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Topic: BA B737-400 Future
Username: SAA201
Posted 2013-04-10 21:48:44 and read 12436 times.

Hi there

Apologies if this has been discussed before.

I notice that British Airways still operates about 19 B734's, Are there any plans to replace/retire this these aircraft from the fleet anytime soon?

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: columba
Posted 2013-04-10 22:09:32 and read 12411 times.

I am not a huge expert when it comes to BA but I believe that all BA 737-400s are based in London Gatwick and are about to be replaced with A319s.

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: ba319-131
Posted 2013-04-10 23:40:45 and read 12252 times.

Quoting SAA201 (Thread starter):
Apologies if this has been discussed before.

- Oh many many times...........

Quoting columba (Reply 1):
I am not a huge expert when it comes to BA but I believe that all BA 737-400s are based in London Gatwick and are about to be replaced with A319s.

- I think 3 -400's will be leaving the fleet this year, a final decision on the final fleet replacement has not been officially announced, though I expect it will be more 319 hand me downs from LHR when new 320's enter the fleet.

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2013-04-11 02:10:01 and read 11927 times.

The takeover of Vueling by IAG may well mean LGW won't need them replaced at all....
They'll all be gone in the next two years, and yet there are no replacements on order. An RFP was meant to go to the board once handling was outsourced to Swissport, it never did. BA don't have 19 A320s coming so either they'll be leasing (unlikely), downsizing (again) or leaving LGW to a lower cost subsidiary focussed on leisure (Vueling). We shall see.

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: jumpjets
Posted 2013-04-11 02:46:03 and read 11825 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 3):
BA don't have 19 A320s coming so either they'll be leasing (unlikely), downsizing (again) or leaving LGW to a lower cost subsidiary focussed on leisure (Vueling). We shall see.

I seem to recall [but can't now find] an analysis done at the time of the BA/BD combination which indicated that there would be several ex-BMI A319/320s that would be surplus to requirements once BA gave up the remedy slots at LHR/merged BA/BD operations. When taken with BA 319s going to Gatwick as their new A320s arrived they would provide a fair bit of capacity to replace the 734s without new RFPs being required - so maybe they can feasibly be replaced with second hand 319s from LHR.

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: mutu
Posted 2013-04-11 03:12:15 and read 11752 times.

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 4):
I seem to recall [but can't now find] an analysis done at the time of the BA/BD combination which indicated that there would be several ex-BMI A319/320s that would be surplus to requirements once BA gave up the remedy slots at LHR/merged BA/BD operations. When taken with BA 319s going to Gatwick as their new A320s arrived they would provide a fair bit of capacity to replace the 734s without new RFPs being required - so maybe they can feasibly be replaced with second hand 319s from LHR.

Indeed this is looking a reasonably strong bet now: with a lot of slot sitting at LHR (Dublin going to 56 weekly plus EI codeshare!) pending longhaul frame deliveries, I believe a the last investor day presentation did in fact demonstrate that at least 19 319 types would be "surplus" to LHR by summer 14 schedule

Hence no RFP necessary

As to whether Vuelling would "take over" LGW, I dont know how different pay rates are but I suspect the cost saving is modest only and given the brand positioning I think it unlikely but even if that was the route taken there would still be a need to modern frames to replace the 734

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: Bongodog1964
Posted 2013-04-11 03:34:10 and read 11669 times.

I think we can discount any idea of Vuelling taking over from BA at LGW.
Firstly its a meaningless brand in the UK - if BA shorthaul from LGW is unprofitable now, this would sink it beyond repair.
Secondly, LGW's problems aren't in the main one of staff paid way beyond their counterparts at competing airlines, its more of an identity problem.
For long haul the identity is clear - LGW = Carribbean & Florida beach fleet
For short haul though its a combination of European leisure destinations that BA feels it ought to service, plus routes that they would like to fly from LHR but can't justify the slots, and even routes that shuttle back and forth between LHR & LGW according to what slots long haul feel they can utilise better depending on availability of long haul aircraft, and customer demand for routes.

If the intention of BA management is that LGW exists to provide frequent fliers with somewhere to cash in their Avios points, plus a buffer to allow maximum utilisation of LHR slots its presently fulfilling its function.

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2013-04-11 04:32:38 and read 11520 times.

The six A319s are already at LGW, that's a shortfall of about sixteen....

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: Bongodog1964
Posted 2013-04-11 04:37:25 and read 11498 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 7):
The six A319s are already at LGW, that's a shortfall of about sixteen....

There's 10 A320's on order that were originally destined for IB and will now go to BA, then the shortfall will be down to 6.

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2013-04-11 06:11:34 and read 11267 times.

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 8):
There's 10 A320's on order that were originally destined for IB and will now go to BA, then the shortfall will be down to 6.

OK cool, so Gatters gets the oldest unwanted LHR hand me downs yet again? Bet they start with G-EUPA  

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: Pegasus1
Posted 2013-04-11 07:01:15 and read 11140 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 9):
OK cool, so Gatters gets the oldest unwanted LHR hand me downs yet again? Bet they start with G-EUPA

Not at all.

LGW has inherited so far 5 ex-bmi machines which, from a pax point of view are actually quite nice to fly in. Admittedly they are a little more cramped than the BA A319s, as they accommodate 138/144 pax rather than 132 but the cabins are brighter and fresher-looking than BA's originals and certainly an improvement on the tired and worn-out 734s.

No doubt aircraft will be rotated periodically but I understand the plan is to move more of the ex-bmi machines down to Gatwick in due course, which makes sense as they would then have a standard product and seating configuration which comes closer to matching the seating capacity of the 734s they're replacing.

The five ex-bmi machines are:

G-DBCC
G-DBCG
G-DBCI
G-DBCJ
G-DBCK

[Edited 2013-04-11 07:07:33]

[Edited 2013-04-11 07:08:52]

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: VV701
Posted 2013-04-11 07:26:25 and read 11050 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 9):
OK cool, so Gatters gets the oldest unwanted LHR hand me downs yet again? Bet they start with G-EUPA

When BA outfitted the cabins of the former BD 319s in their own style they left their cabins configured Y 144 when all the rest of the BA 319 fleet was configured C/Y 132.

At the start of the current Summer Season BA transferred five of these ex-BD 319s, G-DBCE, 'CG, 'CI, 'CJ and 'CK to LGW. These five aircraft comprise the three youngest and the fifth and seventh youngest 319s in the BA fleet of 44 aircraft.

When BA amended the cabins of the former BD aircraft they clearly left them configured for up to 144 passengers for a reason. Now almost half of that sub-fleet of eleven aircraft is LGW based. I would think it likely that the remaining six 319s will be operating out of LGW in due course, perhaps from the start of Summer Season 2014.

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2013-04-11 07:27:20 and read 11051 times.

Quoting Pegasus1 (Reply 10):
Admittedly they are a little more cramped than the BA A319s,

I know, got stuck in row 5 on a LHR recently, it was very tight (!)
So let's say they get all of the ex BMI A319s, that's eleven in all so that's a shortfall of about 15 on a summer fleet basis?
Maybe looking to get some of the IB A319s?

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: SKAirbus
Posted 2013-04-11 07:44:26 and read 10997 times.

Quoting Pegasus1 (Reply 10):
LGW has inherited so far 5 ex-bmi machines which, from a pax point of view are actually quite nice to fly in. Admittedly they are a little more cramped than the BA A319s, as they accommodate 138/144 pax rather than 132 but the cabins are brighter and fresher-looking than BA's originals and certainly an improvement on the tired and worn-out 734s.

I flew on an ex BMI bird yesterday (G-DBCD) on RTM-LHR in the Dove Livery. The interior was very different:

- No dropdown screens
- Larger overhead bins
- No cabin divider
- Re-upholstered Lufthansa seats (where you can pull down part of the middle seat in Club). As these were already quite new BA obviously decided it a waste of money to replace them with ther standard seats.
- Only two toilets (1 forward and 1 back)

Also it appeared that the aircraft was not configured for containers hence why it is operated out of Terminal 1 and not Terminal 5. This also makes it more suitable for LGW operations.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 12):
I know, got stuck in row 5 on a LHR recently, it was very tight (!)
So let's say they get all of the ex BMI A319s, that's eleven in all so that's a shortfall of about 15 on a summer fleet basis?
Maybe looking to get some of the IB A319s?

I thought there was plenty of leg room myself, the reason for the extra seats is that it is essentially an all economy lay out with one less toilet (where it is in the rear bulkhead as opposed to between the seats and the galley) and there is no extra leg-room seating at the front for Club. I noticed no leg-room difference at all.

So yes, these aircraft will fit in quite well at LGW and I imagine some of the legacy BA 319 aircraft will be reconfigured and based at LGW in the future to replace the entire 737-400 fleet. I imagine some of BMI's A320s will also find their way to LGW for higher-capacity flights.

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2013-04-11 08:21:55 and read 10934 times.

BINGO !

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 13):
I thought there was plenty of leg room myself, the reason for the extra seats is that it is essentially an all economy lay out with one less toilet (where it is in the rear bulkhead as opposed to between the seats and the galley)

Given that short haul LGW exists partly to allow AVIOS redemption for their Gold and Silver card holders, chucking them into an all economy aircraft is not that bright as the feedback has proven. The sun destination product out of LCY is now far superior. People are just assuming that BMI A320s will eventually go to LGW, let's wait and see.

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: SKAirbus
Posted 2013-04-11 08:44:44 and read 10805 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 14):
Given that short haul LGW exists partly to allow AVIOS redemption for their Gold and Silver card holders, chucking them into an all economy aircraft is not that bright as the feedback has proven. The sun destination product out of LCY is now far superior. People are just assuming that BMI A320s will eventually go to LGW, let's wait and see.

The forward seats still allow for club configuration with a middle table that can be folded down with cup holders and extra space using the middle seat.

I imagine they will add a divider soon as the club area is not particularly exclusive on these aircraft.

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: mutu
Posted 2013-04-11 08:47:50 and read 10771 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 14):
Given that short haul LGW exists partly to allow AVIOS redemption for their Gold and Silver card holders, chucking them into an all economy aircraft is not that bright as the feedback has proven. The sun destination product out of LCY is now far superior. People are just assuming that BMI A320s will eventually go to LGW, let's wait and see.

There is Club Europe still on these frames........so not sure what your point is?

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: SAA201
Posted 2013-04-11 09:10:02 and read 10458 times.

Thanks for the replies.

The reason I asked was that I heard a rumour about some B737-436's possibly making their way to Comair in South Africa which operates a British Airways franchise. The plan is apparently to replace that airline's early model, high time B737-300's with the B734's. If true, it's not a bad idea for the BA/Comair brand to move to a full B734 operation which would make sense in terms of seat selling, aircraft rotations, aircraft changes etc. Additionally, no repaint or interior modifications would need to take place. The aircraft would simply need to be reregistered with ZS- registrations!

Comair already operates 9 B737-400's across its British Airways and kulula brands, 3 of which are B737-436's which moved from BA mainline to Comair in 2002.

Comair also operates B737-800's on its kulula Low Cost brand

[Edited 2013-04-11 09:15:41]

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2013-04-11 09:51:50 and read 10031 times.

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 15):
The forward seats still allow for club configuration with a middle table that can be folded down with cup holders and extra space using the middle seat.

With very poor legroom. Not being funny but it's a serious point.
They're supposed to entice some seriously wealthy peeps from the Exec Club with an inferior product? Or are they competeing with EZY for ma, pa and the kids off to the Costas? The feedback from the current Club product out of LGW isn't brilliant and now they've got economy legroom up front.

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: baexecutive
Posted 2013-04-11 10:42:30 and read 9533 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 18):

LOL of course they are competing with EZY.....new hand baggage only fares, new routes to Alicante, Tenerife and Lanzarote!

As to enticing seriously wealthy people from the EC, I think this is very low on the 'to do' list at Gatters as is evidenced with the lack of wardrobe on the Airbus!

Don't be surprised if Club Europe is removed in the near future!

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2013-04-11 10:49:48 and read 9455 times.

I agree, so we're nearly back to KT  
If they do that and LGW becomes an operating unit standing on it's own two feet and *revenue*, as it's now a profit centre, can they beat EZY? That's the bit I don't see. How does BA beat EZY who will still have lower costs and younger aircraft?

I get having LGW as somewhere to redeem Avios but if they take the EZY option, they have to win on p2p economy?!?! Club is barely worth the money out of LHR on short haul and LGW less so.

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: raffik
Posted 2013-04-11 11:20:34 and read 9113 times.

A friend who works at BA says that BA's LGW operation won't be around in the future.

Really unfortunate because they offer a vastly improved service over Easyjet.
I was hoping to see the resumption of services to LPA

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: vectismanpaul
Posted 2013-04-11 12:06:13 and read 8701 times.

This debate has become rather wide ranging!
Whilst the purchase of Vueling may change BA's short haul operations in some areas, to talk about the removal of BA from Gatwick is rather premature in my opinion.
Long haul from Gatwick I believe is profit making, whilst margins on short haul may not be so good, but after recent cost cutting have improved.
BA are operating on average 60 plus departure a day from Gatwick this Summer (A few more in peak months). These cannot simply be transferred to Heathrow. Passenger numbers are nearly 5 million.
Also BA go after a different market at Gatwick. As I have said before BA seem to have realised it is better to tailor services to the different markets of Heathrow, Gatwick and London City. Vueling may have a part to play or it may not, we will just have to wait and see.
Personally I believe the purchase of Vueling has more to do with the future of Iberia and its unions than BA operations.


V.

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: bwaflyer
Posted 2013-04-11 12:23:32 and read 8537 times.

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 15):
I imagine they will add a divider soon as the club area is not particularly exclusive on these aircraft.

The ex-bmi A319s do have cabin dividers which are a single piece unit (rather than the three piece unit on BA aircraft). There are a couple of aircraft knocking around that had broken dividers which have had to be removed in their entirety for repairs, and should be back soon. (I've also worked on several BA aircraft in the last few weeks missing 1 section of the cabin divider as well) All the bmi aircraft also had a small wardrobe opposite the forward crew seat to hang the jackets for the front row (all other rows have a double coat hook on the centre seat back). In bmi days all the emergency equipment was fitted in galley spaces or behind the last row of seats in two large drawers leaving all the overhead lockers available for passenger luggage. BA decided to place two oxygen bottles in the bottom of the wardrobe meaning that nothing else can be stored in there (and the overhead lockers are full of equipment at the front and back - grrrr). The two huge drawers behind the last row of seats now store catering equipment.

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 13):
Also it appeared that the aircraft was not configured for containers hence why it is operated out of Terminal 1 and not Terminal 5. This also makes it more suitable for LGW operations.

The original bmi Airbus fleet (G-MIDx A320 and A321s) are (were) containerised (indeed several ex bmi A320s have operated from T5 on an infrequent basis - the last of the A321s left a couple of years ago). The A319s were delivered as bulk loaded aircraft as are all the ex- BMed (G-MEDx) aircraft.

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: Bongodog1964
Posted 2013-04-11 13:12:08 and read 8095 times.

Quoting raffik (Reply 21):
A friend who works at BA says that BA's LGW operation won't be around in the future.

I think your friends opinions are at best tea room tittle tattle. Do you seriously think that BA is going to scrap their market leading position on the Carribbean routes ?

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2013-04-11 14:24:49 and read 7677 times.

If they could swap Vueling's LHR operation and consolidate all long haul from LGW, yes.

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: cornishsimon
Posted 2013-04-11 18:08:36 and read 6535 times.

Got to love the doom and gloom members posting about the end of BA at LGW

This is peoples jobs were talking about here, how about a little fact to back up the arm chair CEO opinions ?


cs

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: SKAirbus
Posted 2013-04-12 01:14:34 and read 4768 times.

I think that BA could do with modernising its fleet and image at LGW. It has a lot to say about an airline. Passengers may not care much about aircraft types but they can tell when an aircraft is tatty and worn.

I miss the days when LGW had routes to most European hubs.

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2013-04-12 01:54:05 and read 4728 times.

There's not much left to cut, 19 old B737s and the few customer service staff who were not outsourced to Swissport. LGW has been a proving ground for cost cutting at LHR, Mixed Fleet is based on Single Fleet LGW, ramp handling can be also now be seen to be an outsourcing option for LHR as costs are removed from the business. There seems to be no RFP for new aircraft will peeps blithely assuming old aircraft will trickle down from LHR. Last new short haul delivery was a Dan Air ordered B734 in 1993. They have the ex BMI A319s for the minute but I maintain proper strategic options are now available with the IAG purchase of Vueling that could have profit making synergies too big to ignore. Bumbling along flying LHR cast offs is not sustainable.

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: Bongodog1964
Posted 2013-04-12 02:01:29 and read 4720 times.

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 27):
I think that BA could do with modernising its fleet and image at LGW. It has a lot to say about an airline. Passengers may not care much about aircraft types but they can tell when an aircraft is tatty and worn.

There's a fallacy that the 734's are in a poorer state than the LHR short haul fleet based purely on age. The reality is that they are periodically updated during major checks in just the same wway as their LHR counterparts. Sometimes you get one just out of overhaul, sometimes you get one thats about to head off to the hangars. I flew LHR - LIS on a very tatty A320 a couple of years back, and returned FAO - LGW 2 weeks later on an immaculate 734.

All aircraft with all airlines take a hell of a beating, imagine what your sofa would look like if you sat on it for 14 hours a day, your bathroom if you used it hundreds of times, and your carpets if you got 140 people to shuffle along them in their outside shoes 6 times a day.

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: APYu
Posted 2013-04-12 02:06:39 and read 4677 times.

Quoting cornishsimon (Reply 26):
This is peoples jobs were talking about here, how about a little fact to back up the arm chair CEO opinions ?

The lack of profitability is probably the fact being used.

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: raffik
Posted 2013-04-12 02:14:32 and read 4673 times.

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 24):
Do you seriously think that BA is going to scrap their market leading position on the Carribbean routes ?

I was referring to the short haul network - ala the short haul 737-400 fleet that the poster mentioned.

I have flown on the 737-400 extensively from Gatwick over the last year and personally don't find them that different to the early A320s that BA operate from Heathrow. But when you put them against Easyjet's A319s they do seem older to the average passenger.

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: SKAirbus
Posted 2013-04-12 04:50:48 and read 4479 times.

Quoting raffik (Reply 31):

I have flown on the 737-400 extensively from Gatwick over the last year and personally don't find them that different to the early A320s that BA operate from Heathrow. But when you put them against Easyjet's A319s they do seem older to the average passenger.

All the early A320s have been retired now I think.. The G-BUSX models that were inherited from BCAL. I think the oldest A320 is G-MIDY delivered on 07-05-1999. The oldest "legacy" A320 is G-EUUA delivered in January 2002.

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2013-04-12 05:10:26 and read 4464 times.

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 29):
There's a fallacy that the 734's are in a poorer state than the LHR short haul fleet based purely on age.

Reliability is right up there with the B767s, i.e. in the toilet. It's not great but they are paid off and still flying for just a little longer. Vueling are understood to be sniffing around a.n.others slot portfolio at Gatters to get a foot in the door as well. Once that happens it's BA vs GO all over again as the airline finds itself competing with...well, itself. Look I love BA LGW, the cabin crew were way better than LHR until Mixed Fleet was born. They've had a load of knocks since, well actually it's a long time now. They've just dumped LGW-MAN, I can't see GLA / EDI being far behind, they're now focussing on sun and leisure routes. At group level the strategy seems to be
1) BA hub through LHR
2) IB hub through MAN
3) VY - serving Spain outside MAD.

Swap VY LHR slots with BA to assist in 1) and expand 3) by adding LGW from non MAD Spain and other sun routes.

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: by738
Posted 2013-04-12 10:46:23 and read 4205 times.

Can't see GLA and EDI being ditched.

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: APYu
Posted 2013-04-12 11:53:55 and read 4124 times.

Quoting by738 (Reply 34):

Why can't you see GLA and EDI being ditched? BA have clearly stated that connecting traffic is not their strategic direction at LGW and don't EZY serve both?

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: rutankrd
Posted 2013-04-12 12:13:47 and read 4085 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 33):
2) IB hub through MAN

Floydian slip i think skip

I sure many would welcome an Iberia Hub off the M56 !

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: BA174
Posted 2013-04-13 07:55:04 and read 3608 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 33):

You keep mentioning this in a number of threads like most have said including me, Which fleet crew belong to or base has nothing to do with he service at all. Mixed fleet are not perfect but neither are any crew from any fleet. To LGW crew as if they are a bunch of has beens is just ignorant. Nothing to do with BAs fleet of 734s.

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: by738
Posted 2013-04-13 08:19:59 and read 3567 times.

Quoting APYu (Reply 35):
Why can't you see GLA and EDI being ditched?

Those that wanted to use other airports or other modes of transport (ie trains) would have done so by now, where as 80,000 pax (from both EDI+GLA) are still using the route (albeit on all carriers), and for GLA that is barely 20,000 less than the LHR route. The advantages of train travel as an alternative diminish the further north you go. Whether BA promote it or not, there is still a large amount of connecting pax using these two routes (infact the LGW LAS route is now one of the most popular. The AdiosAvios users will also be taking advantage of the increasing leisure routes ex LGW). You very rarely see a BA LGW- Scotland getting cancelled. It may adapt and change, but would be surprised to see it completely axed.

Topic: RE: BA B737-400 Future
Username: VV701
Posted 2013-04-13 08:28:04 and read 3587 times.

A key role that LGW plays in BA's strategy is to ease the problems the airline experiences as a result of LHR being slot bound.

Over the years we have seen certain BA routes oscillating between LHR and LGW. For example when the EU / US Open Skies agreement came into force BA needed a significant number of additional LHR slots so they could move their flights to the likes of ATL and IAH to LHR to remain competitive with the likes of DL and CO when they moved their flights between LON and these airports to LHR.

In order to "gain" all the LHR slots they needed, BA moved their three-times-daily short haul flights to WAW from LHR to LGW. Later and as soon as they had obtained additional LHR slots they moved their WAW service back to LHR.

Again when they purchased BD they had the slots at LHR but not the aircraft to operate the new long haul services they needed to operate them. So they moved services from LGW to LHR to slot sit while awaiting deliveries of those aircraft.

My view is that having plenty of short haul slots at LGW "down the road" from LHR is a key factor for BA in maintaining a competitive position at LHR.

So will BA hand over their short haul LGW slots to VY? I do not think so. To do so would damage their LHR operations. To view BA's LHR and LGW as entirely separate and not somewhat interdependent operations would, in my opinion, be a mistake.


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