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Topic: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: stlgph
Posted 2013-04-08 07:34:53 and read 10570 times.

Looking forward to seeing more of their tails in the tri state area.

Service starts in October, and this fall, we should see Toronto service stick around for the winter, too.

http://www.icelandair.co.uk/informat...tm_medium=link&utm_campaign=newark

[Edited 2013-04-08 07:40:45]

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2013-04-08 08:01:36 and read 10341 times.

I remember Icelandair also usually has a midday arrival into JFK in the summer as well as the evening flights. I hope this EWR service won't come at the cost of that second frequency. I know the article talks about the two evening flights that leave around each other but the midday (~11am) arrival wasn't mentioned.

Either way great news for EWR to be regaining it's Iceland connections.

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: BC77008
Posted 2013-04-08 08:49:17 and read 10063 times.

There are many, many Newark refugees living in Iceland and so this will be a good way for them to come back to the states to visit.

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: YXD172
Posted 2013-04-08 09:05:20 and read 9962 times.

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 1):
I remember Icelandair also usually has a midday arrival into JFK in the summer as well as the evening flights. I hope this EWR service won't come at the cost of that second frequency. I know the article talks about the two evening flights that leave around each other but the midday (~11am) arrival wasn't mentioned.

Looking at their schedule, they've still got a 1230 and a 1900 arrival into JFK, departing at 1400 and 2040 (The 1400 flight gets into KEF just before midnight, the other gets in early the next morning)

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: BigGSFO
Posted 2013-04-08 09:13:47 and read 9876 times.

Quoting BC77008 (Reply 2):
There are many, many Newark refugees living in Iceland and so this will be a good way for them to come back to the states to visit.

Newark refugees? Was there an exodus from New Jersey to Iceland?  

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: eaa3
Posted 2013-04-08 09:17:14 and read 9834 times.

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 1):
I remember Icelandair also usually has a midday arrival into JFK in the summer as well as the evening flights. I hope this EWR service won't come at the cost of that second frequency. I know the article talks about the two evening flights that leave around each other but the midday (~11am) arrival wasn't mentioned.

It's only an addition. The Newark service won't come at the cost of the JFK service.

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: jetsetter629
Posted 2013-04-08 09:22:23 and read 9783 times.

Great news - I find EWR easier to get to from my location in Philadelphia versus JFK

I've been to Iceland in the summer of 2009 - I want to go back in the winter this time

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: mjoelnir
Posted 2013-04-08 09:26:54 and read 9748 times.

The daily 12:30 arrival and 14:00 departure in JFK has been only during the summer in the last years.
And will be again this summer.

This winter Icelandair had three times a week two flights to JFK arriving at 19:00 and 20:00, but no 12:30 arrivals.
A few times they had the B 757-300 on the single days.

The second evening arrival will move to EWR and increase to four times a week next winter.

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: BigGSFO
Posted 2013-04-08 10:45:18 and read 9473 times.

As far as Scandinavian based airlines go, Icelandair has built an impressive US network, outpacing the number of cities served by SK a significantly larger carrier. Icelandair now serves New York, Baltimore, Boston, Orlando, Minneapolis, Denver, Seattle, Anchorage and now Newark. I'd like to see Icelandair return to California next.

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: mjoelnir
Posted 2013-04-08 10:56:22 and read 9400 times.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 8):

You forgot Orlando-Sanford SFB.
The B 757-200 do not have the range for KEF-LAX/SFO. They tried a B 767ER but did not have the passenger volume.

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: readytotaxi
Posted 2013-04-08 11:02:02 and read 9346 times.

Good luck to them, wish they would improve the Saga Class seat, no way is it enough recline in this day and age.  

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: BigGSFO
Posted 2013-04-08 11:02:32 and read 9347 times.

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 9):
You forgot Orlando-Sanford SFB.

It's there.  
Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 9):
The B 757-200 do not have the range for KEF-LAX/SFO. They tried a B 767ER but did not have the passenger volume.

Agreed. Perhaps when the 78's show up.

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: SCQ83
Posted 2013-04-08 11:03:45 and read 9345 times.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 8):
As far as Scandinavian based airlines go, Icelandair has built an impressive US network, outpacing the number of cities served by SK a significantly larger carrier. Icelandair now serves New York, Baltimore, Boston, Orlando, Minneapolis, Denver, Seattle, Anchorage and now Newark. I'd like to see Icelandair return to California next.

They serve IAD, not BWI.

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: BigGSFO
Posted 2013-04-08 11:06:39 and read 9331 times.

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 12):
They serve IAD, not BWI.

Thanks for the correction. They used to serve BWI at one point, didn't they?

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: mjoelnir
Posted 2013-04-08 11:14:09 and read 9278 times.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 13):

They used to do BWI.

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: reifel
Posted 2013-04-08 11:25:07 and read 9215 times.

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 10):
Good luck to them, wish they would improve the Saga Class seat, no way is it enough recline in this day and age.

Indeed, however the price are half of what regular carriers charge for "regular" business class. With exception of SFB/ANC/SEA their flights aren't very long and it fits well a flight of 4-5 hours. I am unsure if they're actually wanting to compete with the carriers which have lie flat business class seats, but I don't know.

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: Birdwatching
Posted 2013-04-08 11:35:29 and read 9174 times.

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 9):
The B 757-200 do not have the range for KEF-LAX/SFO. They tried a B 767ER but did not have the passenger volume.
Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 11):
Agreed. Perhaps when the 78's show up.

If I remember correctly, 757 range is not the only problem, mainly Icelandair wants to keep all or most flights short enough to meet their two daily connection banks. Speaking in passenger numbers, Icelandair transports 1/50th of the country's population EVERY DAY, so it's obvious most of their passengers use the airline for connections rather than some Icelanders who you believe live in New Jersey flying home to visit their Grandfathur.

I've connected in KEF many times and it was always quick, easy and comfortable. Plus when I was a student they always had great student fares, and back when I flew a lot between JFK and FRA they were one of the few airlines who offered good one-way fares which I sometimes combined with Aer Lingus or Singapore Air to build round trips that suited my times.

KEF is the Arctic Dubai. I hope Icelandair add more cities on both sides for even more connection combinations!

Soren   

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2013-04-08 11:40:19 and read 9130 times.

Quoting BC77008 (Reply 2):
There are many, many Newark refugees living in Iceland and so this will be a good way for them to come back to the states to visit.

It's the other way around, yes?

There are a surprising number of Icelanders working in both Manhattan and DC.

So, timing has to be able to get folks home for the weekend and tourists to the heated geysers and springs

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: mjoelnir
Posted 2013-04-08 12:13:47 and read 9021 times.

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 16):

It is just range. In Denver and Seattle the aeroplane stops overnight and goes back the other day before the next arrives.
The flight to SEA is about 7 hours, 1 hour turnaround and 7 hours back make at least 15 hours, you would be to late for the bank or wave in KEF.

I think the same is true for SFB and will be for ANC.

They could do the same in LAX or SFO if the range would allow it.

They would be able to do SFO-KEF but would need a refueling stop for KEF-SFO.

They do code sharing with Alaska Airlines, so you could connect through Seattle.

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: BigGSFO
Posted 2013-04-08 12:16:59 and read 9002 times.

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 16):
KEF is the Arctic Dubai. I hope Icelandair add more cities on both sides for even more connection combinations!

Apt.

I remember way back when I was a college student    they operated JFK-LUX and marketed Luxembourg as the gateway to Europe. The flight was filled with college students such as myself with backpacks and Eurail passes. There were two Germanies then and no Chunnel.

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2013-04-08 12:21:01 and read 8985 times.

Quoting YXD172 (Reply 3):
Quoting eaa3 (Reply 5):
Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 7):

Thanks! I'm glad I'll still be able to see one depart during daylight hours

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: eaa3
Posted 2013-04-08 13:54:17 and read 8705 times.

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 16):
KEF is the Arctic Dubai. I hope Icelandair add more cities on both sides for even more connection combinations!

I would think they will soon add: Chicago, Philadelphia, Detroit and basically any decent size city within a 6-7 hour range of KEF. They're aquiring a couple of B757 per year:



And Europe:



For a total network of:



And with the B737-8 coming they can serve a lot of these destinations:

http://www.icelandair.us/servlet/file/store36/item656246/version2/fileservice900/656246_900_preview.jpg

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2013-04-08 14:24:57 and read 8639 times.

Quoting eaa3 (Reply 21):

Those are some good lookin' 737s! I imagine we'll be seeing the -9MAXs in the NE USA in places such as:

BOS
PHL
EWR (I see this eventually making it possible to increase frequencies provided the flights do well intially)
IAD
BWI (LONGshot, but maybe)

and Europe:

LGW
FRA
MUC
ZRH

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2013-04-08 15:40:44 and read 8447 times.

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 22):
BWI (LONGshot, but maybe)

Don't think so.

Icelandair had been at BWI since its DC-8 days -- but moved over to Washington-Dulles in 2011.

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: CO38
Posted 2013-04-08 15:53:20 and read 8274 times.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 8):
As far as Scandinavian based airlines go, Icelandair has built an impressive US network, outpacing the number of cities served by SK a significantly larger carrier.

Iceland is not a part of Scandinavia. Geographically only Norway and Sweden is. Politically I guess also Denmark.

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: stlgph
Posted 2013-04-08 18:29:01 and read 7789 times.

Quoting eaa3 (Reply 21):

There's demand but *not* that much demand.
Also, Keflavik Airport is only so big. It will be interesting to see what, if any expansion, comes its way in the next 5-10 years.

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: L0VE2FLY
Posted 2013-04-08 18:35:42 and read 7703 times.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 11):
Agreed. Perhaps when the 78's show up.

No need for the "s", they only have one 787 on order!

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2013-04-08 21:16:11 and read 7036 times.

Not to get off topic but how is DL doing at KEF?

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: rampart
Posted 2013-04-08 22:44:19 and read 6699 times.

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 16):
KEF is the Arctic Dubai. I hope Icelandair add more cities on both sides for even more connection combinations!

Other way around. KEF was the original "weird hub". Dubai is the Arabian Keflavik.

-Rampart

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: JU068
Posted 2013-04-19 11:11:50 and read 4214 times.

I just read that Icelandair and WestJet have signed an interline agreement. Are there chances of seeing more Icelandair flights into Toronto?

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: stlgph
Posted 2013-04-19 15:20:12 and read 3911 times.

Quoting JU068 (Reply 29):
I just read that Icelandair and WestJet have signed an interline agreement. Are there chances of seeing more Icelandair flights into Toronto?

most likely, yes.
Icelandair is looking to go year around and build up to daily service for most of it.

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: Fly2yyz
Posted 2013-04-19 19:27:39 and read 3670 times.

Is FI the airline where everything is buy on board. I don't know if my memory is failing me but its pretty much all Icelandic carriers that are BOB correct?

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: OA412
Posted 2013-04-19 19:37:50 and read 3659 times.

Quoting Fly2yyz (Reply 31):
Is FI the airline where everything is buy on board. I don't know if my memory is failing me but its pretty much all Icelandic carriers that are BOB correct?

In Y, food and alcohol are all BOB, but I believe that soft drinks are free. In Y+ and J they offer complimentary meals.

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 18):
In Denver and Seattle the aeroplane stops overnight and goes back the other day before the next arrives.

Yup. During the day in DEN, the aircraft is parked at a remote stand on the east side of A, giving you an awesome view of the aircraft as you drive into the airport.

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: JU068
Posted 2013-04-19 23:39:14 and read 3431 times.

Quoting Fly2yyz (Reply 31):
Quoting OA412 (Reply 32):

If I remember correctly this was only introduced once the crisis started, before that meals were free of charge. But they are still a really good airline.

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: sulley
Posted 2013-04-20 00:37:24 and read 3389 times.

Congrats to FI.

Too bad UAL didn't start this route - another missed opportunity.

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: JU068
Posted 2013-04-20 00:40:39 and read 3384 times.

Quoting sulley (Reply 34):

You mean to Kéflavik? Wouldn't it be a bit too much capacity on this relatively small market with both Icelandair and Delta (although seasonal) already flying between Iceland and the United States?

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: sweair
Posted 2013-04-20 23:11:53 and read 2928 times.

Wasn´t Dy taking all of their 787s? Still getting the sole one?

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: tommy767
Posted 2013-04-20 23:27:51 and read 2902 times.

Quoting eaa3 (Reply 21):

Those are some good lookin' 737s! I imagine we'll be seeing the -9MAXs in the NE USA in places such as:

Lack of Range

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: klwright69
Posted 2013-04-20 23:43:47 and read 2875 times.

Quoting sulley (Reply 34):
Congrats to FI.Too bad UAL didn't start this route - another missed opportunity.

I don't think so. It would have to be seasonal, and FI has connections year round. Iceland is great, but I don't think UA is interested unless there's year round viability.

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: by738
Posted 2013-04-21 05:15:24 and read 2685 times.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 37):
Lack of Range

Are you sure ?

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: eaa3
Posted 2013-04-21 07:48:22 and read 2501 times.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 37):
Lack of Range

The B737-8MAX will have enough range but the -9MAX may struggle.

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: STT757
Posted 2013-04-21 08:18:52 and read 2444 times.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 37):

Lack of Range

For what routes? The 737MAX has more range than a 737NG, the latter of which have been used in scheduled services on routes such as IAH-AMS (a route over 5,000mi.). That Privatair plane had a smaller, all business, configuration but nonetheless is still an impressive display of range.

IAH-AMS is 5,012 miles. LAX-KEF is 4,313.

[Edited 2013-04-21 08:21:18]

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2013-04-21 09:18:42 and read 2360 times.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 41):

The privatair aircraft had some additional fuel tanks for the route. A normal 737NG could have gotten as far as ORD (maybe) without the additional fuel. Nonetheless, the -8MAX should have no problem doing KEF-NE USA

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: RWA380
Posted 2013-04-21 15:00:03 and read 2082 times.

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 18):
They would be able to do SFO-KEF but would need a refueling stop for KEF-SFO.

The fact FI couldn't get SFO to work non-stop, I suspect means a one-stop via SEA or ??? wouldn't work either. There is not enough local demand the 767 would still be plying the skies KEF-SFO-KEF still.

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 18):
They do code sharing with Alaska Airlines, so you could connect through Seattle

This is coming to an end ASAP. According to AS mileage plan website: "Effective June 1, 2013, our Icelandair partnership will end."

I am surprised given the lift AS can give at SEA, maybe DL "convinced" AS to bail on FI, or maybe FI noticed most of their enplanements in SEA were local origin (SEA Area) or mostly returning European travelers. Either way surprising move.

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: JU068
Posted 2013-04-21 21:47:02 and read 1871 times.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 43):
The fact FI couldn't get SFO to work non-stop, I suspect means a one-stop via SEA or ??? wouldn't work either. There is not enough local demand the 767 would still be plying the skies KEF-SFO-KEF still.

They need to operate directly to San Francisco otherwise they will be butchered by the competition. Maybe in the future when they further promote their brand and once the crisis is over we might see them in California with a bigger aircraft.

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2013-04-21 21:55:20 and read 1868 times.

Quoting JU068 (Reply 44):

I agree that they need to operate it directly, but what competition? DL through JFK 5x a week seasonally? Not much competition if you ask me

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: JU068
Posted 2013-04-21 21:59:28 and read 1863 times.

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 45):

Oh sorry, I did not mean that kind of competition. I was referring to the market from California to Europe since it seems to me that most of Icelandair's business comes from offering connecting via KEF.

Topic: RE: Icelandair Announces Newark
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2013-04-21 22:13:21 and read 1842 times.

Quoting JU068 (Reply 46):

Oohhhh gotcha. I understand what you're saying now and it makes much more sense. Sorry for the miscommunication!      


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