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Topic: OAG Changes 4/19/2013: AA/AS/B6/DL/UA
Username: enilria
Posted 2013-04-16 06:30:30 and read 7099 times.

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

NOTE: It appears that something changed recently and now we are seeing flights that are not available for sale such as scheduled charters. It does not appear there is any way to detect them as of now. They will now appear when they change.

7I MIA-PUJ JUN 0>0.2 JUL 0>0.1

9K ACK-HYA MAY 17>18 JUN 18>19 JUL 17>18 AUG 17>18 SEP 16>17 OCT 16>17 NOV 16>17 DEC 16>17

AA JFK-CCS JUN 0.9>0.7 JUL 1.0>0.7 AUG 0.9>0.7
*AA LAX-BDL SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
*AA LAX-CMH SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
*AA LAX-IND SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
AA LAX-OKC SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2 NOV 3>2 DEC 3>2
*AA LAX-PIT SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
*AA LAX-XNA SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
AA ORD-PIT AUG 6>7

AC ORD-YUL AUG 4>5

*AM BRO-MTY MAY 0.3>0.1 JUN 0.3>0.0 JUL 0.3>0.0 AUG 0.3>0 SEP 0.3>0 OCT 0.3>0 NOV 0.3>0 DEC 0.3>0
AM JFK-MEX JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4 SEP 4>3

AR MIA-EZE MAY 1.9>2 JUN 1.9>2

AS PDX-ANC OCT 2>3 NOV 2>3 DEC 2>3
*AS PDX-BLI SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
AS PDX-EUG OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4
*AS PDX-SBA SEP 0>1.0
AS SEA-ANC JUN 20>19 JUL 20>19 AUG 20>19 OCT 13>12 NOV 13>12 DEC 12>11
AS SEA-BLI SEP 6>5 OCT 6>5 NOV 6>5 DEC 6>5

See TA
*AV MCO-SAL MAY 0>0.6 JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>0.6 AUG 0>0.5 SEP 0>0.6 OCT 0>0.6 NOV 0>0.6 DEC 0>0.6

I suspect this is just a code share filing mistake
AX PIT-STL MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0

That was short-lived. Story?
*B6 HPN-NAS JUL 0.7>0.2 AUG 0.7>0 SEP 0.7>0 OCT 0.6>0 NOV 0.6>0 DEC 0.6>0

BA EWR-ORY JUN 1.9>1.7

DL ATL-NAS OCT 3>2.0
DL ATL-PUJ AUG 1.5>1.6
DL BOI-MSP JUL 4>3
DL DTW-EWR JUL 6>7
DL DTW-IAD JUL 4>5
DL DTW-RDU JUN 6>5 JUL 6>5
DL FLL-TLH AUG 0.5>0.3
DL GRB-MSP JUL 6>5
DL JFK-BUF JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
DL LAX-GDL AUG 0.5>0.8

*EK JFK-MXP OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0

*FI EWR-KEF NOV 0>0.6 DEC 0>0.5
FI JFK-KEF NOV 1.2>1.0

*HA HNL-MNL AUG 0.5>0 SEP 0.6>0 OCT 0.5>0 NOV 0.6>0 DEC 0.6>0

HU ORD-PEK SEP 0.5>0.3 OCT 0.6>0.3 NOV 0.6>0.3 DEC 0.6>0.3

K3 CGA-KLW JUN 3>1.5 JUL 3>1.5 AUG 3>1.6 SEP 3>1.5 OCT 3>1.5 NOV 3>1.5 DEC 3>1.5
K3 EDA-KTN AUG 0.6>0.4 NOV 0.6>0.4
K3 HYG-KTN MAY 0.5>0.3
K3 KCC-NKI MAY 0.2>0.1
K3 KPB-PPV AUG 0.6>0.4 NOV 0.6>0.4

LA MIA-LIM JUL 2>3

M5 BFI-SEA MAY 5>7 JUN 6>8 JUL 6>8 AUG 6>8 SEP 6>8 OCT 5>7 NOV 5>6
M5 LKE-SEA MAY 4>9 JUN 4>10 JUL 5>11 AUG 6>11 SEP 4>8 OCT 3>6 NOV 2>4 DEC 1.9>4

OZ HNL-NRT DEC 0>1.0

This was a scheduled charter I assume. I wonder what it was...
SY DBQ-MSP MAY 0.1>0.0

See AV
*TA MCO-SAL MAY 0.6>0 JUN 0.6>0 JUL 0.6>0 AUG 0.5>0 SEP 0.6>0 OCT 0.6>0 NOV 0.6>0 DEC 0.6>0

UA CLE-MHT OCT 3>4
Quite a few DEN cuts for June. I wonder how they are doing with their contract with the city to get the $22m rent abatement.
UA DEN-AMA JUN 3>1.6
UA DEN-BNA JUN 1.9>1.1
UA DEN-CVG JUN 1.7>1.0 AUG 1.5>1.1
UA DEN-DRO JUN 6>5
UA DEN-HSV JUN 1.9>1.0
UA DEN-ICT JUN 6>5
UA DEN-LBB JUN 3>1.8
UA DEN-MCI JUN 7>6
UA DEN-MEM JUN 1.0>0.7
UA EWR-DSM JUN 1.6>1.0
UA EWR-GRR JUN 3>1.7
UA EWR-MCI JUN 5>4
UA EWR-MDT SEP 1.2>2
UA EWR-MSP JUN 6>5
UA EWR-PWM JUN 5>4
UA EWR-RSW DEC 3>4
UA EWR-SDF SEP 1.9>3
UA EWR-YOW SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3
UA IAD-ALB SEP 4>3
UA IAD-AUS SEP 2>3 OCT 2>3 NOV 2>3 DEC 2>3
UA IAD-BUF SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4
UA IAD-CLE SEP 5>6 OCT 5>6
UA IAD-PVD SEP 2>3 OCT 2>3
UA IAD-PWM SEP 2>3 OCT 2>3
UA IAD-ROA SEP 2>3 OCT 2>3 NOV 2>3 DEC 2>3
UA IAH-ATL JUN 9>8
UA IAH-CMH JUN 5>4
UA IAH-HSV SEP 4>3
UA IAH-LIT SEP 6>5
UA IAH-MCO SEP 6>5
UA IAH-MTY JUN 9>7
UA LAX-ABQ SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2 NOV 3>1.8 DEC 3>1.8
UA LAX-EWR OCT 13>12 NOV 13>12
UA LAX-IAD SEP 8>9
UA LAX-PHX SEP 4>3
UA LAX-SEA SEP 2>3 OCT 2>3
UA ORD-ABE SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3
*UA ORD-ANC SEP 0.3>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
UA ORD-ASE SEP 0>0.8
UA ORD-BTV SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
UA ORD-CMH SEP 7>8 OCT 7>8
UA ORD-DAY SEP 6>7 OCT 6>7
UA ORD-DSM SEP 6>7 OCT 6>7
UA ORD-LAN SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3
UA ORD-LAS SEP 6>5
UA ORD-LAX SEP 13>12
UA ORD-MCI SEP 8>9 OCT 8>9
UA ORD-MHT SEP 3>2 OCT 3>1.9 NOV 3>1.8 DEC 3>1.9
UA ORD-OKC SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4
UA ORD-PDX SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
UA ORD-PIT SEP 6>7 OCT 6>7
UA ORD-RAP SEP 1.0>3 OCT 1.0>2
UA ORD-SAN SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3
UA ORD-SAT SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4
UA ORD-TPA SEP 3>1.8
UA ORD-YYC SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
UA SFO-ABQ SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2
UA SFO-ACV OCT 8>7 NOV 8>7 DEC 8>7
UA SFO-BOS SEP 6>7 OCT 6>7 NOV 6>7 DEC 6>7
UA SFO-EWR SEP 13>15 OCT 13>15 NOV 13>15 DEC 13>14
UA SFO-JFK SEP 7>8 OCT 7>8 NOV 7>8 DEC 7>8
UA SFO-MCI SEP 2>3 OCT 2>3
UA SFO-MCO SEP 1.9>1.2
UA SFO-PSP SEP 5>4
UA SFO-SNA SEP 7>8 OCT 7>8 NOV 7>8 DEC 7>8
UA SFO-YVR SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5

What is this?
UN JFK-VKO NOV 0>0.4 DEC 0>0.4
UN MIA-VKO NOV 0>0.2 DEC 0>0.1

UP FLL-NAS MAY 4>3
UP MIA-NAS MAY 4>3 JUN 5>4

*UX JFK-MAD SEP 0.3>0.6 OCT 0>0.5 NOV 0>0.6 DEC 0>0.6

VB IAH-MTY MAY 0.6>0.5 JUN 0.6>0.4
VB SAT-MTY MAY 0.3>0.5

VR BOS-RAI AUG 0.5>0.4

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/19/2013: AA/AS/B6/DL/UA
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2013-04-16 06:38:05 and read 7027 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AS PDX-ANC OCT 2>3 NOV 2>3 DEC 2>3
*AS PDX-BLI SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
AS PDX-EUG OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4
*AS PDX-SBA SEP 0>1.0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA ORD-PDX SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5

More welcome news for PDX!   

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/19/2013: AA/AS/B6/DL/UA
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2013-04-16 06:39:59 and read 7030 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AX PIT-STL MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0

AX does operate this for US. Don't regionals need a "token" flight to keep their code alive?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/19/2013: AA/AS/B6/DL/UA
Username: enilria
Posted 2013-04-16 07:15:13 and read 6819 times.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
More welcome news for PDX!

It seems AS is being friendlier. Perhaps related to the DL incursions at SEA. PDX may look better by comparison now. Is the BLI a real flight you think? or just effectively a reposition they are selling tickets on? 1 RT isn't a legit schedule.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
AX does operate this for US. Don't regionals need a "token" flight to keep their code alive?

I think you are right. For some reason those did not appear except as errors until this most recent database change they did. I think now we are going to see those in the report. I hesitate to just delete them because you never know if they are going to start operating on their own brand.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/19/2013: AA/AS/B6/DL/UA
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2013-04-16 07:26:54 and read 6720 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 3):
Is the BLI a real flight you think? or just effectively a reposition they are selling tickets on? 1 RT isn't a legit schedule.

It's an evening departure to BLI, returning to PDX in the early morning at 7am. It could be testing the waters to see how successful hooking up to the other flights at PDX might be. Who knows.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/19/2013: AA/AS/B6/DL/UA
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2013-04-16 07:35:13 and read 6655 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 3):
I hesitate to just delete them because you never know if they are going to start operating on their own brand.

For what it's worth, this is an at risk operation, as are all of the AX PIT routes.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/19/2013: AA/AS/B6/DL/UA
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-04-16 08:11:49 and read 6448 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
OZ HNL-NRT DEC 0>1.0

This is curious.... are they trying to compete with KE?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UN JFK-VKO NOV 0>0.4 DEC 0>0.4
UN MIA-VKO NOV 0>0.2 DEC 0>0.1

Isn't this Transaero?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transaero_Airlines

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/19/2013: AA/AS/B6/DL/UA
Username: MasseyBrown
Posted 2013-04-16 08:14:39 and read 6426 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
That was short-lived. Story?
*B6 HPN-NAS JUL 0.7>0.2 AUG 0.7>0 SEP 0.7>0 OCT 0.6>0 NOV 0.6>0 DEC 0.6>0

Seasonal reduction?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/19/2013: AA/AS/B6/DL/UA
Username: enilria
Posted 2013-04-16 08:21:19 and read 6381 times.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 4):
It's an evening departure to BLI, returning to PDX in the early morning at 7am. It could be testing the waters to see how successful hooking up to the other flights at PDX might be. Who knows.

Smells like a repo for Hawaii to me.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):
Isn't this Transaero?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transae...lines

Is that truly new or just a filing oddity?

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 7):
Seasonal reduction?

Yes, but just less than 75 days out it was clearly an unplanned reduction.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/19/2013: AA/AS/B6/DL/UA
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-04-16 08:31:00 and read 6326 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 8):
Is that truly new or just a filing oddity?

Haven't they already been flying there already?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transaero_destinations

Maybe a filing oddity....

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/19/2013: AA/AS/B6/DL/UA
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2013-04-16 08:44:26 and read 6260 times.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 4):
Quoting enilria (Reply 3):
Is the BLI a real flight you think? or just effectively a reposition they are selling tickets on? 1 RT isn't a legit schedule.

It's an evening departure to BLI, returning to PDX in the early morning at 7am. It could be testing the waters to see how successful hooking up to the other flights at PDX might be. Who knows.
Quoting enilria (Reply 8):
Smells like a repo for Hawaii to me.

It's probably a QX Q400 so not a repo to Hawaii. That would be a long swim back to land, although the free beer would be nice.

Since when isn't 1 RT a legit schedule? AS/QX has had summer BLI-PDX non-stops several times in the past few years, mainly to connect traffic through PDX (e.g. BLI-LAX; BLI-BUR, etc). I guess I don't understand the comment. Lots of routes on AS and other carriers have only 1 RT a day.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/19/2013: AA/AS/B6/DL/UA
Username: N62NA
Posted 2013-04-16 09:02:48 and read 6152 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*FI EWR-KEF NOV 0>0.6 DEC 0>0.5

Has Icelandair ever served EWR? This is nice to see!

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/19/2013: AA/AS/B6/DL/UA
Username: ANA787
Posted 2013-04-16 09:11:58 and read 6106 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
OZ HNL-NRT DEC 0>1.0

This is curious.... are they trying to compete with KE?

And CI. And UA. And DL. And JL. And NH. And CI.

not to mention ex HND: HA, JL and NH.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/19/2013: AA/AS/B6/DL/UA
Username: realsim
Posted 2013-04-16 09:32:48 and read 5868 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA LAX-BDL SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
*AA LAX-CMH SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
*AA LAX-IND SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
*AA LAX-PIT SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
*AA LAX-XNA SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0

All of the recently announced routes are daily then. Great news!

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/19/2013: AA/AS/B6/DL/UA
Username: MasseyBrown
Posted 2013-04-16 09:32:56 and read 5868 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 8):
Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 7):
Seasonal reduction?

Yes, but just less than 75 days out it was clearly an unplanned reduction.

Fall is the lowest season for the Caribbean. Be interesting to see if it's reinstated in December.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/19/2013: AA/AS/B6/DL/UA
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-04-16 09:34:04 and read 5844 times.

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 12):
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
OZ HNL-NRT DEC 0>1.0

This is curious.... are they trying to compete with KE?

And CI. And UA. And DL. And JL. And NH. And CI.

I think you may have left out CI     

But my question...why CI?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/19/2013: AA/AS/B6/DL/UA
Username: MLI717fan
Posted 2013-04-16 09:35:36 and read 5845 times.

I don't think it's loaded yet, or I couldn't find it anyway, but DL is going to begin flying MLI-ATL with a mainline aircraft in June. It was announced on the MLI facebook page this morning. No change in frequency so it won't show up in the OAG report.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Quad-City-International-Airport-MLI/137877763760

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/19/2013: AA/AS/B6/DL/UA
Username: steeler83
Posted 2013-04-16 09:59:18 and read 5656 times.

It is exciting to see AA build up LAX, especially with them adding PIT non-stop service, and them loading the E75s into the mix for ORD-PIT. Things are getting interesting at PIT in terms of AA ops.  

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/19/2013: AA/AS/B6/DL/UA
Username: mfe777
Posted 2013-04-16 10:28:16 and read 5416 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AM BRO-MTY MAY 0.3>0.1 JUN 0.3>0.0 JUL 0.3>0.0 AUG 0.3>0 SEP 0.3>0 OCT 0.3>0 NOV 0.3>0 DEC 0.3>0

Hmmmm.... They had recently added frequency, and with the warm months approaching it should be the busiest time for this route for people traveling to South Padre Island. Maybe a glitch? Or did the new MFE-MEX route on Aeromar maybe cannibalize BRO-MTY. The Aeromar route makes it easier for people from Mexico City to access the Rio Grande Valley area, removing the stop in MTY, but now there is no commercial air link between MTY and the Valley. Could also be AeroMexico relocating to another area airport since BRO faces possible tower closure due to loss of FAA funding.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/19/2013: AA/AS/B6/DL/UA
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2013-04-16 10:34:10 and read 5368 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 10):
It's probably a QX Q400 so not a repo to Hawaii.

Correct!

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/19/2013: AA/AS/B6/DL/UA
Username: enilria
Posted 2013-04-16 10:35:21 and read 5368 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 10):
It's probably a QX Q400 so not a repo to Hawaii. That would be a long swim back to land, although the free beer would be nice.

You are right. I am wrong. It is a Q400.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 10):
Since when isn't 1 RT a legit schedule?

The general rule of thumb in airline planning is that the shorter the distance the more frequency you need for a competitive schedule. On a 6 hour route you may need one or 2 RTs to have effective time coverage, but on something as short as PDX-BLI 1 RT is not generally seen as a competitive schedule.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 17):
It is exciting to see AA build up LAX, especially with them adding PIT non-stop service, and them loading the E75s into the mix for ORD-PIT. Things are getting interesting at PIT in terms of AA ops.

It probably foreshadows the closing of PHX. Building up LAX is requisite if you close PHX as a hub. I wonder if anybody but WN will grab PHX???

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/19/2013: AA/AS/B6/DL/UA
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2013-04-16 10:57:49 and read 5273 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 20):
On a 6 hour route you may need one or 2 RTs to have effective time coverage, but on something as short as PDX-BLI 1 RT is not generally seen as a competitive schedule.

BLI is somewhat of a special case, catering to a lot of Canadians crossing the border for cheaper fares. It isn't what anyone would call a high volume business market.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/19/2013: AA/AS/B6/DL/UA
Username: dtfg
Posted 2013-04-16 11:08:18 and read 5231 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
HU ORD-PEK SEP 0.5>0.3 OCT 0.6>0.3 NOV 0.6>0.3 DEC 0.6>0.3

HU relapsed their proposed A330-200 with A346-600 on this route and reduced the frequency from 4 weekly to 2 weekly.

Hope they will get their 787s and use them on this route soon

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/19/2013: AA/AS/B6/DL/UA
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2013-04-16 11:12:58 and read 5217 times.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 21):
Quoting enilria (Reply 20):
On a 6 hour route you may need one or 2 RTs to have effective time coverage, but on something as short as PDX-BLI 1 RT is not generally seen as a competitive schedule.

BLI is somewhat of a special case, catering to a lot of Canadians crossing the border for cheaper fares. It isn't what anyone would call a high volume business market.

I'm guessing that BLI-PDX O and D traffic is minimal. I'll bet the flight is intended for connecting passengers: BLI-LAX, BLI-SFO, BLI-SAN, etc. It's just an alternative to the BLI-SEA flights that are for the same purpose. I could drive to BLI as fast as I could get to SEA and get through security.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/19/2013: AA/AS/B6/DL/UA
Username: Mah4546
Posted 2013-04-16 11:32:54 and read 5141 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 8):
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):Isn't this Transaero?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transae...lines
Is that truly new or just a filing oddity?

JFK-VKO and MIA-VKO launched two weeks ago.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/19/2013: AA/AS/B6/DL/UA
Username: steeler83
Posted 2013-04-16 15:30:01 and read 4587 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 20):
It probably foreshadows the closing of PHX. Building up LAX is requisite if you close PHX as a hub. I wonder if anybody but WN will grab PHX???

It was discussed elsewhere that if PHX is in-fact closed that most of the traffic would shift over to DFW...

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/19/2013: AA/AS/B6/DL/UA
Username: PlanesNTrains
Posted 2013-04-16 17:10:08 and read 4131 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
M5 BFI-SEA MAY 5>7 JUN 6>8 JUL 6>8 AUG 6>8 SEP 6>8 OCT 5>7 NOV 5>6
M5 LKE-SEA MAY 4>9 JUN 4>10 JUL 5>11 AUG 6>11 SEP 4>8 OCT 3>6 NOV 2>4 DEC 1.9>4

These are flights within Seattle?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA LAX-SEA SEP 2>3 OCT 2>3

Wow, 3 flights. WooHoo...  
Quoting enilria (Reply 20):
The general rule of thumb in airline planning is that the shorter the distance the more frequency you need for a competitive schedule. On a 6 hour route you may need one or 2 RTs to have effective time coverage, but on something as short as PDX-BLI 1 RT is not generally seen as a competitive schedule.

BLI-PDX-XXX vs BLI-SEA-XXX. Really nothing to see other than perhaps maximizing aircraft usage and managing yields over SEA I'd guess.

-Dave

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/19/2013: AA/AS/B6/DL/UA
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2013-04-16 19:15:39 and read 3657 times.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 26):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA LAX-SEA SEP 2>3 OCT 2>3

Wow, 3 flights. WooHoo...

All three flights are on Skywest 50-seat CRJs. Yikes.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/19/2013: AA/AS/B6/DL/UA
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2013-04-16 19:53:32 and read 3475 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-EWR JUL 6>7
DL DTW-IAD JUL 4>5
DL DTW-RDU JUN 6>5 JUL 6>5
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL GRB-MSP JUL 6>5

Additional tweaking to frequency depending on the day of the week for the summer. Peak day frequency remains unchanged.

In July, DL operates a reduced schedule into most business-heavy markets during 4th of July week, when business travel is almost non-existant. DL significantly cuts back on the 4th of July itself, operating a very light holiday schedule (e.g 3x on DTW-EWR, 2x on DTW-IAD, 3x on DTW-RDU)

DTW-EWR ranges from 3-7 flights per day, depending on the specific day, with 7 flights on most weekdays
DTW-IAD ranges from 2-5 flights per day, with 5 flights on most weekdays
DTW-RDU ranges from 3-6 flights per day, with 6 flights on most weekdays
MSP-GRB ranges from 3-6 flights per day, with 6 flights on most weekdays

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL FLL-TLH AUG 0.5>0.3

Is this one of those scheduled charters that now comes through in the data? This shows up operated 6 days/week starting on Aug 20 with an ExpressJet CRJ.

Somewhat related, but I guess I never noticed that DL put a mainflight on LGA-PIT. Currently has an A319 RON flight in addition to 5x 2-class RJs, but gets bumped up to an MD-88 in June.
(PIT-JFK also sees a 757 2x/week in order to rotate in an aircraft for the PIT-CDG flight)

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/19/2013: AA/AS/B6/DL/UA
Username: PlanesNTrains
Posted 2013-04-16 22:14:01 and read 3073 times.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 27):
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 26):Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA LAX-SEA SEP 2>3 OCT 2>3

Wow, 3 flights. WooHoo...
All three flights are on Skywest 50-seat CRJs. Yikes.

I know I'm a broken record with UA in SEA, but how the mighty have fallen.

-Dave

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/19/2013: AA/AS/B6/DL/UA
Username: ASMD11
Posted 2013-04-17 03:12:37 and read 2691 times.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 26):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
M5 BFI-SEA MAY 5>7 JUN 6>8 JUL 6>8 AUG 6>8 SEP 6>8 OCT 5>7 NOV 5>6
M5 LKE-SEA MAY 4>9 JUN 4>10 JUL 5>11 AUG 6>11 SEP 4>8 OCT 3>6 NOV 2>4 DEC 1.9>4

These are flights within Seattle?

I believe these are van service from SEA to BFI and LKE.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/19/2013: AA/AS/B6/DL/UA
Username: RWA380
Posted 2013-04-17 03:32:28 and read 2682 times.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 4):
It could be testing the waters to see how successful hooking up to the other flights at PDX might be

A lot of loyal AS flyers and savvy Northwest travelers know that PDX is a much more civilized place to connect between QX/AS flights than SEA, so when one has a choice PDX is preferred, IMO.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):
This is curious.... are they trying to compete with KE?

I took OZ on this route in 1994 flying 763's in J, OZ did discontinue the route, but now serve HNL once again. OZ does compete head to head with KE and HA on this route.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 21):
BLI is somewhat of a special case, catering to a lot of Canadians crossing the border for cheaper fares. It isn't what anyone would call a high volume business market

For example the OGG-PDX flight arrives PDX at 7:30pm and one is able to make connections though out the Northwest.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/19/2013: AA/AS/B6/DL/UA
Username: enilria
Posted 2013-04-17 06:13:25 and read 2383 times.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 21):
Quoting enilria (Reply 20):
On a 6 hour route you may need one or 2 RTs to have effective time coverage, but on something as short as PDX-BLI 1 RT is not generally seen as a competitive schedule.

BLI is somewhat of a special case, catering to a lot of Canadians crossing the border for cheaper fares. It isn't what anyone would call a high volume business market.

The term "short-haul leisure market" is used so rarely it may have just now been invented.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 25):
It was discussed elsewhere that if PHX is in-fact closed that most of the traffic would shift over to DFW...

Whether it is discussed or not, I don't agree that *all* the PHX capacity goes to DFW. I'd say a least 20-25% goes to building LAX which is another reason why LAX is going to be an even bigger bloodbath.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 28):

Is this one of those scheduled charters that now comes through in the data? This shows up operated 6 days/week starting on Aug 20 with an ExpressJet CRJ.

If you don't know I certainly don't! Could be.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 29):
Wow, 3 flights. WooHoo...
All three flights are on Skywest 50-seat CRJs. Yikes.

I know I'm a broken record with UA in SEA, but how the mighty have fallen.

Agreed. That is extremely lame. In the war of LAX, is UA the loser?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/19/2013: AA/AS/B6/DL/UA
Username: iowaman
Posted 2013-04-17 11:30:40 and read 2079 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AS PDX-SBA SEP 0>1.0
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 4):

It's an evening departure to BLI, returning to PDX in the early morning at 7am. It could be testing the waters to see how successful hooking up to the other flights at PDX might be. Who knows.

Both BLI and SBA were announced for a June 4, 2012 start date as seasonal service. PDX-BZN was also announced at the same time and is also returning this summer.


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