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Topic: Rumor: AA Back To Barranquilla And Cartagena
Username: Mah4546
Posted 2013-04-13 11:13:48 and read 8087 times.

This is unconfirmed, but word is that AA will return to Barranquilla as well as add Cartagena in the short term future, possibly as soon as November. AA isn't slowing down on LatAm expansion, thats for sure. I'm thinking both would be good A319 routes.

Topic: RE: Rumor: AA Back To Barranquilla And Cartagena
Username: BigGSFO
Posted 2013-04-13 11:19:19 and read 8056 times.

Would they be a triangle route or separate non stops?

Topic: RE: Rumor: AA Back To Barranquilla And Cartagena
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2013-04-13 11:34:02 and read 7970 times.

What about COR? That's been rumored for years, speaking at LatAm expansion.

Topic: RE: Rumor: AA Back To Barranquilla And Cartagena
Username: Mah4546
Posted 2013-04-13 12:14:48 and read 7813 times.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 1):

Would they be a triangle route or separate non stops?


Separate. These are two good sized markets to Miami - a triangle makes no sense.

Topic: RE: Rumor: AA Back To Barranquilla And Cartagena
Username: jetsetter629
Posted 2013-04-13 12:51:43 and read 7692 times.

I'm dying to visit Cartagena so AA would be a nice choice over NK to get me there!

Topic: RE: Rumor: AA Back To Barranquilla And Cartagena
Username: N62NA
Posted 2013-04-13 13:05:30 and read 7634 times.

Quoting jetsetter629 (Reply 4):
I'm dying to visit Cartagena so AA would be a nice choice over NK to get me there!

Avianca flies an A318 right now. So... you CAN visit and take a nonstop from MIA. And fly on a plane that is somewhat rare to fly on in the USA.

Topic: RE: Rumor: AA Back To Barranquilla And Cartagena
Username: SCQ83
Posted 2013-04-13 13:07:03 and read 7631 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 2):
What about COR? That's been rumored for years, speaking at LatAm expansion.

Long haul market in a market with a lot of economic and political uncertainty (Argentina).

Colombia is in its particular economic boom, politically more stable than in any time during the last decades, and much safer than a few years ago so it is again in the radar of tourism... and those two destinations are only 2-2h30' away from MIA. I am actually surprised they are not already served by AA.

Topic: RE: Rumor: AA Back To Barranquilla And Cartagena
Username: jfk777
Posted 2013-04-13 14:09:57 and read 7455 times.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 1):
Would they be a triangle route or separate non stops?

The only flight with triangle service was a Copa 737 to CTG & BAQ from Panama, they are now flown by E190's. That was before Copa purchased what becmae "Copa Colombia".

Its very doubtful AA would do them together but to both individually, its about time. Avianca has owned BAQ for too long and charges fares per mile that had to be as expensive as the Concorde. But please make the flights afternoon southbound and morning northbound, no Miami to BAQ in the morning and BAQ to MIA after lunch, that doesn't work so well.

Topic: RE: Rumor: AA Back To Barranquilla And Cartagena
Username: RCS763AV
Posted 2013-04-14 08:26:02 and read 5072 times.

As mentioned in the colombian aviation thread, this was already said to colombian media by the director of Aerocivil, the colombian aviation authority. Both cities are needing more US service badly, specially Barranquilla, which is experiencing an economic boom that could make it the third most important city in the country in a couple of years (right now it's the 4th).

Topic: RE: Rumor: AA Back To Barranquilla And Cartagena
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2013-04-14 09:14:37 and read 4876 times.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 7):
The only flight with triangle service was a Copa 737 to CTG & BAQ from Panama, they are now flown by E190's. That was before Copa purchased what becmae "Copa Colombia".

AV flies a mix of 319/318 and CM has a mix of 738s and 190s flying. Don't forget B6 is also flying it now too.

Personally, with all due respect to my Colombia friends I was not too impressed by CTG overall. Don't think I would go back again (for pleasure)

Topic: RE: Rumor: AA Back To Barranquilla And Cartagena
Username: mia305
Posted 2013-04-14 09:16:23 and read 4871 times.

They tried both cities before and they dropped both after a couple of months.

Let's see if this time around they can make it work. I think both routes
will start as 738s then eventually be 319s.

Topic: RE: Rumor: AA Back To Barranquilla And Cartagena
Username: Mah4546
Posted 2013-04-14 09:32:27 and read 4820 times.

Quoting mia305 (Reply 10):

They tried both cities before and they dropped both after a couple of months.

Let's see if this time around they can make it work. I think both routes
will start as 738s then eventually be 319s.


AA has never flown to CTG.

BAQ lasted more than a couple of months. 1991 to 2002, when it was dropped for MDE. Restarted in 2007 and then dropped a year later during a major route shake up at AA.

Topic: RE: Rumor: AA Back To Barranquilla And Cartagena
Username: mia305
Posted 2013-04-14 09:40:57 and read 4786 times.

Thanx for correcting me about CTG. I thought AA did fly there.
Well lets see if AA can make BAQ permanent this time around.

CTG from what I heard from a friend who travels there a lot
its a beautiful city with a lot to do.

Topic: RE: Rumor: AA Back To Barranquilla And Cartagena
Username: DesertAir
Posted 2013-04-14 10:37:19 and read 4645 times.

This is great news. Cartagena is on my list of colonial cities I wish to visit. I have a lot of AAdvantage miles and would like to use them in the future.

Topic: RE: Rumor: AA Back To Barranquilla And Cartagena
Username: RCS763AV
Posted 2013-04-14 15:47:44 and read 4368 times.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 9):
Personally, with all due respect to my Colombia friends I was not too impressed by CTG overall. Don't think I would go back again (for pleasure)

Well it seems UNESCO and millions of tourists that visit the city every year disagree with you.

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 11):
Restarted in 2007 and then dropped a year later during a major route shake up at AA.

I had no idea that AA had restarted BAQ in 2007. What equipment did they fly on? 738?

The ones who did horribly in BAQ, mainly due to a terrible schedule, were NK.

Topic: RE: Rumor: AA Back To Barranquilla And Cartagena
Username: jfk777
Posted 2013-04-14 17:18:32 and read 4272 times.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 14):
I had no idea that AA had restarted BAQ in 2007. What equipment did they fly on? 738?

The 2007 flight was by 738.

Topic: RE: Rumor: AA Back To Barranquilla And Cartagena
Username: SJOtoLIR
Posted 2013-04-14 21:07:28 and read 4025 times.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 7):
The only flight with triangle service was a Copa 737 to CTG & BAQ from Panama, they are now flown by E190's

Copa used to fly the triangular segment called PTY-CTG-BAQ-PTY during the 732 era and prior to the commercial relationship with the former CO.
As far as I remember, CM split the PTY-CTG and PTY-BAQ routes many years ago.

Regards.

Topic: RE: Rumor: AA Back To Barranquilla And Cartagena
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2013-04-15 06:20:00 and read 3836 times.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 14):
that visit the city every year disagree with you.

I did say "personally"    .

What is the "return rate" of these tourists?

Topic: RE: Rumor: AA Back To Barranquilla And Cartagena
Username: a300aa
Posted 2013-04-15 17:41:27 and read 3580 times.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 17):
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 17):
What is the "return rate" of these tourists?

Very high, all of them that at least have a high school diploma and know why is cartagena so important in the world.

Topic: RE: Rumor: AA Back To Barranquilla And Cartagena
Username: jfk777
Posted 2013-04-16 07:14:05 and read 3353 times.

What is needed in these two cities are vast airport improvements, the "new" BAQ terminal is 30 years old and looking it. CTG is too close to the city and too small for its increasing demands. A regional "costa" airport is what the Caribean region of Colombia needs.

Topic: RE: Rumor: AA Back To Barranquilla And Cartagena
Username: jfk777
Posted 2013-04-17 06:55:41 and read 3093 times.

Are the new AA A319's going to be used in MIA ? That is the first question if AA is going to return to BAQ ?

Topic: RE: Rumor: AA Back To Barranquilla And Cartagena
Username: clo1973
Posted 2013-04-18 13:50:54 and read 2815 times.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 8):
could make it the third most important city in the country in a couple of years (right now it's the 4th).

I read this and it just amazes me how can you even consider such possibility.

Topic: RE: Rumor: AA Back To Barranquilla And Cartagena
Username: summa767
Posted 2013-04-18 14:23:27 and read 2785 times.

Quoting clo1973 (Reply 21):
I read this and it just amazes me how can you even consider such possibility

Even though it was not me who made the statement, it is true that Barranquilla is really up and coming. Its economy is really going places as new companies are set up and others relocate there to be close to port. It's unemployment rate is well below the colombian average.
I don't have figures to hand to evaluate how different the 2 cities GPP is apart, but obviously if things stay as they are given time one could conceivably overtake the other.
What I hope though, is that Cali being close to the pacific, something that has been key in its development, can be better used for the whole region, including its capital, to fasten up its pace of growth.

Topic: RE: Rumor: AA Back To Barranquilla And Cartagena
Username: clo1973
Posted 2013-04-19 07:49:05 and read 2549 times.

Summa767,
I can´t dennied what you mention in your first paragraph, it is a well known fact.
However, let´s see hard data...

Metro Area Population
Barranquilla: 1.7 Mlls
Cali : 2.7 Mills

Air Traffic (Pax) Total/ International
Barranquilla: 1.9 Mills / 0.2 Mills
Cali: 3.8 Mills / 0.6 Mills

GNP (US$Mill) - Source Revista America Economia
Barranquilla: 6,600
Cali: 17,000

In the last couple of years Cali has seen arrived companies such as (among others):

Diaco (installed a Steal factory). Winpack (Chilean that installed a Strech film plant), Fogel Andina (Guatemala company that installed a Freezers factory), Venus (Ecuadorian company that started up a Shoe plant), Sweel Sol (American company that installed a Confectionary factory); Kraft and Goodyear transfer its commercial headquarters from Bogota to Cali; Banco de Occidente doubling up its headquarters by building an additional 17-story tower.

By this I do not mean to diminish B/quilla whatsoever, a city close to my heart (I lived there for three years) that has
move forward quite a bit in the last couple of years and with high levels of investment; but I think that looking at the hard data provided you will agree with me that stating "...could make the third most important city in the country..." its a bit exagerated......and yes, given time everything is possible, as a matter of fact in 30-40 years Cali or Medellin (provided certain conditions specially political) might even surpass Bogota as the country´s economy power  


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