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Topic: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-04-27 01:08:05 and read 21919 times.

ET 801 from Addis to Nairobi has taken off at 9.:45am local time. this being the first 787 commercial flight since grounding was lifted late last week. still trying to confirm which frame it is.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22315317

Congrats to Boeing, Ethiopian and all involved!

A

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: francoflier
Posted 2013-04-27 01:16:27 and read 21891 times.

That was quick.

I suppose Boeing and ET had started installing the battery mods some time ago on that frame?

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-04-27 01:26:32 and read 21828 times.

Here's a brief overview of commercial flight hit list over the coming days/weeks - limited to May (as per current airline schedule):

Ethiopian Airlines #1
> ADD-NBO: April 27 (one off)
> ADD-DXB: April 27 (one off)
> ADD-FRA: April 28 (Daily)

Ethiopian Airlines #2
> ADD-HRE-LUN: May 1 (Daily)
> ADD-DXB: May 2 (Daily) - night flight

Ethiopian Airlines #3
> ADD-DXB: May 3 (Daily) - day flight
> ADD-IAD: May 4 (5x per week)

Qatar Airways #1
> DOH-LHR: May 15 (Daily)

Ethiopian Airlines #4
> ADD-BOM: May 16 (Daily)

Air India #1
> DEL-FRA: May 16 (Daily)

Air India #2
> DEL-LHR: May 16 (Daily)

Air India #3
> DEL-CDG: May 16 (Daily)

Air India #4
> DEL-BLR: May 17 (Daily)

Air India #5
> DEL-MAA: May 17 (Daily)
> DEL-CCU: May 22 (Daily)

Qatar Airways #2
> DOH-MUC: May 20 (Daily)

Qatar Airways #3
> DOH-FRA: May 25 (Daily)

United Airlines #1
> IAD-DEN: May 31 (Daily)

ANA, JAL, LAN

Cheers
A

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: zeke
Posted 2013-04-27 02:22:30 and read 21417 times.

This is good news for the whole industry.

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-04-27 02:31:40 and read 21345 times.

ET-AOP confirmed as the airplane conducting the flight.

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/et-aop

A

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-04-27 04:55:29 and read 20535 times.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 3):
ANA, JAL, LAN

NH to be at the end of may, JL to be at the beginning of June.

Apparently.

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: konrad
Posted 2013-04-27 06:57:09 and read 19308 times.

LOT 787 flights are loaded into the system starting from June 5:

5.06.2013 LO1 WAW ORD 788
5.06.2013 LO3 WAW ORD 788

followed by

7.06.2013 LO41 WAW YYZ 788

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: AVENSAB727
Posted 2013-04-27 07:04:47 and read 19114 times.

> IAD-DEN: May 31 (Daily)
It is actually IAH-DEN.

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: Revelation
Posted 2013-04-27 07:09:23 and read 19020 times.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Thread starter):
Congrats to Boeing, Ethiopian and all involved!

        

If nothing else, a whole bunch of engineers around the world are breathing easier and are back doing what they thought they might be doing for the last few months.

Grounding thus was January 16, 2013 - April 27, 2013 or a bit more than three months.

Using timeanddate.com we get:

Quote:

From and including: Wednesday, January 16, 2013
To, but not including : Saturday, April 27, 2013

It is 101 days from the start date to the end date, but not including the end date

Or 3 months, 11 days excluding the end date

101 days can be converted to one of these units:

8,726,400 seconds
145,440 minutes
2424 hours
14 weeks (rounded down)

I'm sure it's not only myself that is surprised the problem was resolved this quickly.

Let's just hope that new containment system doesn't get used too soon!

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: 9w748capt
Posted 2013-04-27 07:11:42 and read 18967 times.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 2):
Ethiopian Airlines #4
> ADD-BOM: May 16 (Daily)

Nice! I don't recall hearing of any other foreign 787 operators to India for the moment? Nice job ET!

nevermind, forgot about NH's NRT-DEL (how!). Sorry folks  Smile

[Edited 2013-04-27 07:12:41]

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: gr8circle
Posted 2013-04-27 08:12:29 and read 17527 times.

Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 9):
Nice! I don't recall hearing of any other foreign 787 operators to India for the moment? Nice job ET!

nevermind, forgot about NH's NRT-DEL (how!). Sorry folks

With AI 787s operating predominantly out of DEL, that's going to be quite a major 787 airport in the short term.....until other airports elsewhere in the world, catch up......

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: 777way
Posted 2013-04-27 09:34:03 and read 16111 times.

Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 9):

JAL will be bringing theirs back to DEL it was to be from March.

[Edited 2013-04-27 10:00:18]

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: lhrnue
Posted 2013-04-27 09:38:49 and read 16045 times.

You gotta love Randy for that interview linked to the BBC article. Said a lot, a lot of arm waiving, but not rally ansered any of the rporters questions.

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: glideslope
Posted 2013-04-27 12:59:36 and read 13365 times.

Quoting lhrnue (Reply 12):
You gotta love Randy for that interview linked to the BBC article. Said a lot, a lot of arm waiving, but not rally ansered any of the rporters questions.

LOL. Like Mr. Leahy is any different.   

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-04-27 15:56:24 and read 10890 times.

Congrats to ET and Boeing.

This is a huge milestone. Someone had to be first and I tip my hat to ET for taking the lead.

Per the blog "All things 787", the next airline should be QR then next month AI and UA. But we will be well into June before all are flying. We should see several new airlines flying this year too. At a production of 7 per month.

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: n471wn
Posted 2013-04-27 16:01:18 and read 10826 times.

I find it strange that JAL and ANA are the last to return the 787 to service when in fact their a/c are the first to be modified.......why do they need hundreds of test flights?

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: alphaomega
Posted 2013-04-27 17:15:35 and read 9913 times.

Quoting n471wn (Reply 15):
I find it strange that JAL and ANA are the last to return the 787 to service when in fact their a/c are the first to be modified.......why do they need hundreds of test flights?

I was thinking the same thing - how are ET and AI getting their 787s in the air long before UA? I was thinking maybe JL and NH have larger fleets of 787s and maybe that had something to do with it, but seems odd?

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-04-27 17:39:13 and read 9619 times.

Quoting n471wn (Reply 15):
I find it strange that JAL and ANA are the last to return the 787 to service when in fact their a/c are the first to be modified.......why do they need hundreds of test flights?

Japan has a strong emphasis on getting things right. Since they have the largest fleet, they want to make sure this fix is a right fix!

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: PlanesNTrains
Posted 2013-04-27 18:06:23 and read 9259 times.

Quoting lhrnue (Reply 12):
You gotta love Randy for that interview linked to the BBC article. Said a lot, a lot of arm waiving, but not rally ansered any of the rporters questions.

Cue Charles Durning in Best Little Whorehouse in Texas - Sidestep.  

-Dave

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: n471wn
Posted 2013-04-27 18:14:02 and read 9139 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 17):
Japan has a strong emphasis on getting things right. Since they have the largest fleet, they want to make sure this fix is a right fix!

the Japanese authorities have said it is----so why are the Japanese airlines moving so slow?

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: BestWestern
Posted 2013-04-27 18:20:27 and read 9057 times.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 8):
I'm sure it's not only myself that is surprised the problem was resolved this quickly.

It is excellent that the fleet is back operational for summer peak travel.

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: capitalflyer
Posted 2013-04-27 19:32:32 and read 8254 times.

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 7):
It is actually IAH-DEN.

Is this the only leg it runs, or does it head overseas? NRT?

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: SCL767
Posted 2013-04-27 19:53:57 and read 8031 times.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 2):
LAN

LAN's 787 flights are scheduled to resume starting in June. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see the 787s flying SCL-EZE and SCL-LIM next month.

On 01JUN13:
LA600 SCL-LIM-LAX 787
On 30JUN13:
LA704 SCL-MAD-FRA 787

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: ltbewr
Posted 2013-04-27 20:21:21 and read 7724 times.

It does seem odd that ET has the first revenue flights and it does raise questions. I suspect that as they had no or few problems with their a/c, perhaps their battery system was a later edition, having a small fleet, a sound operation including as to maintenance, limited ops over large waterways, perhaps they were willing to go first, all could be factors. They should be very proud to be the first back with 787 ops.

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2013-04-27 20:45:06 and read 7471 times.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 23):

It does seem odd that ET has the first revenue flights and it does raise questions.

Why? Early delivery while ANA and JAL have committed to delay their return to commercial service. ET actually makes sense. We'll have AI and UA re-enter service before the Japanese airlines return to service.




Quoting SCL767 (Reply 22):
LAN's 787 flights are scheduled to resume starting in June.

I'm excited to see what LAN will do with the 787.

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: SCL767
Posted 2013-04-27 21:09:47 and read 7501 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 24):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 22):
LAN's 787 flights are scheduled to resume starting in June.

I'm excited to see what LAN will do with the 787.

LAN will receive two more 787s this year and 7 787s next year. Personally I'm really excited and looking forward to flying on the 787s again very soon.  

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: Tbone354
Posted 2013-04-27 21:28:03 and read 7264 times.

Happy to know she is making contrails again.  

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-04-27 21:42:20 and read 7301 times.

The ANA ceremonial flight this morning was conducted by JA-810A.

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ja810a

ET-AOP heading to Frankfurt in a few hours after successfully doing ADD-NBO-ADD-DXB-ADD yesterday.

Cheers
A

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: cuban8
Posted 2013-04-27 23:48:42 and read 5906 times.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 8):
Grounding thus was January 16, 2013 - April 27, 2013 or a bit more than three months.

I heard on the news a few weeks ago that Boeing was losing $50 million / week on the B787 delay. If that's a correct estimate, we are talking about a $700 million loss for Boeing for the B787 debacle!!! Does anyone have any other numbers or does this seem probable.

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-04-28 00:33:52 and read 5465 times.

Glad to finally see the 787 back in the air   . Looking forward to seeing them fly with Thomson Later in the year   .

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: VTORD
Posted 2013-04-28 04:30:47 and read 4706 times.

Does anyone know when LO's plane parked at O'hare is flying back???

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: rlwynn
Posted 2013-04-28 04:58:22 and read 4617 times.

The 787 is at 40000 over Albania right now on the way to FRA.

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: Lofty
Posted 2013-04-28 05:48:59 and read 4462 times.

Many Airlines can not just put a fleet back into the schedule over night. For example JL and ANA will need longer to stand down the contingency they had put in place due to the grounding and ramp up B787 operations again.

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-04-28 07:19:21 and read 4174 times.

Quoting n471wn (Reply 19):
the Japanese authorities have said it is----so why are the Japanese airlines moving so slow?

I'm not sure, to be honest. If I were to take a stab at it, I would say because both JL and NH had aircraft adversely effected by the 787 issues. Because of this, I'm guessing that's the reason why they're not operating it right away.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 27):
The ANA ceremonial flight this morning was conducted by JA-810A.

Reportedly the flight was successful and both NH and the Boeing CEOs (really? did he need to say this) were happy

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: nomadd22
Posted 2013-04-28 09:03:06 and read 3839 times.

Quoting cuban8 (Reply 28):
I heard on the news a few weeks ago that Boeing was losing $50 million / week on the B787 delay. If that's a correct estimate, we are talking about a $700 million loss for Boeing for the B787 debacle!!! Does anyone have any other numbers or does this seem probable.

They didn't stop building them and orders weren't cancelled. They just get the delivery money a few months later than they would have. Income will now be greater than expected for the rest of the year because of delayed deliveries. Boeing shifts money between accounts billions at a time.

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: 7BOEING7
Posted 2013-04-28 09:23:10 and read 3767 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 33):
Quoting n471wn (Reply 19): the Japanese authorities have said it is----so why are the Japanese airlines moving so slow?
I'm not sure, to be honest. If I were to take a stab at it, I would say because both JL and NH had aircraft adversely effected by the 787 issues. Because of this, I'm guessing that's the reason why they're not operating it right away.

The reasons have been discussed in other threads but here's a quick refresher:


JCAB requires 1 test flight.

ANA and JAL both prefer airplanes over simulators for initial and recurrent training, even though simulators will be acceptable for everybody else (UAL, LAN, ETH, LOT and QTR)

The extra flights also allow ANA and JAL to show their main customers--the Japanese people--that the airplanes are safe. Nobody else in the world cares that much.

In general it's the way things work in Japan.


See below:

http://www.noodls.com/view/0C2AF8000...5BEDCE03E29B8A8B6?124xxx1366974011

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-04-28 20:49:25 and read 3115 times.

A second ANA frame has been fixed and flying. JA-809A did a HND-CTS round trip test flight this morning.

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ja809a

Brings total to 3:

ET-AOP (Ethiopian)
JA-810A (ANA)
JA-809A (ANA)

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: aerorobnz
Posted 2013-04-28 21:16:15 and read 2998 times.

I'm booked on QR FRA-DOH for June. It is scheduled to be a 788.

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: davidho1985
Posted 2013-04-28 21:32:06 and read 2964 times.

Quoting nomadd22 (Reply 34):
They didn't stop building them and orders weren't cancelled. They just get the delivery money a few months later than they would have. Income will now be greater than expected for the rest of the year because of delayed deliveries. Boeing shifts money between accounts billions at a time.

$700 million means potential compensation to airlines for the loss of grounding

Topic: RE: 787 Commercial Flight Takes Off
Username: hkcanadaexpat
Posted 2013-04-29 00:43:40 and read 2748 times.

Qatar Airways will be the second airline to resume 787 commercial service on the DOH-DXB daily shuttles from May 2nd. Long-haul will begin May 15th on the LHR route.

Cheers
A


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