-3 to JFK in the afternoon. And I would expect hourly to LGA...just because thats how they roll

Topic: RE: AA PHL-NYC Routes After Merger
Username: commavia
Posted 2013-04-12 07:18:39 and read 5248 times.

LGA-PHL makes sense given that LGA is a huge AA market, NYC is a huge local market in general, and PHL offers enormous connectivity beyond what AA could ever possibly offer nonstop from NYC. That being said, US today warehouses several slot pairs on LGA-PHL that could be redeployed elsewhere for nonstop flying out of LGA. Plus, many of the largest markets US now connects over PHL out of LGA are flown nonstop by AA from NYC. Given that, I do expect LGA-PHL to see a reduction in frequency, but I definitely expect LGA-PHL to continue.

JFK-PHL is, to me, more of a question market. The primary impetus would seem to be connections, particularly international. But as has already been said, both of these gateways are going to have large amounts of nonstop international flying on their own, anyway. If anything, I could possibly see 1 or at the most 2 RJs, likely in the afternoon.

Topic: RE: AA PHL-NYC Routes After Merger
Username: Flighty
Posted 2013-04-12 07:38:59 and read 5184 times.

PHL to NYC is too short to really serve. CASM is sky high. From the user point of view, PHL offers connections, but not very reliable or fast connections. The connect can take hours. Using PHL for NYC is not a great idea.

Topic: RE: AA PHL-NYC Routes After Merger
Username: konrad
Posted 2013-04-12 07:42:22 and read 5161 times.

How about PHL-EWR now served by a DH2/DH3/DH8 mix. Will it stay?

Topic: RE: AA PHL-NYC Routes After Merger
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2013-04-12 07:54:00 and read 5113 times.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 6):

Agreed, I try to avoid flying through PHL as the ISP and most LGA flights as well go into and out of Terminal F which is a huge pain to get to from the other terminals.

Topic: RE: AA PHL-NYC Routes After Merger
Username: usairways85
Posted 2013-04-12 08:51:16 and read 4967 times.

Quoting konrad (Reply 7):
How about PHL-EWR now served by a DH2/DH3/DH8 mix. Will it stay?

With US leaving Star, I question this route. I know a ton of people fly EWR-PHL-X and PHL-EWR-X but I would imagine Star helps boost this route.

PHL-JFK will depend on how AA/US split TA flts. If they move quite a bit from PHL to JFK then they may want a few flts PHL-JFK to connect PHL to TA flts.

Topic: RE: AA PHL-NYC Routes After Merger
Username: SJUSXM
Posted 2013-04-12 10:49:20 and read 4759 times.

Does the pilot contract limit Eagle flights between hubs? I know previous contracts have had restrictions.

If so that would eliminate the possibility of Eagle PHL-JFK and make for some interesting decisions on PHL-LGA

Topic: RE: AA PHL-NYC Routes After Merger
Username: tommy767
Posted 2013-04-12 10:59:39 and read 4728 times.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 9):
They used to have a 757 on that

Doubt it. You might be thinking PIT-EWR which had a 757 on the route back in 2002.

Topic: RE: AA PHL-NYC Routes After Merger
Username: IADguy73
Posted 2013-04-12 13:35:42 and read 4514 times.

I agree, a few flights a day PHL-JFK would suffice to feed traffic to non-stop destinations out of JFK that are served by OW partners such as Finnair, Jordanian, Iberia and JAL. I have no doubt that both PHL and JFK will keep their current TATL flights, perhaps few smaller destinations such as SNN, LIS and GLA and Star Alliance cities like BRU or ZRH from PHL moving to JFK. At the same time BA could ramp up its PHL shedule and other OW partners could start service, most likely JAL to NRT. Right now these OW partners do not have as many or diverse connections to the rest of the U.S. through JFK as they could potentially have through PHL.

[Edited 2013-04-12 13:37:03]

Topic: RE: AA PHL-NYC Routes After Merger
Username: slcdeltarumd11
Posted 2013-04-12 13:43:17 and read 4497 times.

Quoting konrad (Reply 7):
How about PHL-EWR now served by a DH2/DH3/DH8 mix. Will it stay?

US fills these but tons of people connecting in EWR to United as well. Once the star alliance link dies i think United will go back in not immediately but eventually and US will just reduce to maybe a morning and afternoon link. I bet we see LGA stay similar in number of seats but maybe less frequency and back to larger planes. JFK might need a link 2x daily would be great to have as a link.

Topic: RE: AA PHL-NYC Routes After Merger
Username: commavia
Posted 2013-04-12 13:47:03 and read 4479 times.

Quoting IADguy73 (Reply 13):
a few flights a day PHL-JFK would suffice to feed traffic to non-stop destinations out of JFK that are served by OW partners such as Finnair, Jordanian, Iberia and JAL.

Remember, too, though, that all the European markets that would theoretically be served nonstop from JFK on AA and/or partners but not nonstop from PHL would also all be available with a 1-stop through LHR/MAD. AA may decide it makes more sense to route passengers connecting to DUS, HEL, AMM, etc. through LHR/MAD as opposed to using a JFK slot for what would likely be a 25-minute (air time) flight.

Quoting IADguy73 (Reply 13):
I have no doubt that both PHL and JFK will keep their current TATL flights, perhaps few smaller destinations such as SNN, LIS and GLA and Star Alliance cities like BRU or ZRH from PHL moving to JFK.

  

I fully expect JFK and PHL will both remain very large gateways to Europe, just as they both are now. I can see some shifting among them, but in general I think they'll both retain plenty of international flying.

Quoting IADguy73 (Reply 13):
At the same time BA could ramp up its PHL shedule and other OW partners could start service, most likely JAL to NRT.

I fully expect PHL-LHR to see a major increase in traffic post-merger )once the PHL hub is integrated into the existing AA/BA/IB JBA) including AA upgrading the PHL-LHR flight to a 777 and possibly adding a second flight in the summer, and BA upgrading both flights to 777s and possibly one to a 747 in the summer.

Topic: RE: AA PHL-NYC Routes After Merger
Username: slcdeltarumd11
Posted 2013-04-12 14:40:34 and read 4222 times.

Quoting commavia (Reply 15):
I fully expect JFK and PHL will both remain very large gateways to Europe, just as they both are now. I can see some shifting among them, but in general I think they'll both retain plenty of international flying.

Definitely. There should be some shifting. PHL has so much more conection power and JFK has more o&d power. A route thats has tons of connections will make more sense out of PHL and a route that has alot of NYC area demand or people willing to double connect will make more sense out of JFK.

Topic: RE: AA PHL-NYC Routes After Merger
Username: Dash8Driver16
Posted 2013-04-12 17:36:03 and read 3380 times.

Right now PHL-EWR is served on US by PDT on the dhc-8-100 commutair also serves the route with the -300. This route is mainly a connecting service for star. Alliance international flights. LGA used to be served almost every 45 minutes on a mix of dash's cr's and erj's


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