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Topic: NBC: SAS, ExpressJet Clip Wingtips @ EWR
Username: catiii
Posted 2013-05-01 18:17:34 and read 10288 times.

SAS 908 to Oslo and ExpressJet 4226 to Nashville clipped wings while taxiing at EWR tonight. More here from NBC4, including a photo of the SAS A330: http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local...irlines-Express-Jet-205695251.html

SAS' website showing a delay to flight 908 until 23:10.

[Edited 2013-05-01 18:19:33]

Topic: RE: NBC: SAS, ExpressJet Clip Wingtips @ EWR
Username: 9lflyguy
Posted 2013-05-01 20:26:14 and read 9805 times.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/05/...ark-liberty-international-airport/

Love the file photo of the C5 Dash 8. It takes two seconds to Google what an ERJ looks like. Its like they said "Oh, United Express! It must be those crazy cowboys in those horrible loud tiny propeller planes!"

[Edited 2013-05-01 20:29:50]

Topic: RE: NBC: SAS, ExpressJet Clip Wingtips @ EWR
Username: 9lflyguy
Posted 2013-05-01 20:36:54 and read 9777 times.

Never mind, they changed the photo. must have realized it was the wrong plane.   

Topic: RE: NBC: SAS, ExpressJet Clip Wingtips @ EWR
Username: g2scandinavia
Posted 2013-05-01 21:53:18 and read 9575 times.

How significant is the damage?

I know I'm probably hitting the fan now, but what is it about SAS and damages on the ground?
Is it just me, or is the frequency of these incidents starting to be questionable?

[Edited 2013-05-01 22:50:11]

Topic: RE: NBC: SAS, ExpressJet Clip Wingtips @ EWR
Username: TGIF
Posted 2013-05-01 22:01:14 and read 9541 times.

Quoting catiii (Thread starter):
SAS' website showing a delay to flight 908 until 23:10.

We'll, the passengers aren't going home on that bird... That looks bad...

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local...irlines-Express-Jet-205695251.html



[Edited 2013-05-01 22:05:03]

Topic: RE: NBC: SAS, ExpressJet Clip Wingtips @ EWR
Username: SocalApproach
Posted 2013-05-01 22:10:19 and read 9500 times.

If only that Title the media decided to come up with for the article were a little more dramatic. Slow news day in the Newark area? I only say that because nothing seemed to be out of the ordinary unless you were aboard either one of these aircraft tonight. Someone must have contacted the news to report it.

Topic: RE: NBC: SAS, ExpressJet Clip Wingtips @ EWR
Username: SASDC8
Posted 2013-05-01 23:08:20 and read 9287 times.

What is it with all these regional jets getting their tails clipped? Only joking, but I guess somebody did not hold in the position the should have been in again...


Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 4):

Which incidents are taking about? The ones where the jet bridges took of the doors of the Airbus 32Xs or something else? IMHO there is nothing questionable about this.


The AC will need some inspections and probably a small fix, and all 242 pax were re booked to other flights (I am guessing SAS through ARN/CPH and with other star partners the next day).

Topic: RE: NBC: SAS, ExpressJet Clip Wingtips @ EWR
Username: sk909
Posted 2013-05-01 23:40:50 and read 9162 times.

I don't see any questionable in SK accidents. What is more questionable is the number of regional jets that are involved in these kinds of accidents.

Is it a question of the ATC/Ground Control not doing there jobs well enough? Maybe stacking the planen too tight?

Topic: RE: NBC: SAS, ExpressJet Clip Wingtips @ EWR
Username: Mortyman
Posted 2013-05-02 01:47:02 and read 8815 times.

Does'nt seem to be big damage on the SAS Aircraft atleast ... Apparently there is some damage at the tip of the winglet, but I can't see anything ...

http://www.dagbladet.no/2013/05/02/n...r/utenriks/innenriks/sas/26953308/

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/ur...New-York-7190810.html#.UYIk5kg4UyY

Topic: RE: NBC: SAS, ExpressJet Clip Wingtips @ EWR
Username: AZA330
Posted 2013-05-02 04:16:58 and read 8503 times.

Quoting SocalApproach (Reply 5):
If only that Title the media decided to come up with for the article were a little more dramatic.

Maybe the Italian news would work better for you   :

http://video.repubblica.it/mondo/new...-decollo/127111/125613?ref=HRESS-4

with the title "Newark: collisione in pista tra aerei in decollo" (lit: Newark: collision on the runway between two planes taking off") and the title on the home page of the same website says "Newark: Collisione in pista tra aerei in decollo: tragedia sfiorata" (lit. Newark, collision on the runway between two planes taking off: almost tragedy).

I do not know why something relatively small needs to be made as sensational like that, but that seems to be the trend here now...

Topic: RE: NBC: SAS, ExpressJet Clip Wingtips @ EWR
Username: Luxair
Posted 2013-05-02 05:05:51 and read 8331 times.

Or the Dutch news De Telegraaf! They claimed this morning that the SAS lost half of it wing!!!! Hahahaha however they got it right this time in regard of the aircraft type, cudos to them hahaha

Topic: RE: NBC: SAS, ExpressJet Clip Wingtips @ EWR
Username: Mortyman
Posted 2013-05-02 05:28:51 and read 8238 times.

Quoting AZA330 (Reply 9):
with the title "Newark: collisione in pista tra aerei in decollo" (lit: Newark: collision on the runway between two planes taking off") and the title on the home page of the same website says "Newark: Collisione in pista tra aerei in decollo: tragedia sfiorata" (lit. Newark, collision on the runway between two planes taking off: almost tragedy).

Jeez, they make it sound like the Tenerife airport disaster of 1977

Topic: RE: NBC: SAS, ExpressJet Clip Wingtips @ EWR
Username: Navigator
Posted 2013-05-02 06:47:37 and read 8000 times.

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 3):
How significant is the damage?

SAS A330 damaged its winglet on the left side. It can be removed and they can happily fly without it back home even with passengers onboard.

The Embraer had damage to its elevator on the right side.

Topic: RE: NBC: SAS, ExpressJet Clip Wingtips @ EWR
Username: Mortyman
Posted 2013-05-02 08:05:23 and read 7066 times.

Video report from US TV chanel here:

http://www.vgtv.no/#!/video/63933/am...lydramaet-slik-skjedde-sas-uhellet

Topic: RE: NBC: SAS, ExpressJet Clip Wingtips @ EWR
Username: 802flyguy
Posted 2013-05-02 08:06:53 and read 7045 times.

"Chopper 4 video from over the airport shows a broken wing on the Scandinavian Airlines (SAS) aircraft"

"Broken wing"?   A bit over the top. So is "Newark: Collisione in pista tra aerei in decollo: tragedia sfiorata", but that is what passes for journalism these days...

As mentioned above: Yes, as long as it was just the winglet that was damaged, it can be removed and aircraft can fly without it. I imagine some sort of weight / range penalty, someone can probably expand on that. But then the press would have a field day: "Passengers Escape Death as Plane Takes Off with Broken Wing" .

Probably will ferry to CPH and get a new winglet. Until then, the a/c schedulers at Sk will be busy, given how tightly the carrier uses its widebody fleet. A couple of months ago they had two of the big birds out of service at the same time. One was pushed into a loading bridge at ORD by a very strong wind gust, I can't remember what happened with the other A/C.
SK had to wet lease capacity on a 777 from White Airways of Portugal for several days.

SK A330/340s have a nose camera feed on the IFE; maybe they should get wingtip cams for the pilots!  

Topic: RE: NBC: SAS, ExpressJet Clip Wingtips @ EWR
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2013-05-02 20:04:13 and read 3244 times.

Quoting AZA330 (Reply 9):

I was taken by surprise seeing a Tulip Tail on the ERJ! I hadn't noticed much crossfleeting at EWR in terms of RJs (excluding E170s).

Topic: RE: NBC: SAS, ExpressJet Clip Wingtips @ EWR
Username: SocalApproach
Posted 2013-05-02 20:14:13 and read 3216 times.

The SK A330 is still in EWR sitting on a hardstand. Not saying they wont ferry it somewhere but they haven't at this moment. It was getting dark outside but it appeared the winglet has been taken off the aircraft, possibly by MX.

Topic: RE: NBC: SAS, ExpressJet Clip Wingtips @ EWR
Username: Caspian27
Posted 2013-05-03 14:04:21 and read 2801 times.

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 6):
What is it with all these regional jets getting their tails clipped? Only joking, but I guess somebody did not hold in the position the should have been in again...
Quoting sk909 (Reply 7):
I don't see any questionable in SK accidents. What is more questionable is the number of regional jets that are involved in these kinds of accidents.

Is it a question of the ATC/Ground Control not doing there jobs well enough? Maybe stacking the planen too tight?

Not to sound like a broken record, but are you kidding me? As I argued with the AF/OH incident, this could only be the fault of the crew that hits the other aircraft; in this case the SAS crew. When taxiing aircraft it is your responsibility to see and avoid. How could the Expressjet crew be at fault when they are the ones being hit and the other aircraft that hit them, is behind them? Again, it's not a matter of where anyone stopped or ATC stacking things too tight. Expressjet could've stopped anywhere whether they were told to or not, and it still would be incumbent on SAS to avoid them.

Topic: RE: NBC: SAS, ExpressJet Clip Wingtips @ EWR
Username: someone83
Posted 2013-05-04 01:12:42 and read 2541 times.

Quoting SocalApproach (Reply 16):

The SK A330 is still in EWR sitting on a hardstand. Not saying they wont ferry it somewhere but they haven't at this moment. It was getting dark outside but it appeared the winglet has been taken off the aircraft, possibly by MX.


The aircraft ia back in service, and flew OSL-EWR as SK907 yesterday. Four hours delayed and without the winglet

Topic: RE: NBC: SAS, ExpressJet Clip Wingtips @ EWR
Username: atcsundevil
Posted 2013-05-04 05:01:17 and read 2416 times.

Quoting sk909 (Reply 7):
Is it a question of the ATC/Ground Control not doing there jobs well enough? Maybe stacking the planen too tight?

No. ATC has nothing to do with "stacking planes too tight." Ground ATC issues taxi clearance and orders pilots to hold short or follow certain aircraft -- it is the pilot's job to maneuver the aircraft and "see and avoid", just like in flight. ATC can not/will not help large aircraft negotiate turns or tight spaces for obvious legal implications. 99% of the time, collisions between aircraft on the ground are the fault of pilots or ramp employees.

Quoting Caspian27 (Reply 17):
Not to sound like a broken record, but are you kidding me? As I argued with the AF/OH incident, this could only be the fault of the crew that hits the other aircraft; in this case the SAS crew. When taxiing aircraft it is your responsibility to see and avoid. How could the Expressjet crew be at fault when they are the ones being hit and the other aircraft that hit them, is behind them? Again, it's not a matter of where anyone stopped or ATC stacking things too tight. Expressjet could've stopped anywhere whether they were told to or not, and it still would be incumbent on SAS to avoid them.

Agreed. I don't think most people have a clue what controllers actually do. People are so quick to blame ATC in nearly every situation without understanding the facts or circumstance. Did ATC in some way cause this incident? Maybe, because we don't know all the facts yet, but it's HIGHLY unlikely for the reasons both you and I stated. That's why I can't understand why ATC is the first thought in some people's minds in cases like these. But I digress.

To add to your AF/OH reference, I believe the FAA unfortunately will share a small portion of the blame in that incident. My understanding is that a ground controller stated during an interview in the investigation that he was unaware a taxiway (Mike, I believe) was a movement area. Smooth. Even though the incident itself was not the fault of those in the ATCT, that unfortunate admission means some blame will likely be attributed to the FAA. However, as I stated above, 99% of the time these collisions are related to anyone except ATC. Plain and simple.

Topic: RE: NBC: SAS, ExpressJet Clip Wingtips @ EWR
Username: AA94
Posted 2013-05-04 07:32:03 and read 2316 times.

Quoting Caspian27 (Reply 17):
Not to sound like a broken record, but are you kidding me? As I argued with the AF/OH incident, this could only be the fault of the crew that hits the other aircraft; in this case the SAS crew. When taxiing aircraft it is your responsibility to see and avoid. How could the Expressjet crew be at fault when they are the ones being hit and the other aircraft that hit them, is behind them? Again, it's not a matter of where anyone stopped or ATC stacking things too tight. Expressjet could've stopped anywhere whether they were told to or not, and it still would be incumbent on SAS to avoid them.

  

It's sort of like getting rear-ended at a red light. It is the offending driver's responsibility to see, avoid, and brake in time so as not to hit you.


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