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Topic: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: ojas
Posted 2013-04-11 02:31:52 and read 13267 times.

Effective 04 September 2013 Emirates will start daily flights between DXB and ARN using a B777-300ER service.

EK 157 DXB - ARN 0715 1200
EK 158 ARN - DXB 1355 2225

Daily B777-300ER

source: http://www.dubaichronicle.com/2013/0...es-to-start-services-to-stockholm/

[Edited 2013-04-11 02:33:12]

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: AirIndia
Posted 2013-04-11 02:36:05 and read 13247 times.

Excellent news. Slowly expanding into Scandinavia.

BTW, the 77W is a three class.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: g2scandinavia
Posted 2013-04-11 02:37:47 and read 13225 times.

Very great news indeed and now it's finally official!

Congratulations to Stockholm and Arlanda. This will most definitely bring more visitors in to you beautiful city!

[Edited 2013-04-11 02:40:31]

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: ojas
Posted 2013-04-11 02:37:53 and read 13224 times.

True, now the only city left is Oslo and it will end QR monopoly there  

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: AirIndia
Posted 2013-04-11 02:41:37 and read 13182 times.

Along with OSL, HEL will remain. I know Finland is not part of Scandinavia before you flame me  

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: Quokkas
Posted 2013-04-11 02:52:27 and read 13099 times.

I admit to surprise as I had expected that OSL might have come first. I am aware that OSL handles more passengers overall than ARN but how do they compare in terms of International passengers heading to the Middle East and beyond? I note that both are served by QR and TG.

I notice also that the service to ARN is being offered with First, Business and Economy. Is ARN more likely to be able to sustain a First cabin, compared to CPH where only Business and Economy are usually offered?

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: ojas
Posted 2013-04-11 03:00:48 and read 13041 times.

I suppose the partnership with QF and connectivity to Australia is instrumental in launching ARN with a B77W directly.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: finnishway
Posted 2013-04-11 03:03:54 and read 13025 times.

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 4):
Along with OSL, HEL will remain.

Qatar planned to start a route to HEL, but they didn't. I wonder is it because of the Finnair's Asia strategy. Emirates and Qatar can probably compete better against SAS than they would against Finnair.

[Edited 2013-04-11 03:05:08]

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: behramjee
Posted 2013-04-11 03:05:54 and read 13019 times.

Very good...so the return flight is meant to connect with the 0200-0330 departure hub wave bank to ISC and Asia Pacifc.

The market sizes for the top 20 markets that EK would be targeting out of ARN with this new service are as follows:

2012 market sizes...

BKK 252,000
PEK 75,000
DXB 58,000
IKA 48,000
HKT 42,000
DEL 36,000
HKG 34,000
PVG 30,000
SIN 24,000
EBL and BGW combined 22,000
ADD 20,000
MNL 19,000
SYD 18,000
JNB 16,000
BOM 14,000
DAC 14,000
CMB 13,000
KUL 12,000
NBO 12,000
MEL 10,000

Keep in mind that in Sweden a total 200,000 Iranians and Iraqis combine reside there !

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: Quokkas
Posted 2013-04-11 03:19:31 and read 12902 times.

Quoting ojas (Reply 6):
I suppose the partnership with QF and connectivity to Australia is instrumental

IIRC QF still code-share with AY to HEL as both are part of the OW alliance. This launch will certainly give travellers from Australia another option. Figures released by Melbourne Airport indicated an increase in holders of Swedish passports of 27.6 % in December 2012 compared to December 2011 but I doubt those numbers by themselves would have influenced the decision.

Source: http://melbourneairport.com.au/News-...otal-passenger-growth-in-2012.html

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: TheAviator380
Posted 2013-04-11 03:25:17 and read 12856 times.

Well done EK. Can anyone tell me why not start service from summer? instead of waiting till Sept.

I am glad DXB bound flight reaching 10.25pm, unlike most other flight from Europe reaches DXB around 12pm-1am and causes mad congestion at DXB    !

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: g2scandinavia
Posted 2013-04-11 03:32:23 and read 12791 times.

Quoting TheAviator380 (Reply 10):
Well done EK. Can anyone tell me why not start service from summer? instead of waiting till Sept.

Good question as slots where acquired in November and the planned launch was set to June.
I have heard that it was due to shortage of available aircraft's with a two class configuration.
Now they are launching the service with first class. That could only be temporary and might be a rush decision to secure the launch before the winter 13/14 season.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: Quokkas
Posted 2013-04-11 03:33:04 and read 12789 times.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 8):
The market sizes for the top 20 markets that EK would be targeting

Thanks for those figures.

When one remembers that EK launched HKT as its second destination in Thailand after BKK, the numbers show that EK could become a challenge for TG.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: someone83
Posted 2013-04-11 04:09:47 and read 12591 times.

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 11):
I have heard that it was due to shortage of available aircraft's with a two class configuration.
Now they are launching the service with first class. That could only be temporary and might be a rush decision to secure the launch before the winter 13/14 season.

Didn't they use a 3-class aircraft for an interim period at CPH, just after they switched from a -200 to -300, before they "found" some suitable 2-class capacity?

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: TheAviator380
Posted 2013-04-11 04:50:31 and read 12368 times.

Quoting someone83 (Reply 13):

You mean to say 777-200 to 777-300ER? If that's the case then yes, as EK do not have A330-300 they only have A330-200.

I am little surprised actually, I was expecting EK to start service with A330-200 and then upgrade to 77W. That's what they done one some route before in recent past.

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 11):

Cheers mate.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: flylonghaul
Posted 2013-04-11 06:18:52 and read 12048 times.

And not a moment too soon.
Trying to book a through ticket with QF / BA to ARN these days seems next to impossible without doing the stupid LHR to LCY transfer! IT seems ridiculous that they kept the code share on the LCY route but not from LHR!

1 stop to Stockholm and still earn points and status credits. Yes please  

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: Tristarsteve
Posted 2013-04-11 06:43:24 and read 11922 times.

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 11):
That could only be temporary and might be a rush decision to secure the launch before the winter 13/14 season.

I wonder if the rush is to get the route started before Qatar announces double daily from November?

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: Lufthansa
Posted 2013-04-11 06:56:03 and read 11830 times.

Us australians with some swedish blood.... well you guys have kind of forgotten we exist. But this is welcome for us. blood is thicker than water.... and we'd like to still be 'with it' and know whats happening in ARN and CPH.... particuarly ARN as a trend setter. everybody can hate EK. but once again... it puts me that little bit closer to the mother country. And I suspect there is a lot in the mother country that wouldnt mind being a bit closer to us. well done EK. once again!

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: LJ
Posted 2013-04-11 08:01:24 and read 11567 times.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 12):
When one remembers that EK launched HKT as its second destination in Thailand after BKK, the numbers show that EK could become a challenge for TG.

And Norwegian (they won't be pleased as well).

Quoting TheAviator380 (Reply 14):
I am little surprised actually, I was expecting EK to start service with A330-200 and then upgrade to 77W. That's what they done one some route before in recent past.

They did the same with AMS (and that went A380 after a year).

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-04-11 09:14:25 and read 10892 times.

This is a very past due launch. I suspect if EK had more aircraft (read A380s not having wings fixed) this would have been launched earlier. But exciting none the less (although for me as an enthusiast. Very unlikely I'll actually fly the route.)

Quoting LJ (Reply 18):
They did the same with AMS (and that went A380 after a year).

Does EK have rights for double daily at AMS?

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 16):
I wonder if the rush is to get the route started before Qatar announces double daily from November?

QR, once the new airport opens and the 787s are flying, will be a very interesting competitor to EK...


Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: g2scandinavia
Posted 2013-04-11 09:23:04 and read 10807 times.

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 16):

Could be. I know Qatar acquired slots for 10 weekly from OSL S13, but the plans where suspended due to aircraft shortage created by the 787 grounding. I know they did not apply for more flights from ARN and CPH s13, but It could be that they are planning increase here as well. However I doubt they would dubble as Qatar usually moves forward increased frequency from daily to 10-11 weekly.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: Navigator
Posted 2013-04-11 10:25:12 and read 10245 times.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 5):
I admit to surprise as I had expected that OSL might have come first. I am aware that OSL handles more passengers overall than ARN but how do they compare in terms of International passengers heading to the Middle East and beyond? I note that both are served by QR and TG.

Stockholm is a larger market in those areas than OSL still. But with norwegian wealth OSL is catching up fast. Both cities are underserved and next stop for Emirates in Scandinavia is OSL, and probably pretty soon.

Welcome Emirates. This may very well turn out to be one of the most successful routes to Stockholm in a while.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: CityAirline
Posted 2013-04-11 11:40:11 and read 9658 times.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 8):
The market sizes for the top 20 markets that EK would be targeting out of ARN with this new service are as follows:

2012 market sizes...

Do EK really target people flying Scandinavia-Iran/Iraq? That's a huge detour! But I guess if the fares are good...

Would you please be so kind and post the same for GOT if you have them available?

Quoting behramjee (Reply 8):
Keep in mind that in Sweden a total 200,000 Iranians and Iraqis combine reside there !

One should also keep in mind that a huge chunk of those live in the Gothenburg area, everyone does not live in Stockholm.
IR used to fly the 747 once a week GOT-IKA during summer.
An interesting side note is that TK have been very succesful in GOT with their double daily. I've been on four flights this year and the majority are connecting to/from the Middle East, Ethiopia and Thailand. Markets which together could support a daily flight from atleast one of the MEB3.

/Alex

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: behramjee
Posted 2013-04-11 11:49:23 and read 9570 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 19):
Does EK have rights for double daily at AMS?

They should as KLM used to fly double daily A332s into DXB in IATA Summer 2011 season so I dont see any issue with that.

Schedule was:

KL427 AMS1430 – 2310DXB
KL428 DXB0045 – 0600AMS

KL429 AMS2140 – 0615+1DXB
KL430 DXB0755 – 1300AMS

But yes I wont be surprised if EK makes AMS a double daily service in S14 with the B77W being used for the second flight. If so I bet it will be departing DXB during the 1500-1600 hub wave bank and arriving back the next morning between 0630-0730. Though one would definitely prefer a 0230 dep from DXB, wont obtaining slots at 745-815am arriving into AMS and departing 3 hours later be an issue or has the congestion eased out at AMS during this morning timeframe?

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: SRQKEF
Posted 2013-04-11 12:45:40 and read 9149 times.

Nice to see EK expanding up north. Now just please come to KEF!   

In all seriousness, I also would've expected them to start this service with a A332. Guess that the ARN market is larger than I thought.

Regards
Sveinn  

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: Navigator
Posted 2013-04-11 12:58:17 and read 9393 times.

Quoting SRQKEF (Reply 24):
In all seriousness, I also would've expected them to start this service with a A332. Guess that the ARN market is larger than I thought.

It is the largest market in Scandinavia ahead of both Copenhagen and Oslo. It is just that is painfully underserved. Oslo has Norwegian and Copenhagen is overserved by SAS. Stockholm has no such local airline serving its needs of longhaul. But nevermind   Welcome Emirates, this will be one of your most successful routes... It will tap both from HEL and CPH.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-04-11 14:39:22 and read 8726 times.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 23):
They should as KLM used to fly double daily A332s into DXB in IATA Summer 2011 season so I dont see any issue with that.

They should, but does the EK cargo flight take up one of their rights?

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: sk945
Posted 2013-04-11 14:45:58 and read 8910 times.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 8):

Is charter flights included in this figuers? I don't think so. I think Emirates can take alot of the charter pax for HKT and other parts of South East Asia. As Qatar have been doing.

During the winter season there are almost 10 charter flights a week to HKT and 2 or 3 to Krabi from ARN. Along with the 9 flights a week with Thai to BKK and HKT.

Many, as my self, just take a seat on a charter flight to get to the destination and during peek season the seat on a charter flight almost have the same price as a normal ticket. So, it's wise for Emirates to start the service during the winter season, when most Swedes travells to Asia.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: B777LRF
Posted 2013-04-11 15:13:18 and read 8773 times.

Quoting Navigator (Reply 25):
It will tap both from HEL and CPH.

So you're suggesting peeps in CPH would rather fly EK from ARN than EK from CPH, including the 700 km drive up to Stockholm? Or a bit of faffing about trying to arrange self-connection with NAX or SK? Good luck with that!

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: upwardfacing
Posted 2013-04-11 16:33:46 and read 8366 times.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 8):
Very good...so the return flight is meant to connect with the 0200-0330 departure hub wave bank to ISC and Asia Pacifc.

Are regional and ISC connections actually good in both directions?

Many of the EK early morning regional (e.g. IKA) and ISC departures reach DXB too late for connecting to the new ARN flight (along with others such as DUB, GIG-EZE, sometimes BCN, NCL, GLA, MAD).

As the EK prime westbound morning departure bank gets more crowded, new flights seem to move earlier and earlier, and the only way to connect to them is to arrive the night before. In many cases there are long waits when traveling eastbound as well.

The passenger volumes to these destinations are likely small compared with Asia-Pacific, but there are so many of them that they may be collectively meaningful.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: CXfirst
Posted 2013-04-11 17:38:11 and read 8158 times.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 23):
They should as KLM used to fly double daily A332s into DXB in IATA Summer 2011 season so I dont see any issue with that.

AFAIK, one of those frequencies is used by the dedicated EK freighter. That was also the reason for why pax service started so late, at first they only had one frequency, and that was used by the freighter as well.

Anyway, about time EK made it to ARN, hopefully OSL comes before S14

-CXfirst

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: MillwallSean
Posted 2013-04-11 22:07:08 and read 6372 times.

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 28):
So you're suggesting peeps in CPH would rather fly EK from ARN than EK from CPH, including the 700 km drive up to Stockholm? Or a bit of faffing about trying to arrange self-connection with NAX or SK? Good luck with that!

Or he might be suggesting that those swedes which today take a 300km train ride ie 1-2 hours on the train will prefer to do so in Sweden rather than having to cross the bridge over to Denmark...
Id say thats more than plausible...

And this is way overdue since my companys HQ is in Gothenburg I sure hope EK will do well and set its eyes on GOT. We shall see.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: behramjee
Posted 2013-04-11 22:45:15 and read 6228 times.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 30):
AFAIK, one of those frequencies is used by the dedicated EK freighter. That was also the reason for why pax service started so late, at first they only had one frequency, and that was used by the freighter as well.

KLM in S11 operated double daily A332s + a daily B744F into SHJ so no issues here.

EK in the past made some strange decisions for Europe...remember GVA was supposed to be launched in Summer 2004 and then suddenly it was decided against it and replaced with LOS (which in hindsight turned out to be a wise decision).

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: CXfirst
Posted 2013-04-12 00:12:38 and read 5873 times.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 32):
KLM in S11 operated double daily A332s + a daily B744F into SHJ so no issues here.

EK in the past made some strange decisions for Europe...remember GVA was supposed to be launched in Summer 2004 and then suddenly it was decided against it and replaced with LOS (which in hindsight turned out to be a wise decision).

So the agreement is 3 daily for Dutch carriers to UAE, and 3 daily for UAE carriers to the Netherlands?

If that is the case, all those frequencies are taken, EK daily, EK freight daily and EY daily.

-CXfirst

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: g2scandinavia
Posted 2013-04-12 00:46:41 and read 5675 times.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 33):
So the agreement is 3 daily for Dutch carriers to UAE, and 3 daily for UAE carriers to the Netherlands?

If that is the case, all those frequencies are taken, EK daily, EK freight daily and EY daily.

-CXfirst

Freight is usually separated from pax operations in bilateral's.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: nickofatlanta
Posted 2013-04-12 00:51:58 and read 5653 times.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 33):

But KL flies into AUH too.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: robbie86
Posted 2013-04-12 02:10:03 and read 5349 times.

Finally! I'm so glad too see this news!

Now the question is, who will see EK A380 first? CPH or ARN?  

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: Navigator
Posted 2013-04-12 04:29:02 and read 5123 times.

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 28):
So you're suggesting peeps in CPH would rather fly EK from ARN than EK from CPH, including the 700 km drive up to Stockholm? Or a bit of faffing about trying to arrange self-connection with NAX or SK? Good luck with that!

No no no... You are not enough informed about the scandinavian traffic patterns. I dont think you know that most intercontinental traffic from both OSL and ARN is channeled through CPH? Well that is the case, so with this route the CPH hub potentially lose ground.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: behramjee
Posted 2013-04-13 22:50:37 and read 4295 times.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 8):
2012 market sizes...

BKK 252,000
PEK 75,000
DXB 58,000
IKA 48,000
HKT 42,000
DEL 36,000
HKG 34,000
PVG 30,000
SIN 24,000
EBL and BGW combined 22,000
ADD 20,000
MNL 19,000
SYD 18,000
JNB 16,000
BOM 14,000
DAC 14,000
CMB 13,000
KUL 12,000
NBO 12,000
MEL 10,000

I forgot to add one major market segment as well i.e. ARN-NRT which had 27,000 pax fly in 2012 and also the figure for Sweden-Iraq of 22,000 does not include "charter flights" of which I believe there is a once or twice weekly charter service operated by some airline to EBL. Hence, actual market size demand with the charter numbers included would be much larger !

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: something
Posted 2013-04-14 01:38:18 and read 4127 times.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 38):
also the figure for Sweden-Iraq of 22,000 does not include "charter flights" of which I believe there is a once or twice weekly charter service operated by some airline to EBL
http://www.flygermania.de/de/flugziele-zeiten/streckennetz/

Sweden - UAE - Iran/Iraq is almost twice as long as non-stop flights.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 38):
one major market segment as well i.e. ARN-NRT which had 27,000 pax fly in 2012

Considering how well-connected HEL is to Japan, and that CPH has a dedicated SK NRT flight, and how huge of a detour Sweden - UAE - Northern Asia (56% for ARN-DXB-NRT) is, I don't think that those are markets worth going after for EK. Obviously you can stimulate demand with low fares, but those of AY are already so low that EK would probably not be able to earn any money on that.

EK will be big to Oceania, India, some Arab countries, East Africa, South East Asia and the Indian ocean (Mauritius, Seychelles, Maledives etc.). Of course you'll have people flying them to GRU, NRT, CPT etc. but for that to make sense, the fare would have to be so low that the only thing for EK to gain from that is market-share/-exposure.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2013-04-14 07:27:47 and read 3808 times.

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
Effective 04 September 2013 Emirates will start daily flights between DXB and ARN using a B777-300ER service

And EK keep adding markets. With the market size described by behramjee, it will be easy to fill the 77W !

Quoting behramjee (Reply 8):

The market sizes for the top 20 markets that EK would be targeting out of ARN with this new service are as follows:

2012 market sizes...

BKK 252,000

Thanks for sharing. I'm surprised with the size of ARN-BKK !!!! It is mostly leisure or business oriented ?

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: behramjee
Posted 2013-04-14 09:31:04 and read 3658 times.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 40):
Thanks for sharing. I'm surprised with the size of ARN-BKK !!!! It is mostly leisure or business oriented ?

dont be surprised as between OCT and APR, the Europeans FLOCK like sheep to Thailand due to the warmer climate and cheaper cost of holidaying overall.

In 2012, market sizes of EU-BKK were as follows:

CPH-BKK 260,000
OSL-BKK 135,000
HEL-BKK 80,000
GOT-BKK 55,000

AMS-BKK 260,000
DUS-BKK 95,000
MUC-BKK 195,000
TXL-BKK 60,000
HAM-BKK 65,000
FRA-BKK 360,000

BRU-BKK 155,000
CDG-BKK 450,000
ZRH-BKK 190,000
DME-BKK 355,000 (includes SVO-BKK)
MXP-BKK 125,000
FCO-BKK 105,000
VIE-BKK 105,000
MAD-BKK 80,000

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2013-04-14 09:45:26 and read 3625 times.

According to the UK's CAA, 636,840 flew LHR-BKK-LHR in 2012. But given that figure doesn't include LGW (and obviously to a far lesser degree LCY, but that does have connections in FRA and AMS) and that that figure probably does not include sixth freedom operators, what was LON-BKK-LON in total?

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: helyes
Posted 2013-04-14 11:30:05 and read 3489 times.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 41):
In 2012, market sizes of EU-BKK were as follows:

Sorry a bit confused, what do those market size numbers mean here?

Quoting behramjee (Reply 41):
HEL-BKK 80,000

In 2012 the passenger number in the scheduled service HEL-BKK was 264,000 totally. The charters from Finland to Thailand carried 131,000 passengers.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: B747forever
Posted 2013-04-14 19:19:58 and read 3196 times.

It is great that ARN will finally get EK service. Will be interesting to see how QR will do with EK in town. Hopefully both will be able to fly profitably to ARN.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: behramjee
Posted 2013-04-15 06:59:35 and read 2907 times.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 42):
According to the UK's CAA, 636,840 flew LHR-BKK-LHR in 2012. But given that figure doesn't include LGW (and obviously to a far lesser degree LCY, but that does have connections in FRA and AMS) and that that figure probably does not include sixth freedom operators, what was LON-BKK-LON in
total?

LON-BKK-LON in total in 2012 was 670,000

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 40):
And EK keep adding markets. With the market size described by behramjee, it will be easy to fill the 77W !

yes also because of lack of many long haul non stops to Asia so competition is minimal. EK and QR combined now will really dent the Asia-Pacific market share of Star Alliance to/from ARN !

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: CityAirline
Posted 2013-04-15 10:01:53 and read 2758 times.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 41):
TXL-BKK 60,000
HAM-BKK 65,000
FRA-BKK 360,000

These are O/D numbers right?
Hamburg, Berlin and Frankfurt all have about the same population in their regions. Then why is the BKK-FRA O/D market six times larger than the BKK-HAM/TXL ones? Do germans choose to drive/take the train to FRA and MUC just because of nonstop flights? This is the only explanation I can think of, as I find it hard to believe that Frankfurts business is the cause of these large numbers...

Sorry, a bit off topic, but I had to ask.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: something
Posted 2013-04-15 10:20:14 and read 2722 times.

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 46):
These are O/D numbers right?

I doubt it. Which should answer your question.

Topic: RE: Emirates Announces Stockholm From 04SEP13
Username: behramjee
Posted 2013-04-15 21:25:34 and read 2460 times.

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 46):
These are O/D numbers right?

yes they are O&D purely


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