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Topic: Flight Attendant Rosters From The Past
Username: UTA
Posted 2013-04-27 15:05:35 and read 6920 times.

Hi everyone

After years I finally joined the airliners.net community, this is my first post.

I'm very interested in aviation of the 60ies, 70ies and 80ies and I wonder if there are any FA's or pilots out there who would share their rosters from these times?

Thx in advance

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant Rosters From The Past
Username: factsonly
Posted 2013-04-28 02:02:33 and read 6385 times.

The European airlines operated various types of FA rosters in the 1970s and 1980s.

All FA crew were checked out on different aircraft types. In some airlines FAs operated either just short-haul aircraft or just long-haul aircraft. Other airlines mixed their FA fleets to gain flexibility. Examples are:

FA licensed Aircraft types:
- DC8/DC9
- B707/B737/B727
- B747/DC10/DC8
- B747/L1011/B707
- B727/B737
- F27/F28/DC9

European/Domestic Flights - work days versus time off:
- 3 days work / 1 day off
- 5 days work / 2 days off
- 6 days work / 3 days off
- 7 days work / 4 days off

For most European airlines aircrew operated route patterns as follows;

- BASE - XXX - BASE = single flight
- BASE - XXX - BASE - YYY - BASE = double flight 2 destinations
- BASE - XXX - BASE - XXX - BASE = double flight 1 destination
- BASE - XXX nightstop - BASE = night stop

For airlines with multiple Bases like LH (MUC, FRA, DUS, HAM) and SR (GVA & ZRH), IB (BCN, MAD), AZ (LIN, FCO), KL (AMS, RTM) it was possible to fly:

- BASE - XXX - BASE 2 (night stop) - YYY - HHH - BASE 2 (night stop) - ZZZ - BASE = multiple day pattern with overnights.

For long-haul flights the crew system was generally more straightforward, though trips could last up to 3 weeks to distant stations:

BASE - CCC - BBB - YYY (2 day stop) - DDD - JJJ - PPP (3 day stop) - KKK - UUU - SSS (3 day stop) - UUU - KKK - PPP (3 day stop) - JJJ - DDD - YYY (2 day stop) - BBB - CCC - BASE (5 days off)

Sometimes European Air crew were based overseas for a period of time, as the airline could not efficiently crew flights over low frequency routes. Air crew would work their way to say Rio de Janeiro to be based there for a length of time. This GIG based air crew would shuttle flights beyond Rio:
- GIG-SAO-EZE-SCL (night stop)
- SCL-EZE-SAO-GIG (3 day stop)
- GIG-MVD-EZE-SCL (night stop)
- SCL-EZE-MVD-GIG (2 day stop).
This regular week pattern could be operated for periods of up to three months.

Many European airlines had overseas operations lnked to their foler colonies:

- AF operated to/from French territories and based staff abroad for periods of time
- BA operated to/from British territories and had crews based abroad at times
- KL operated JFK-SXM-JFK, JFK-CUR-JFK and JFK-AUA-JFK with DC8s.

KLM's FAs operated:
- AMS-JFK (night stop)
- JFK-CUR-JFK- (night stop)
- JFK-SXM-JFK (night stop)
- JFK-AMS

Many of these odd long-haul FA patterns have disappeared with the liberalisation of air transport.
Today most FAs operate:
- BASE - XXX - BASE with either 24 or 48 hours at XXX depending on flight time and contracts.

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant Rosters From The Past
Username: FCAFLYBOY
Posted 2013-04-28 02:13:47 and read 6368 times.

It would be great to see some old rosters, for nostalgia's sake. I'm sure some of the routings and schedules would seem almost non-sensual to us all now!

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant Rosters From The Past
Username: PanHAM
Posted 2013-04-28 02:23:05 and read 6345 times.

There are some retired LH captains in my town whom I have contact to.LH had, in these days, some good long haul mrouting. Such as the Polar route or the South American West Coast via JFK.

FRA/HAM or DUS-ANC-TYO-OSA usually was a lay over at ANC and TYO, The TYO-OSA-TYO was operated by a crew which stayed at Tokyo again for one or two days . Total transit time was about 2 weeks., How boring it must be today.

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant Rosters From The Past
Username: lxlgu
Posted 2013-04-28 03:09:11 and read 6251 times.

As a F/A for SOUTH AFRICAN AIRWAYS in the 70s we had some long layovers
PERTH was a 14 day trip on the 707 with JOHANNESBURG MAURITIUS PERTH with a 7 day layover and
then a PERTH SYDNEY PERTH shuttle and the 7 days again until homeward bound
Europe also had some long layovers - 10 and 14 day trips with shuttles out of LISBON or ROME
NEW YORK was usually 5 day trips and there were many variations
Domestic could be hard work - All economy 707 with 177 seats and we would do a double DURBAN trip with
full bar service/hot meals and liquers after the meal - all on a 45 minute flight.

Cheers!

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant Rosters From The Past
Username: lxlgu
Posted 2013-04-28 03:34:34 and read 6203 times.

During the 80s I flew for LUXAVIA as a FA.on 707 and 747Sp
During the low season we had a 5 night layover in Europe - with hotel given for the last night and cash allowance to
go wherever we wanted during that stay. Had some wonderful trips with the crew.
We also were based in Israel for 2 weeks during an EL AL strike and did usually day returns from TEL AVIV.
Was interesting!
One was a HEATHROW TENERIFE (which was empty) and then TENERIFE TEL AVIV - was a group of tourists that
were stranded due to the strike. I remember being very horrified with the quality of the catering which was a cold snack.
EL AL only provided cold meals during the strike.We were used to serving steak dinners and we were a low cost airline. One interesting flight was dead heading on a CON AIR DENMARK Boeing 720 FRANKFURT TEL AVIV
Also did haj flights JOHANNESBURG JEDDAH JOHANNESBURG on 707 which was a long trip as it was a turnaround
but one sector was a position flight with no pax so one sector we could rest.

[Edited 2013-04-28 03:36:01]

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant Rosters From The Past
Username: factsonly
Posted 2013-04-28 05:36:53 and read 6025 times.

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 2):
It would be great to see some old rosters, for nostalgia's sake. I'm sure some of the routings and schedules would seem almost non-sensual to us all now!

I found some for KLM cabin staff in 1980:

- Day 1 - AMS-YMX on B747 night stop
- Day 2 - free
- Day 3 - YMX-IAH-MEX on B747
- Day 4 - free
- Day 5 - free
- Day 6 - free
- Day 7 - MEX-IAH-YMX on B747
- Day 8 - YMX-YYZ-YMX on DC10
- Day 9 - free
- Day 10 - YMX-AMS on B747

- Day 1 - AMS-FRA-DXB on B747
- Day 2 - free
- Day 3 - DXB-DEL-BKK on B747
- Day 4 - free
- Day 5 - BKK-MNL-BKK on B747
- Day 6 - free
- Day 7 - BKK-KUL-JKT-SIN on B747
- Day 8 - free
- Day 9 - SIN-MEL-SYD on B747
- Day 10 - free
- Day 11 - free
- Day 12 - free
- Day 13 - SYD-MEL-SIN on B747
- Day 14 - free
- Day 15 - SIN-CMB-DXB on B747
- Day 16 - free
- Day 17 - DXB-VIE-AMS on B747

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant Rosters From The Past
Username: ItalianFlyer
Posted 2013-04-28 13:23:18 and read 3870 times.

Here is a link to an Eastern ORD base bid sheet from 1985....thanks to TWA1985.

New! EA Flight Attendant Bid Sheet- ORD- April '85 (by TWA1985 Mar 11 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant Rosters From The Past
Username: UTA
Posted 2013-04-28 13:43:22 and read 3659 times.

thanks for the link, very interesting indeed!

And this KLM 17 days trip is amazing. I imagine one returned home more or less relaxed

Topic: RE: Flight Attendant Rosters From The Past
Username: ZKEOJ
Posted 2013-04-28 15:33:29 and read 2836 times.

In 1990 I flew on LH FRA-BKK-SYD. The FA told me that for her it was a 2-week trip, with an overnight in BKK, then on to SYD, an overnight there, then the short add-on to MEL. I don;t know how much time there, then dead-heading to DPS, and back from there to FRA on duty.
Sounded great  

Cheers
micha


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