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Topic: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: iowaman
Posted 2013-01-14 13:08:53 and read 57899 times.

Since the last thread received over 250 replies, please continue the discussion here.

Previous thread:
787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12 (by SA7700 Dec 7 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: United787
Posted 2013-01-14 13:17:54 and read 57957 times.

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft in production, I recommend going to http://nyc787.blogspot.com/

DELIVERED TO DATE: 50 Aircraft to 8 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO JANUARY
NH-17; JL-7; UA–6; AI-5; QR-5; ET-4; LA-3; LO-2

JANUARY DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 54 - VT-ANJ – 1/2/2013 - AI #6

NEXT IN LINE FOR DELIVERY Tentative - Subject to Change
L/N 83 - JA818A - 1/xx/2013 - NH #18
L/N 72 - VT-ANM – 1/xx/2013 - AI #7
L/N 86 – SP-LRC – 1/xx/2013 – LO #3
L/N 87 - SP-LRD – 1/xx/2013 – LO #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 88 - SP-LRE – 1/xx/2013 – LO #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 89 – JA830J – 1/xx/2013 – JL #8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 90 - VT-ANN – 2/xx/2013 - AI #8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 92 - G-TUIA – 2/xx/2013 – BY #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 43 - B-2727 – 3/xx/2013 - CZ #1
L/N 73 - B-2728 – x/xx/2013 - HU #1
L/N 34 – B-2725 – x/xx/2013 – CZ #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 79 - B-2730 – x/xx/2013 - HU #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 76 - B-2729 – x/xx/2013- HU #3 Awaiting first flight


I had thought L/Ns 87, 88, 89 would have had their B-1s by now...these are looking more and more like February deliveries...

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: AirframeAS
Posted 2013-01-14 14:13:51 and read 57701 times.

UA is supposed to get its 7th and 8th 787 during the second half of 2013, correct? I was hoping we would see at least 10-15 by years end.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-01-14 14:28:11 and read 57643 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 1):
I had thought L/Ns 87, 88, 89 would have had their B-1s by now...these are looking more and more like February deliveries...

LN 88 has a long way to go as not even in paint yet. LN 89 and 90 are most likely going to pass it as they are both in paint and on the flightline.

A

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-01-14 14:30:38 and read 57632 times.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 2):

UA #7 probably around mid-July (begins assembly in April)
UA#8 most likely towards year end as it is being built in Charleston starting mid-year

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: flyingcello
Posted 2013-01-14 14:32:41 and read 57620 times.

Can anyone confirm the various line numbers at which the block improvements were to come? For example, when did the final side-of-body design, or the final centre wing box design, kick in? And which line numbers were the first to see the weight improvements? I think (although stand to be corrected) that there were two major weight improvement points. From memory, L/N 90 was supposed to be significant.

[Edited 2013-01-14 15:42:12]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-01-14 20:17:05 and read 57151 times.

When NH takes delivery if a 787 frame, where is it delivered to? As mentioned in the 748 thread I am relocating to tokyo in march and if I get the right info on a delivery I may be able to catch it on arrival. Also after delivery is it immediately put into service or is it placed in a hangar for tech?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-01-14 20:18:51 and read 57152 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):

So far all NH deliveries have been to HND and all JL deliveries have been to NRT.

A

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: moggef
Posted 2013-01-14 23:11:51 and read 56927 times.

The LN126 race is on.........ShinMaywa Industries announced on January 9 that "it has shipped the first wing spar for the Boeing 787-9 to Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI) that is in charge of assembling the wing section. ShinMaywa has built the new production line in the Takarazuka Plant, Hyogo Prefecture in preparation for increase in production".

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-15 01:33:27 and read 56792 times.

Some more interesting info on the 787-9:

Quote:
Boeing quietly unveils the new architecture of the 787-9 horizontal stabilizer during SLC ceremony. No more center box.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/5...boeing-building-lake-salt.html.csp

The 787-9 H-Stab is the biggest change between -8 and -9. Totally different design. Goes from three pieces to two.

Tweeted by http://twitter.com/jonostrower

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: Someone83
Posted 2013-01-15 04:03:05 and read 56640 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 9):
Boeing quietly unveils the new architecture of the 787-9 horizontal stabilizer during SLC ceremony. No more center box.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/5...boeing-building-lake-salt.html.csp

The 787-9 H-Stab is the biggest change between -8 and -9. Totally different design. Goes from three pieces to two.

Is it likely that this change eventually will be implemented on the -8?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KELPkid
Posted 2013-01-15 08:33:51 and read 55971 times.

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 10):
Is it likely that this change eventually will be implemented on the -8?

It is possible that LN/5 was flight testing this very modification   I know that LN5 has been doing flight testing in support of the 787-9 program...

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: AirframeAS
Posted 2013-01-15 12:17:22 and read 54624 times.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 4):
UA#8 most likely towards year end as it is being built in Charleston starting mid-year

How do you know that? Source?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-01-15 12:23:59 and read 54592 times.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 4):
UA #7 probably around mid-July (begins assembly in April)
UA#8 most likely towards year end as it is being built in Charleston starting mid-year
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 12):
How do you know that? Source?

It's listed in the All Things 787 blog at http://nyc787.blogspot.com

LN117 (UA#7) is scheduled to be built in Everett and LN124 (UA#8) is scheduled to be built in Charleston.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-01-15 13:07:48 and read 54313 times.

When is the next "terrible teen" scheduled for delivery? I'm behind a firewall that blocks the obvious source.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 13):
It's listed in the All Things 787 blog at http://nyc787.blogspot.com

I highly recommend that blog for 787 fans.

Quoting flyingcello (Reply 5):
Can anyone confirm the various line numbers at which the block improvements were to come? For example, when did the final side-of-body design, or the final centre wing box design, kick in?

I second that. I'm forgetting exactly which is what even though I knew it before!    Yea... must remember numbers for work...  


Lightsaber

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-01-16 11:48:07 and read 53640 times.

http://i46.tinypic.com/2vln0ye.jpg

Clearly as I stated in the NH thread the incidents in Japan aren't phasing Boeing much. This guy (N787FT) is aloft (ignore the second plane as its FAA delay)

Who is he going to?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-01-16 11:51:46 and read 53634 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 15):
Who is he going to?

N787FT is ZA005, one of the GEnx test frames that currently does not have a customer (I believe it was originally planned for Royal Air Maroc). At last report, it is expected to eventually be delivered as a 787VIP business jet at some indeterminate point in the future.

[Edited 2013-01-16 11:53:23]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-16 11:55:44 and read 53602 times.

ZA005 is probably doing tests for the 787-9 program.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-16 11:57:50 and read 53584 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 14):
When is the next "terrible teen" scheduled for delivery? I'm behind a firewall that blocks the obvious source.

I expect LN21 / JA823J for JAL to rollout soon.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: Capt747ret
Posted 2013-01-16 18:10:00 and read 53245 times.

This reminds me of the grounding of the DC-10 fleet many years ago. With that there were lives and hull losses. None of us would want to think what would happen if we were half way to HNL when the battery starts to flame.

Years ago, I imagined thinking that with all those new DC-10’s now just sitting on the ground was it now their destiny to be tuned back into ingots of aluminum?

I went out and bought all the Douglas stock I could lay my hands on and margined it too. 30 days later I was handsomely rewarded.

It sure seems to be a battery problem and not an airplane design issue. Does this equal a scratched window or sticky fuel valve? Do I have to answer this question? Only the reporters have stupid and opportunistic tattooed on their forehead.

Short term fix: NiCad’s, Long term fix: new battery design, 787 effects NONE if not enhanced.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: mke717spotter
Posted 2013-01-16 20:15:18 and read 53116 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 1):
L/N 86 – SP-LRC – 1/xx/2013 – LO #3
L/N 87 - SP-LRD – 1/xx/2013 – LO #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 88 - SP-LRE – 1/xx/2013 – LO #5 Awaiting first flight


Here's some pics I found of all three:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/8297820208/

(LRD is behind the dreamlifter, unpainted LRE in front)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/8296769967/

Does anyone know when LRC will head out for delivery? When I was a little over three years old, my mom and I flew LO from ORD to WAW in May of 1995. Obviously I'm too young to remember, but my mom claims that our flight was operated by SP-LPB (763) and that it was its first official flight since it had come brand new straight from PAE. Is this realistic or is it likely that it would've gone to WAW first?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: OldTTAGuy
Posted 2013-01-17 13:45:56 and read 52740 times.

Why has the most tested airplane in history had electrical problems? The difference I note is that is had just come into "airline service" which is distinctively different than the testing and certification processes it has been through. I think the problem is ground power - the variety of ground power sources around the world and the people using them (perhaps incorrectly) is a very likely culprit. Power surges, frequency variations, voltage spikes - all could play havoc with the 787 systems. That's just an opinion of a 45 year airline guy but I've seen ground power fry aircraft circuits before and the 787 might just be a little more sensitive to the variations.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: hhslax2
Posted 2013-01-17 15:07:04 and read 52592 times.

Quoting OldTTAGuy (Reply 21):

I agree with you that voltage spikes could cause this, but Boeing/Thales has to know to account for it during the design phase. I doubt Boeing would not have tested this before/during certification. The FAA may not have, being a govt org.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-01-20 12:06:05 and read 51872 times.

So due to the FAA directive, no deliveries are going to happen for some time. It's a shame but gives us a little bit of time to regroup.

Looking at All Things 787, (thank you to user NYC777) The next aircraft that was to be delivered was Ln83, ZA512, JA818A. Lines 43, 72, 73, and 86 were undergoing customer test flights. 87-90 and 92 were listed as pre-flight preps.

Of course we were still looking at CZ and Hainan Airlines dealing with CAAC issues.

When this A.D. is lifted, what do you think is going to happen? Is production halted? Will these orders be taken up in stride, or will deliveries be slowed considerably?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-20 12:21:15 and read 51810 times.

LN72 (AIC), LN83 (ANA), LN86 (LOT) should be the next in line for a delivery.

LN43 did a certification flight with the CAAC and is now at Fort Worth for a paint job. Both LN43 and LN73 are awaiting CAAC certification.

I don't expect the production to be halted, unless a union strike takes place (which is not related to the battery problem).

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-20 12:33:03 and read 52146 times.

And in other news: LN34 - the second China Southern bird - is not visible anymore on Matt's latest flightline picture. It might be inside the paint shop and it will be interesting to see if it will receive the special livery too.

[Edited 2013-01-20 12:34:55]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-01-20 15:17:36 and read 51824 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 25):
And in other news: LN34 - the second China Southern bird - is not visible anymore on Matt's latest flightline picture. It might be inside the paint shop and it will be interesting to see if it will receive the special livery too.

Hmm Thats interesting, IIRC aren't all the CZ birds supposed to be painted like that?

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 24):
I don't expect the production to be halted, unless a union strike takes place (which is not related to the battery problem).

I see thanks for the update.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: ER757
Posted 2013-01-20 15:21:42 and read 52660 times.

Dumb question - does the FAA grounding apply to revenue flights only or all flights? Could Boeing still do B1 flights on new builds?

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 24):
unless a union strike takes place

SPEEA isn't too happy with Boeing's last contract offer - they'll almost certainly authorize a strike wen they vote this week

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-01-20 15:47:44 and read 52594 times.

Quoting ER757 (Reply 27):
Dumb question - does the FAA grounding apply to revenue flights only or all flights? Could Boeing still do B1 flights on new builds?

Once they determine what went wrong, if Boeing can come up with an "alternate means of compliance" ( ACM), they could continue "B" flights but not "C" flights which require the airplane to be "in configuration". That could also be used to allow customers to ferry their airplanes to where ever the final fix would be incorporated. However, we're probably along way from either of these events happening.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-01-20 15:54:46 and read 52535 times.

Quoting OldTTAGuy (Reply 21):
The difference I note is that is had just come into "airline service" which is distinctively different than the testing and certification processes it has been through.

The NH bird had been in revenue service for almost one year before the battery incident. Three other 787s had been in revenue service with them for over a year. While the JL bird that had the battery fire in BOS was a couple of months old, they have other airframes that have been in revenue service for well over half-a-year.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: ZKOKQ
Posted 2013-01-20 16:25:44 and read 52434 times.

How long could this grounding last before Boeing is crippled? I hope we dont get anywhere near that point.

I am sure it wont be long before congress steps in?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-01-20 16:36:38 and read 52451 times.

Quoting ZKOKQ (Reply 30):
How long could this grounding last before Boeing is crippled? I hope we dont get anywhere near that point.

I guess it's how you define "crippled".

Arguably, Boeing could pull the plug on the 787 program right now and probably still survive. The majority of development and inventory costs have already been spent and the contracts would spell out what the penalties are for non-delivery. It would a brutal financial hit, but Boeing diversified so much in the 1990s and 2000s to help protect them from the "boom and bust" cycle of Commercial Aviation.

Customers need widebody airplanes and Airbus can't build them fast enough to meet demand, so Boeing would shift many hundreds of 767s and 777s as replacements. And considering Boeing is projected to lose money on a significant number of 787 deliveries (due to them costing so much more to build than planned), even selling each replacement 767 and 777 at a 1% profit margin on each 767 and 777 could be better for Boeing compared to delivering them a 787 under the original contract. Of course, the longer term financial impact would be harsh and it would certainly make Airbus the dominant commercial airplane manufacturer going forward, so Boeing would likely concentrate even more on Defense and Space programs.

[Edited 2013-01-20 17:02:27]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: kanban
Posted 2013-01-20 16:46:35 and read 52340 times.

Quoting ZKOKQ (Reply 30):
I am sure it wont be long before congress steps in?

congress can not over rule the FAA in this matter.. and Boeing's cash flow while affected is not hurting

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: PM
Posted 2013-01-20 19:49:00 and read 52152 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 29):
The NH bird had been in revenue service for almost one year before the battery incident.

Indeed. I flew on it in January of last year.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: tdscanuck
Posted 2013-01-20 20:43:07 and read 52109 times.

Quoting OldTTAGuy (Reply 21):
That's just an opinion of a 45 year airline guy but I've seen ground power fry aircraft circuits before and the 787 might just be a little more sensitive to the variations.

This is certainly possible...the 777 went through a lot of teething around ground power units too (different technical symptoms though). There are a huge number of out-of-spec GPU's in the world. The airplane is supposed to be able to handle this but it doesn't always work.

Quoting ZKOKQ (Reply 30):
How long could this grounding last before Boeing is crippled?

I agree with Stitch, in theory the 787-8 could never fly again and Boeing would survive. It wouldn't be pretty, to be sure, but it's not a bet-the-farm situation like the 747 was.

Tom.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-22 01:33:05 and read 51289 times.

LN93 / ZA383 (China Southern) is now outside the factory, picture by moonm:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/8404607248/

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 26):
Hmm Thats interesting, IIRC aren't all the CZ birds supposed to be painted like that?

I could think of 2 reasons why LN34 might be inside the paint shop:

- LN34 will get the special livery too
- LN34 gets a fresh paint job because the current paint dates from 2011 and has probably some scratches on it etc

[Edited 2013-01-22 01:45:59]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-01-22 01:39:25 and read 51275 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 35):

According to China Southern, when they revealed the special lively design over a year ago, they said 9/10 aircraft would get it while LN 34 (the one already painted) would remain as is. Again things change but that was the plan a year ago.

I believe the press release is still on the CSN website (in chinese only).

A

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-22 01:44:33 and read 51256 times.

Let's wait and see. As we are now a year further and LN34 needs a fresh paint job anyway it might receive the special livery too.

Quote:
According to China Southern

Thanks, I did not known it was official so I've removed the rumours from my previous post.

[Edited 2013-01-22 01:49:43]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-01-23 01:47:51 and read 50664 times.

Thomson Airways' first 787 is now on the flightline painted, photo by Matt Cawby:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/8406250151/

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-23 01:55:34 and read 50599 times.

Looking good.

Now let's hope Boeing can restart the deliveries soon. Otherwise Paine Field will become crowded again.

[Edited 2013-01-23 01:55:56]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-24 00:15:19 and read 49904 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 35):
- LN34 will get the special livery too

Confirmed now. Matt tweets:

Quote:
China Southern Airlines 787 B-2725 is out of the paint hangar and parked at the fuel dock. It's not within striking distance yet but has the same livery as B-2727.


[Edited 2013-01-24 00:15:48]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: United787
Posted 2013-01-24 14:17:39 and read 49318 times.

Dumb Question: Does the 787 grounding affect Boeing B1 flights?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-01-24 15:31:58 and read 49176 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 41):
Dumb Question: Does the 787 grounding affect Boeing B1 flights?

See post 28

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: art
Posted 2013-01-25 01:17:21 and read 48837 times.

Quoting ZKOKQ (Reply 30):
How long could this grounding last before Boeing is crippled? I hope we dont get anywhere near that point.

It's a severe setback to the 787 but Boeing produces about 500 other airliners a year. Would the grounding for a few months of a model with a production rate of less than 100 a year cripple them?

Quoting Stitch (Reply 31):
Arguably, Boeing could pull the plug on the 787 program right now and probably still survive.

Hypothetical scenario, agreed, but why would Boeing even contemplate forgoing the profit from expected sales of 1,500+ 787's and support/spares for them? The aircraft appears to have a problem with charging its batteries, That must surely be fixable without a major redesign of the whole electrical system.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: someone83
Posted 2013-01-25 05:13:20 and read 48535 times.

Photos of the first til ILFC/Norwegian in the FAL

http://media.norwegian.com/#/image/v...mliner-fra-boeing-fabrikken-175476

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-01-25 06:09:13 and read 48444 times.

Quoting art (Reply 43):
Hypothetical scenario, agreed, but why would Boeing even contemplate forgoing the profit from expected sales of 1,500+ 787's and support/spares for them?

I should have worded that "Boeing being forced to pull the plug on the 787".

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-02-02 04:03:21 and read 47284 times.

Update on ZB001, the first 787-9:

"Earlier this week, Boeing's modified 747 Dreamlifter ferried the first major sections of the 787-9 to North Charleston, S.C., from Japan, a person familiar with the manufacturing plans said. The special delivery is the first step toward assembling the jet's 20-foot-longer fuselage.

Body sections made in Italy are expected to arrive as early as next week, said the person, which will be combined with the Japanese pieces to create the largest fuselage section of the 787-9."

"Boeing's 747 Dreamlifter this week ferried Sections 43 and 45/11 from Japan to Charleston for ZB001, the first 787-9."

[Edited 2013-02-02 04:05:40]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-02-05 02:58:58 and read 46351 times.

Production update.

- LN39 ET #5 finished change incorporation. http://paineairport.com/kpae5937.htm
- LN96 BY #3 finished final assembly and is now inside the paint hangar (source: All things 787)
- Nice overview of the Everett flightline: http://paineairport.com/images/kpae9042.jpg

More pictures:
http://kpae.blogspot.nl/2013/02/paine-field-february-4.html

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: United787
Posted 2013-02-05 10:11:35 and read 45843 times.

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft in production, I recommend going to http://nyc787.blogspot.com/

DELIVERED TO DATE: 50 Aircraft to 8 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO 2013
NH-17; JL-7; UA–6; AI-5; QR-5; ET-4; LA-3; LO-2

2013 DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 54 - VT-ANJ – 1/2/2013 - AI #6

NEXT IN LINE FOR DELIVERY Tentative - Subject to Change
L/N 83 - JA818A - x/xx/2013 - NH #18
L/N 72 - VT-ANM – x/xx/2013 - AI #7
L/N 86 – SP-LRC – x/xx/2013 – LO #3
L/N 87 - SP-LRD – x/xx/2013 – LO #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 88 - SP-LRE – x/xx/2013 – LO #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 89 – JA830J – x/xx/2013 – JL #8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 90 - VT-ANN – x/xx/2013 - AI #8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 92 - G-TUIA – x/xx/2013 – BY #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 94 - G-TUIB – x/xx/2013 – BY #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 96 - G-TUIC – x/xx/2013 – BY #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 39 - ET-AOO – xx/xx/2013 - ET #5 Awaiting first flight

L/N 43 - B-2727 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #1
L/N 73 - B-2728 – x/xx/2013 - HU #1
L/N 34 – B-2725 – x/xx/2013 – CZ #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 79 - B-2730 – x/xx/2013 - HU #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 76 - B-2729 – x/xx/2013- HU #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 81 - B-2731 – x/xx/2013- HU #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 93 - B-2733 – x/xx/2013 – CZ #3 Awaiting first flight

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: flightsimer
Posted 2013-02-05 12:20:45 and read 45589 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 48):

That's just under 1/3 of the total 2013 projected deliveries of 65. Seems like that 65 was a low target and they will easily be able to deliver that this year.

Great to here the -9 is really starting to come together. Just a few more months till we see it rolling out of the factory on its own wheels and then a first flight!!!

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KELPkid
Posted 2013-02-05 13:24:40 and read 45452 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 47):
- LN39 ET #5 finished change incorporation. http://paineairport.com/kpae5937.htm

So who gets pulled into the change incorporation line in its place?   There is light at the end of the tunnel....

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-02-05 13:32:05 and read 45386 times.

I think LN36 for CH will be next.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: chiad
Posted 2013-02-06 03:14:40 and read 45474 times.

Is there any new information on Boeing's planned delivery of the B787?
If there is .. say ... 2 month delay before "normal production" commences, will the frames just be stacked on the tarmac waiting for battery modification?
Will Boeing in that case still be able to deliver 65 frames in 2013?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-02-06 06:45:58 and read 45212 times.

Boeing is still producing as before, nothing has changed except they can't fly them after they build them. If they can't fly them they can't deliver them.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-02-06 11:11:01 and read 44797 times.

Let's not discuss the battery problem / grounding in the production thread. You can do that in FAA Grounds 787, Part 8 (by 777ER Feb 5 2013 in Civil Aviation)

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: 777ER
Posted 2013-02-06 11:58:04 and read 44683 times.

Please keep this thread on topic and not discussing the battery issues, cancelled B787 flights and compensation talks. I've just done a big deletion run and the Moderators will be watching this thread

If users would like to discuss issues relating to the B787 grounding then please discuss them in this link FAA Grounds 787, Part 8 (by 777ER Feb 5 2013 in Civil Aviation)

Thank you

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-02-10 03:18:57 and read 44001 times.

LN85 for Hainan Airlines is now on CHS flightline:


(picture uploaded by http://twitter.com/Kearney_Brendan)

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-02-10 10:31:24 and read 43575 times.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 55):
If users would like to discuss issues relating to the B787 grounding then please discuss them in this link FAA Grounds 787, Part 8 (by 777ER Feb 5 2013 in Civil Aviation)

I would like to say that Boeing has conducted test flights in order to see what's going on with the battery....The nature of those flights are unknown and I have no knowledge of them besides what gets pumped through my contacts and through Japanese media. Can we discuss those here? I would like to hear about those flights from the regulars on this thread.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: flood
Posted 2013-02-10 14:36:18 and read 43321 times.

China Southern's N1014X was moved to the front of the line Friday night, after having been ferried back from TX on Thursday. Open hangar had just devoured EK's A6-ENH.
http://www.pdxlight.com/other/N1014X.jpg

Flightline pano from the Stratodeck yesterday (30MB)
http://www.pdxlight.com/other/kpae30k.jpg

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: kanban
Posted 2013-02-10 14:49:55 and read 43287 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 57):
Can we discuss those here?

I'd say no now that part 9 is open.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-02-11 23:58:07 and read 42809 times.

LN97 / JA819A is outside and in paint.

http://paineairport.com/kpae5978.htm

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: BlueShamu330s
Posted 2013-02-12 00:32:34 and read 42707 times.

Looks like it's getting pretty full on the line.

Are built frames just standing idle or, and it would indicate increased chance of a longer grounding, have Boeing started weather sealing them up?

Rgds

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: carpethead
Posted 2013-02-12 04:35:43 and read 42425 times.

With one month since the grounding creeping up, at what time will Boeing have to consider slowing down the production rate or in the worst case scenario, shutting the line down?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: ba319-131
Posted 2013-02-12 05:15:21 and read 42361 times.

Quoting carpethead (Reply 62):
With one month since the grounding creeping up, at what time will Boeing have to consider slowing down the production rate or in the worst case scenario, shutting the line down?

- This is a very valid question.

One also has to factor in the additional manhour's and cost to undertake whatever retrofit the 50 delivered bird's and the one build but yet to be delivered will require.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-02-12 05:24:34 and read 42368 times.

Still plenty of room at Everett. As of yesterday, the following slots were empty (probably others i can't account for and potential optimization of 777 and 747 frames): EMC Position C, EMC Position E, EMC Position XC, EMC Position 2, Tower Ramp Position 2, 11-29 Position 1, 11-29 Position 10, 11-29 Position 11 and 11-29 Position 12. That's 9 slots.

The 9th next frame to come off the production line LN 108 (BA's first frame) is scheduled to come off the line around April 14th. So no rush in slowing things down from a space perspective.

Cheers
A

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: PW100
Posted 2013-02-12 13:00:38 and read 42052 times.

Quoting carpethead (Reply 62):
With one month since the grounding creeping up, at what time will Boeing have to consider slowing down the production rate or in the worst case scenario, shutting the line down?

That point is still way ahead. I expect that the rework cost per airframe to change the battery is very manageable.
Shutting down a production line like the 787, including all suppliers and sub suppliers, will certainly cost many times more on a per airframe basis.

The whole production system, from flight acceptance crew, to FAL to the larger suppliers to the smallest sub supplier could easily involve a total workforce of 50000 - 100000.
You just don't send those skilled people home for months or longer, and then expect them all to show up when you want to start production.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 64):
Still plenty of room at Everett

I fully expect that Boeing would get ferry flight permissions if they run out of storage space at Paine Field.

PW100

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: carpethead
Posted 2013-02-13 04:26:47 and read 41617 times.

Quoting PW100 (Reply 65):
That point is still way ahead. I expect that the rework cost per airframe to change the battery is very manageable

Agreed. I and probably most everybody thinks shutting down the production line is a last resort. However, what if the electrical and battery system needs a major re-design and modification. The process may take, say six months, then having 30 or so additional airframes that require major modification, in addition to the ones already delivered will be very costly too.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 64):
That's 9 slots

Weel, that's less than two months of production.
If the grounding takes over a couple more months; clear out some room at VCV, MHV or MZJ.
JAL & ANA birds could be joining too. Humidity levels are low now, but storing airplanes at HND cannot be good for the aircraft and expensive parking fees (then again most likely Boeing is picking up the bill).

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-02-13 05:00:23 and read 41544 times.

Quoting carpethead (Reply 66):
Weel, that's less than two months of production.

Everett assembles 4 frames a month.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-02-13 05:59:50 and read 41480 times.

Quoting carpethead (Reply 66):
However, what if the electrical and battery system needs a major re-design and modification. The process may take, say six months, then having 30 or so additional airframes that require major modification, in addition to the ones already delivered will be very costly too.

Still cheaper then closing the line and restarting it.

And change incorporation will be simpler than what Boeing has been doing on early-build frames.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-02-13 12:52:47 and read 41165 times.

Randy Tinseth today reiterates Boeing will continue 787 production at 5/month with no plans to change.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: PW100
Posted 2013-02-13 14:05:46 and read 41024 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 69):
Randy Tinseth today reiterates Boeing will continue 787 production at 5/month . . .

So no confirmation on the planned ramp up to ten/month by year-end . . . ?

Or would that be covered by this:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 69):
. . . with no plans to change

Hard to tell from my position without reading the exact wording.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: kanban
Posted 2013-02-13 15:17:27 and read 40956 times.

Quoting PW100 (Reply 70):

So no confirmation on the planned ramp up to ten/month by year-end . . . ?

I don't think they will continue the ramp up until the battery problem is solved.. so it's not off, it's just does not have a definite date.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-02-14 00:39:14 and read 40698 times.

Aspire Aviation reports that the 787-9 should fly 4 months after the start of final assembly.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-02-14 02:06:21 and read 40576 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 72):

scheduled to begin final assembly in early June so that would mean first flight in early Oct.
air new zealand still sticking to Q2-2014 for first 789 delivery which means a ~6-9 month test/certification period.

A

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-02-14 10:57:20 and read 40305 times.

Storage history all over again :/

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-02-17 20:15:21 and read 39528 times.

Does anyone know who the following Boeing customer codes belong to:

ABD
KBL

Thanks.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: PM
Posted 2013-02-17 20:27:15 and read 39532 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 75):
Does anyone know who the following Boeing customer codes belong to:

ABD

Pure guess. Air Berlin Deutschland?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-02-17 21:25:23 and read 39947 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 75):
Does anyone know who the following Boeing customer codes belong to:

ABD
KBL

Boeing codes and ICAO codes are similar in many cases.

ICAO ABD is Air Atlanta Icelandic

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-02-18 09:24:18 and read 39490 times.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 77):
Boeing codes and ICAO codes are similar in many cases.

ICAO ABD is Air Atlanta Icelandic

Weird, would one leasor lease and aircraft to another leasor?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: Hamlet69
Posted 2013-02-18 10:51:05 and read 39386 times.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 77):
Boeing codes and ICAO codes are similar in many cases

Similar, but not always identical. It's been years since I looked at a firing order, but a couple examples from memory:

British Airways
ICAO use BAW
Boeing use BAB

Cathay Pacific
ICAO use CPA
Boeing use CAT

Air France
ICAO use AFR
Boeing use AFA

There's others I can think of, but that gives you an idea. And since Air Atlanta Icelandic has no direct orders with Boeing, I'd suggest they are not Boeing's ABD. . .

Regards,

Hamlet69

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-02-18 11:03:52 and read 39353 times.

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 79):
Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 77):Boeing codes and ICAO codes are similar in many cases
Similar, but not always identical.

That's why I didn't say in all cases, but it seemed better than Presidential Flight which was the Boeing code for ABD several years ago.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 75):
Does anyone know who the following Boeing customer codes belong to:

ABD
KBL

Thanks.

What is your reason????

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-02-18 13:24:29 and read 39190 times.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 80):
What is your reason????

ILFC is leasing 787s to carriers with codes ABD and KBL.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-02-18 15:37:15 and read 39073 times.

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 79):
There's others I can think of, but that gives you an idea. And since Air Atlanta Icelandic has no direct orders with Boeing, I'd suggest they are not Boeing's ABD. . .

I agree, I jst updated my spreadsheet with L/N 131 to L/N 160 and there are two ILFC Dreamliners heading to ABD and KBL. I'm still working to find out who they are but I doubt a leasing company is going to lease an aircraft to a competitor.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-02-19 00:35:53 and read 38833 times.

@NYC777 I was reading your latest blog article and noticed the following section:

Quote:
Back to the 787-9, the list also shows ZB197 (LN 146) a 787-9 going to ANA. Why Boeing is building this aircraft for ANA before Air New Zealand, which is to take the first 787-9, is a mystery.

Now your list shows:

ZB001 Boeing
ZB002 Boeing
ZB021 Boeing
ZB197 ANA

I'm just guessing here but ZB021 is perhaps a production frame? Boeing need at least 1 production frame to certify the 787-9. ZB021 could be the one for Air New Zealand?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-02-19 06:08:11 and read 38595 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 83):
I'm just guessing here but ZB021 is perhaps a production frame? Boeing need at least 1 production frame to certify the 787-9. ZB021 could be the one for Air New Zealand?

It might be, I wouldn't be surprised though I am surprised that Boeing would start building a 787-9 for ANA this early as ZB197 (if the production rate holds at current output) would be ready to be delivered around 4th quarter of this year. They might be assembling it early to to do some further testing.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-02-20 11:20:10 and read 38042 times.

Ok I found out who ABD and KBL is.

ABD - UAE Presidential Flight - It seems that the UAE is leasing a 787 through ILFC instead of buying a BBJ.

KBL - Sky Blue Holdings - I have no idea who this is but it sounds like another ILFC leased 787 as a business jet. Does anyone know anything about them?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-02-20 11:59:05 and read 37872 times.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 80):
That's why I didn't say in all cases, but it seemed better than Presidential Flight which was the Boeing code for ABD several years ago.

Had Presidential Flight right, just didn't know which President.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-02-20 12:05:36 and read 37886 times.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 80):
That's why I didn't say in all cases, but it seemed better than Presidential Flight which was the Boeing code for ABD several years ago.

It still is Boeing's code for UAE Presidential Flight according to Boeing O & D site.

[Edited 2013-02-20 12:05:56]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-02-20 13:51:23 and read 37670 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 85):
ABD - UAE Presidential Flight - It seems that the UAE is leasing a 787 through ILFC instead of buying a BBJ.

KBL - Sky Blue Holdings - I have no idea who this is but it sounds like another ILFC leased 787 as a business jet. Does anyone know anything about them?

Weren't there a few mystery BBJ orders which weren't previously publicly announced? Maybe these are it. Obviously the UAE one is probs going to an oil mogul, and I'm guessing Sky Blue is something in Russia. Looks like they're based in Las Vegas....maybe a 787 going to Sands?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: flightsimer
Posted 2013-02-20 14:22:45 and read 37607 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 88):

There are a total of 12 787 BBJs on order with Boeing . Of those 12, it appears 6 will be leased through various companies as only 6 are listed with BBJ.

So we know at least three of them coming from ILFC.

* Michael Dell's
* UAE Presidential Flight
* SkyBlue Holdings

From doing a google search, there are two hits for SBH, one is based out of Las Vegas and the other may be out of Brea, California, but have have shut down. My guess its the Las Vegas one.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: Humanitarian
Posted 2013-02-20 16:51:34 and read 37423 times.

The Google founders 767-200 (N2767) is owned by Blue City Holdings, LLC and their 757 has been for sale. I seem to recall reading they were buying a 787.

http://gawker.com/318708/google-ceo-sells-a-jet-++-and-eyes-two-more

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-02-21 06:06:08 and read 37051 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 88):
Weren't there a few mystery BBJ orders which weren't previously publicly announced? Maybe these are it. Obviously the UAE one is probs going to an oil mogul, and I'm guessing Sky Blue is something in Russia. Looks like they're based in Las Vegas....maybe a 787 going to Sands?

Well these are not coming from BBJ but are leased from ILFC.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-02-23 16:03:45 and read 36481 times.

Engines on the Chinese birds (LN34 and LN43) are being removed. It might be an indication of long term storage.

http://oi46.tinypic.com/zbm8x.jpg

http://oi47.tinypic.com/34qu5hh.jpg

Source http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/8499804544/

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: Rheinbote
Posted 2013-02-24 05:53:23 and read 36078 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 84):
It might be, I wouldn't be surprised though I am surprised that Boeing would start building a 787-9 for ANA this early as ZB197 (if the production rate holds at current output) would be ready to be delivered around 4th quarter of this year. They might be assembling it early to to do some further testing.

Does ANA need true 8,000NM range capability on any of their routes? If so, we may see -8s delivered to ANA earlier replaced by new -9s. Just guessing.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-02-24 06:14:15 and read 36041 times.

Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 93):

Does ANA need true 8,000NM range capability on any of their routes? If so, we may see -8s delivered to ANA earlier replaced by new -9s. Just guessing.

The -9s will be configured with around 400 seats to replace the 772A's on domestic routes.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-02-27 03:31:31 and read 35491 times.

@NYC777

Matt Cawby captured the following picture of the EMC yesterday:
http://paineairport.com/kpae6059.htm

We can see the following birds:

- LN17 / ZA150 (Royal Air Maroc)
- LN19 / ZA151 (Royal Air Maroc)
- LN26 / ZA231 (Air India) *
- LN28 / ZA232 (Air India)

* The registration VT-ANB is readable in this picture: http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/8512627946/

We are missing LN36 / ZA381, may we assume this one is in Bay C now? And LN26 has taken its place outside the EMC.

[Edited 2013-02-27 03:33:08]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: United787
Posted 2013-02-28 06:35:11 and read 34591 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 95):
We can see the following birds:

- LN17 / ZA150 (Royal Air Maroc)
- LN19 / ZA151 (Royal Air Maroc)
- LN26 / ZA231 (Air India) *
- LN28 / ZA232 (Air India)

Are you saying that these are out of change incorporation?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-02-28 13:53:38 and read 34227 times.

No, the 4 frames nearby the EMC are undergoing some kind of preparation before entering the EMC.

A month ago we had:

- LN17 / ZA150 (Royal Air Maroc)
- LN19 / ZA151 (Royal Air Maroc)
- LN28 / ZA232 (Air India)
- LN36 / ZA381 (China Southern)

And now we have:

- LN17 / ZA150 (Royal Air Maroc)
- LN19 / ZA151 (Royal Air Maroc)
- LN26 / ZA231 (Air India)
- LN28 / ZA232 (Air India)

So Boeing towed LN36 inside the EMC and pulled LN28 out of storage.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: LO231
Posted 2013-03-04 13:26:20 and read 33442 times.

Quoting iowaman (Thread starter):

I have flown SP-LRA and - LRB. Not on your list.... Yes, I am talking LOT again, hehe....

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: Someone83
Posted 2013-03-13 01:21:15 and read 32275 times.

LN102, first for Norwegian, should have rolled out and parked at the 40-51 Ramp according to Allthings787. Anyone seen pictures?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-03-13 01:28:43 and read 32294 times.

This picture was taken 3 hours ago and shows no LN102 on the 40-51 ramp.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/8553035201/sizes/o/in/contacts/

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-03-13 03:50:39 and read 32135 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 92):
Engines on the Chinese birds (LN34 and LN43) are being removed. It might be an indication of long term storage.

Now LN79 - another Chinese bird - has lost its engines too.

http://oi48.tinypic.com/2cysnsm.jpg

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: United787
Posted 2013-03-13 07:03:49 and read 32658 times.

DELIVERED TO DATE: 50 Aircraft to 8 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO 2013
NH-17; JL-7; UA–6; AI-5; QR-5; ET-4; LA-3; LO-2

2013 DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 54 - VT-ANJ – 1/2/2013 - AI #6

NEXT IN LINE FOR DELIVERY Tentative - Subject to Change
L/N 83 - JA818A - x/xx/2013 - NH #18
L/N 72 - VT-ANM – x/xx/2013 - AI #7
L/N 86 – SP-LRC – x/xx/2013 – LO #3
L/N 87 - SP-LRD – x/xx/2013 – LO #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 88 - SP-LRE – x/xx/2013 – LO #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 89 – JA830J – x/xx/2013 – JL #8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 90 - VT-ANN – x/xx/2013 - AI #8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 92 - G-TUIA – x/xx/2013 – BY #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 94 - G-TUIB – x/xx/2013 – BY #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 96 - G-TUIC – x/xx/2013 – BY #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 39 - ET-AOO – xx/xx/2013 - ET #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 97 - JA819A - x/xx/2013 - NH #19 Awaiting first flight
L/N 98 – JA831J – x/xx/2013 - JL #9 Awaiting first flight
L/N 99 - A7-BCD – x/xx/2013 - QR #6 Awaiting first flight
L/N 91 - VT-ANO – x/xx/2013 - AI #9 Awaiting first flight
L/N 101 - JA820A - x/xx/2013 - NH #20 Awaiting first flight
L/N 102 – LN-BKA - x/xx/2013 - DY #1 (ILFC) Awaiting first flight

L/N 43 - B-2727 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #1
L/N 73 - B-2728 – x/xx/2013 - HU #1
L/N 34 – B-2725 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 79 - B-2730 – x/xx/2013 - HU #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 76 - B-2729 – x/xx/2013 - HU #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 81 - B-2731 – x/xx/2013 - HU #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 93 - B-2733 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 85 - B–2732 - x/xx/2013 - HU #5 Awaiting first flight

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: Someone83
Posted 2013-03-13 07:06:03 and read 32645 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 102):
2013 DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 54 - VT-ANJ – 1/2/2013 - AI #6

For some reason: Boeing has removed this from their 2013 deliveries overview

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: United787
Posted 2013-03-13 07:49:28 and read 32532 times.

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 103):
For some reason: Boeing has removed this from their 2013 deliveries overview

30 Day Money Back Guarantee?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-03-13 07:55:57 and read 32539 times.

I read there is a financial issue with LN54.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-03-15 01:39:24 and read 31762 times.

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 99):
LN102, first for Norwegian, should have rolled out and parked at the 40-51 Ramp according to Allthings787. Anyone seen pictures?
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 100):
This picture was taken 3 hours ago and shows no LN102 on the 40-51 ramp.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/8...acts/

And here it is: http://paineairport.com/kpae6118.htm

LN102, the first 787 for Norwegian.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-03-15 09:19:15 and read 31479 times.

Looks like we could have more to discuss sooner rather than later--a lot sooner

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/boeing...s-787-battery-tests-153144420.html

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-03-15 11:50:37 and read 31291 times.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 107):
Looks like we could have more to discuss sooner rather than later--a lot sooner

Does anyone have any tracks of the test flights, or any insider word from Seattle on how those actually went?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-03-15 12:48:51 and read 31231 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 108):
Does anyone have any tracks of the test flights, or any insider word from Seattle on how those actually went?

They took place on the 9th and 11th of February on ZA005. According to the press conference it was highly instrumented and during these flights, due to some anomalies they noticed, they determined they also need to make modifications to the battery charger.


http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...5/history/20130209/2045Z/KBFI/KBFI

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...5/history/20130211/1815Z/KBFI/KBFI


There will be one certification flight on LOT #3.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-03-21 01:39:13 and read 30444 times.

Another roll out, probably LN103 / ZA466.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/8576795142/

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-03-21 14:38:36 and read 29880 times.

Per company spokesman, #Boeing SC rolled out another 787 last night, its 7th overall and 1st in more than 2 months.

http://twitter.com/Kearney_Brendan/status/314847588878794752

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: ER757
Posted 2013-03-21 15:52:37 and read 29704 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 111):
Per company spokesman, #Boeing SC rolled out another 787 last night, its 7th overall and 1st in more than 2 months.

Any idea what customer this one's for?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: Dan23
Posted 2013-03-21 17:48:20 and read 29569 times.

Quoting ER757 (Reply 112):

According to the production list on AllThings787 it is most likely either LN91 for Air India or LN95 for China Southern

[Edited 2013-03-21 17:50:49]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-03-22 03:40:49 and read 29197 times.

It's LN91 for Air India.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-03-23 10:27:35 and read 28677 times.

And a picture of the CHS flightline.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BGDYkg6CAAEU1Pt.jpg:large
(uploaded by http://twitter.com/Kearney_Brendan)

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-03-25 07:55:24 and read 27944 times.

Not sure if I should post in this thread or the grounding one, but Matt Cawby just tweeted that a flight crew is on SP-LRC to do ground tests and then a test flight. Hope everything goes well.  

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: someone83
Posted 2013-04-03 00:38:48 and read 26958 times.

LN102, the first for Norwegian, has been painted

http://www.vg.no/reise/artikkel.php?artid=10115164

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: United787
Posted 2013-04-03 06:46:41 and read 26550 times.

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 103):
For some reason: Boeing has removed this from their 2013 deliveries overview

This is true, so I removed the delivery from my list. Is this plane in Air India's hands in India or in Seattle?

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft in production, I recommend going to http://nyc787.blogspot.com/

DELIVERED TO DATE: 49 Aircraft to 8 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO 2013
NH-17; JL-7; UA–6; AI-5; QR-5; ET-4; LA-3; LO-2

NEXT IN LINE FOR DELIVERY Tentative - Subject to Change
L/N 54 - VT-ANJ – 1/2/2013 - AI #6 (Boeing has removed this from their delivery list)
L/N 83 - JA818A - x/xx/2013 - NH #18
L/N 72 - VT-ANM – x/xx/2013 - AI #7
L/N 86 – SP-LRC – x/xx/2013 – LO #3
L/N 87 - SP-LRD – x/xx/2013 – LO #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 88 - SP-LRE – x/xx/2013 – LO #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 89 – JA830J – x/xx/2013 – JL #8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 90 - VT-ANN – x/xx/2013 - AI #8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 92 - G-TUIA – x/xx/2013 – BY #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 94 - G-TUIB – x/xx/2013 – BY #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 96 - G-TUIC – x/xx/2013 – BY #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 39 - ET-AOO – xx/xx/2013 - ET #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 97 - JA819A - x/xx/2013 - NH #19 Awaiting first flight
L/N 98 – JA831J – x/xx/2013 - JL #9 Awaiting first flight
L/N 99 - A7-BCD – x/xx/2013 - QR #6 Awaiting first flight
L/N 91 - VT-ANO – x/xx/2013 - AI #9 Awaiting first flight
L/N 101 - JA820A - x/xx/2013 - NH #20 Awaiting first flight
L/N 102 – LN-BKA - x/xx/2013 - DY #1 (ILFC) Awaiting first flight
L/N 95 - B-2734 – x/xx/2013 – CZ #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 103 - A7-BCE – x/xx/2013 - QR #7 Awaiting first flight
L/N 105 – JA83?J – x/xx/2013 - JL #10 Awaiting first flight

L/N 43 - B-2727 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #1
L/N 73 - B-2728 – x/xx/2013 - HU #1
L/N 34 – B-2725 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 79 - B-2730 – x/xx/2013 - HU #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 76 - B-2729 – x/xx/2013 - HU #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 81 - B-2731 – x/xx/2013 - HU #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 93 - B-2733 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 85 - B–2732 - x/xx/2013 - HU #5 Awaiting first flight

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: mattcawby
Posted 2013-04-03 20:37:15 and read 25869 times.

Quoting someone83 (Reply 118):

LN102, the first for Norwegian, has been painted

It was moved to the flightline Wednesday night, photo here:

http://kpae.blogspot.com/

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-04 00:28:11 and read 25726 times.

The next Air India bird has finished change incorporation (LN32 / ZA235 / VT-ANG). See http://paineairport.com/kpae6181.htm (the one with the engines attached).

VT-ANE and VT-ANC are still inside the EMC, so the other 2 outside are VT-ANB and VT-ANA. The latter one is the very first built for Air India, meaning they have no frames in storage anymore.

[Edited 2013-04-04 00:30:23]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-04-04 08:27:40 and read 25415 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 102):
2013 DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 54 - VT-ANJ – 1/2/2013 - AI #6
Quoting Someone83 (Reply 103):
For some reason: Boeing has removed this from their 2013 deliveries overview

Boeing shows a 787 delivery to AI on 28 March 2013 so perhaps AI has again taken ownership.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-04 13:39:40 and read 25127 times.

There was a financial issue with VT-ANJ but it is resolved now. The plane flew to India in the beginning of the year however.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: N14AZ
Posted 2013-04-04 13:56:51 and read 25081 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 115):
...

Do you have a picture from Seattle as well? Should be interesting to see all these 787s produced so far.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-04 14:01:18 and read 25124 times.

Matt Cawby has some awesome pictures of the Everett flightline:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/8511104829/
http://paineairport.com/images/kpae9173.jpg
http://paineairport.com/kpae6057.htm
http://paineairport.com/kpae6058.htm
http://paineairport.com/images/fl032313.jpg
http://paineairport.com/images/kpae9233.jpg
http://paineairport.com/kpae6123.htm

More can be found at http://kpae.blogspot.com

[Edited 2013-04-04 14:02:33]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-05 00:28:34 and read 24755 times.

The 4th 787 for Thomson emerged from the final assembly line: LN 106 / ZA320 / G-TUID.

See http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/8619950979/sizes/o/

After this one we will have LN 107 (ANA) and LN 108 (BA).

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-04-09 02:25:16 and read 23888 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 125):

The tail is too dark of a shade of blue to be TUI's colors. This is most likely LN 107 for ANA.
Also moon's latest pictures seem to show 4 painted TUI frames in the field (1 @ fuel dock, 2 @ flightline and 1 @ delivery center).

This would mean we are only a mere few days away from BA #1 coming out!

Cheers
A

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-09 02:29:23 and read 24270 times.

Seems you are right. In that case BA #1 should roll out somewhere next week (and might be painted before the end of the month).

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: booforty
Posted 2013-04-09 03:43:58 and read 24134 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 124):
Matt Cawby has some awesome pictures of the Everett flightline:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/8511104829/
http://paineairport.com/images/kpae9173.jpg
http://paineairport.com/kpae6057.htm
http://paineairport.com/kpae6058.htm
http://paineairport.com/images/fl032313.jpg
http://paineairport.com/images/kpae9233.jpg
http://paineairport.com/kpae6123.htm

More can be found at http://kpae.blogspot.com


Awesome pictures, thanks for posting the links  

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-10 08:13:49 and read 23449 times.

Hmm, LN108 BA #1 is now outside too.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHf6wh-CcAII3AB.jpg:large

[Edited 2013-04-10 08:16:07]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-04-13 20:56:01 and read 22659 times.

With FAA Approval expected as early as Monday, this is the likely first few deliveries of 787s.
First delivery could occur as early as April as the first plane has been retrofited and flight tested.
In theory, could be only waiting for a successful C1 flight.

1) LOT SP-LRC / ZA 272 / LN 86 (retrofited + flight tested, awaiting C1)
2) ANA JA-818A / ZA 512 / LN 83 (has flown 8 times, needs retrofit + new flight tests)
3) AI VT-ANM / ZA 241 / LN 72 (first to be retrofitted @ Charleston, painted, has flown 3 times)

After that, most likely looking at (all on flightline, painted and awaiting retrofit):

4) LOT SP-LRD (ZA 273 / LN 87)
5) JAL JA-830J (ZA 184 / LN 89) - should be pushed out early to compensate for one stuck @ BOS
6) AI VT-ANN (ZA 242 / LN 90)
7) TUI G-TUIA (ZA 317 / LN 92)
8) TUI G-TUIB (ZA 318 / LN 94)
9) LOT SP-LRE (ZA 274 / LN 88)
10) TUI G-TUIC (ZA 319 / LN 96)

Cheers
A

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-14 03:40:37 and read 22379 times.

I'm not sure if LOT will take delivery of LRC, LRD and LRE anytime soon. They don't need the 787 until October due the 767 lease extension.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-04-14 03:55:11 and read 22332 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 131):

They'd probably prefer to use the 787s this summer (premium product + lower operating costs). I'm sure they'll look to Boeing for compensation on the costs of those lease extensions and/or early termination as will most of the other airlines (the Japanese having been the most vocal about compensation so far).

A

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-04-14 06:41:51 and read 22194 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 131):
I'm not sure if LOT will take delivery of LRC, LRD and LRE anytime soon. They don't need the 787 until October due the 767 lease extension.

LOT Said they're keeping their 787s on the ground until October anyway

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-14 06:45:36 and read 22170 times.

In that case it makes no sense to take delivery of the other 3 frames.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-04-14 09:10:17 and read 21989 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 133):
LOT Said they're keeping their 787s on the ground until October anyway

If the 787 is ready in May, I really don't see LOT keeping their planes parked for five months generating no revenue while they make payments and pay fees.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: sweair
Posted 2013-04-14 09:24:56 and read 21915 times.

It would be absurd not to take them if possible, training can be done etc if they have some spare time on the ground.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-14 09:29:41 and read 21921 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 135):
If the 787 is ready in May, I really don't see LOT keeping their planes parked for five months generating no revenue while they make payments and pay fees.

LRA en LRB should resume flight but there is no room for LRC, LRD and LRE unless they park the 767 (which will also cost money) or open some new routes.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-04-14 09:32:37 and read 21938 times.

SP-LRC is defacto ready. Its had 5 flights post-battery fix.
As soon as the FAA lifts the grounding, Boeing will be calling Warsaw asking them to send pilots for the C1.

i assume that Boeing may be more amenable to paying some form of compensation to LOT for the grounding rather than keep those 3 ready frames in Everett until October. Its got enough problems with storage space at Everett as is plus the fact that the 5 chinese frames are probably not going anywhere for a while.

A

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-14 09:53:19 and read 21870 times.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 138):
SP-LRC is defacto ready. Its had 5 flights post-battery fix.
As soon as the FAA lifts the grounding, Boeing will be calling Warsaw asking them to send pilots for the C1.

It think you are a bit too optimistic.

Other customers have said to start compensation talks once the battery fix has been approved. I expect LOT to do the same. Many customers won't take delivery of their plane until things are settled. And I'm wondering if Boeing is going to pay 6 months of lease rates for the LOT 767 fleet. That's a lot of money. So unless LOT opens some new routes I expect them to fly the 767 until October. Therefore they don't need the 3 frames currently parked at PAE yet.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-04-14 22:04:11 and read 21504 times.

Rather than keep arguing in the forum, we'll let time tell us who's right.
There's just absolutely no scenario under which those 3 frames will be stored in Everett until Oct.
That is unless airworthiness is not granted  
Cheers
A

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-15 00:34:56 and read 21368 times.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 140):
There's just absolutely no scenario under which those 3 frames will be stored in Everett until Oct.

I just cannot see a customer taking any new frames if they cannot use them and I doubt they will store them in Warsaw instead.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-04-15 02:43:36 and read 21246 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 141):
I just cannot see a customer taking any new frames if they cannot use them and I doubt they will store them in Warsaw instead.

I think theyre gonna be sent to MZJ for a while.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-04-16 00:57:59 and read 20739 times.

A bit of movement at Everett on Monday...

- JA-821A out of paint shop in full livery at the fuel dock
- VT-ANG finished re-incorporation and moved to the flightline
- G-ZBJA into the paint shop
- LN 117 moved into Position 1 of the surge line

two more to go on the surge line before the first 789!

Cheers
A

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-16 01:13:44 and read 20686 times.

See also reply #120 for more info on VT-ANG.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-04-18 08:23:15 and read 19921 times.

Something's happening:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE380 (GUN LN 34 B-1)

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE512 (ANA LN 83 I'm guessing a C-1 based on the profile)

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: kanban
Posted 2013-04-18 08:26:33 and read 19898 times.

Matt noted that GUN was to be a B1, and ANA is an engineering check..

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-18 09:01:18 and read 19876 times.

General Electric’s second package of upgrades for the GEnx-1B (PIP II) engine on the Boeing 787 has been certificated by the FAA. More info here.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: United787
Posted 2013-04-18 11:02:44 and read 19695 times.

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft in production, I recommend going to http://nyc787.blogspot.com/

DELIVERED TO DATE: 50 Aircraft to 8 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO 2013
NH-17; JL-7; UA–6; AI-5; QR-5; ET-4; LA-3; LO-2

2013 DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 54 - VT-ANJ – 3/28/2013 - AI #6

NEXT IN LINE FOR DELIVERY Tentative - Subject to Change
L/N 83 - JA818A - x/xx/2013 - NH #18
L/N 72 - VT-ANM – x/xx/2013 - AI #7
L/N 86 – SP-LRC – x/xx/2013 – LO #3
L/N 87 - SP-LRD – x/xx/2013 – LO #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 88 - SP-LRE – x/xx/2013 – LO #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 89 – JA830J – x/xx/2013 – JL #8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 90 - VT-ANN – x/xx/2013 - AI #8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 92 - G-TUIA – x/xx/2013 – BY #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 94 - G-TUIB – x/xx/2013 – BY #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 96 - G-TUIC – x/xx/2013 – BY #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 39 - ET-AOO – xx/xx/2013 - ET #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 97 - JA819A - x/xx/2013 - NH #19 Awaiting first flight
L/N 98 – JA831J – x/xx/2013 - JL #9 Awaiting first flight
L/N 99 - A7-BCD – x/xx/2013 - QR #6 Awaiting first flight
L/N 91 - VT-ANO – x/xx/2013 - AI #9 Awaiting first flight
L/N 101 - JA820A - x/xx/2013 - NH #20 Awaiting first flight
L/N 102 – LN-BKA - x/xx/2013 - DY #1 (ILFC) Awaiting first flight
L/N 95 - B-2734 – x/xx/2013 – CZ #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 103 - A7-BCE – x/xx/2013 - QR #7 Awaiting first flight
L/N 105 – JA832J – x/xx/2013 - JL #10 Awaiting first flight
L/N 32 - VT-ANG – x/xx/2013 - AI #10 Awaiting first flight
L/N 106 - G-TUID – x/xx/2013 – BY #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 107 - JA821A - x/xx/2013 - NH #21 Awaiting first flight
L/N 108 – G-ZBJA - x/xx/2013 - BA #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 110 - JA822A - x/xx/2013 - NH #22 Awaiting first flight

L/N 43 - B-2727 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #1
L/N 73 - B-2728 – x/xx/2013 - HU #1
L/N 34 – B-2725 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 79 - B-2730 – x/xx/2013 - HU #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 76 - B-2729 – x/xx/2013 - HU #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 81 - B-2731 – x/xx/2013 - HU #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 93 - B-2733 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 85 - B–2732 - x/xx/2013 - HU #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 100 - B-2735 – x/xx/2013 – CZ #5 Awaiting first flight

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-18 12:23:19 and read 19498 times.

Quoting kanban (Reply 146):
and ANA is an engineering check..

According to Matt, the ANA bird has the new battery onboard.

[Edited 2013-04-18 12:23:54]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-04-18 16:03:07 and read 19247 times.

Boeing has confirmed to me that they re resuming standard Boeing test flights with no restrictions. The FAA has okayed these flights and all 787s flown will be equipped with the new batteries and containment system.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: zkokq
Posted 2013-04-18 16:14:27 and read 19197 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 150):

Awesome, one step closer back towards to airline ops

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-04-19 13:16:32 and read 19089 times.

Ok the one more step has been taken and Boeing is now cleared to resume deliveries. I expect deliveries to resume around end of April to very early May (about 2 weeks from now at the latest).

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: sweair
Posted 2013-04-19 23:26:51 and read 18737 times.

That is a huge backlog of semi-deliverable planes. With the new delivery center in operation, I expect the pace will be frantic the coming months. Airlines want their planes for the busy summer season and B desperately need its space.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: morrisond
Posted 2013-04-20 06:10:09 and read 18501 times.

I'm flying YYZ to LHR on BA 92 (767) August 9 which apparently is one of BA's first 4-787 Destinations, returning on the 19th on a 767 as well.

Reading other threads apparently BA is expecting 4 787's this year.

One is in Pre-Flight (LN108),2 are in Final Assembly (LN111, LN114) and one is 'Parts Arriving' (LN121), according to all things 787.

Based on how things stand right now - How soon do you think BA gets all 4 Birds?

What LN will incorporate the new Battery design and roll off the Line ready to Fly?

What was the time between Roll-off assembly line and Delivery before the suspension of Deliveries?

What are the odds I'll be on a 787 this Summer?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-20 06:19:06 and read 18483 times.

Quoting morrisond (Reply 154):
Based on how things stand right now - How soon do you think BA gets all 4 Birds?

Impossible to say at this point in time.

Quoting morrisond (Reply 154):
What was the time between Roll-off assembly line and Delivery before the suspension of Deliveries?

BA would originally take its first 787 in May, that's a month between FAL roll out and delivery.

Quoting morrisond (Reply 154):
What are the odds I'll be on a 787 this Summer?

I think there is a good chance that BA will take delivery of at least 1 787 before August. The question however is how long will it take BA to put the 787 into revenue service? I assume they will do crew test flights first and I have no idea how long that will take.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: Tristarsteve
Posted 2013-04-20 07:23:03 and read 18406 times.

Quoting morrisond (Reply 154):
What are the odds I'll be on a 787 this Summer?

Practically nil.
BA hopes to receive two B787 before July, but they have a big program of crew training and then European flying before longhaul service entry. But there will be some longhaul substitutions, and you are in with a chance.
The European flying will be as a shorthaul substitution for around 4 weeks. No decision yet but could be any shorthaul B767 destination.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-20 12:52:18 and read 18106 times.

Quoting kanban (Reply 146):
Matt noted that GUN was to be a B1, and ANA is an engineering check..

LN 83 is scheduled for another check flight on Saturday.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-04-20 21:29:08 and read 17793 times.

Contact at NH Wings told me that expect 787 deliveries very soon. He used the words "Sugu tochaku," which means coming almost immediately. Japanese is difficult for me to translate into english but it means they're gonna pretty much arrive as soon as things get kicked into full swing.

He wasn't at liberty to explain any further.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-04-20 22:15:48 and read 17731 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 158):

JA-818A is as ready as they get for delivery having had 9 flights tests (more than usual due to testing of other mods - software/electrical) including 1 post battery fix. Its one C-1 away from being delivered.

JA-819A and JA-820A aren't too far behind it. both on the flightline with daily activity (presume battery switch) ahead of first flight.

JA-821A (stored) and JA-822A (just out of assembly, not painted) may take a while further.

JAL should also see two-to-three of the early deliveries as a few frames are seeing activity on the flightline.

Cheers
A

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-04-21 01:49:45 and read 17538 times.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 159):

Thanks for this. HND is within easy access from my school (about 30 minutes) so if there's a delivery there please let me know. I'll stop by for the delivery flight  

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-04-22 05:55:52 and read 16809 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 141):
I just cannot see a customer taking any new frames if they cannot use them and I doubt they will store them in Warsaw instead.

According to a bloomberg article (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-21/ana-jal-said-to-plan-to-start-787-repairs-after-fixes-approved.html) today:

"LOT Polish Airlines SA, Europe’s first operator of the jet, said Boeing engineers will implement the battery fix for its two 787s next month. The carrier, which has demanded compensation from Boeing, expects to receive a third 787 next month with plans to resume service in the summer, it said in an e-mailed statement."

Also in the same article:

"Boeing engineers will arrive in India on April 24, after the work in Japan, to apply the fix for Air India Ltd., which expects to resume 787 services by May 15 at the latest, Rohit Nandan, the company’s chairman, said today in New Delhi."

Cheers
A

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-04-22 06:54:16 and read 16680 times.

FYI, Boeing is building the 787 at 7/month now. Everett is at 5/month (loading a new aircraft every 6 days) and Charleston is at 2/month.

The first 787-9 will load in late May by my estimates (see my tables on my blog).

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-04-22 06:55:16 and read 16696 times.

ZA431 is scheduled for a B-1 flight out of CHS this morning. The fist 787 to fly from CHS since the grounding.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE431

[Edited 2013-04-22 06:57:00]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: PM
Posted 2013-04-22 07:24:09 and read 16604 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 162):
FYI, Boeing is building the 787 at 7/month now. Everett is at 5/month (loading a new aircraft every 6 days) and Charleston is at 2/month.

Not according to the BBC!  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22251756

"Mr Loftis said he did not expect the issue to have any lasting negative impact on the popularity of the Dreamliner among either airlines or passengers.

He said that Boeing had continued to make five 787s per week, and that the company was about to increase that to seven, raising output to 10 per week by the end of this year."

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-04-22 07:31:29 and read 16562 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 162):
Quoting PM (Reply 164):

Its neither here or there. They'll be pushing 7 frames in May but back down to 5 during the next few months as the 789 test aircrafts clog up the Surge Line. So both are technically correct but i guess Boeing is waiting for the "permanent" switch to 7/month before announcing it officially.

Cheers
A

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-04-22 08:37:03 and read 16428 times.

Quoting PM (Reply 164):
Not according to the BBC!

In Everett they're loading one aircraft every 6 days. Assuming a 30 day work week that's 5 aircraft per month in Everett. The manager at CHS already stated that they're going to 2/month a few weeks ago.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 165):
Its neither here or there. They'll be pushing 7 frames in May but back down to 5 during the next few months as the 789 test aircrafts clog up the Surge Line. So both are technically correct but i guess Boeing is waiting for the "permanent" switch to 7/month before announcing it officially.

I believe that CHS will take up the slack as the 787-9 goes through the surge line.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: ual747-600
Posted 2013-04-22 09:23:14 and read 16345 times.

I think it can also be noted that the frequency of Dreamlifter flights to Japan has been increasing lately to reflect the higher production rate.

UAL747-600

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: kanban
Posted 2013-04-22 09:44:32 and read 16263 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 166):
Assuming a 30 day work week that's 5 aircraft per month in Everett.

Gads.. that's worse than my error the other day of a 20 day work week..

The question is whether or not they are working a 20 day month or a 30 day month (lots of overtime) or have gone to staggered days off.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: milestones787
Posted 2013-04-22 19:46:02 and read 15856 times.

Forgive me if this has already been discussed, but what is the status of the Hainan and China Southern 787s? Has there been any progress with the government of China in terms of them giving the go-ahead for delivery? I see that LN 34 destined for China Southern is up and flying, so I assume it has been given the battery fix and is ready for delivery.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-23 12:52:49 and read 15394 times.

Say hi to the CHS flightline:

http://oi33.tinypic.com/afivy1.jpg
(picture: Arisara Petersen)

[Edited 2013-04-23 12:59:08]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-04-23 12:59:14 and read 15354 times.

Quoting milestones787 (Reply 169):
Has there been any progress with the government of China in terms of them giving the go-ahead for delivery?

The last reports were from early January noting the CAAC was refusing certification because of safety concerns and delivery delays.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-23 13:21:43 and read 15286 times.

Quoting ual747-600 (Reply 167):
I think it can also be noted that the frequency of Dreamlifter flights to Japan has been increasing lately to reflect the higher production rate.

I also heard about the increasing Dreamlifter operations.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 166):
In Everett they're loading one aircraft every 6 days. Assuming a 30 day work week that's 5 aircraft per month in Everett. The manager at CHS already stated that they're going to 2/month a few weeks ago.

NYC777, I have a question about your production list. First, this is the list with CHS built frames:

1. LN46 (Air India)
2. LN54 (Air India)
3. LN60 (Air India)
4. LN65 (Air India)
5. LN72 (Air India)
6. LN76 (Hainan)
7. LN81 (Hainan)
8. LN85 (Hainan)
9. LN91 (Air India)
10. LN95 (China Southern)
11. LN100 (China Southern)

Now Brendan Kearney tweeted these flightline pictures:
1) 4 tails on February 10: http://twitter.com/Kearney_Brendan/status/300417731990278144
1) 5 tails on March 23: http://twitter.com/Kearney_Brendan/status/315490095727771648
2) 6 tails on April 18: http://twitter.com/Kearney_Brendan/status/324862193973723137

I think LN95 should be the last one rolled out at CHS instead of LN100? Or am I missing something?

[Edited 2013-04-23 14:20:24]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: starbucks
Posted 2013-04-23 15:09:34 and read 15112 times.

Looks like the BA 787 has blue engines now...
http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/326818480194220033/photo/1

Picture found via Twitter

[Edited 2013-04-23 15:09:51]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: kanban
Posted 2013-04-23 15:10:22 and read 15095 times.

Does anyone know how many post delivery Service Bulletins (air frame and engines) may be out there for incorporation during the battery upgrade work?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-24 08:08:43 and read 14575 times.

Quoting PM (Reply 164):
Not according to the BBC!

Boeing today confirmed that the 787 production rate has been increased to 7 frames per month.

[Edited 2013-04-24 08:09:28]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-04-24 08:13:09 and read 14552 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 175):
Boeing today confirmed that the 787 production rate has been increased to 7 frames per month.

Now that's fine and dandy, but when are they gonna start shipping them to customers?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-24 08:18:53 and read 14803 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 176):
but when are they gonna start shipping them to customers?

More updates are coming in:

- The 787 deliveries will resume in early May.
- Most 787 aircraft could have battery upgrades done by mid May.
- Boeing is still expecting to deliver at least 60 Dreamliners this year.
- Traveled work on the 787 program now at zero.
- It cost Boeing 60% less to produce the 100th 787 vs the 8th 787 as production has stabilized.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-04-24 09:02:53 and read 14659 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 172):
NYC777, I have a question about your production list. First, this is the list with CHS built frames:

1. LN46 (Air India)
2. LN54 (Air India)
3. LN60 (Air India)
4. LN65 (Air India)
5. LN72 (Air India)
6. LN76 (Hainan)
7. LN81 (Hainan)
8. LN85 (Hainan)
9. LN91 (Air India)
10. LN95 (China Southern)
11. LN100 (China Southern)

Now Brendan Kearney tweeted these flightline pictures:
1) 4 tails on February 10: http://twitter.com/Kearney_Brendan/status/300417731990278144
1) 5 tails on March 23: http://twitter.com/Kearney_Brendan/status/315490095727771648
2) 6 tails on April 18: http://twitter.com/Kearney_Brendan/s...23137

LN 100 is still inside the final assembly building even though it is completed. The 6 planes that are outside are LN 72 to LN 95.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-24 09:53:17 and read 14469 times.

That explains it, thanks.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-24 13:02:29 and read 14227 times.

The first 787-9 serial numbers and test registrations are now loaded into the FAA database.

cn 41988 Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner N789EX
cn 41989 Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner N789FT
cn 41990 Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner N789ZB

See:
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=789EX
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=789FT
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=789ZB

[Edited 2013-04-24 13:09:51]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-04-24 13:10:54 and read 14183 times.

787 production will have to increase in order to launch 787-10. 2017 EIS is mentioned:

From the FG article:
As the proposed 320-seat version of the 787-10X nears a formal launch, Cowen & Co. analyst Cai von Rumohr asked McNerney on the earnings call how Boeing could offer delivery slots for a new 787 variant without stepping up the monthly production rate to at least 12 aircraft per month.

"You're asking the right question," McNerney replied. "We'll have to sort through that. If it did require taking up [the production] rate, that would add more time to it."

McNerney says there is "more room" for production rate growth on the 787 and 777 programmes, which is already stabilizing at a higher rate of 8.3 per month or 100 per year.

"One thing we don't lack for with the -10X is demand," McNerney says. "Customers want this airplane."

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...tandem-with-787-10x-launch-385102/

I thought the 777 production rate of 8.3 was maxed out without significant investment.

tortugamon

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-04-24 13:25:38 and read 14118 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 180):

The first 787-9 serial numbers and test registrations are now loaded into the FAA database.

Do we know what the expected production ramp up will look like for the 787-9? Is there usually a break in production after these three test frames or do we expect there to be slow but steady production immediately after the test frames are complete? L/N 146 for ANA makes me think they will continue right into production.

Is one frame per month reasonable for the first half of 2014?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KD5MDK
Posted 2013-04-24 19:30:42 and read 13705 times.

Is it just me or is the 0 travelled work step an important one?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: sonomaflyer
Posted 2013-04-24 20:05:27 and read 13639 times.

Quoting KD5MDK (Reply 183):

It's important along with a 60% reduction in production costs. Once the battery issue is done, the way should be clear for Boeing to focus on the -9 and -10.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-04-24 21:48:59 and read 13494 times.

Quoting KD5MDK (Reply 183):
Is it just me or is the 0 travelled work step an important one?

Depends on which traveled work you're talking about. "0" travelled work (factory to flight line) has never before been attained on any Boeing airplane so that would be just short of amazing if true. This means it comes out of the factory with absolutely no work to be done on the flight line so the preflight crews only have to worry about clearing any squawks related to ground and flight tests. I'm guessing they're talking about "0" traveled work from the vendor which would mean no work needs to be done in the factory that should have been done by the vendor which is nice but not that extraordinary.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-25 00:45:48 and read 13312 times.

There is large definition of "traveling work" but they mean there is no work left anymore on parts of the subcontractors. It's now only a matter of fitting all parts together and pulling it to the flightline.

The BA bird for example (LN108) was painted within 1 week after FAL roll out. I remember those LN66-LN80 birds sitting at least 1 month on the 40-51 ramp before going into the paint hangar.

If I remember it correctly, LN66 (the first 787 that did not needed change incorporation) had about 300 remaining jobs left before going into the paint hangar. That number of jobs is now 0.

[Edited 2013-04-25 00:48:31]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-25 12:49:17 and read 12940 times.

ZA431 / LN76 (Hainan Airlines) on its way from CHS to FTW for painting.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...1/history/20130425/1830Z/KCHS/KFTW

[Edited 2013-04-25 12:50:41]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: WarpSpeed
Posted 2013-04-25 14:08:16 and read 12841 times.

Quoting sonomaflyer (Reply 184):

It's important along with a 60% reduction in production costs.

Important reduction in production costs, indeed. However, McNerney said this lags the experience in the 777 program. As such, much more work to do. The good news is that Boeing still targets per plane profitability circa 2015 and program breakeven after about 1,100 units.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-26 00:16:06 and read 12452 times.

LN89 / JA830J is scheduled for a B1 flight today.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-04-26 04:11:23 and read 12300 times.

Based on most recent activity and aircraft positioning, it looks like the delivery firing order looks like this (excluding the Chinese birds which remain question marks on timing, despite the activity on the flightline for their birds):

1) JA-818A (All Nippon Airways #18)
2) SP-LRC (LOT Polish #3)
3) JA-830J (Japan Airlines #8)
4) VT-ANM (Air India #7)*
5) VT-ANN (Air India #8)
6) G-TUIA (TUI Plc #1)
7) G-TUIB (TUI Plc #2)
8) JA-819A (All Nippon Airways #19)

On the China front, first 4 will be:

i) B-2727 (China Southern #1)
ii) B-2725 (China Southern #2)
iii) B-2728 (Hainan Airlines #1)
iv) B-2729 (Hainan Airlines #2)*

Cheers
A

* denotes Charleston birds

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: frigatebird
Posted 2013-04-26 04:20:44 and read 12268 times.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 190):
4) VT-ANM (Air India #7)*
5) VT-ANN (Air India #8)

Is AI now back in the running to take their 787s again? I have been away from internet the first 3 months of 2013, so I might have missed some news during that period.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-04-26 04:25:48 and read 12262 times.

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 191):

i'm sure they'll play hard ball again re: compensation for grounding but no other issues stopping them from taking deliveries. AI actually took the last and only 787 delivery of 2013, shortly after new year!

A

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: caetravlr
Posted 2013-04-26 05:47:12 and read 12120 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 187):
ZA431 / LN76 (Hainan Airlines) on its way from CHS to FTW for painting.

I know I would probably know this if I had been paying more attention, but about how long does it take for it to get painted and then for it to get back to CHS? I am quite excited to see something besides AI on the flightline here! It was exciting enough to see the blue tail among the red, but seeing that bird fully painted should be amazing.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: xcoaster1
Posted 2013-04-26 05:50:47 and read 12139 times.

Hainan's new 787 [B-2722] arriving at KFTW yesterday, good to see them flying again:

http://youtu.be/0Xm-1hq_0mI

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-04-26 07:54:15 and read 11983 times.

Quoting caetravlr (Reply 193):

frames spend about 10 days in Fort Worth before flying back to CHS.

Cheers
A

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-04-26 08:15:17 and read 11941 times.

Quoting caetravlr (Reply 193):
I know I would probably know this if I had been paying more attention, but about how long does it take for it to get painted and then for it to get back to CHS? I am quite excited to see something besides AI on the flightline here! It was exciting enough to see the blue tail among the red, but seeing that bird fully painted should be amazing.
Quoting frigatebird (Reply 191):
Is AI now back in the running to take their 787s again? I have been away from internet the first 3 months of 2013, so I might have missed some news during that period.

They need them. They'll bitch and moan about compensation and Boeig will give it to them but they need these airplanes especially in light of the Ethiad/Jet Airways deal in order to reduce operating costs and to open up new routes. They were using it (until the grounding) on the FRA route and the airplane turned a money losing route into a profitable one.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: NYC777
Posted 2013-04-26 08:16:07 and read 11960 times.

Expect the first 787-9 to enter final assembly around May 31st in 40-24.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-26 08:22:20 and read 11944 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 196):
They need them. They'll bitch and moan about compensation and Boeig will give it to them but they need these airplanes especially in light of the Ethiad/Jet Airways deal in order to reduce operating costs and to open up new routes. They were using it (until the grounding) on the FRA route and the airplane turned a money losing route into a profitable one.

Additionally, AI want to sell those frames asap and then lease them back to bring in sufficient cash flows.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: caetravlr
Posted 2013-04-26 09:04:29 and read 11862 times.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 195):

Thank you!

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 196):
They need them. They'll bitch and moan about compensation and Boeig will give it to them but they need these airplanes especially in light of the Ethiad/Jet Airways deal in order to reduce operating costs and to open up new routes. They were using it (until the grounding) on the FRA route and the airplane turned a money losing route into a profitable one.

I think the bitching and the moaning about the compensation is also another reason I am looking forward to seeing some other liveries on the flight line here. However, the fact that they are able to use them and that the plane takes them a step closer to being a viable operation is a very good thing. I am excited to think that I could be anywhere in the world and see planes that were assembled right down the road.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-04-28 16:29:08 and read 11207 times.

JAL ZA184 (89) off on it's B-1:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE184

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-04-28 22:50:35 and read 10931 times.

Two pieces of exciting news. Looks like we see why there has been movement on the China aircraft and NH is scheduling 787 flights June 1.

"China's aviation regulator will likely grant approval next month for Boeing Co.'s (BA) 787 aircraft to begin commercial service with the nation's airlines, according to the chairman of China's fourth-biggest carrier, Hainan Airlines Co"

http://www.foxbusiness.com/news/2013...worthiness-certificate-for-boeing/

http://washpost.bloomberg.com/Story?...JTSE801-4KBO7E5V1K6NVNJ15IMOMRMC75

tortugamon

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-04-28 23:20:56 and read 11040 times.

From the Washington Post article regarding ANA:

"The airline expects to receive 10 more planes in the year to March and will assign the next delivery to expanding domestic routes, he told reporters after the flight."

From all things 787 it looks like ANA has the following slots:

5 complete aircraft with & without the battery fixes in varying levels of flight testing
7 aircraft awaiting fixing at the EMC
6 aircraft that are pre LN 148 that are not yet complete but should enter the production line by September

IMO Boeing delivering 10 of these aircraft in the next 12 months appears to be manageable to me with maybe some flexibility built in here. Its also interesting that these new aircraft would go on domestic routes.

tortugamon

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-04-28 23:44:52 and read 10973 times.

In regard to the China birds hkcanadaexpat has laid out the units that are most ready to go:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 190):
i) B-2727 (China Southern #1)
ii) B-2725 (China Southern #2)
iii) B-2728 (Hainan Airlines #1)
iv) B-2729 (Hainan Airlines #2)*

After that, there appears to be 7 other aircraft without battery fixes but in various levels of flight testing that could be made ready to go in the coming weeks/months. This could free up a lot of room in Everett.

tortugamon

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-29 01:51:11 and read 10773 times.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 202):
IMO Boeing delivering 10 of these aircraft in the next 12 months appears to be manageable

Of course, they took delivery of about the same amount in 2012.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 202):
7 aircraft awaiting fixing at the EMC

Those birds are still sitting in storage and it takes at least 8 months to rework them. According to some rumors, ANA won't take those early birds anymore. Based on this information I expect they will get new builds only.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-04-29 02:39:00 and read 10701 times.

These are the 10 birds ANA will receive between now and fiscal year end (31 March 2014):

1) LN 83 / ZA 512 / JA-818A (May 2013)
2) LN 97 / ZA 513 / JA-819A (May/June 2013)
3) LN 101 / ZA 120 / JA-820A (June 2013)
4) LN 107 / ZA 514 / JA-821A (June/July 2013)
5) LN 110 / ZA 121 / JA-822A (July 2013)
6) LN 120 / ZA 122 / JA-823A (August 2013)
7) LN 132 / ZA 515 / JA-824A (November/December 2013)
8) LN 140 / ZA 123 / JA-825A (January/February 2014) * Charleston
9) LN 147 / ZA 124 / JA-827A (January/February 2014)
10) LN 148 / ZA 516 / JA-828A (January/February 2014)

There's been a lot of heresay about whether the ZAs refer to domestic (500s) vs international (100s) configuration but nothing has even been proven, at least not to me.

Cheers
A

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-29 03:54:31 and read 10592 times.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 205):
There's been a lot of heresay about whether the ZAs refer to domestic (500s) vs international (100s) configuration but nothing has even been proven, at least not to me.

I'm not sure if I understand your question entirely, but this is what Jon Ostrower once explained about the ANA frames:

- ZA500+: 335 seat high density configuration
- ZA101-114: 264 seat configuration
- ZA115+: long-range 158 seat configuration

And than there is the odd duck ZA135, the only one with a 222 seat configuration.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-04-29 04:03:24 and read 10558 times.

Looks like NH is going to run 2-4 test flights per day beginning tomorrow (I didn't see much movement today so I'm not sure if they took off or not) but they will be pretty consistent with the pattern NH flew the other day- 2 hours

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-04-29 04:12:52 and read 10549 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 207):

JA-809A did two round trips HND-CTS-HND today.

Cheers
A

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-04-29 06:39:28 and read 10404 times.

For those of you also wondering why Norwegian's first 787 still has no regs on it despite it being in full paint, the answer lies in the attached...

http://theforeigner.no/pages/news/ai...ies-powerless-over-norwegian-move/

Cheers
A

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-04-29 07:08:29 and read 10282 times.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 208):
JA-809A did two round trips HND-CTS-HND today.

Sounds good, I saw your post in the other thread.

Over golden week I'm going to get over towards HND to try to catch them on FB. When are they typically taking off/landing?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-04-29 09:35:50 and read 10062 times.

GUN ZA380 (34) out on a B-2:


http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE380

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-04-29 09:52:30 and read 10035 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 204):
Based on this information I expect they will get new builds only.

I thought LN 22 had a chance to go to NH but it looks like Boeing passed it by when they pulled other earlier aircraft into the EMC. #22 isn't a terrible teen by definition.  

Based on what I see on All Things 787, do you guys agree with the following:
LN 10-19, 22 will not be going to the customers identified (7 for ANA, 2 LAN, 2 Air Maroc)
LN 20, 21, 25, 26, 28, 30, 36 will most likely be delivered to their identified customers (4 AI, 2 JAL, 1 CZ)

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 205):
These are the 10 birds ANA will receive between now and fiscal year end (31 March 2014):

I just realized the 11th new build I counted is actually a 787-9. Probably won't be receiving that before March 2014.

Are you surprised by the 14 (and counting) slots after the 4th -9 (#146) that are currently built into the production plan? It looks like they are building in some time (2+ Months) to incorporate lessons learned from the first four and the -8. Interesting.

tortugamon

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-04-29 11:31:15 and read 9865 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 170):

Say hi to the CHS flightline:

Ghad... Aren't there supposed to be Chinese aircraft parked there too? I see on "all things 787" a few Hainan birds at CHS as well as China Southern...

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 177):
- Traveled work on the 787 program now at zero.
- It cost Boeing 60% less to produce the 100th 787 vs the 8th 787 as production has stabilized.

Cutting the traveled work and rework really helped. I'm happy to see this. It removes the bottleneck at Boeing and shifts it to the vendors. Now to see how quickly they ramp up...

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 196):
They need them. They'll bitch and moan about compensation and Boeig will give it to them but they need these airplanes especially in light of the Ethiad/Jet Airways deal in order to reduce operating costs and to open up new routes.

The EY/9W doesn't help AI's costs at all.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 197):

Expect the first 787-9 to enter final assembly around May 31st in 40-24.

Thank you. That is exciting. With the reduced 'traveling work,' that will let the main line do its job and the 'surge line' can do prototypes. However, I fully expect the 'surge line' to be used to ramp production above ten per month. The question is when...

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 205):

These are the 10 birds ANA will receive between now and fiscal year end (31 March 2014):

Thank you. That is an amazing list. I'm looking forward to 787 deliveries hitting their stride.

Lightaber

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-29 15:05:43 and read 9618 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 213):
Ghad... Aren't there supposed to be Chinese aircraft parked there too? I see on "all things 787" a few Hainan birds at CHS as well as China Southern...

Hi lightsaber,

Of the 6 birds on the flightline, 2 are for Air India (1 painted, 1 red tail), 3 for Hainan Airlines (3 other red tails) and 1 for China Southern (the blue tail).

[Edited 2013-04-29 15:06:37]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-29 15:15:41 and read 9633 times.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 212):
Based on what I see on All Things 787, do you guys agree with the following:
LN 10-19, 22 will not be going to the customers identified (7 for ANA, 2 LAN, 2 Air Maroc)

According the rumors going around:

- LAN will not take up LN10 and LN16
- ANA will not take up LN11, 12, 13, 14, 15 and 18 and probably LN22 too
- Royal Air Maroc will not take up LN 17 and LN19, it was reported that they will get better builds

Quote:
LN 20, 21, 25, 26, 28, 30, 36 will most likely be delivered to their identified customers (4 AI, 2 JAL, 1 CZ)

- LN20 and LN21 will definitely go to JAL, they kept reg JA821J and JA823J available for those frames
- LN25, 26, 28, 30 will definitely go to Air India
- LN36 should still go to CZ

[Edited 2013-04-29 15:20:39]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-04-29 16:00:39 and read 9478 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 215):
According the rumors going around:

Thanks KarelXWB for passing on the rumors on these frames. So it looks like we have 11 orphans that will need to find homes. It sounds like Lion Air & Transero may be the home for nine of these and maybe a couple BBJs along with LN 3-5 once -9 testing is complete. The fact that ZA006 is showing some movement in San Antonio makes me think there is already a plan for that frame. Correct me on any of this if you think differently. Otherwise that should do it. Thanks

tortugamon

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: carpethead
Posted 2013-04-29 19:04:03 and read 9259 times.

NH has posted on its website the planned modification schedule for the 787s already delivered.
The link is below and in English.

http://www.ana.co.jp/eng/aboutana/press/2013/130426.html

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 206):
And than there is the odd duck ZA135, the only one with a 222 seat configuration.

That's the one supposedly in the int'l regional configuration.
So all the ZA100s are int'l or hybrid configuration birds and the ZA500s domestic birds.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-04-29 19:44:40 and read 9151 times.

Quoting carpethead (Reply 217):
NH has posted on its website the planned modification schedule for the 787s already delivered.
The link is below and in English.

I read this link to mean that fixes to four NH aircraft should already be complete and at least four more should be complete by the end of the week.

tortugamon

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-30 00:07:14 and read 8930 times.

LN20 or LN21 finished change incorporation after spending at least 8 months inside the EMC. Enjoy the old JAL livery while it lasts, it will be repainted soon.


(picture uploaded by moonm)

[Edited 2013-04-30 00:11:27]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-30 00:57:14 and read 8812 times.

I did some research and I think the above one is JA823J / LN21.

LN20 always had its registration on it:



LN21 however never had a registration:

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-30 07:21:23 and read 8519 times.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 216):
Thanks KarelXWB for passing on the rumors on these frames. So it looks like we have 11 orphans that will need to find homes. It sounds like Lion Air & Transero may be the home for nine of these and maybe a couple BBJs along with LN 3-5 once -9 testing is complete. The fact that ZA006 is showing some movement in San Antonio makes me think there is already a plan for that frame. Correct me on any of this if you think differently. Otherwise that should do it. Thanks

I believe ZA006 will become a BBJ indeed.

There are 3 customers in line for the terrible teens: Batik Air (5), Transaero (4) and RwandAir (2). That's a total of 11 frames, exactly the amount of the rejected frames (LN10 - LN19 and LN22 = 11 frames).

[Edited 2013-04-30 07:25:40]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-30 07:47:39 and read 8431 times.

LN90 B1 flight plan pops up:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...2/history/20130430/1700Z/KPAE/KMWH

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-04-30 09:36:53 and read 8172 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 220):
I did some research and I think the above one is JA823J / LN21

Great spot.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 221):
There are 3 customers in line for the terrible teens: Batik Air (5), Transaero (4) and RwandAir (2)

Thanks. It is interesting that only two of the 11 have GE engines which makes me think those would be the ones to go to RwandAir so all three customers would have commonality. However, these birds have been pulled into the EMC already and RwandAir is said to be looking for delivery in 2015/2016 on the non-firm order so I am not sure that works out. Now that JA823J is out of the EMC I wonder which aircraft will replace it.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 222):
LN90 B1 flight plan pops up:

So it looks like there are at least 7 aircraft with the battery fix in place: LN: 34, 76, 81, 83, 86, 89, and 90. 1 for CZ, LOT, ANA, JAL, IA, and 2 for Hainan. These appear to be very similar to what hkcanadaexpat laid out in #190. It appears to me that they seem to be focusing on trying to get one new aircraft ready for as many customers as possible before going back and working on each customer's second, third, and earlier frames. LN92 (ZA317 - BY #1) would get the fix soon if that was the strategy but as they announced today that they will be starting flights Jul 8 I am not sure that timing works out quite right.

tortugamon

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-04-30 10:38:35 and read 8066 times.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 223):
Thanks. It is interesting that only two of the 11 have GE engines which makes me think those would be the ones to go to RwandAir so all three customers would have commonality. However, these birds have been pulled into the EMC already and RwandAir is said to be looking for delivery in 2015/2016 on the non-firm order so I am not sure that works out.

The planes in storage don't have engines attached, swapping the pylon to fit another type of engine should not be an issue.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 223):
Now that JA823J is out of the EMC I wonder which aircraft will replace it.

They usually start from the top so I expect LN26 to go inside next and LN22 should be towed towards the EMC.

LN20 should also roll out soon, I believe it went inside last September 2012.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-04-30 14:40:10 and read 7946 times.

Now that AIN ZA242 (90) has completed it's B-1 it looks like TUI ZA 317 (92) is going to give it a try -- if not today, tomorrow:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE317

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-04-30 18:03:57 and read 7786 times.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 223):
LN92 (ZA317 - BY #1) would get the fix soon if that was the strategy
Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 225):
it looks like TUI ZA 317 (92) is going to give it a try -- if not today, tomorrow:

It looks like LN 92 is in the air at this moment and I think that helps us to determine Boeing's strategy. IMO they must be spreading these anticipated deliveries across multiple customers on purpose. If the strategy continues then QR LN 99 (A7-BCD) or ET-AOO would be next. The next new customer after TUI is DY LN 102 (ZA 576) who originally expected the aircraft in April followed by the BA bird at LN108 who expected delivery in May. The later they go the more pre flight prep might still need to be done but this could be a good way to reduce any talks about grounding/delay compensation to only a handful of carriers if they can come close to the expectations (e.g. DY) or actually meet those expectations (e.g. BA) from their original guidance on some of these later initial customers. New customers could help turn the PR as well.

Also, I would imagine customers with grounded aircraft in the field have their hands full at the moment anyway as they are trying to train/schedule/initialize service for their aircraft in the field and deliveries are no the highest priority. Getting these aircraft ready they can start the clock on their customers to come and get their new planes and take the onus off of them a little bit. If customers come for their C1 or start to schedule it, Boeing can then prepare that customer's 2nd, 3rd aircraft if that necessary. This spreads out and lowers the risks while improving short term cash flow.

This is complete speculation on my part. I could be way off.

tortugamon

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-04-30 19:12:52 and read 7735 times.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 226):

This is unfortunately not the strategy... Its generally based on production order with a few exceptions for customers not ready to take their frames for xyz reason (ie. the Chinese frames + SP-LRD/LRE)

Based on current positions and movements, the next first flights should be:

LN 94 / ZA 318 / G-TUIB (TUI Plc)
LN 97 / ZA 513 / JA-819A (All Nippon Airways)
LN 98 / ZA 185 / JA-834J (Japan Airlines)
LN 99 / ZA 465 / A7-BCD (Qatar Airways)
LN 101 / ZA 120 / Ja-820A (All Nippon Airways)

Cheers
A

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-04-30 20:03:06 and read 7668 times.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 227):
This is unfortunately not the strategy

And I thought I was on to something.    It seemed like way too many coincidences. It isn't just the LOT and Chinese birds. It appears they have not done the fix for LN 32 and 72 but then they did it for LN 90. Maybe that is just due to Charleston not getting quite up to speed yet or they need to move aircraft around and does not have to do with AI as a customer. It also seemed odd that they would fix the battery on some Chinese aircraft (34, 76, 81) and not yet on others (43, 73) if they did not think they were going to be able to deliver them...and then they seemed to jump to the TUI bird. Anyway, I will stop over thinking it. Thanks for the updates.

tortugamon

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-04-30 20:15:36 and read 7630 times.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 228):

I think what you need to remember is that some (if not most) of these aircrafts are conducting test flights without full battery fix having been done. Boeing has confirmed that LN 76 and 81 have been flying without full battery fix hence the same can be deducted for the other frames (except for SP-LRC which has been confirmed to have the fix).

Boeing has stated time and time again that the 50 delivered aircraft would get the battery fix first, before the production aircraft, which, under FAA regulations, could continue test flights without having the full fix (some fixes + continuous monitoring required). For LN 76 and 81, Boeing has said the full fixes would occur before delivery.

So assuming that all those flying from Everett and Charleston have had the fix is wrong at this stage.

The Chinese frames remain a mystery but the rest has maintained some form of order with exception of SP-LRD/LRE which have been stored for now and their turn has been skipped.

Cheers
A

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-04-30 20:30:29 and read 7608 times.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 229):
So assuming that all those flying from Everett and Charleston have had the fix is wrong at this stage.

I am not sure how I missed that news. From the sounds of it most of these aircraft do not have the fix. Interesting. I am sure NYC777 is monitoring and will update the notes on All Things 787. Thank you

tortugamon

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-04-30 21:40:09 and read 7510 times.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 229):
Boeing has confirmed that LN 76 and 81 have been flying without full battery fix hence the same can be deducted for the other frames (except for SP-LRC which has been confirmed to have the fix).

I don't think that is necessarily true. The two airplanes you mentioned are CHS frames -- there is less manpower to do the battery fix and they need to fly away to paint which becomes a scheduling issue -- so there are reasons for them to fly without the fix. I could see LN 76 which is in paint at Fort Worth leaving there and going to SKF for the fix prior to returning to CHS (UA has one there already).

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 229):
Boeing has stated time and time again that the 50 delivered aircraft would get the battery fix first, before the production aircraft, which, under FAA regulations, could continue test flights without having the full fix (some fixes + continuous monitoring required).

Prior to "the break" the quality of the airplanes was really good (only one B flight) so depending on the requirements of any FCF that would have to be performed after the "installation" I don't think Boeing would be inclined to do B-1's then have the airplane sit for several weeks and then do it all over again. I think Boeing has one or two non-AOG teams at PAE working battery mods and that the 4 B-1's that have flown have all been modified -- until I see indications they haven't been. Boeing has stated deliveries will start in early May so if these aren't modified that won't be happening.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 227):
Quoting tortugamon (Reply 226):
This is unfortunately not the strategy... Its generally based on production order with a few exceptions for customers not ready to take their frames for xyz reason (ie. the Chinese frames + SP-LRD/LRE)

What "generally" happens doesn't apply under these circumstances. It's not Boeing dictating when airplanes are delivered it's the customers, especially those that have fleets of 787's they are trying to return to service. I think they're telling Boeing when they can take airplanes so they can smoothly enter the fleet. Similarly with new customers, if you planned on taking three over a three month period the last thing you want is all three next week. I like tortugamon's plan.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 229):
For LN 76 and 81, Boeing has said the full fixes would occur before delivery.

They can't occur after delivery.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: tortugamon
Posted 2013-05-01 23:54:45 and read 6707 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 224):
The planes in storage don't have engines attached,

Great point.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 231):
I like tortugamon's plan.

Even greater point  
Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 231):
I think they're telling Boeing when they can take airplanes so they can smoothly enter the fleet.

That makes sense to me as well. ANA has 200+ planned test flights and it looks light they have completed three test flights on 3/15 aircraft or 3/200+ flights planned. Chinese aircraft do not even have flight certificates in China although it appears imminent (again).

When it comes to deliveries QR, ET, BY, DY all appear anxious to get up in the air with their new aircraft ASAP, while the Chinese, Japanese, and the Poles have very different interests (and for very good reasons). It makes sense to concentrate Everett resources on the first group while making sure to be responsive to all customers set expectations. It t will be very obvious soon how Boeing proceeds.

If they do the fixes and flight tests in production order, as they have said they will do with the in-service aircraft, then there is very little room for customer complaint even if the birds go idle on the flight line. Maybe that is the intention.

tortugamon

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-03 05:18:43 and read 5953 times.

LN81 ferry flight to FTW today:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...3/history/20130503/1700Z/KCHS/KFTW

LN76 is in paint and will return to CHS today:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...1/history/20130503/2300Z/KFTW/KCHS

[Edited 2013-05-03 05:27:22]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: United787
Posted 2013-05-03 07:03:26 and read 5737 times.

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft in production, I recommend going to http://nyc787.blogspot.com/

DELIVERED TO DATE: 50 Aircraft to 8 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO 2013
NH-17; JL-7; UA–6; AI-5; QR-5; ET-4; LA-3; LO-2

2013 DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 54 - VT-ANJ – 3/28/2013 - AI #6

NEXT IN LINE FOR DELIVERY Rough Estimate - We won't really know until they are actually delivered...
L/N 83 - JA818A - x/xx/2013 - NH #18
L/N 72 - VT-ANM – x/xx/2013 - AI #7
L/N 43 - B-2727 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #1
L/N 73 - B-2728 – x/xx/2013 - HU #1
L/N 89 – JA830J – x/xx/2013 – JL #8
L/N 90 - VT-ANN – x/xx/2013 - AI #8
L/N 92 - G-TUIA – x/xx/2013 – BY #1
L/N 76 - B-2722 – x/xx/2013 - HU #2
L/N 34 – B-2725 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #2
L/N 81 - B-2723 – x/xx/2013 - HU #3
L/N 86 – SP-LRC – x/xx/2013 – LO #3
L/N 79 - B-2730 – x/xx/2013 - HU #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 87 - SP-LRD – x/xx/2013 – LO #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 88 - SP-LRE – x/xx/2013 – LO #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 93 - B-2733 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 94 - G-TUIB – x/xx/2013 – BY #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 95 - B-2734 – x/xx/2013 – CZ #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 85 - B–2732 - x/xx/2013 - HU #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 96 - G-TUIC – x/xx/2013 – BY #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 39 - ET-AOO – xx/xx/2013 - ET #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 97 - JA819A - x/xx/2013 - NH #19 Awaiting first flight
L/N 98 – JA831J – x/xx/2013 - JL #9 Awaiting first flight
L/N 99 - A7-BCD – x/xx/2013 - QR #6 Awaiting first flight
L/N 91 - VT-ANO – x/xx/2013 - AI #9 Awaiting first flight
L/N 100 - B-2735 – x/xx/2013 – CZ #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 101 - JA820A - x/xx/2013 - NH #20 Awaiting first flight
L/N 102 – LN-BKA - x/xx/2013 - DY #1 (ILFC) Awaiting first flight
L/N 103 - A7-BCE – x/xx/2013 - QR #7 Awaiting first flight
L/N 105 – JA832J – x/xx/2013 - JL #10 Awaiting first flight
L/N 32 - VT-ANG – x/xx/2013 - AI #10 Awaiting first flight
L/N 106 - G-TUID – x/xx/2013 – BY #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 107 - JA821A - x/xx/2013 - NH #21 Awaiting first flight
L/N 108 – G-ZBJA - x/xx/2013 - BA #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 110 - JA822A - x/xx/2013 - NH #22 Awaiting first flight
L/N 111 – G-ZBJB - x/xx/2013 - BA #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 112 – LN-BKB - x/xx/2013 - DY #2 (ILFC) Awaiting first flight
L/N 21 – JA823J – x/xx/2013 - JL #11 Awaiting first flight

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-05-03 07:09:36 and read 5722 times.

Another B1 flight: ZA318, the second frame for Thomson.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...8/history/20130503/1600Z/KPAE/KMWH

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13
Username: 777ER
Posted 2013-05-03 07:29:32 and read 5679 times.

787 Production/delivery Thread Part 14 (by 777ER May 3 2013 in Civil Aviation)


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