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Topic: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?
Username: doulasc
Posted 2013-04-05 21:06:40 and read 11470 times.

How many Boeing 747-SPs are still around. I remember when they first came out in 1975 going to Pan Am. How many airframes were built? I heard Pan Am had plans to order some DC-10s(before the National merger) but Boeing built the 747-SP to keep Pan Am from going to Mcdonnell Douglas for planes. Pan Am was the only US air carrier to fly the SP in addition I think TWA had 2 in their fleet. American Airlines operated the SP for a short period for their DFW-Tokyo route,I beleive those were ex-TWAs.
When did Pan Am retire their SPs.How many did PA have?

Topic: RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?
Username: crownvic
Posted 2013-04-05 21:17:43 and read 11448 times.

I think you can find your 747SP questions here:

http://www.747sp.com/

Topic: RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?
Username: MasseyBrown
Posted 2013-04-05 21:49:00 and read 11374 times.

I believe P4-FSH suffered a hard landing. Whether it will be repaired was open to question last I heard.

Topic: RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?
Username: American 767
Posted 2013-04-05 22:12:02 and read 11323 times.

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):
Pan Am was the only US air carrier to fly the SP in addition I think TWA had 2 in their fleet.

Braniff also.

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):
American Airlines operated the SP for a short period for their DFW-Tokyo route,I beleive those were ex-TWAs.

Yes they were. American had two of them, N601AA and N602AA both SP-31s coming from TWA. They were in the fleet from 1987 to 1992, and flew like you say DFW-NRT until 1991 when the MD-11 arrived. When the MD-11 took over DFW-NRT, the 2 SPs were put on the JFK-BRU flight for a year. Once the SP's left the fleet in the middle of 1992, JFK-BRU got the 767 back.

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):
When did Pan Am retire their SPs.How many did PA have?

Pan Am had 11 of them, out of 45 that Boeing built in total. They flew them from 1976 until 1986 when United took over Pan Am's TPAC routes. The 11 SP-21s went to United which flew them until the mid 1990s. By then, the SPs were retired for good. The SPs were replaced by 400s on TPAC routes. Out of 11 SPs United flew, painted in the then Saul Bass livery, only one has seen the battle ship livery. I believe that one of the ex-United SPs was converted to a stratospheric observation laboratory (SOFIA) aircraft.

Ben Soriano

Topic: RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?
Username: Braniff747SP
Posted 2013-04-05 22:16:15 and read 11297 times.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 3):
Braniff also.

Indeed--my username. The big orange.

To answer the OP: http://www.747sp.com/production-list/

Mostly, the in-service frames are operated by IR. A few are operated as VIP in the middle east, with two more with Sands.

Topic: RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?
Username: skywaymanaz
Posted 2013-04-06 01:46:14 and read 10990 times.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 3):
I believe that one of the ex-United SPs was converted to a stratospheric observation laboratory (SOFIA) aircraft.

Former Pan Am Clipper Lindbergh N536PA. It was the only 747SP United painted in battle ship grey as N145UA. Flying for NASA now it has been rechristened Clipper Lindbergh.

Topic: RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?
Username: na
Posted 2013-04-06 01:48:21 and read 10987 times.

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 2):
I believe P4-FSH suffered a hard landing. Whether it will be repaired was open to question last I heard.

It flew last month.

Topic: RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?
Username: United_fan
Posted 2013-04-06 05:21:03 and read 10665 times.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 3):
Out of 11 SPs United flew, painted in the then Saul Bass livery, only one has seen the battle ship livery. I believe that one of the ex-United SPs was converted to a stratospheric observation laboratory (SOFIA) aircraft.

Yep,N147UA was the only one in the (IMO) beautiful grey scheme. It is now N747NA the SOFIA platform.

Topic: RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?
Username: 26point2
Posted 2013-04-06 06:02:33 and read 10519 times.

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 4):
Indeed--my username. The big orange.

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...and this one still flying too. Operated as a private jet for Fry's Electronics and based in KMCC (Sacramento, CA)

Topic: RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?
Username: doulasc
Posted 2013-04-06 06:37:08 and read 10424 times.

I think one is on static display in Africa somewhere,A youtube video saying once it lands it can never take off because the runways are too short.

Topic: RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?
Username: deltacto
Posted 2013-04-06 06:41:37 and read 10372 times.

Quoting doulasc (Reply 9):
I think one is on static display in Africa somewhere,A youtube video saying once it lands it can never take off because the runways are too short.


Yes - at the South African Airways Museum Society

http://www.saamuseum.co.za/component/content/article/43.html

Here is a video of the SA 747SP final landing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai8KY4pxxgw



[Edited 2013-04-06 07:28:19]

Topic: RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?
Username: NW747-400
Posted 2013-04-06 06:56:21 and read 10136 times.

There is an SP parked at CAK. Supposedly it is still airworthy and is owned by a rich church minister or some such nonsense.

Topic: RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?
Username: United_fan
Posted 2013-04-06 07:01:31 and read 10090 times.

Any word on what will happen to N4522V in TIJ ? I read it has a cracked spar or corrosion.

Topic: RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?
Username: MasseyBrown
Posted 2013-04-06 08:06:17 and read 9370 times.

Quoting na (Reply 6):
It flew last month.

Thanks for the update.

Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 11):
There is an SP parked at CAK. Supposedly it is still airworthy and is owned by a rich church minister or some such nonsense.

That's P4-FSH, previously mentioned, owned and operated by the Ernest Angley Ministries of Akron.

Topic: RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?
Username: cruiseshipcrew
Posted 2013-04-06 08:41:52 and read 9004 times.

We have two of them based here in Las Vegas owned by Las Vegas Sands. One is currently in D check also getting a new cabin interior. Always fun to see those take off heading to pick up some high rollers.

Topic: RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?
Username: goosebayguy
Posted 2013-04-06 11:23:05 and read 7627 times.

Saudi Arabia have HZ-AIF for the king and HZ-HM1B . I once flew on AIF before it was converted for the King. The only SP I ever got to fly on sadly.

Topic: RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?
Username: TC957
Posted 2013-04-06 11:29:00 and read 7571 times.

I saw the Bahrain Govt one A9C-HAK on my last visit to LHR 21 March...taxied right past me on it's way out to depart on 9R...great looking bird, think she's the last SP built.

Topic: RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-04-06 12:34:46 and read 7000 times.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 3):
Pan Am had 11 of them, out of 45 that Boeing built in total. They flew them from 1976 until 1986 when United took over Pan Am's TPAC routes. The 11 SP-21s went to United which flew them until the mid 1990s.

Minor correction. Pan Am's 10 factory-delivered aircraft were SP-21s. The 11th was an SP-27 acquired from Braniff.

Topic: RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?
Username: STT757
Posted 2013-04-06 12:48:51 and read 6870 times.

There's one still in UA (pre Battleship) colors at ACY, the FAA uses it and I'm not sure if it still flies.

Topic: RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?
Username: United_fan
Posted 2013-04-06 13:11:51 and read 6676 times.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 18):
There's one still in UA (pre Battleship) colors at ACY, the FAA uses it and I'm not sure if it still flies.

Not in a long time.

Topic: RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?
Username: crank
Posted 2013-04-06 13:32:45 and read 6496 times.

Pratt & Whitney has two of them based at CYMX. They use them as engine test beds.

Topic: RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?
Username: n797mx
Posted 2013-04-06 14:09:44 and read 6198 times.

Quoting na (Reply 6):
Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 2):
I believe P4-FSH suffered a hard landing. Whether it will be repaired was open to question last I heard.

It flew last month.

Yep, it flys all the time and is still active. I see it when I do training flights to cak all the time

Topic: RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?
Username: rwy04lga
Posted 2013-04-06 18:39:55 and read 4555 times.

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 13):
That's P4-FSH

Why register 'Star Triple Seven' in Aruba?

Topic: RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?
Username: flylku
Posted 2013-04-06 18:48:06 and read 4498 times.

Anyone remember the very old UA ad that had a brief shot of an SP taxiing at SFO (I think)?

Topic: RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?
Username: SEPilot
Posted 2013-04-10 06:05:30 and read 3026 times.

Here's a curious fact. I was looking up information on Braniff's fleet, and they had flown 3 747SP's I checked what had happened to them after Braniff's demise, and all 3 are listed as still active-one is Frye's (this is the one that went to PA), one is owned by the Yemen government, and the third is a Royal Flight of Oman bird.

Topic: RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?
Username: United_fan
Posted 2013-04-10 06:21:25 and read 3110 times.

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 22):
Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 13):
That's P4-FSH

Why register 'Star Triple Seven' in Aruba?

Taxes . Aruba ,the Caymans and Bermuda are tax havens.

Topic: RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?
Username: JohnClipper
Posted 2013-04-10 06:49:12 and read 3058 times.

Quoting flylku (Reply 23):
Anyone remember the very old UA ad that had a brief shot of an SP taxiing at SFO (I think)?

I believe it was an SP taxiing/landing in HKG. Was the Rhapsody in Blue/United's Pacific ad I believe.

Topic: RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?
Username: FighterPilot
Posted 2013-04-10 08:10:52 and read 2968 times.

Quoting United_fan (Reply 12):
Any word on what will happen to N4522V in TIJ ? I read it has a cracked spar or corrosion.

I'm also interested in what happened to N4522V since it's been in TIJ, I remember when it was up north here at YQT, it made the local news because it was such a big plane at a smaller sized airport. Also my first photo on Airliners was of N4522V's tail.

Cal   

Topic: RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?
Username: United_fan
Posted 2013-04-12 04:55:28 and read 2456 times.

Quoting FighterPilot (Reply 27):
Quoting United_fan (Reply 12):
Any word on what will happen to N4522V in TIJ ? I read it has a cracked spar or corrosion.

I'm also interested in what happened to N4522V since it's been in TIJ, I remember when it was up north here at YQT, it made the local news because it was such a big plane at a smaller sized airport. Also my first photo on Airliners was of N4522V's tail.

Cal

I saw a picture of it inside a hangar. Probably end up derelict there .

Topic: RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?
Username: B727LVR
Posted 2013-04-12 22:27:15 and read 2101 times.

Quoting 26point2 (Reply 8):
Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 4):
Indeed--my username. The big orange.

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...and this one still flying too. Operated as a private jet for Fry's Electronics and based in KMCC (Sacramento, CA)



Indeed it is! As N747A, previously N747FU (my fav tail # of all time). From what the reps told us, they chose the N747FU tail number because the FAA was giving them a hard time about issuing a CoA for the plane because it cam from overseas, from the Omani Royal flight fleet, and it was behind in the required system updates to be 'N' registered. When the FAA finally gave them the CoA that registration was chosen as a jab back to the FAA. Dont know if the reps were pulling our legs or not, but it sounded good to us! I was working in ROW when William Fry flew in on a Saberliner with his flight crew to pick it up and fly it to SoCal Aviation for its C-Check and interior mod. Mr. Fry was a really nice guy, had a ring that was as big around as my watch tho... His flight crew were some of the acrobatic team pilots, I have some pics of the interior while it still had the Omani Royal flight interior in it somewhere... I will see if i can dig them up for you guys.  


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