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Topic: United Newark Transatlantic Flight Nos
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2013-04-13 16:11:35 and read 6992 times.

Is there a ratinionale for the mid season tweak to the UA flight numbers out of EWR? EWR-BHX is changing from UA26 / 27 to UA27 / 26 with the Westbounds now even numbers, GLA, MAN and BFS are simiar with EDI remaining unchanged.

* Geekiest question ever

[Edited 2013-04-13 16:12:39]

Topic: RE: United Newark Transatlantic Flight Nos
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2013-04-13 17:23:34 and read 6796 times.

It's not just EWR. No one came up with a logical reason the last time this was discussed:

UA Re-numbering Historical Atlantic Flights (by 777-500er Mar 18 2013 in Civil Aviation)

Topic: RE: United Newark Transatlantic Flight Nos
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2013-04-13 17:54:56 and read 6699 times.

Awesome many thanks !

Topic: RE: United Newark Transatlantic Flight Nos
Username: brilondon
Posted 2013-04-13 20:17:54 and read 6432 times.

I was wondering the same thing but was afraid to ask. Also why does DL use the odd flight numbers between JFK-LHR while all other routes to LHR seem to have odd numbers?

Topic: RE: United Newark Transatlantic Flight Nos
Username: Polot
Posted 2013-04-13 20:42:03 and read 6368 times.

Quoting brilondon (Reply 3):
Also why does DL use the odd flight numbers between JFK-LHR while all other routes to LHR seem to have odd numbers?

Probably because DL 1 is JFK-LHR. They wanted their flight 1 to be from the US, not to the US, and probably made all their other JFK-LHR fights have odd numbers to be consistent with 1.

Topic: RE: United Newark Transatlantic Flight Nos
Username: atcsundevil
Posted 2013-04-14 04:02:00 and read 5342 times.

Quoting brilondon (Reply 3):

I was wondering the same thing but was afraid to ask. Also why does DL use the odd flight numbers between JFK-LHR while all other routes to LHR seem to have odd numbers?

Prestige. Goes back to the Pan Am days when DL bought those rights, I believe.

Topic: RE: United Newark Transatlantic Flight Nos
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2013-04-14 04:28:42 and read 5220 times.

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 5):

Prestige. Goes back to the Pan Am days when DL bought those rights, I believe.

No it's very recent, DL1 was JFK-LGW from around 2008, United bought the Pan Am JFK-LHR operation.

Topic: RE: United Newark Transatlantic Flight Nos
Username: CaptCufflinks
Posted 2013-04-14 04:53:30 and read 5085 times.

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 5):
Goes back to the Pan Am days when DL bought those rights, I believe.

Not quite:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 6):
No it's very recent, DL1 was JFK-LGW from around 2008,

That's correct.

Topic: RE: United Newark Transatlantic Flight Nos
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-04-14 07:59:09 and read 4077 times.

Quoting brilondon (Reply 3):
Also why does DL use the odd flight numbers between JFK-LHR while all other routes to LHR seem to have odd numbers?
Quoting Polot (Reply 4):
Quoting brilondon (Reply 3):Also why does DL use the odd flight numbers between JFK-LHR while all other routes to LHR seem to have odd numbers?

Probably because DL 1 is JFK-LHR. They wanted their flight 1 to be from the US, not to the US, and probably made all their other JFK-LHR fights have odd numbers to be consistent with 1.

Correct. They wanted the DL1 flight number on the flight departing JFK, regardless of that fact that it's inconsistent with the common "eastbound even, westbound odd" flight numbering convention used by many carriers for decades, especially carriers based in North America.

Topic: RE: United Newark Transatlantic Flight Nos
Username: jfk777
Posted 2013-04-14 15:19:05 and read 2085 times.

BA also has flight #1 on their A31 flight to London City Airport.

Topic: RE: United Newark Transatlantic Flight Nos
Username: USAirALB
Posted 2013-04-14 15:51:26 and read 1956 times.

Airlines typically come with a range of flight numbers to be used on flights to a given area and no one really knows why said numbers are picked.

For example, right now on US, all flights to Europe/Middle East have a even flight number in the 700s range, while flights from Europe/Middle East have an odd flight number in the 700 range.

PHL-FRA-700
CLT-FRA-704
CLT-FRA-706

Flight 702 is reserved for the second daily PHL-FRA service, which strangely, has not resumed yet.

Flights on US to Mexico/Latin America typically follow the same rule, but in the 800 range.

CLT-GIG-800
CLT-GRU-801
PHL-CUN-803
PHL-CUN-805
PHL-CUN-811
CLT-MEX-829
CLT-CUN-883
CLT-CUN-885
CLT-CUN-887

I've noticed that this pattern does not apply to flights operating less than daily in some parts of the year, hence CLT-LIR/SJD/SJO/CZM/BZE do not have a 8XX flight number.

Topic: RE: United Newark Transatlantic Flight Nos
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2013-04-14 15:55:54 and read 1941 times.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 9):
BA also has flight #1 on their A31 flight to London City Airport.

FROM London City, as per all BA long haul, ex London is odd, inbound London is even.

LHR has loads of ones  
DL1
EK1
MH1
NZ1
QF1
QR1
VS1

Topic: RE: United Newark Transatlantic Flight Nos
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2013-04-14 18:11:06 and read 1757 times.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 10):
Airlines typically come with a range of flight numbers to be used on flights to a given area and no one really knows why said numbers are picked.

For example, right now on US, all flights to Europe/Middle East have a even flight number in the 700s range, while flights from Europe/Middle East have an odd flight number in the 700 range.

I was always under the impression that US numbering is quite straight forward. 1-699 is PMAW and 700+ is PMUS. Therefore, US700 PHL-FRA is, effectively, PMUS1. Europe uses what amounts to 1-100 and LatAm uses 100-200.

Topic: RE: United Newark Transatlantic Flight Nos
Username: USAirALB
Posted 2013-04-14 19:10:04 and read 1679 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 12):

I was always under the impression that US numbering is quite straight forward. 1-699 is PMAW and 700+ is PMUS. Therefore, US700 PHL-FRA is, effectively, PMUS1. Europe uses what amounts to 1-100 and LatAm uses 100-200.

That's correct, and actually, I have never thought of it like that. Makes sense.

Topic: RE: United Newark Transatlantic Flight Nos
Username: atcsundevil
Posted 2013-04-15 05:50:51 and read 1480 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 6):
Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 5):

Prestige. Goes back to the Pan Am days when DL bought those rights, I believe.

No it's very recent, DL1 was JFK-LGW from around 2008, United bought the Pan Am JFK-LHR operation.

Hence why I said "I believe", which was obviously incorrect. I don't follow Delta, but I know they bought a large portion of Pan Am's assets (FRA, JFK T3, etc) and thought maybe they had acquired this route/flight number as well. It is for a prestige factor though, so at least I wasn't completely wrong.


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