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Topic: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: pqdtw
Posted 2013-04-15 00:21:06 and read 19550 times.

According to Flightaware, N801NW, the first A333 to get modified with lie fats in Business Elite, relocated lavatories and new galleys has landed in ATL as of 10:23 pm on Sunday, April 14 from SIN via ANC.

Internally the new code used to designate the modified ships will be 3L3 for the -300 and 3L2 for the -200.

Wondering how many days this ship will stay in ATL before it's placed into service, and what the first route will be...

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: panamair
Posted 2013-04-15 02:27:17 and read 19273 times.

The first A330-200 also went in for the mods about one month ago; N851NW should be out within the next 2-3 weeks. After that, the next A330s won't be going in for the mods until after the busy summer season.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: Roberts975
Posted 2013-04-15 06:20:10 and read 18733 times.

Approximately how long are the aircraft OOS for the interior mods? One would think that the A330s would be less involved that the 767-300s as they already have AVOD throughout the economy cabin and extremely spacious overhead bins.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: cokepopper
Posted 2013-04-15 06:25:15 and read 18706 times.

The new galleys may take longer ?

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: MIflyer12
Posted 2013-04-15 06:33:37 and read 18664 times.

Quoting Roberts975 (Reply 2):
Approximately how long are the aircraft OOS for the interior mods? One would think that the A330s would be less involved that the 767-300s as they already have AVOD throughout the economy cabin and extremely spacious overhead bins.

The A330s are also getting new seats and larger video monitors in coach. The mod isn't just lie-flats in Business.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2013-04-15 06:41:17 and read 18595 times.

Quoting pqdtw (Thread starter):
Wondering how many days this ship will stay in ATL before it's placed into service, and what the first route will be...

3301's first flight will be ATL-DTW tomorrow then DTW-AMS the following day.

From what Delta put out if anyone was interested...

BusinessElite

•34 seats which convert to a 180º full flat bed, each with direct aisle access, and each 25% wider than the angled flat seat they replace
•A 110v AC power source + USB power at each seat
•15.4” IFE screens at each seat (65% larger than the screens they replace)
Economy Comfort

•32 seats at 35”pitch
•110V AC in-seat power source + USB power
•9” IFE screens at each seat
Economy

•227 (on A333) or 168 (on A332) slim-line seats which offer adjustable headrests, USB power and more personal space
•9” IFE screens at each seat
Each modified aircraft will feature the Panasonic eX2 IFE system, which offers over a thousand entertainment options including 350 movies, hundreds of hours of TV, HBO and Showtime content, 5,000 digital songs and dozens of games

[Edited 2013-04-15 06:45:51]

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: nantoine
Posted 2013-04-15 08:09:23 and read 18295 times.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5):
3301's first flight will be ATL-DTW tomorrow then DTW-AMS the following day

For DTW-AMS, seems like DL234 on Wednesday (Delta.com shows 1-2-1 on the seatmap)

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: Atlflyer
Posted 2013-04-15 08:56:19 and read 18053 times.

Are the seats in the A330 the same as the seats in the 747?

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: joost
Posted 2013-04-15 09:04:49 and read 17988 times.

The design of the Cirrus Business Class seats is still amazing. Apparantly, DL is able to put 34 full-flat seats with 100% aisle access in the same space as 34 traditional, 2-2-2- configured, lie-flat seats.

Of course, the fuselage of the 330 is also helpful, as it provides a perfect match for these seats. In the 747, much space is wasted, especially on the upper deck (only 14 full-flat seats).

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: PIEAvantiP180
Posted 2013-04-15 09:30:06 and read 17846 times.

Does anybody have any pictures that they can share with us or a link to where they might be available onthe net?

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: DL_Mech
Posted 2013-04-15 12:17:36 and read 17378 times.

Quoting Roberts975 (Reply 2):
One would think that the A330s would be less involved that the 767-300s as they already have AVOD throughout the economy cabin

Remember that they are installing a totally new system, so there is much more on the A330 to "de-mod" before installing the new system. Nothing from the previous system gets re-used.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: 1337Delta764
Posted 2013-04-15 12:58:25 and read 17219 times.

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 10):
Remember that they are installing a totally new system, so there is much more on the A330 to "de-mod" before installing the new system. Nothing from the previous system gets re-used.

Yep, exactly. The Panasonic eX2 system weighs much less, has larger screens, and has a lot more storage capacity than the existing 3000i system. The seats in Y are the B/E Aerospace Pinnacle with Panasonic Eco 9i Integrated Smart Monitors.

Quoting Atlflyer (Reply 7):
Are the seats in the A330 the same as the seats in the 747?

The flat-bed J seats are the same (Weber Cirrus), however, the Y seats are different (B/E Aerospace Pinnacle, vs. Weber 5751 on the 744).

[Edited 2013-04-15 13:01:50]

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: burnsie28
Posted 2013-04-15 14:34:09 and read 16266 times.

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 3):
The new galleys may take longer ?

Plus the FDA clearance.

Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 9):
Does anybody have any pictures that they can share with us or a link to where they might be available onthe net?

Look at the 747, they are the same seat that is on the 747.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: n515cr
Posted 2013-04-15 14:43:29 and read 16156 times.

Looks like N816NW, another A333, may be in for mod.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N816NW

[Edited 2013-04-15 14:54:20]

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: 1337Delta764
Posted 2013-04-15 15:15:26 and read 15716 times.

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 12):
Look at the 747, they are the same seat that is on the 747.

J yes (Weber Cirrus), Y no (B/E Aerospace Pinnacle, not Weber 5751). The Y seats are the same model as on UA's 764ERs.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: zmp0psa
Posted 2013-04-15 15:24:23 and read 15576 times.

It appears this is replacing the 1x daily 777 DTW-AMS. Anyone know where that 777 went?

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: redzeppelin
Posted 2013-04-15 16:10:47 and read 15015 times.

Here are a few pics of the 747 installation of the J seat:

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Photo © Yochai Mossi - AirTeamImages


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Photo © Chris Burns

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2013-04-15 17:50:13 and read 13968 times.

Quoting nantoine (Reply 6):
For DTW-AMS, seems like DL234 on Wednesday (Delta.com shows 1-2-1 on the seatmap)

Which would be correct..that would be its second revenue flight as I posted. First one being ATL-DTW tomorrow evening.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: alitalia744
Posted 2013-04-15 17:57:43 and read 13901 times.

Delta really had an opportunity to make the J cabin inviting with these retrofits and instead went with what appears to look like a hospital waiting room from the colors and lighting.

How sad.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: n7371f
Posted 2013-04-15 18:50:47 and read 13343 times.

Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 18):
Delta really had an opportunity to make the J cabin inviting with these retrofits and instead went with what appears to look like a hospital waiting room from the colors and lighting.

How sad.

Well supposedly DL is rolling out an enhanced interior with brighter bulkheads and on some planes a different hue of blue leather. I've yet to see it and I've yet to hear from anyone at TOC that the first aircraft has been done. Lately on the domestic fleet the move is to yank out solid bulkheads between first and coach and replace with a cloth divider, which doesn't play into this whole interior refresh idea.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2013-04-15 18:57:22 and read 13286 times.

Quoting n7371f (Reply 19):

Well supposedly DL is rolling out an enhanced interior with brighter bulkheads and on some planes a different hue of blue leather. I've yet to see it and I've yet to hear from anyone at TOC that the first aircraft has been done. Lately on the domestic fleet the move is to yank out solid bulkheads between first and coach and replace with a cloth divider, which doesn't play into this whole interior refresh idea.

they have a 737 that was the test bird(can't remember the ship number) that has been flying for a while.

Also I know for sure they have at least one M90 done (915 IIRC). It has the new bulk heads/carpet and the lights have been replaced with LEDs. (I did not see the seats as they went in during the week.)

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: klkla
Posted 2013-04-15 19:04:01 and read 13220 times.

Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 18):
Delta really had an opportunity to make the J cabin inviting with these retrofits and instead went with what appears to look like a hospital waiting room from the colors and lighting.

How sad.

It looks better in person. The blue is actually calming in person but in photos it does tend to look cheap.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: gaystudpilot
Posted 2013-04-15 20:20:03 and read 12560 times.

Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 18):
Delta really had an opportunity to make the J cabin inviting with these retrofits and instead went with what appears to look like a hospital waiting room from the colors and lighting.

How sad.
Quoting klkla (Reply 21):
It looks better in person. The blue is actually calming in person but in photos it does tend to look cheap.

The Y cabin looks fine. The J cabin does look cheap, cold, plastic-y. I think it's more of a choice of materials than color scheme. Blue, gray, and white could work with better materials, finishes, accents. Perhaps a little brushed aluminum, branding, etc.

Interestingly, NH has a similar scheme that looks equally cold and cheap. It doesn't seem to get as many negative comments though.

Quoting n7371f (Reply 19):
Well supposedly DL is rolling out an enhanced interior with brighter bulkheads and on some planes a different hue of blue leather.
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 20):
they have a 737 that was the test bird(can't remember the ship number) that has been flying for a while.

There are photos of branding on the bulkhead and bulkhead wall covering that emulates the textured wall seen behind the reception desk of the Sky Clubs.

The blue leather is "Delta signature blue." How are they changing the hue? Darker? In both cabins or just J?

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2013-04-15 20:29:28 and read 12480 times.

Quoting gaystudpilot (Reply 22):

There are photos of branding on the bulkhead and bulkhead wall covering that emulates the textured wall seen behind the reception desk of the Sky Clubs.

they its that 3D pointy thing they use in the SCs. its...eh. new

Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 18):

It looks 100 times better in real life. It is a little blah though.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: olddominion727
Posted 2013-04-15 20:44:56 and read 12365 times.

I wonder if they are updating in stages. I flew a 752 SFO-ATL r/t in F class and the outbound was crisp and sharp with new LED in F class only. Coach still had old lighting, and the 752 on the return was old lighting in both cabins. But the LED was awesome

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: cmb320
Posted 2013-04-15 21:57:54 and read 12408 times.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: jfidler
Posted 2013-04-15 22:23:09 and read 12091 times.

These look great. Does anyone have information on the % of planes in their fleet which have been upgraded? I think UA (might have been PMUA) used to have a nice page on their site showing each aircraft type and the % upgraded to the new business class so far.

I normally fly AC business class on my long-haul flights to Asia, but I'd be willing to switch to DL to cut back on the number of immigration procedures involved, and especially for DL's new seat.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: questions
Posted 2013-04-15 23:08:33 and read 12140 times.

Thanks cmb320!

Looks like they decided to get rid of the gray insert in the F seat. Much better.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2013-04-16 00:21:39 and read 11811 times.

Quoting cmb320 (Reply 25):

there we go. that 3D point is the same thing used in the new SCs.

Quoting jfidler (Reply 26):
These look great. Does anyone have information on the % of planes in their fleet which have been upgraded? I think UA (might have been PMUA) used to have a nice page on their site showing each aircraft type and the % upgraded to the new business class so far.

Delta had a page on Delta.com for the flat bed, EC and wifi mods. I can't seem to find it now though. (had a % break down kind thing)

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: MIflyer12
Posted 2013-04-16 07:03:53 and read 11175 times.

Quoting jfidler (Reply 26):
Does anyone have information on the % of planes in their fleet which have been upgraded? I think UA (might have been PMUA) used to have a nice page on their site showing each aircraft type and the % upgraded to the new business class so far.

There's a thread in this forum discussing progress on the 767-300ER; 35 of 58 complete and back in service.

DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule Part 2 (by MaddogJT8D Jan 9 2013 in Civil Aviation)

100% of the 18 777-200LR and 777-200ER are done.

100% of the 16 747-400s are done

100% of the 21 767-400ERs are done

IIRC, 2 of the 32 A330-200 and A330-300 are done.

[Edited 2013-04-16 07:08:10]

[Edited 2013-04-16 07:09:16]

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: n7371f
Posted 2013-04-16 07:49:50 and read 11015 times.

Quoting cmb320 (Reply 25):

Pics look great. Not going to translate nearly as well to the scores of 88's, 90's, 319/320's and now 73W's that have the little cloth divider that drops from the overhead panel between last first class row and front of coach.

Quoting olddominion727 (Reply 24):
I wonder if they are updating in stages. I flew a 752 SFO-ATL r/t in F class and the outbound was crisp and sharp with new LED in F class only. Coach still had old lighting, and the 752 on the return was old lighting in both cabins. But the LED was awesome

Hard to gauge on the 757 fleet -- it's all over the place. Not only are there numerous configurations, there are many more that certain interior enhancements and those that don't.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: cmb320
Posted 2013-04-16 07:57:53 and read 10944 times.

Not sure what the status is on the domestic fleet. Been receiving conflicting information. One senior leader has said it's a go, another one said it's not. One didn't even know about it LOL. There is one MD90 flying around (original Delta ship) with the new slimline seats in Y, added power in FC, new dark carpet, LED reading lights and new bulkhead design. Haven't seen it. I've worked a few aircraft in the last month that had the new dark carpet but no other improvements (75N and a couple MD88's). I must say, even the darker carpet made a huge improvement.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: burnsie28
Posted 2013-04-16 08:33:48 and read 10856 times.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 20):
they have a 737 that was the test bird(can't remember the ship number) that has been flying for a while.

IIRC it was 3751

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: timf
Posted 2013-04-16 11:22:01 and read 10654 times.

Not sure about 3751 but I know for sure 3752 is. Flew on it 2 weeks ago and thought it looked nice, but the changes compared to the standard interior are subtle.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: 1337Delta764
Posted 2013-04-16 11:53:34 and read 10585 times.

Quoting timf (Reply 33):
Not sure about 3751 but I know for sure 3752 is. Flew on it 2 weeks ago and thought it looked nice, but the changes compared to the standard interior are subtle.

I actually was lucky enough to fly on it last year on PHX-JFK. It was fairly nice.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2013-04-16 21:49:04 and read 10071 times.

Quoting cmb320 (Reply 31):
Not sure what the status is on the domestic fleet. Been receiving conflicting information. One senior leader has said it's a go, another one said it's not. One didn't even know about it LOL. There is one MD90 flying around (original Delta ship) with the new slimline seats in Y, added power in FC, new dark carpet, LED reading lights and new bulkhead design. Haven't seen it.

the 90 is ship 915. (N915DN)

I believe she left TOC two weeks ago done. Should be another coming out soon. (don't have a ship number)

(i don't remember LED reading lights though. I know the main lights have been changed from fluorescent lights to LED bars.)

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: factsonly
Posted 2013-04-17 00:26:02 and read 9923 times.

Quoting zmp0psa (Reply 15):

It appears this is replacing the 1x daily 777 DTW-AMS. Anyone know where that 777 went?
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5):

3301's first flight will be ATL-DTW tomorrow then DTW-AMS the following day.

The last scheduled DL B772 flight departed DTW on DL248 for AMS on 15 April, it was replaced by A332 N861NW on 16 April.

Thus far refurbished A333 N801NW has not appeared on the DTW-AMS route yet, as DL234 of 16 April was operated by N820NW.

The B777-200 will return on DL 248/249 DTW-AMS-DTW for Summer season starting 31 May 2013.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: Aviaponcho
Posted 2013-04-17 02:35:02 and read 9811 times.

Nice retrofit

What is the new business elite seat on the A330 ? the same as the 777 or the same as the 767 ?

Thanks

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: toobz
Posted 2013-04-17 03:04:26 and read 9771 times.

As stated, J class will be the same as 747. Pics have been posted in this thread.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: Aviaponcho
Posted 2013-04-17 03:08:57 and read 9767 times.

Thank you toobz

Go for cirrus seats

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2013-04-17 04:58:11 and read 9616 times.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 20):
Also I know for sure they have at least one M90 done (915 IIRC). It has the new bulk heads/carpet and the lights have been replaced with LEDs. (I did not see the seats as they went in during the week.)
Quoting cmb320 (Reply 31):
There is one MD90 flying around (original Delta ship) with the new slimline seats in Y, added power in FC, new dark carpet, LED reading lights and new bulkhead design. Haven't seen it.
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 35):
the 90 is ship 915. (N915DN)

I believe she left TOC two weeks ago done. Should be another coming out soon. (don't have a ship number)

(i don't remember LED reading lights though. I know the main lights have been changed from fluorescent lights to LED bars.)

I was on N903DA on Monday and I'm fairly certain that it had the mods completed.
It definetely had the brand new slimline seats, LED lights, and carpet.

[Edited 2013-04-17 04:59:53]

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: michman
Posted 2013-04-17 07:48:45 and read 9429 times.

Quoting jfidler (Reply 26):
These look great. Does anyone have information on the % of planes in their fleet which have been upgraded? I think UA (might have been PMUA) used to have a nice page on their site showing each aircraft type and the % upgraded to the new business class so far.
http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...ices/products/product-updates.html

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2013-04-17 09:34:39 and read 9202 times.

Quoting factsonly (Reply 36):
Thus far refurbished A333 N801NW has not appeared on the DTW-AMS route yet, as DL234 of 16 April was operated by N820NW.

Notice I said it would operate DTW-AMS "the following day" which would be today the 17th..

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2013-04-17 10:16:44 and read 9115 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 40):

I was on N903DA on Monday and I'm fairly certain that it had the mods completed.
It definetely had the brand new slimline seats, LED lights, and carpet.

the mod is only suppose to take 7 days so its likely that at least two ships are done. I know 915 is done though. (also know another ship is in for mods)

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: cmb320
Posted 2013-04-17 12:45:12 and read 8914 times.

Wish they would start putting the slimlines on the 88

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: factsonly
Posted 2013-04-17 12:54:07 and read 8889 times.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 42):
Notice I said it would operate DTW-AMS "the following day" which would be today the 17th..

Indeed for April 18th, 2013 at AMS:

- AMS arr. 09:40 LT from Detroit DL 0234 / Airbus A330-300 / N801NW

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: panamair
Posted 2013-04-17 13:43:04 and read 8888 times.

From another website, someone provided the link to a bunch of pics of the new seats on N801NW:

http://imgur.com/a/SYbuI

Here are two pics of the BE cabin and one pic of the Y cabin:

N801NW BusinessElite front view


N801NW BusinessElite single seat


N801NW Economy

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: GSPSPOT
Posted 2013-04-17 14:46:43 and read 8623 times.

Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 18):
Delta really had an opportunity to make the J cabin inviting with these retrofits and instead went with what appears to look like a hospital waiting room from the colors and lighting.

How sad.

Deleted my response - saw pictures of upgraded DL cabins in the thread above.

[Edited 2013-04-17 14:54:13]

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: Atlflyer
Posted 2013-04-17 19:41:33 and read 8245 times.

These economy seats with extra padding and stitching look much better than some of the flat seats they have on other aircraft types. Also the speckled carpet looks nicer than just plain blue.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: n7371f
Posted 2013-04-17 19:52:46 and read 8192 times.

No adjustable headrests in BE? I could swear the 777 has them (or maybe I'm confusing it with UA).

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: max999
Posted 2013-04-17 20:28:09 and read 8167 times.

Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 18):

Delta really had an opportunity to make the J cabin inviting with these retrofits and instead went with what appears to look like a hospital waiting room from the colors and lighting.

I agree, DL could have chosen better colors and materials for business class. Compare DL's and CX's...same seat, but CX's cabin definitely looks more comfortable and more inviting.

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/9/6/1/2230169.jpg

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: toobz
Posted 2013-04-17 20:42:50 and read 8064 times.

Compare the costs of each seat lol. DL nor Any US airline commands the same J (C) yields CX does.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: Josh32121
Posted 2013-04-17 20:52:58 and read 8063 times.

Quoting toobz (Reply 51):
Compare the costs of each seat lol. DL nor Any US airline commands the same J (C) yields CX does.

It's the exact same model seat. That was the whole point. The only difference was the colors and seat material CX selected.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: toobz
Posted 2013-04-17 21:02:27 and read 8030 times.

I meant the cost of what each airline commands for a butt sitting in the seat. CX commands more money per J ticket than DL.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: questions
Posted 2013-04-17 22:14:08 and read 7954 times.

Quoting toobz (Reply 51):
Compare the costs of each seat lol. DL nor Any US airline commands the same J (C) yields CX does.
Quoting Josh32121 (Reply 52):
It's the exact same model seat. That was the whole point. The only difference was the colors and seat material CX selected.
Quoting Josh32121 (Reply 52):
I meant the cost of what each airline commands for a butt sitting in the seat. CX commands more money per J ticket than DL.

AA's new J seat is the same model as DL's and CX's and is trimmed out much closer to the CX seat.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2013-04-18 00:01:13 and read 7806 times.

Quoting toobz (Reply 53):

which would have what to do with the colors?

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: boswashsprstar
Posted 2013-04-18 02:20:48 and read 7705 times.

Quoting Josh32121 (Reply 52):

It's actually not the same seat -- note how the CX seat (and the DL 744 seat and the new AA seat) have a cabinet next to the upper part of the seat, which is part of what makes it so great, there is a ton of storage space on that seat. The cabinet door also makes for a privacy divider between the middle two seats, or closes to allow two people traveling together to talk to each other. The new DL A330 seat looks like some of that storage space is missing and possibly like the seat is a bit narrower (which would make sense given the narrower fuselage), and it looks like talking to your seatmate might be a bit of a pain in the middle seats. I'm sure it's still fine, but probably a bit closer to the more cramped DL 777 seat than the extremely spacious DL 744 seat despite the "reverse herringbone" layout.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: toobz
Posted 2013-04-18 04:14:27 and read 7568 times.

Wasn't referring to the color. Compare CX and DL seat by looking at the pic. Can u tell who spent more on it? CX I'm sure. It has a lot more amenities.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: XFSUgimpLB41X
Posted 2013-04-18 04:45:10 and read 7508 times.

The DL seat has the same ammenities, just more modern and smaller controls...(some via touch screen)

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: toobz
Posted 2013-04-18 05:28:09 and read 7408 times.

ok well I was just going by the pic. I'm very familiar with DLs version. Never flown CX so can't really comment on their J seat. To me, CX model LOOKS nicer but I guess I could be wrong!
And for the record, I wasn't being negative about the DL product. It's a hell of a lot better than the awful ex Nw product.

[Edited 2013-04-18 05:34:20]

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: jetlanta
Posted 2013-04-18 05:35:47 and read 7413 times.

Quoting Josh32121 (Reply 52):
It's the exact same model seat. That was the whole point. The only difference was the colors and seat material CX selected.

While it is indeed basically the same seat, Delta's CAPEX budget doesn't provide for some the optional features that other carriers spring for. You could have a healthy debate as to what the ROI of those features is. For a carrier like CX, is suspect those frills are vital to the brand. For Delta, I'm not so sure.

I'd love for Delta is spec out the seats to the max, but frankly, I'm usually asleep for the majority of a long haul flight anyway. If saving CAPEX on some of the seat frills allows DL to invest in other things (like new terminals, SkyClubs, International wi-fi, etc...) AND still make a healthy profit, then its hard to argue with the philosophy.

That said, I'm with Alitalia744, I wish they'd taken the opportunity to move away from the hospital look.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: LDVAviation
Posted 2013-04-18 08:00:35 and read 7199 times.

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 60):
That said, I'm with Alitalia744, I wish they'd taken the opportunity to move away from the hospital look.

To get a look like AA's or CX's, Delta would have to stop relying on their own managers/accountants to make these type of decisions.

Once there are just three legacy carriers, they will find themselves competing more and more on the quality of their products and delivery methods. With their J&F product on the 773, AA seems to finally get it. With United, they've sort of taken a step back with the Continental-style, not as bad as the hospital look, but still boring and conservative. As for Delta, it has been perfecting the "hospital look" for quite some time.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: GSPSPOT
Posted 2013-04-18 10:21:32 and read 7064 times.

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 61):
To get a look like AA's or CX's, Delta would have to stop relying on their own managers/accountants to make these type of decisions.

Once there are just three legacy carriers, they will find themselves competing more and more on the quality of their products and delivery methods. With their J&F product on the 773, AA seems to finally get it. With United, they've sort of taken a step back with the Continental-style, not as bad as the hospital look, but still boring and conservative. As for Delta, it has been perfecting the "hospital look" for quite some time.

What would be so difficult or expensive about upholstering or splashing a little color at least on the bulkheads?  

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2013-04-18 10:36:48 and read 6958 times.

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 61):
Once there are just three legacy carriers, they will find themselves competing more and more on the quality of their products and delivery methods. With their J&F product on the 773, AA seems to finally get it. With United, they've sort of taken a step back with the Continental-style, not as bad as the hospital look, but still boring and conservative. As for Delta, it has been perfecting the "hospital look" for quite some time.

But the new look is much better than the old. At least they have "something" going on. Carpet looks better and the bulk heads has some kind of something on them now. (im not overly in love with the 3d point thing)

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 61):

To get a look like AA's or CX's, Delta would have to stop relying on their own managers/accountants to make these type of decisions.

or just hire someone who isn't color blind.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: jetlanta
Posted 2013-04-18 12:12:09 and read 6797 times.

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 61):
To get a look like AA's or CX's, Delta would have to stop relying on their own managers/accountants to make these type of decisions.

Once there are just three legacy carriers, they will find themselves competing more and more on the quality of their products and delivery methods. With their J&F product on the 773, AA seems to finally get it. With United, they've sort of taken a step back with the Continental-style, not as bad as the hospital look, but still boring and conservative. As for Delta, it has been perfecting the "hospital look" for quite some time.
Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 61):
What would be so difficult or expensive about upholstering or splashing a little color at least on the bulkheads?  

Cloth vs. Leather and color of the carpet are not expense-related decisions. Thats where a little design creativity would go a long way. I think the answer to that is that Delta is really concerned about maintaining a consistent brand at the highest levels of management. But consistent doesn't always mean appealing. Rather then re-doing everything, they are sticking with the look they've already established.

On the other hand, the seat "options" like additional storage space, massage rollers, hair dryers,toaster ovens, etc...all add to the CAPEX cost very quickly. At Delta, Finance gives Marketing a CAPEX budget. Marketing works backwards from there. Paying for that stuff means trading off something like winged headrests in coach. So there is a balance that has to be achieved. It may be different at other carriers, but its hard to argue that some of the carriers that are springing for more frills have been better managed over the past 5-6 years.

At the end of the day, it is going to be about comfort. People (including myself) who have flown on Delta's very generic looking 767 lie-flat product will tell you that it is one of the most comfortable business class seats they've ever been in. Personally, I find it light years more comfortable (at 6'3", 220lbs) than any other product I've flown. This includes all three Middle East giants. I understand Cathay's product is fantastic, but Delta simply doesn't compete against Cathay for much revenue, so that comparison isn't necessarily relevant.

I agree that AA's cabins look nice. But I also know that AA is taking a $450M "hit" on labor (primarily wages for US people) with this merger. They are also going to be carrying 20,000 more employees than UA or DL on almost exactly the same revenue base. If they don't get that sorted out pretty quick, they'll be cutting back on the frills soon enough.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: 1337Delta764
Posted 2013-04-18 12:26:23 and read 6767 times.

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 64):
Cloth vs. Leather and color of the carpet are not expense-related decisions. Thats where a little design creativity would go a long way. I think the answer to that is that Delta is really concerned about maintaining a consistent brand at the highest levels of management. But consistent doesn't always mean appealing. Rather then re-doing everything, they are sticking with the look they've already established.

Furthermore, most loyal DL FFs prefer leather over cloth, and DL does not want to alienate these loyal customers.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: LDVAviation
Posted 2013-04-18 12:51:16 and read 6702 times.

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 64):
Cloth vs. Leather and color of the carpet are not expense-related decisions. Thats where a little design creativity would go a long way. I think the answer to that is that Delta is really concerned about maintaining a consistent brand at the highest levels of management. But consistent doesn't always mean appealing. Rather then re-doing everything, they are sticking with the look they've already established.

The upholstery is not the only thing that is wrong with the fit and finish of this seat. Even if you changed the upholstery it would stand in stark contrast to the lack of texture/pattern/color on the plastic shell. In that sense, the blue leather was a wise choice given how bland the shell is.

Whatever the case, Delta has a history of doing things like this on the cheap. Call it consistency, if you will, but the seat still looks cheap.

By comparison, I would draw your attention to the new KLM business seat. Several airlines use the same seat, but KLM sought to give it a distinct appeal by playing with the color of the shell, both inside and out. That's great design for what I imagine is only a nominal cost increase per unit.

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 64):
I agree that AA's cabins look nice. But I also know that AA is taking a $450M "hit" on labor (primarily wages for US people) with this merger. They are also going to be carrying 20,000 more employees than UA or DL on almost exactly the same revenue base. If they don't get that sorted out pretty quick, they'll be cutting back on the frills soon enough.

This is wishful thinking. AA now has lower costs per ASM than Delta. Who would have imagined that?

[Edited 2013-04-18 13:09:33]

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: questions
Posted 2013-04-18 13:21:04 and read 6625 times.

ANA new J class looks very similar to DL's bland, sterile design.

http://www.ana.co.jp/int/svc/w_en/c/

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: jetlanta
Posted 2013-04-18 13:28:16 and read 6596 times.

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 66):
The upholstery is not the only thing that is wrong with the fit and finish of this seat. Even if you changed the upholstery it would stand in stark contrast to the lack of texture/pattern/color on the plastic shell. In that sense, the blue leather was a wise choice given how bland the shell is.

Whatever the case, Delta has a history of doing things like this on the cheap. Call it consistency, if you will, but the seat still looks cheap.

By comparison, I would draw your attention to the new KLM business seat. Several airlines use the same seat, but KLM sought to give it a distinct appeal by playing with the color of the shell, both inside and out. That's great design for what I imagine is only a nominal cost increase per unit.

You and I agree on all of this. I know there are people in Delta's Marketing department that do as well. But they have the budget they have and the direction on consistency comes from the highest levels.

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 66):
This is wishful thinking. AA now has lower costs per ASM than Delta. Who would have imagined that?

We'll see how that plays out post-merger. Maybe you can tell me how they can carry 20,000 more employees on the same revenue.

Swelbar has been on top of this for over a year:

Quote:
$130 here - million I mean. $100 million there. Couple hundred here and there. A chunk of the company for you. A less than desirable chunk for me. Hey PBGC, what do you need so we can carry a pension liability on our balance sheet going forward? That’s not a problem since the “old” US Airways terminated its plans! While we are at it, let’s keep 15,000 more employees than a similar-sized United (each carrier would generate approximately $37 billion in revenue) because, after all, the synergy generation will surely cover it. It’s the new math - circa 2012.
http://www.swelblog.com/articles/musings-from-the-last-five-weeks.html

The pig's lipstick is shining bright right now. But what happens when it wears off?

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-04-18 13:41:26 and read 6545 times.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 65):
Furthermore, most loyal DL FFs prefer leather over cloth, and DL does not want to alienate these loyal customers.

Leather is OK on shorthaul flights (and hard to avoid these days) but I hate leather on longhaul flights. Very few major carriers with highly-rated premium class products use leather on their longhaul fleets because it's generally disliked. It's very unpleasant to have to sleep on a flat-bed leather seat where you can actually stick to the leather. Cloth is much more comfortable. Look at the many carriers that use leather on shorthaul aircraft and cloth on longhaul, although leather would be cheaper in the long run (which is why it's used in the first place, not because passengers prefer it).

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: luckyone
Posted 2013-04-18 14:30:38 and read 6451 times.

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 66):
By comparison, I would draw your attention to the new KLM business seat.

KLM has 66 total longhaul aircraft. Cathay has roughly 100 (it's necessary to approximate due to their A330's operating three separate configurations, and I don't have the breakdowns for which are regional and which are not, so the actual number is probably less). Delta operate 145 long haul aircraft. That's a big difference accounting-wise. It does not have the advantage that CX has of being a home player in a region that is willing to pay a lot of money for amenities. That's just the reality.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 69):
Leather is OK on shorthaul flights (and hard to avoid these days) but I hate leather on longhaul flights. Very few major carriers with highly-rated premium class products use leather on their longhaul fleets because it's generally disliked.

Last year's SkyTrax First class awards
1 - Etihad Airways -- leather in first
2 - Singapore Airlines -- leather in first and business
3 - ANA All Nippon Airways
4 - Cathay Pacific Airways
5 - Emirates - leather in first
6 - Qatar Airways
7 - Qantas Airways
8 - Lufthansa
9 - British Airways
10 - Malaysia Airlines

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-04-18 15:13:34 and read 6377 times.

Quoting luckyone (Reply 70):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 69):
Leather is OK on shorthaul flights (and hard to avoid these days) but I hate leather on longhaul flights. Very few major carriers with highly-rated premium class products use leather on their longhaul fleets because it's generally disliked.

Last year's SkyTrax First class awards
1 - Etihad Airways -- leather in first
2 - Singapore Airlines -- leather in first and business
3 - ANA All Nippon Airways
4 - Cathay Pacific Airways
5 - Emirates - leather in first
6 - Qatar Airways
7 - Qantas Airways
8 - Lufthansa
9 - British Airways
10 - Malaysia Airlines

That confirms my "very few" comment: 3 out of 10 in F and 1 out of 10 in J.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: toobz
Posted 2013-04-18 15:19:12 and read 6372 times.

Well this was kinda my point earlier. Those airlines demand a premium (more so than DL) when it comes to their J. They get more money per butt in seat therefore they can spend more than say DL making their product nicer. it makes total sense. DL product is perfect for their cause. Lets not start comparing US airlines with SQ lol

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: georgiaame
Posted 2013-04-18 15:35:33 and read 6359 times.

Does anyone know when the 330 series is scheduled for completion? Delta only says it's FLEET will be done by mid 2014. I'm booked on a Mid July flight out of Dublin back to Atlanta on a 332. Let me tell you, I was less than thrilled with my 9 hours on a somewhat fossilized 333, Narita to Seattle in January. I won't "need" the flat bed for a late AM flight of about 8 hours, but it would be nice... Ah, Delta... The more things change, the more they stay the same!

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: 1337Delta764
Posted 2013-04-18 16:18:14 and read 6263 times.

Quoting georgiaame (Reply 73):

Does anyone know when the 330 series is scheduled for completion? Delta only says it's FLEET will be done by mid 2014. I'm booked on a Mid July flight out of Dublin back to Atlanta on a 332. Let me tell you, I was less than thrilled with my 9 hours on a somewhat fossilized 333, Narita to Seattle in January. I won't "need" the flat bed for a late AM flight of about 8 hours, but it would be nice... Ah, Delta... The more things change, the more they stay the same!

The A330 fleet is scheduled for completion in 2014. There won't be ver many modded in July of this year, since the focus is getting the 763ER fleet done. A330 mods should start to ramp up in the fall.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: alitalia744
Posted 2013-04-18 17:16:10 and read 6147 times.

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 68):
You and I agree on all of this. I know there are people in Delta's Marketing department that do as well. But they have the budget they have and the direction on consistency comes from the highest levels.

Capex is tough to manage especially when making product decisions.

The only thing consistent however about Delta is their inconsistency across every aspect of the business - from soft to hard product every flight is a different experience, right down to the Snack Basket they offer in domestic first-class.

While I love the concept of full-flat, full-access and full privacy, I still think they should have found a seat that offers a consistent product experience across all platforms which they've failed to do. I do understand the difference in gauge and the width associated with each they were dealing with, however.

Would it have killed Delta's capex budget to add a little texture to an airline already becoming quite sterile? No.

That said, I rarely fly Delta internationally in J these days due to the product offering, so it doesn't really affect me.

Now, AF's soon to be announced J offering is something I'm looking forward to. Same basic Zodiac/Cirrus seat platform, but a much nicer aesthetic that actually delivers the brand.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: fanoftristars
Posted 2013-04-18 18:27:37 and read 6018 times.

Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 75):
While I love the concept of full-flat, full-access and full privacy, I still think they should have found a seat that offers a consistent product experience across all platforms which they've failed to do.

Why? I think trying to keep aircraft capacity the same or close, while still offering a lie flat experience is far more important than the actual hardware being the same. There is no seat that would do this... The only think I wish is they wouldn't have ever gone with the 777 seat, and instead used the same seat as the 747, but at least their both lie flat.

I agree that the domestic fleet could certainly use some help. Entertainment experience varies wildly in the fleet, that is certainly my biggest gripe, and passengers notice, especially if they've flown B6 or VX. Fly an A320 from BOS-SLC or a 738 with AVOD and that is certainly a huge difference no matter what cabin you're in.

As far as international business goes, you've got a tv, a bed and isle access pretty consistently now, especially when they finish the 767s and A330s.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: TreeHillRavens
Posted 2013-04-18 19:28:21 and read 5956 times.

Is this seat on their 333 comes with tighter seat pitch and seat width ? I remembered reading that US Airways was not able to fit one more row of this seat in the cabin between Door 1L/R and Door 2L/R on their 333. CX too, was not able to fit one more row of this seat on their medium/long-haul 3-class 333.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2013-04-18 19:51:18 and read 5908 times.

Quoting georgiaame (Reply 73):
Does anyone know when the 330 series is scheduled for completion? Delta only says it's FLEET will be done by mid 2014. I'm booked on a Mid July flight out of Dublin back to Atlanta on a 332. Let me tell you, I was less than thrilled with my 9 hours on a somewhat fossilized 333, Narita to Seattle in January. I won't "need" the flat bed for a late AM flight of about 8 hours, but it would be nice... Ah, Delta... The more things change, the more they stay the same!

No more A330s will be mod-ed until after summer. So only the 1 A330-300 and 1 A330-200 which were essentially pilot/prototype for the mod project.

Quoting fanoftristars (Reply 76):
Why? I think trying to keep aircraft capacity the same or close, while still offering a lie flat experience is far more important than the actual hardware being the same. There is no seat that would do this... The only think I wish is they wouldn't have ever gone with the 777 seat, and instead used the same seat as the 747, but at least their both lie flat.

The route profile and market demographics where DL deploys their A330s is much different than where they use 744s, 777s, and 764s.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: n7371f
Posted 2013-04-18 20:01:49 and read 5890 times.

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 64):
I think the answer to that is that Delta is really concerned about maintaining a consistent brand at the highest levels of management. But consistent doesn't always mean appealing. Rather then re-doing everything, they are sticking with the look they've already established.

I agree with that, mostly. The exception that sticks out would be the Airbus 320/319 fleet, which has had nothing done to it since the merger except new seat covers and carpet. Even the a/c that go through HMV's still come out with standard issue NWA sidewalls, bulkheads, wallpaper, etc...Even the DC-9-50's have received DL standard bulkheads and sidewalls.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: mplsjefe
Posted 2013-04-18 20:20:03 and read 5851 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 78):
Quoting fanoftristars (Reply 76):
Why? I think trying to keep aircraft capacity the same or close, while still offering a lie flat experience is far more important than the actual hardware being the same. There is no seat that would do this... The only think I wish is they wouldn't have ever gone with the 777 seat, and instead used the same seat as the 747, but at least their both lie flat.

The route profile and market demographics where DL deploys their A330s is much different than where they use 744s, 777s, and 764s.

Can you please elaborate? Since the merger, the 330s are much more often deployed to Europe instead of Asia (especially to AMS and CDG) while almost all 764s still go to LHR; 777s and 744s go primarily to to Asia and ultra long haul routs to SYD and JNB. DL has adjusted their long-haul wide body fleet well to adapt to capacity and seem to be upgrading planes as they are able. There are more A330s then any other wide body aircraft in the DL fleet except the 763s and there is more slack in the 763 fleet to be off routes for upgrades.

What do you mean specifically that "route profile and market demographics" matter related to seat configuration and upgraded J cabins?

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: 1337Delta764
Posted 2013-04-18 22:07:22 and read 5719 times.

Quoting mplsjefe (Reply 80):
Can you please elaborate? Since the merger, the 330s are much more often deployed to Europe instead of Asia (especially to AMS and CDG) while almost all 764s still go to LHR; 777s and 744s go primarily to to Asia and ultra long haul routs to SYD and JNB. DL has adjusted their long-haul wide body fleet well to adapt to capacity and seem to be upgrading planes as they are able. There are more A330s then any other wide body aircraft in the DL fleet except the 763s and there is more slack in the 763 fleet to be off routes for upgrades.

What do you mean specifically that "route profile and market demographics" matter related to seat configuration and upgraded J cabins?

The 764s are frequently used on the highest yielding transatlantic routes due to their high J to Y ratio. The A330s have a much lower J to Y ratio and are more often used on leisure-oriented routes.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: questions
Posted 2013-04-18 23:00:18 and read 5656 times.

Quoting TreeHillRavens (Reply 77):
Is this seat on their 333 comes with tighter seat pitch and seat width ? I remembered reading that US Airways was not able to fit one more row of this seat in the cabin between Door 1L/R and Door 2L/R on their 333. CX too, was not able to fit one more row of this seat on their medium/long-haul 3-class 333.

DL has fewer crappers on board, therefore more rows of seats between 1L/R and 2L/R.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: TreeHillRavens
Posted 2013-04-19 03:57:23 and read 5524 times.

Quoting questions (Reply 82):

DL has fewer crappers on board, therefore more rows of seats between 1L/R and 2L/R.

That's not it. On CX 3-class 333, the space (window seat) is only enough for lavatory or a galley, not for another row of this Cirrus seat.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: pqdtw
Posted 2013-04-19 10:15:26 and read 5164 times.

Quoting TreeHillRavens (Reply 77):
Is this seat on their 333 comes with tighter seat pitch and seat width ? I remembered reading that US Airways was not able to fit one more row of this seat in the cabin between Door 1L/R and Door 2L/R on their 333. CX too, was not able to fit one more row of this seat on their medium/long-haul 3-class 333.



The galley between door 1L and 1R has been removed, and the size of the galley between 2L and 2R has been increased. The galley at 2L/2R will be exclusively for BE and the renovated galley in the aft will be exclusively for Y.

The lavatory on the 1L side near the entrance to the cockpit remains, and the lavatory that previously was located behind 5HJ and in front of 2R has been relocated to where the pilot rest quarters used to reside. Along with these two lavs, there is just now a "beverage center" galley similar to that on the 77L. This allows the seating to be shifted further forward.

We have received aircraft diagrams internally, but I cannot post those on the web, because they are not for public viewing.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: TreeHillRavens
Posted 2013-04-19 10:49:25 and read 5086 times.

Quoting pqdtw (Reply 88):
The galley between door 1L and 1R has been removed, and the size of the galley between 2L and 2R has been increased. The galley at 2L/2R will be exclusively for BE and the renovated galley in the aft will be exclusively for Y.

The lavatory on the 1L side near the entrance to the cockpit remains, and the lavatory that previously was located behind 5HJ and in front of 2R has been relocated to where the pilot rest quarters used to reside. Along with these two lavs, there is just now a "beverage center" galley similar to that on the 77L. This allows the seating to be shifted further forward.

I think i know how it looks like already. But i guess the seat is indeed a bit tighter compared to the US and CX version ? As there isn't anough space to fit one more row of the Cirrus seat (window seat) even if they remove the lavatory.


Quoting pqdtw (Reply 88):

We have received aircraft diagrams internally, but I cannot post those on the web, because they are not for public viewing.

No worries and thanks a lot for the information given.

[Edited 2013-04-19 10:52:35]

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: factsonly
Posted 2013-04-20 05:15:29 and read 4710 times.

Delta is operating N801NW daily across the Atlantic:

DAL234 seen @ 2013-04-18 on route from DTW to AMS
DAL235 seen @ 2013-04-18 on route from AMS to DTW
DAL619 seen @ 2013-04-18 on route from DTW to AMS
DAL620 seen @ 2013-04-19 on route from AMS to DTW
DAL252 seen @ 2013-04-19 on route from DTW to AMS
DAL175 seen @ 2013-04-20 on route from AMS to ATL

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: laca773
Posted 2013-04-20 06:43:30 and read 4627 times.

It's really sad to see some of the comments here.
DL is doing it's best to make improvements for all their passengers by leaps and bounds compared to UA & AA/US. All people seem to do here is complain and criticize. If you can do it, better, then cough up fhe money for the budget, or it is possible to say hey, they really did make a good effort here!!!

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: rwy04lga
Posted 2013-04-20 07:25:00 and read 4562 times.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 63):
hire someone who isn't color blind.

Well then, count me out!

Delta haters are gonna hate anything to do with Delta, no matter WHAT! Today its the color of the interior, tomorrow it'll be ....what....font? (FYI, Delta's is called 'Whitney')

One of Delta's colors is BLUE, therefore, the interior is BLUE. If you don't like blue, fly Emirates or QANTAS.

Some people don't like leather seats, I do! Would you rather have leather seats in your Rolls, or cloth? So why not in your 777?

The most important feature of a seat is COMFORT, not 'stitching'. If you haven't sat in these seats, you don't know what you're missing.

Excepting the 3L3, I've sat in ALL of Delta's BE seats and find the newest lie-flat ones to be extremely comfortable, providing a great restful sleep.

So, sit your  in one of Delta's seats instead of talking through it.

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: pqdtw
Posted 2013-04-21 08:35:43 and read 4021 times.

Quoting TreeHillRavens (Reply 85):
I think i know how it looks like already. But i guess the seat is indeed a bit tighter compared to the US and CX version ? As there isn't anough space to fit one more row of the Cirrus seat (window seat) even if they remove the lavatory.

Remember, it's not just the removal of a lavatory; it's the removal of an entire GALLEY ! That in itself accounts for the space you're asking about. So, row 1A on the refurbished plane will be roughly where the closet is now and the center seats 1B and 1C are roughly in front of the bulkhead that used to be there, and are in the area where carts and ovens used to be. This shift forward accounts for the extra room.

Also, it wasn't mentioned directly, but the pilot rest quarters previously stationed behind the flight deck have been removed on the 3L3. The pilots will have a seat in the business cabin designated for crew rest on the 3L3, and on the 3L2, there will be a completely new crew rest. On the 3L2, the flight attendant crew rest (Lower Deck Modular Crew Rest) that previously was located between 3L and 3R underdeck will be removed and relocated to the aft between under 4L and 4R. This will be a mixed-use pilot and flight attendant crew rest. The current crew rest for flight attendants on the 3L3 will remain unchanged.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 87):
It's really sad to see some of the comments here.
DL is doing it's best to make improvements for all their passengers by leaps and bounds compared to UA & AA/US. All people seem to do here is complain and criticize. If you can do it, better, then cough up fhe money for the budget, or it is possible to say hey, they really did make a good effort here!!!

It is unfortunate.

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 88):
The most important feature of a seat is COMFORT, not 'stitching'. If you haven't sat in these seats, you don't know what you're missing.


Exactly.

[Edited 2013-04-21 08:40:47]

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: alitalia744
Posted 2013-04-21 09:41:26 and read 3895 times.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 87):

It's really sad to see some of the comments here.
Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 88):

Delta haters are gonna hate anything to do with Delta, no matter WHAT! Today its the color of the interior, tomorrow it'll be ....what....font? (FYI, Delta's is called 'Whitney')

One of Delta's colors is BLUE, therefore, the interior is BLUE. If you don't like blue, fly Emirates or QANTAS.
I think both of you are missing the plot here.

One can criticize Delta's choices and still support both the airline and the effort they are making to improve the travel experience for the customer. It isn't a matter of "haters going to hate" but more a reverse directed at you - the obsessed not being able to stand back and objectively see the positives and negatives of the airline they love.

My love for Delta runs deep, but that love doesn't make me support everything they do with blinds on. Yours should do the same.

[Edited 2013-04-21 10:14:51]

[Edited 2013-04-21 10:15:21]

Topic: RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL
Username: OA412
Posted 2013-04-21 09:41:50 and read 3898 times.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 65):
Furthermore, most loyal DL FFs prefer leather over cloth, and DL does not want to alienate these loyal customers.

Don't be ridiculous. FF's are not going to leave DL if they switch from leather to cloth.


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