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Topic: Passengers Removed From UA Flight Today BOS - ORD
Username: 9lflyguy
Posted 2013-04-16 08:20:02 and read 16910 times.

CNN is Reporting that two passengers not seated together speaking arabic were removed from a UA flight from BOS - ORD



Here's a link: http://wgntv.com/2013/04/16/2-passen...ved-from-boston-flight-to-chicago/




Quote:
Two airline passengers were removed from their flight from Boston to Chicago Tuesday morning.

It happened aboard United Airlines flight 636.

The plane was scheduled to leave just after 5 a.m. Tuesday.

But, its crew requested travelers and their bags go through screening again.

The flight didn’t take-off until about three hours later.


[Edited 2013-04-16 08:23:05]

Topic: RE: Passengers Removed From UA Flight Today BOS - ORD
Username: 9lflyguy
Posted 2013-04-16 08:24:53 and read 16863 times.

Same source is also now reporting that all BOS flights are grounded.

http://wgntv.com/2013/04/16/faa-grou...ston-flights-until-further-notice/

Topic: RE: Passengers Removed From UA Flight Today BOS - ORD
Username: jpetekyxmd80
Posted 2013-04-16 08:26:05 and read 16828 times.

Wow, it is finally my time for a 'my friend was there' moment.

But really, he called me right after. He said there was a weird situation where 2 guys were taken off the plane only to be let back on later. Once taxi started, another individual had some sort of medical event and frantically hit the call button. They went back to the gate and eventually left several hours late.

Topic: RE: Passengers Removed From UA Flight Today BOS - ORD
Username: 9lflyguy
Posted 2013-04-16 08:29:16 and read 16791 times.

Our country has been thrown into fear again and that means the terrorists have done their job. I wonder if the TSA thinks letting knives back on planes is still a good idea now?

Topic: RE: Passengers Removed From UA Flight Today BOS - ORD
Username: shufflemoomin
Posted 2013-04-16 08:43:23 and read 16640 times.

And just when you thought the ridiculous paranoia in the US was starting to calm down, just like that, we're right back where we started.

Topic: RE: Passengers Removed From UA Flight Today BOS - ORD
Username: oly720man
Posted 2013-04-16 09:16:20 and read 16353 times.

Quoting 9lflyguy (Reply 1):
Same source is also now reporting that all BOS flights are grounded.

Don't believe ambiguous headlines.

All BOS flights aren't grounded, there are flight restrictions over the city of Boston. The airport itself seems to be operating normally.

http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KBOS

Topic: RE: Passengers Removed From UA Flight Today BOS - ORD
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-04-16 09:32:47 and read 16135 times.

Quoting oly720man (Reply 6):
All BOS flights aren't grounded, there are flight restrictions over the city of Boston. The airport itself seems to be operating normally.

there was a momentary groundstop at BOS

Topic: RE: Passengers Removed From UA Flight Today BOS - ORD
Username: 9lflyguy
Posted 2013-04-16 09:40:00 and read 16070 times.

Quoting oly720man (Reply 6):
Don't believe ambiguous headlines.

Just reporting what I read.

Topic: RE: Passengers Removed From UA Flight Today BOS - ORD
Username: thorntot
Posted 2013-04-16 10:39:37 and read 14831 times.

The news footage provided as a live feed from BOS on CBS clearly showed a US Airways Express E-170, not United Airlines equipment.

The flight was BOS-ORD, but was it UA or US?

Perhaps the Moderators can confirm and change the thread title if needed?

Topic: RE: Passengers Removed From UA Flight Today BOS - ORD
Username: jpetekyxmd80
Posted 2013-04-16 10:41:21 and read 14768 times.

This flight in question was United 636. US Airways had a separate incident.

Topic: RE: Passengers Removed From UA Flight Today BOS - ORD
Username: SCQ83
Posted 2013-04-16 10:51:16 and read 14538 times.

Quoting thorntot (Reply 16):
The news footage provided as a live feed from BOS on CBS clearly showed a US Airways Express E-170, not United Airlines equipment.

The flight was BOS-ORD, but was it UA or US?

Perhaps the Moderators can confirm and change the thread title if needed?

I read somewhere about a PHL-BOS with US Express... maybe there were two different planes?

Topic: RE: Passengers Removed From UA Flight Today BOS - ORD
Username: 9lflyguy
Posted 2013-04-16 12:36:16 and read 12611 times.

I wonder why they were removed?

Topic: RE: Passengers Removed From UA Flight Today BOS - ORD
Username: jayunited
Posted 2013-04-16 12:54:15 and read 12280 times.

Why is this topic even being discussed? At this moment the media reporting of anything Boston related is so far from accurate it is ridiculous. Every media outlet is reporting different reasons why those passengers were removed from the plane so this thread needs to be deleted because it has nothing to do with a.netters.

Topic: RE: Passengers Removed From UA Flight Today BOS - ORD
Username: jetblueguy22
Posted 2013-04-16 15:02:52 and read 10265 times.

Guys,
I realize emotions are high because of what happened yesterday in Boston. But please refrain from making this a political thread. Several posts were also removed for being borderline racist. Please keep this about the passengers removed.
Pat

Topic: RE: Passengers Removed From UA Flight Today BOS - ORD
Username: longhauler
Posted 2013-04-16 15:14:32 and read 10051 times.

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 13):
Please keep this about the passengers removed.

Air Canada has an interesting note in our Flight Operations Manual about dealing with such a sensitive issue. It clearly states, "If your dealing with a passenger would be different if the passenger's race were different, then you ARE acting in a racist manner and racism will NOT be tolerated!"

So I also wonder, for what reasons the passengers were removed.

Topic: RE: Passengers Removed From UA Flight Today BOS - ORD
Username: bigfoot0503
Posted 2013-04-16 16:40:03 and read 8950 times.

Quoting 9lflyguy (Reply 3):
Our country has been thrown into fear again and that means the terrorists have done their job. I wonder if the TSA thinks letting knives back on planes is still a good idea now?

I suppose you could choose to live your life in fear...no one that I know chooses to have events such as what occurred in Boston modify their life into one of fear of such cowardly acts. Why not choose the response of one that we can learn from horrific events such as 911 and Boston and never forget the pain that it has brought to so many. Choose to live with vigilance, loyalty, compassion and a strong will that will state that we as a nation won't tolerate these cowardly events from occuring again.

Topic: RE: Passengers Removed From UA Flight Today BOS - ORD
Username: PlanesNTrains
Posted 2013-04-16 16:58:11 and read 8687 times.

Quoting shufflemoomin (Reply 4):
And just when you thought the ridiculous paranoia in the US was starting to calm down, just like that, we're right back where we started.

One flight incident and we're now stereotyping? Thanks... 

-Dave

Topic: RE: Passengers Removed From UA Flight Today BOS - ORD
Username: Aesma
Posted 2013-04-16 17:22:52 and read 8406 times.

Well there is no mention of "two passengers being disruptive" or "two passengers causing a ruckus" but of "two passengers speaking Arabic". Draw your own conclusions.

Topic: RE: Passengers Removed From UA Flight Today BOS - ORD
Username: kpitrrat
Posted 2013-04-16 17:27:14 and read 8358 times.

I was browsing foxnews.com and there was a short video of a US Embrarer parked on what appeared to be the taxiway with a belt loader and mobile stairs pulled up to it.

Sorry I cannot find the link at this time.

Topic: RE: Passengers Removed From UA Flight Today BOS - ORD
Username: flybyguy
Posted 2013-04-16 17:30:28 and read 8297 times.

I think everyone is on edge here, but I didn't think America would be back to the same backwards post-9-11 thinking that every brown person harbors or is a terrorist. Preliminary reports seem to indicate that the BOS marathon bombing was probably home-grown terror ala Timothy McVeigh. Unfortunately, it's a little harder to profile for that kind of scumbag because in a suit and tie he'll walk through every security checkpoint unnoticed.

Topic: RE: Passengers Removed From UA Flight Today BOS - ORD
Username: PlanesNTrains
Posted 2013-04-16 19:03:02 and read 7436 times.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 17):
Well there is no mention of "two passengers being disruptive" or "two passengers causing a ruckus" but of "two passengers speaking Arabic". Draw your own conclusions.

Why not - you have.

Quoting flybyguy (Reply 19):
Preliminary reports seem to indicate that the BOS marathon bombing was probably home-grown terror ala Timothy McVeigh.

Based on what? I haven't heard any conclusive evidence of any potential group. Where are the compelling reports that indicate it's home-grown vs otherwise?

I'm not arguing whether it is or it isn't. I'm wondering how one group is bad for looking off-shore but another is ok looking on-shore - when there has been no conslusive evidence of anything yet?

Quoting flybyguy (Reply 19):
I think everyone is on edge here, but I didn't think America would be back to the same backwards post-9-11 thinking that every brown person harbors or is a terrorist.

One flight - give it a rest. If you want to paint 300 million people with your broad brush, do it somewhere else. We don't know the details here other than hearsay.

-Dave

Topic: RE: Passengers Removed From UA Flight Today BOS - ORD
Username: VTORD
Posted 2013-04-16 20:31:45 and read 6649 times.

This might just be a case of some one on the plane either pax or crew over-reacting particularly in light of what happened in Boston. And got news coverage simply because of the events of Monday. I have been in the past asked to submit to "random" checks & questioning at time of boarding US-bound flights at two European airports on two separate US carriers. I am slightly darker skin and do not hold a US passport. Do the math.

Topic: RE: Passengers Removed From UA Flight Today BOS - ORD
Username: flybyguy
Posted 2013-04-16 22:24:41 and read 5885 times.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 20):
One flight - give it a rest. If you want to paint 300 million people with your broad brush, do it somewhere else.

Please don't start anything here. My observations speak for themselves just like the majority of posters on this thread   Let's keep this civil.

Quoting 9lflyguy (Reply 3):
I wonder if the TSA thinks letting knives back on planes is still a good idea now?

My thoughts exactly. But whether intentional or not, I think the TSA's policy implies that as long as the pilots are guarded behind the armored door any threats to the aircraft have been effectively neutralized. Never mind the passengers and crew on the other side of the door... , they'll fend for themselves.

Topic: RE: Passengers Removed From UA Flight Today BOS - ORD
Username: PlanesNTrains
Posted 2013-04-16 23:30:36 and read 5541 times.

Quoting flybyguy (Reply 22):
Please don't start anything here. My observations speak for themselves just like the majority of posters on this thread Let's keep this civil.

I didn't think I was being uncivil. You made claims that I question, and frankly I think the approach you took by adding your comments about America and it's backward thinking about brown people just doesn't help.

I've looked at the regular news sources and I simply haven't seen any conclusive evidence towards any particular person or group. What we have is one incident. To extrapolate that into some sort of mass racist hysteria would seem inappropriate.

-Dave

Topic: RE: Passengers Removed From UA Flight Today BOS - ORD
Username: airbazar
Posted 2013-04-17 06:01:56 and read 3807 times.

Quoting bigfoot0503 (Reply 15):
I suppose you could choose to live your life in fear...no one that I know chooses to have events such as what occurred in Boston modify their life into one of fear of such cowardly acts.

Amen. I was at the marathon myself and with my family and don't plan to change my life one bit. Terrorism is not about the destruction of property or inflicting physical human harm. It's about creating terror by tricking the human mind into thinking that the danger of such a low probablility event if far greater than it actually is. Unfortunately the news outlets haven't figured out that they're the biggest contributor to spreading terror in the frenzied manner in which they cover these events. They are the single biggest allies of terrorism. The best thing people can do is turn the TVs off for a couple of days and go about their normal lives.

I hope the TSA doesn't overract to this and go back to the ridiculous measures they had immediately after 9/11. I would hope that they've learned that knee jerk reactions don't accomplish much. And I do hope that we learn how to better mitigate risk for events like this. Having said that I fully understand why they would want to follow up on any leads at this point, as insignificant as they may seem to some of us.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 20):
Based on what? I haven't heard any conclusive evidence of any potential group. Where are the compelling reports that indicate it's home-grown vs otherwise?

I think it's pretty obvious. If it had been a major worldwide terrorist organization they would have claimed responsibility immediately.

Topic: RE: Passengers Removed From UA Flight Today BOS - ORD
Username: YTZ
Posted 2013-04-17 06:33:23 and read 3614 times.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 24):
I think it's pretty obvious. If it had been a major worldwide terrorist organization they would have claimed responsibility immediately.

There are times that Al-Qaeda has attacked and claimed responsbility much later. That said, foreign terrorist groups usually attack symbolic targets. As bad as they are, they don't seem to be all that interested in random attacks on civilians. They seek to attacks symbols of hard and soft American power. You can have attacks on subways, but you'll notice that those are targeted specifically because they facilitate modern life. And those are usually undertaken homegrown Jihadists. Not foreign AQ.

Add all that up and I agree, there is a likelihood that this was a homegrown group. I sincerely doubt that the Boston Marathon was high on any jihadist's target list.

Quoting VTORD (Reply 21):
Do the math.

I, too, have received the same treatment. Once, while on the way to a meeting at the Pentagon. And despite having substantial clearances (more than any TSA wand waver could ever dream of), over a decade of military service and a Nexus card. I'd almost prefer if they admit it wasn't random. Kinda obvious usually when I'm the only guy who gets the special treatment from my half-full puddle jumper.

That said, I harbour no resentment towards those who are simply trying to do their jobs and protect their country. And I'd rather it be me getting searched than little boys or grandmas.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 24):
Amen. I was at the marathon myself and with my family and don't plan to change my life one bit.

Thank god. America needs more people like you. What the world admires about America is its resolute toughness in the face of adversity. The reaction to this incident, by far, shows the best face of America. Unafraid volunteers and first-responders. Common people who openend their homes and businesses. Marathoners who ran another mile to the hospital to give blood. And medical interns who came back to work after already long shifts. Terrorists will never, ever win, if this the American response.

On the other hand, America won't last very long if the very diversity that is America's strength starts falling apart everytime there is a terror attack because ordinary Americans start suspecting their neighbours or the guy sitting beside them on the plane, simply because they are speaking another language. I hope the airline kicking these men has some very good reason other than that the other passengers got suspicious.

It's great to hear that your family and you are safe, by the way.

Topic: RE: Passengers Removed From UA Flight Today BOS - ORD
Username: VTORD
Posted 2013-04-17 17:20:51 and read 2666 times.

Quoting YTZ (Reply 25):
That said, I harbour no resentment towards those who are simply trying to do their jobs and protect their country. And I'd rather it be me getting searched than little boys or grandmas.

Neither do I. I share your sentiments.

Topic: RE: Passengers Removed From UA Flight Today BOS - ORD
Username: PlanesNTrains
Posted 2013-04-17 22:00:35 and read 2504 times.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 24):
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 20):Based on what? I haven't heard any conclusive evidence of any potential group. Where are the compelling reports that indicate it's home-grown vs otherwise?
I think it's pretty obvious. If it had been a major worldwide terrorist organization they would have claimed responsibility immediately.

1. I have no idea who did this, foreign, domestic, political, religious, etc. Based on news reports as of this moment, I've seen nothing that says anyone has a better clue.

2. There are reasons why groups claim responsibility and there are reasons why groups don't (or many not have yet). That is regardless of whether it was foreign- or domestic-bred terrorism.

3. To state that anything is "pretty obvious" at this point seems rather gratuitous, but to each there own.

4. That one flight, departing a city with an ongoing terror investigation, had an incident take place (regardless of merit) says VERY LITTLE about our nation post-9/11.

In the end, it sounds like a false alarm and that's a great thing.

-Dave

Topic: RE: Passengers Removed From UA Flight Today BOS - ORD
Username: Maverick623
Posted 2013-04-17 23:51:39 and read 2401 times.

Quoting flybyguy (Reply 19):
Unfortunately, it's a little harder to profile for that kind of scumbag because in a suit and tie he'll walk through every security checkpoint unnoticed.

Weren't about half of the 9/11 hijackers sitting in F?

Profiling someone because of their clothing is ineffective for large-scale attacks.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 24):
Unfortunately the news outlets haven't figured out that they're the biggest contributor to spreading terror in the frenzied manner in which they cover these events.

Oh, they've figured it out. It's a ratings Mecca, pun sort-of intended.   


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